I discover that my grandmother actual surname was originally “Turbuly”, what does it mean that word? It’s a name? A nickname? A type of work? A location?
If can help there is an other form “Turbucz”, maybe have the same origin.
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I discover that my grandmother actual surname was originally “Turbuly”, what does it mean that word? It’s a name? A nickname? A type of work? A location?
If can help there is an other form “Turbucz”, maybe have the same origin.
Both names are used in Hungary, although they are rather uncommon. Turbucz is more common than Turbuly. I recommend trying forebears, I think it's accurate more or less.
I've found information about Turbucz.About the etymology, it might be connected to this village:Quote:
"In 1781, László Turbutz took an oath in Central Szolnok county (now Salaj county). In 1797, Ferencz Turbucz and István Turbutz were taxing nobles living on their own land in Ákos (Satu Mare). In 1805, Ferencz Turbutz, István and János, noble taxpayers of Ákos, were infantrymen; they also took an oath of allegiance. At the same time, András Turbutz, a nobleman from Hatvan (possibly Érhatvan, Satu Mare), took an oath of allegiance".
https://www.arcanum.com/hu/online-ki.../turbucz-BF7F/
The name of the village is possibly of Romanian origin, with a Slavic suffix:Quote:
"The name Turbóca is first mentioned in a charter in 1387 as Turbicza. The settlement was recorded as Turbucza in 1390, Turbolcha in 1401, and Turbotza in 1564. It was written in 1387 as an Oláh village. At that time it belonged to the castle of Aranyos, but in 1390 it was mentioned in the sources as a settlement belonging to Kővár and in 1564 to the castle of Hadadi".
https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turb%C3%B3ca
About Turbulya surname:Quote:
In the Oláh language turb = to go crazy, get angry; turbat = angry; torburat = turbid; uţ, uţă Romanian diminutiv training. It can mean a turbid, muddy river or a village with a troubled, restless nature. Rather, the former gives an explanation of the name. There is such a surname.https://www.arcanum.com/hu/online-ki...VHVyYnVjemEifQ
In conclusion, both families were of noble origin and seem to hail from Transylvania, Satu Mare and Salaj counties. I think the names come from the same root, there's not much difference between them. It's likely that they were originally of Romanian backround, but acquired noble status so they started using Hungarian names.Quote:
"János Turbuja, a taxpayer living on someone elses property in Peér (Szilágyipér, Salaj), János Turbura, a taxpayer living on his own land in Érhatvan (Salaj), both nobles were included in the 1797 census. In 1805, András Turbuly (33 years old), a tax-paying nobleman from Peér, and András Turbulja (20 years old) and Sándor (30 years old), a tax-paying nobleman from Hatvan, are listed in the census."
https://www.arcanum.com/hu/online-ki...turbulya-BF81/
What is interesting is that there's barely any Turbuly/Turbucz surnamed person left in Transylvania. Turbucz is numerous and widespread in Hungary proper. Maybe they migrated there. Anyway this got a bit long, but I hope it helps. :)
Thank you so much! very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kökény
No problem. Is this the surname of your Csángó grandmother?Quote:
Originally Posted by andre
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kökény