Are Persians caucasian or european?

[Sahson]

Okay I know this is a controversial question, but let me expand on this, and why I have come to question it. I attend a university which prides itself of having alot of international students. So I have friends well one is a mulatto(fijian/english), and I know some persians(Iranian), afgans, Arabs. Both male and female. One thing I have noticed is the Persians are more caucasoid looking then the others, and some of the females I know look similar to a gracile med. Though one of them I know has an armenian nose.

So anthropologically speaking they seem to be caucasian descent. I can understand this due to the relation with indo-european languages, and thats the other topic I will move onto. The women I know speak Persian, and Dari, which have strong resemblances with european languages, it sounds almost as if it has a musical quality to it.

Ancient Iranian women warriors:-
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/General/Iranian_women_war.JPG

Culture
Back in the days prior to the battle of Salamis, Persia was not that far different from modern societies ideals today, where people were free to express themselves, and slavery was considered wrong, and women were considered equals. Their religion was Zoroastrianism was their religion, this religion dates back to 6th century BCE, and has strong similar ideologies to christianity, where there is one god, a heaven and hell, etc.

However they may not be considered European due to culture differences with say french, germans, poles, scandanavians and so on. However some people here consider Georgians european. Considering Persia use to own part Greece during one stage. However it seems that it has become islamified, but I am told by the women that the islamics are a minority of the country, yet the minority is overpowering the majority of the persians.

The persians I know look alot like this, and they tell me that this is a very common look in Iran.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/06/20/iran.obama/art.white.house.afp.gi.jpg
http://frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/iran.jpgI know someone that's look just like this person with the brown hair.

http://www.whatson.uk.com/home/cswfkcyv/www/content_image/image/image/news%20April%2010/iran%20women.jpg
http://c.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/iran.jpg

All the women I know from this region barring two of them wear the hijab, though the material they wear is light and see-through, and they do not hide all their hair; well barring one who looks more arab. Either way what are your thoughts.

[Cato]

:hungry: Where da Iranian wimminz at?!

(P.S. Not European.)

[Sahson]

:hungry: Where da Iranian wimminz at?!

(P.S. Not European.)

but caucasian no? btw I agree with you they do look very attractive, the almond shape eyes is kind of the foreign attribute I mention, and just the jawline, and what not.

[Cato]

but caucasian no? btw I agree with you they do look very attractive, the almond shape eyes is kind of the foreign attribute I mention, and just the jawline, and what not.

Caucasian, sure, but I just call them Aryans.

[Bloodeagle]

Caucasian, sure, but I just call them Aryans.

Calling a modern day Iranian an Aryan is in my opinion like calling a Mexican American a European American as were the founding fathers of the United States!:D


The origin of the Persian people is traced to the ancient Indo-Iranians, who arrived in parts of Greater Iran circa 2000-1500 BCE. Starting around 550 BCE, from the region of Persis in southern Iran, encompassing the present Fars province, the ancient Persians spread their language and culture to other parts of the Iranian plateau through conquest and assimilated local Iranic and non-Iranic groups over time.

I do believe that the original Persians were Caucasian people but not the least bit European!

[Sahson]

Calling a modern day Iranian an Aryan is in my opinion like calling a Mexican American a European American as were the founding fathers of the United States!:D

I do believe that the original Persians were Caucasian people but not the least bit European!

I always associate aryan as a docilocephalic blonde... the assimilation could help explain why some of them have those foreign un-european eyes I suppose.

[MacedonBG]

Certainly not European, since they don't carry all the rotten goods of the EUROPEAN so-called civilisation.

Otherwise they are white(caucasoid) and aware of it.

[Peasant]

Caucasoid/Europoid yes. Caucasian includes many arab peoples. Although most of us thunk Caucasian = White European. Afghans, Turks, Iraqis and Iranians can be a lot lighter than people imagine.

[Tabiti]

Caucasoid non-Europeans.

[Óttar]

Another one of these "Are Jews Blacks?" "Are Blacks Jews?" "Are Black Jews Turkish Slavs?" threads. :rolleyes:

Persians are Caucasoid, speaking an Indo-European language. In the past there were invasions of Central Asians, Turks, Arabs and other population groups. There is a large amount of Arabic terms in Persian vocabulary. They are obviously not European as Iran is in Asia.

