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    I don't just mean the people I see walking...

    I don't just mean the people I see walking around, but also the huge increase in ethnic minorities and immigrants working in shops and especially restaurants here compared to even a few years ago. ...
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    While needless to say I am certainly less...

    While needless to say I am certainly less anti-immigration or conspiracy-minded than many if not most other forum members, all the same I don't treat government stats with the same unquestioning...
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    Forgive me for my ignorance, but much of the time...

    Forgive me for my ignorance, but much of the time I actually cannot (easily) tell apart Balkanites and the not-so-swarthy Kavkazians. I'd certainly find it harder to tell apart a Bulgarian and an...
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    Actually, the European and Islamic empires were...

    Actually, the European and Islamic empires were driven largely by the same things: partly a desire for more land and resources, and partly by messianic religion. (Only that, while the Islamic world...
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    Not a great deal, but my point is that it is...

    Not a great deal, but my point is that it is hypocrisy on steroids to blame all of the Balkans' problems on either the Ottomans or the Soviets, yet people like to deflect when the iniquities and...
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    Kolkata was the most extreme and drastic example,...

    Kolkata was the most extreme and drastic example, but this forced deindustrialisation was something repeated by the British throughout India. The main point is that the notion that the world was all...
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    Even in Apartheid South Africa (though...

    Even in Apartheid South Africa (though interestingly not Jim Crow US), East Asians were classified "honorary Whites".
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    (1) Using that same line of thought, what were...

    (1) Using that same line of thought, what were Romanians and South Slavs doing before the Ottomans? Most European inventions, which doubtless you like to piggy back on, were WESTERN European...
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    Not as small as that, but certainly the Moorish...

    Not as small as that, but certainly the Moorish settlement in Spain was not that enormous either. (Ironically, this is an argument that Spanish nationalists usually do like to emphasise, precisely...
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    I certainly don't think that colonialism is the...

    I certainly don't think that colonialism is the be all and end all explanation. However, it is rather convenient and hypocritical to blame all of Romania's pre-Communist problems on the Ottomans,...
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    Most non-Muslim groups nowadays have a majority...

    Most non-Muslim groups nowadays have a majority of women of working age (16-74) in the workplace. In fact, IIRC more Black Caribbean women than men work, and the employment rates for Indian, Chinese...
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    Not the whole explanation either, though...

    Not the whole explanation either, though certainly an important one. As has been discussed before, China was pretty poor long before Mao came along, DPRK until the 1980's was actually wealthier than...
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    But regarding what I call the 'European-MENA'...

    But regarding what I call the 'European-MENA' transitional groups, apart from some Mongoloid admixture in Turks, what other non-Caucasoid admixture is there? Certainly, most Cypriots just look like...
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    Shouldn't China be much wealthier than it is...

    Shouldn't China be much wealthier than it is based on IQ? (Yes I know it is improving rapidly, but still many of its Western regions in particular are still prety impoverished). And what about DPRK?
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    Far far less. When it comes to certain...

    Far far less.



    When it comes to certain professions and businesses, yes.
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    A big percentage is due to Muslim women being...

    A big percentage is due to Muslim women being housewives, like I just explained. And people not working aren't just the unemployed and welfare cheats, but also retired people, students, the sick and...
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    Like we discussed with Scarface F in another...

    Like we discussed with Scarface F in another thread, my mother and quite a few other middle-class Latin American women of her generation in particular, even if they may believe in pan-Latin American...
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    N.B. A major factor behind Muslim economic...

    N.B. A major factor behind Muslim economic inactivity is not either 'Islamophobia' or laziness, but the very high percentage of women looking after home or family.
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    That figure is certainly an exaggeration. But...

    That figure is certainly an exaggeration. But yes, I don't think Islam is compatible with a truly liberal democratic society (it may be compatible with prosperity, as proven by some Arabian and SE...
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    Well precisely. There are lots of factors...

    Well precisely. There are lots of factors besides average IQ rates that determine a society's prosperity and success.



    We can all surely agree that East Asians and Black Africans are different...
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    One of my best friends is a British-Indian, who...

    One of my best friends is a British-Indian, who is pretty left-wing on most issues (including asylum and immigration). Nevertheless, he has explicitly said to me that he does not want to live in a...
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    Point taken, but still too much determinism in...

    Point taken, but still too much determinism in this argument. Several countries in Europe, the Middle East and Asia used to be deeply impoverished - Ireland, Norway, the Gulf Arab countries,...
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    Plus also the rather salient and obvious fact...

    Plus also the rather salient and obvious fact that individual variation is ultimately larger than group variation.



    Which precisely shows that such racial determinism when trying to describe...
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    Caused in large measure by the clannish set-up of...

    Caused in large measure by the clannish set-up of their own society.
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    I've said myself that AI, FR, the creeping...

    I've said myself that AI, FR, the creeping abolition of cash etc. are beyond what Orwell and Huxley envisaged. I don't believe in ever-more technology and surveillance in the name of 'comfort',...
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