[hajduk]

There are whites in Iran, like 10% :D There are whites in the middle east there always were. That whole region was white at one time

[Cato]

Caucasoid/Europoid yes. Caucasian includes many arab peoples. Although most of us thunk Caucasian = White European. Afghans, Turks, Iraqis and Iranians can be a lot lighter than people imagine.

You've probably never met Farah, the Lebanse girl who thought of herself as being white? She was far smarter and more likeable than many of the chat-poltroons I've seen on TA. :eek:

[Aramis]

Iranian women!

http://www.wfafi.org/khomeini-women.jpg

Iranian women!

http://articleinspector.com/images/persian-women.jpg

And Iranian woman!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/276654360_a1f3f0bb4d.jpg

[Cato]

Iranian women!

http://www.wfafi.org/khomeini-women.jpg

Iranian women!

http://articleinspector.com/images/persian-women.jpg

And Iranian woman!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/276654360_a1f3f0bb4d.jpg

There needs to be a thread of its own for these dark-haired ladies. I've met a few Iranic ladies (online) and never have I been struck with the notion that they're females of an inferior sort like many negresses that I see (in realtime).

[RoyBatty]

Some Iranians look European, some don't, some are very dark.

There are a number of reasons for this. For example, one reason pertains to the darker Iranians in Southern Iran. The reason why is that in bygone times they imported outsiders (who often were darker) to serve as servants / slaves and this was more prevalent in the South.

Are Iranians as a whole "European"? No.

Are they "Caucasoid". Probably, whatever "Caucasoid" may mean because it includes a number of peoples from a fairly diverse region.

Caucasian / Caucasoid is imo not necessarily "white" or "European".

[Cato]

Europid means, to me, from Europe and with ancestors from said continent. I'd find an Iranic lady to be a worthwhile mate, as the result can be someone as seemingly Caucasian as Catherine Bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bell, 1/2 Anglo-Scots, 1/2 Iranian, she's a bit dark, so to speak, but not in terms of her skin). How some of us can claim to be totally European in ancestry, and yet the Iranians an admixture of Iranian with Arabs, Chinese, Jews, or Turks (when the Iranians I've met seem to be more obsessed about good ancestry than we are), is beyond me.

[Eldritch]

http://c.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/iran.jpg


DiabloBlanco test passed with flying colours !!! :thumbs up

[Eldritch]

Caucasian / Caucasoid is imo not necessarily "white" or "European".

Obviously. I mean, Tamils are Caucasoid too, but I doubt anyone would think of them as white.

[Cato]

DiabloBlanco test passed with flying colours !!! :thumbs up

YUM! :hungry:

[Vanilla]

Everybody is spewing shit about Islam, but when the dick stands up, they change their mind and appreciate even women in hijab, right?

[Eldritch]

Everybody is spewing shit about Islam, but when the dick stands up, they change their mind and appreciate even women in hijab, right?

Islam makes dicks stands up.

[Beorn]

Everybody is spewing shit about Islam, but when the dick stands up, they change their mind and appreciate even women in hijab, right?

What about pussies getting wet? We wouldn't want to be sexist.

[Krtkopes]

Ethnically yes they are mainly white but culturally they are thousand miles from us,culturally they are more east.

[The Khagan]

They're definitely not European, but they are strikingly "caucasian."

[Aviane]

I think Persians are Whites/Caucasians even though they are not Europeans but atleast some of them could actually fit in the Caucasus, certain parts of Europe (eg Cyprus/Greece, parts of the Balkans such as some of Bulgaria or Albania) other places like Malta.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Some Iranians look European, some don't, some are very dark.

There are a number of reasons for this. For example, one reason pertains to the darker Iranians in Southern Iran. The reason why is that in bygone times they imported outsiders (who often were darker) to serve as servants / slaves and this was more prevalent in the South.

Are Iranians as a whole "European"? No.

Are they "Caucasoid". Probably, whatever "Caucasoid" may mean because it includes a number of peoples from a fairly diverse region.

Caucasian / Caucasoid is imo not necessarily "white" or "European".

[Ibericus]

They are not european or "white" and their culture is not european

[Curtis24]

But is it really possible to separate Europeans racially from Mideastern peoples? Is there a strong genetic dividing line?

[Ibericus]

But is it really possible to separate Europeans racially from Mideastern peoples? Is there a strong genetic dividing line?
Yes.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/R79MXyHURCI/AAAAAAAAAFg/8MeKImXcV34/s1600/structurescience.jpg


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/Zyklop/46730767.jpg


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6910/plot1hy7.jpg


http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6718/9clustertree.png

[Peasant]

Yes.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/R79MXyHURCI/AAAAAAAAAFg/8MeKImXcV34/s1600/structurescience.jpg




Off topic but it is an interesting chart. Does that mean the Ruskies have significant non-European DNA and Italians are not that 'woggy' as people like to say? :D

[Lithium]

They are caucasian definetely .

[Turkophagos]

For standing on the Persians' grave,
I could not deem myself a slave.


2500 years after the battle of Marathon and the Franks are still wondering if Persians are Asians or Europeans...

[Ibericus]

Off topic but it is an interesting chart. Does that mean the Ruskies have significant non-European DNA and Italians are not that 'woggy' as people like to say? :D
Yes. Genetically there is no such thing as "woggy"

[Stefan]

If we are talking about phenotypical race, there is an overlap with Europeans. If we were to talk about ancestral lineage, and therefore genetic composition, there is a shared component, but a distant one. If we were to speak about ethnicity, which is composed of self-identified values, such as culture and ancestry(including physical race), they do not fit very easily. All Middle Eastern groups share a common history with some or all European ones somewhere down the line, it is just that the other histories and the times of divergence, as well as Europeans being very inter-ethnic, and therefore very close ancestrally and genetically, this makes a very distinguishing difference. Are Persians/Iranians or other Near Easterners any less of the same racial grouping with a European, as many Sub-Saharan Africans would be with each other, if we were to discuss it through a genetic point of view? Of course not. Is there a notable distinction based on ancestral and therefore genetic lineage, yes. Should it be defined as a "racial" distinction, I'm not too sure. This is because there has been , since Mesolithic times, gene-flow between the two regions, and there are shared affinities. Seeing as race is also defined as heritable traits, or phenotype based on ancestry, there also isn't much of a clear defined set of racial traits(those that are exclusive to one group) to separate Europeans and Near Easterners. Basically a few things to think about.

- European =/= Caucasian/Caucasoid/Europid/Europoid

- People show affinities in multiple ways(Ethnicity, Culture, Race, Ancestry, etc) and in multiple dimensions and 'layers' in these individual categories. So it isn't very simple to compare in linear terms.

- Affinity can be brought about in different ways as well, either through a common ancestor, or geneflow between regions after a base divergence has been made. This can be seen by not only Europeans and other Eurasians showing a common history in the Paleolithic and Mesolithic times, but the Neolithic waves from the Near East causing much more similarity afterwards. So this helps give a scope of how similarity can be the effect of multiple dimensions and 'layers'.

I think this post describes it sufficiently. Iranians and Persians, aren't entirely different from Europeans in that they are a different race, and they do show some affinities with Europeans, as well as distinctive ones, but when we get to a finality, being European isn't defined by race exclusively, nor would I describe European as an ethnicity, but a grouping of similar ethnicities based on a similar history that is partially defined by having a similar geopolitical stance(Europe.)

Edit:

- European =/= Caucasian/Caucasoid/Europid/Europoid

By the way, if somebody wants me to clarify why Europid doesn't mean European, it is as simple as these geographical terms being meant to choose a location that shows all of the variety in the definition. Since Europe has the most variety to show, and is a common placed and thought entity(opposed to "Caucus") it is used as the base, although not limited to the base. Europoid just describes those who are predominately Europid, and look Europid, but have "other" ancestry. Literally meaning "European-like".

[Cato]

Yall niggaz check dis out:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png

Word to mutha, looks like da Iranians iz homeys to, uless yall niggaz iz 100% cracka too giben how Europ is gitten niggaed rite now 2.

[Psychonaut]

Great post, Stefan; but, I take issue with this:


European =/= Caucasian/Caucasoid/Europid/Europoid

I'd say the relationship between the terms European (E) and Caucasoid (C) is one of material condition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_implication):

E → C

[San Galgano]

Off topic but it is an interesting chart. Does that mean the Ruskies have significant non-European DNA and Italians are not that 'woggy' as people like to say? :D

What people think of italians is merely a product of Hollywood and the emigrants of Sicilian heritage in Usa, which of course, being predominantly(not the whole (http://images.movieplayer.it/2009/03/26/claudio-gioe-in-una-sequenza-della-serie-tv-squadra-antimafia-palermo-oggi-109757.jpg)) mediterranean in appearence left the stereotypes of the dark italian. Anyway as Iberia pointed out there is not a woggy haplogroup in particular.

In many autosomal test, all the western, central and south europeans show any to very low non-caucasoid admixture. Included italians of course.

[StonyArabia]

Persians are Caucasians, but they are infused by South Asian admixture. The Arab influence is minimal and non-existent. What people believe is Arab admixture is rather Indian admixture, and mostly it's from the maternal side. The Elamites were said to be Dravidian peoples, so when the incoming Aryans invaded the region they took the woman of these people.

[d3cimat3d]

On a MDS plot they cluster with west-Asian people but they have a slight drag towards the Black Sea area, as do Kurds.

[Gaztelu]

They are neither Caucasian nor European. Thousands of years ago, they were genetically indistinguishable from Europeans, although today they are a mongrelized people.

[StonyArabia]

They are neither Caucasian nor European. Thousands of years ago, they were genetically indistinguishable from Europeans, although today they are a mongrelized people.

I don't think that is the case. However they are Caucasians but mixed with South Asian as seen by their genetic test. The inhabitants of Iran before the Aryan conquest seemed to be of Dravidian origins. If you go to Southern Iran, Dravidian admixture becomes very heavy especially in the Sistan and Baluchistan region, usually it's on the maternal line, not so much in Northern Iran. This basically suggests that European like males invaded the area and intermarried with the females.

There South Asian admixture reaches 10% and in some 50%.

[gold_fenix]

Maybe in old time was a 100% caucasian country, as North of Africa and other countries in the Middle East, but now caucasians is limited to some zones or ethnics fault of arab invasion, i suposse that in Iran depends of the zone, as in Afghanistan

[Gaztelu]

However they are Caucasians but mixed with South Asian as seen by their genetic test.

Caucasian? I doubt that the Persians originated from the Caucasus Mountains.

[Peyrol]

The true ethnic persians are only 55-60% of the current iranian population.

The remaining half is made up of azeris, arabs and other completely non-white ethnic groups.

[Dario Argento]

The true ethnic persians are only 55-60% of the current iranian population.

The remaining half is made up of azeris, arabs and other completely non-white ethnic groups.

Azeris in Iran are unindistinguishable from Persians. Azerbaijan's Azeris look a bit more from Caucasus.

[Peyrol]

Azeris in Iran are unindistinguishable from Persians. Azerbaijan's Azeris look a bit more from Caucasus.

Ahmadinejad is from azeri heritage, while the second old man from Teheran is ethnic persian. I think that some differenc between the two groups exists.

http://www.direttanews.it/wp-content/uploads/ahmadinejad_fondo-magazine.jpg

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/iran__blue-eyed_old_iranian.jpg

[Gaztelu]

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/iran__blue-eyed_old_iranian.jpg

I agree. His phenotype resembles that of the original Indo-Europeans that invaded Southern Asia thousands of years ago.

He is the perfect example of a true Aryan.

[Dario Argento]

I agree. His phenotype resembles that of the original Indo-Europeans that invaded Southern Asia thousands of years ago.

He is the perfect example of a true Aryan.

Remove the blue eyes and I'm sure he'd be a random moro Ahmad for you.

By the way, that man isn't Persian but Pashtun. And Ahmadinejad is of Armenian heritage, not Azeri.

[d3cimat3d]

I agree. His phenotype resembles that of the original Indo-Europeans that invaded Southern Asia thousands of years ago.

He is the perfect example of a true Aryan.

He's no true Aryan. He was just lucky enough to inherit blue eyes on his rather non-Aryan frame, that's all.

[Hess]

while they are a minority, there are still a few Persians who are Europeans- just like some people from the Caucasus.

[Peyrol]

Remove the blue eyes and I'm sure he'd be a random moro Ahmad for you.

He isn't.
He had a light skin, too light for a morisco.

[Hess]

I also don't understand why some people on here are so obsessed with this "Aryan" garbage. If I wanted to hear such nonsense I would go to Stormfront :thumbs up

[Ibericus]

while they are a minority, there are still a few Persians who are Europeans- just like some people from the Caucasus.
Persians have never been nor are european. Among other reasons because Persia is not even in Europe, and genetically they are not remotely european.

[Peyrol]

I also don't understand why some people on here are so obsessed with this "Aryan" garbage. If I wanted to hear such nonsense I would go to Stormfront :thumbs up

I just posted two pictures, I have certainly not talked about "Aryans".
...Then, the fatc that someone wants to deny that the persian is Indo-European ethnic group, is another matter. :laugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_people

[d3cimat3d]

If I wanted to hear such nonsense I would go to Stormfront :thumbs up

Blame the Nazi's for spoiling the good name of the Aryans. Otherwise it would be perfectly normal to discuss them.



...Then, the fatc that someone wants to deny that the persian is Indo-European ethnic group, is another matter. :laugh:


Gypsy is also a "Indo-European ethnic group."

[Hess]

I just posted two pictures, I have certainly not talked about "Aryans".
...Then, the fatc that someone wants to deny that the persian is Indo-European ethnic group, is another matter.

I wasn't accusing you, I was just pointing that this Aryan stuff is all just pseudoscience.

The "Aryans" don't exist anymore-You are either a European or not a European. The term "Aryan" is empty and completely meaningless.

[d3cimat3d]

The "Aryans" don't exist anymore

:rolleyes2: Yeah, all this coming from a Russian, a people responsible for whiping out Indo-Iranian languages from the Pontic steppe.

[Peyrol]

Blame the Nazi's for spoiling the good name of the Aryans. Otherwise it would be perfectly normal to discuss them.



Gypsy is also a "Indo-European ethnic group."

Indeed.
What are you trying to tell me?
If some iranians looks europoids, isn't my responsability, of course :laugh::laugh:


I wasn't accusing you, I was just pointing that this Aryan stuff is all just pseudoscience.

The "Aryans" don't exist anymore-You are either a European or not a European. The term "Aryan" is empty and completely meaningless.

I agree.

The term "aryan" is only a linguistic term, not racial.

[Hess]

:rolleyes2: Yeah, all this coming from a Russian, a people responsible for whiping out Indo-Iranian languages from the Pontic steppe.

:rolleyes2: I'm not a Russian by blood, only by birthplace and culture

and perhaps I'm just ignorant, but even if I was a Russian I still don't think I would care about that.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Persians have never been European because Persia is outside Europe. That should be obvious to anyone with a half-functioning brain.

In addition, a lot of Arabic architecture is derived from Persian architecture. That should give you an idea how foreign they are to Europe.

[StonyArabia]

The ancestors of the Persians originated in the Caucasus. They are basically the same as Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, but they have more South Asian influence. They drag to India.

Caucasian yes
European No for obvious reasons

[Austrvegr]

:rolleyes2: Yeah, all this coming from a Russian, a people responsible for whiping out Indo-Iranian languages from the Pontic steppe.

LOL. Indo-Iranian languages were wiped out of the Pontic steppe by Turco-Mongols.

[billErobreren]

They are neither Caucasian nor European. Thousands of years ago, they were genetically indistinguishable from Europeans, although today they are a mongrelized people.

Agreed.

[poiuytrewq0987]

LOL. Indo-Iranian languages were wiped out of the Pontic steppe by Turco-Mongols.

Well, the Sassanid Empire which I consider to be the last true Persian state was wiped out by jihadists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia) from Arabia. Iran/Persia today is nothing but a shadow of its former self.

[Dario Argento]

Well, the Sassanid Empire which I consider to be the last true Persian state was wiped out by jihadists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia) from Arabia. Iran/Persia today is nothing but a shadow of its former self.

Ancient Pontic Steppe and Central Asia was Iranian territory. Scythians, Massagettes, Sarmatians inhabitated such places.

Sassanid Empire already belongs to the modern Iranians.

[Eroica]

They are morphologically more distinctively caucasoid than Europeans, on average.

[eviline]

The ancestors of the Persians originated in the Caucasus. They are basically the same as Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, but they have more South Asian influence. They drag to India.

Caucasian yes
European No for obvious reasons

armenians ,georgians and azeris are not in same category
this groups are different georgians and dagis are same category but not georgians and armenians and stop this stupidity please we are only neighbours georgians have nothing common with armenians and azeris

[Demhat]

armenians ,georgians and azeris are not in same category
this groups are different georgians and dagis are same category but not georgians and armenians and stop this stupidity please we are only neighbours georgians have nothing common with armenians and azeris

Let me explain the difference between Iranians, Azeris, Armenians and Georgians

Georgians are one of the most and purest Caucasian ethnicities, so they belong predominantly to the so called <Caucasus> component with strong <Gedrosia> input.
<Caucasus> is a Northwest and <Gedrosia> southeast Caucasian/Northwest Iranian component. Armenians are like Georgians with <Southwest Asian> and <Mediterranean> admixture.
Azeris are East Caucasian and have more <Gedrosia> and <North European> but less <Atlantic Med> than Armenians. Iranians are the same as Azeris just a bit more Southeastern.
They have 3% more <South Asian> and 2% Southwest Asian, 8% less <Caucasus> and <North European>. Them being the basic differences.

[eviline]

Armenians are like Georgians with <Southwest Asian> and <Mediterranean> admixture

what? armenians and georgians are totally different

[Padre Organtino]

Armenians are like Georgians with <Southwest Asian> and <Mediterranean> admixture

what? armenians and georgians are totally different

He was trying to explain that Armenians are like Georgians but with additional inouts that drag them closer to Middle Easte genetically.

[eviline]

armenians are like georgians? :OOOOOOOOits most funny things that i have ever heard armenians are like maybe greeks not georgians i never met armenian who looks like georgian but i met in georgia many people who looks like armenian because in georgia are many armenians

[Padre Organtino]

armenians are like georgians? :OOOOOOOOits most funny things that i have ever heard armenians are like maybe greeks not georgians i never met armenian who looks like georgian but i met in georgia many people who looks like armenian because in georgia are many armenians

They look different becaus of additional genetic components but they are still close genetically. French and English people don't really look very much alike but they are still close genetically.

[eviline]

ok understand but armenians and azeris not linguisticly not culturaly are not close to georgians we (georgians) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOxVy-ntWZo&feature=related
our people vainaxs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF5YNrOY7ws&feature=related
i dont feel close with armenians or azeris

[Ianus]

They are Caucasoid but non European

[Harkonnen]

Possibly European. Have to investigate.

[Root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12U3CtubMoo

[Porn Master]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12U3CtubMoo




damn these hot chicks, some look sexy and some look ugly AF.

@Pahli
@zarzian

[Smeagol]

Non-European Caucasoids.

[Zroota]

Caucasian, but of course not European (since when is Iran in Europe?). Though a few Iranians may look Central and Southern Asian.

You now what? If the Middle East were predominantly Christian, they would've made it part of the EU. Heck, Iran could've been part of "greater Europe".

[Corporate_Demolisher]

The true ethnic persians are only 55-60% of the current iranian population.

The remaining half is made up of azeris, arabs and other completely non-white ethnic groups.

Many "Arabs" aren't even ethnic Arabs but are white in appearance. Look at Syrians who just got Arabized, other than that they are white people

[Amador]

Many "Arabs" aren't even ethnic Arabs but are white in appearance. Look at Syrians who just got Arabized, other than that they are white people

There is no such thing as the white race. It is a bullshit construct created to divide people and playing into it is the whitest thing you can do TBH.

[ManVsBear]

i've never heard anyone argue that Iran is in Europe. I've also never heard anyone argue that Iranians are not caucasians, assuming the Caucasian race exists.

[Chocolate_Hound]

Average Persian definitely doesn't look white. Turks and Levantines are the whitest MENA's.

[Urbanuss]

Non-white caucasoid!

Therefore they aren´t european, its obvious.

[Rædwald]

Non-European Caucasoid