Are Croatians Slavic or Germanic?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I mean adopting Germanic culture and possibly language in the next 500 years like Slavs did in eastern Germany and eastern Austria . Eastern Austrians are not that different from Slovenes and Croats.

Well within the next 500 years we'll all have adopted the Germanic culture and language. They'll win this time.

[Rugevit]

Well within the next 500 years we'll all have adopted the Germanic culture and language. They'll win this time.

I don't think so. The world will end sooner than Poles and eastern Slavs will switch to Germanic culture and language.

[Jana]

I added all these figures. Plus the other from Croatian averagse which are mostly noise in tenth or hundredth of a percent. You are similar to Hungarian population : http://postimg.org/image/avbpfslff/full/

Cool plot, thanks a lot Simargl!

PS Croats resisted Germanization in the past. Remeber that And East Austria is inhabited with Burgerland Croats for centuries so mixing happened. Plus they have ancient Slavic blood from before, so it's normal genetic gap is not big.

[Rugevit]

Cool plot, thanks a lot Smiragl!

PS Croats resisted Germanization in the past. Remeber that And East Austria is inhabited with Burgerland Croats for centuries so mixing happened. Plus they have ancient Slavic blood from before, so it's normal genetic gap is not big.

I know Slovenes resisted. I know Lusatian Sorbs and Czechs resisted. But I don't know anything about Croats' resistance, except for their fetish towards everything Germanic which is often mentioned by people.

[Jana]

I know Slovenes resisted. I know Lusatian Sorbs and Czechs resisted. But I don't know anything about Croats' resistance, except for their fetish towards everything Germanic which is often mentioned by people.

There was non-violent Germanization (togheder with Magyarization) during Austro-Hungary era, and that was cause for Croatian National Revival, aka Illyrian movement. It doesn't mean we don't like Germans, they have been big support for indipendent Croatia and Croats in Germany/Austria have fantastic status. So Croatian people have very good opinion about them and respect their culture. But we would never want to be Germans. Croats are proud people

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

There was non-violent Germanization (togheder with Magyarization) during Austro-Hungary era, and that was cause for Croatian National Revival, aka Illyrian movement. It doesn't mean we don't like Germans, they have been big support for indipendent Croatia and Croats in Germany/Austria have fantastic status. So Croatian people have very good opinion about them and respect their culture. But we would never want to be Germans. Croats are proud people

That's good you should never want to be something you are not. I am glad Germans have good image in Croatia, though.

[Rugevit]

There was non-violent Germanization (togheder with Magyarization) during Austro-Hungary era, and that was cause for Croatian National Revival, aka Illyrian movement. It doesn't mean we don't like Germans, they have been big support for indipendent Croatia and Croats in Germany/Austria have fantastic status. So Croatian people have very good opinion about them and respect their culture. But we would never want to be Germans. Croats are proud people

White Croats were a known and prominent union of Slavic tribes, who settled the lands of western Ukraine, southern Poland and Czech Republic between 6AD-9AD. They were probably a proud group of Slavs who colonised some territories further west (Czech Republic) and then southern territories in what is modern Croatia today. Look at modern people who are bearing similar ethnonym. They have fetish for German culture. There was an Illyrian movement. They were eastern Goths during WWII. There're Illyrian theories of ethnogenesis of Croats in present time. Stfu.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

White Croats were a known and prominent union of Slavic tribes, who settled the lands of western Ukraine, southern Poland and Czech Republic between 6AD-9AD. They were probably a proud group of Slavs who colonised some territories further west (Czech Republic) and then southern territories in what is modern Croatia today. Look at modern people who are bearing similar ethnonym. They have fetish for German culture. There was an Illyrian movement. They were eastern Goths during WWII. There're Illyrian theories of ethnogenesis of Croats in present time. Stfu.

They have a fetish for German culture but it doesn't mean they aren't happy as Slavs.

[Rugevit]

They have a fetish for German culture but it doesn't mean they aren't happy as Slavs.

If you like something, then you take it or learn from others. Such fetishes usually come from inferiority complexes given their history of having Illyrian movement or being eastern Goths during WWII to please the Germans. I think it's similar to the one Estonians have towards Nordic culture.

[Jana]

White Croats were a known and prominent union of Slavic tribes, who settled the lands of western Ukraine, southern Poland and Czech Republic between 6AD-9AD. They were probably a proud group of Slavs who colonised some territories further west (Czech Republic) and then southern territories in what is modern Croatia today. Look at modern people who are bearing similar ethnonym. They have fetish for German culture. There was an Illyrian movement. They were eastern Goths during WWII. There're Illyrian theories of ethnogenesis of Croats in present time. Stfu.

Look, this Gothic thing is ridiculous and it was political, not scientific (which you probably know!) And Illyrian movement was actually Pan-South Slavic, it was before genetics era when people belived our primarly origin was Illyrian. Read this:

...the Croat nobility was impoverished, often culturally assimilated, and too weak to withstand the Habsburg centralization and Germanization that began in the 18th century under the Austrian archduchess and Holy Roman empress Maria Theresa and continued under her son, the Holy Roman emperor Joseph II. As the best defense of their rights and privileges, the Croats turned to cooperation with the Hungarians, but this choice would later expose them to the rising force of Hungarian nationalism. When Hungarian, rather than Latin, was imposed as the official language in Hungary and Croatia, Croatian resistance took shape in the Illyrian movement of the 1830s and ’40s. The Illyrianists—primarily intellectuals, professionals, clergymen, and gentry led by the linguistic reformer Ljudevit Gaj—strove to defend Croatian interests by calling for the unification of all the South Slavs, to be facilitated through the adoption of a single literary language. Though the Illyrianists failed to win over the other South Slavs, they did succeed in integrating the linguistically and administratively divided Croats within one national movement.
Threatened by Hungarian nationalism in the Revolution of 1848 and hoping for national unification and autonomy within the Austrian Empire, the Croats, under Ban Josip Jelačić, an Illyrianist, sided with the Austrian dynasty against the Hungarians. Yet, instead of a reward, the Croats received the same central control and Germanization that were dealt out to the Hungarians as punishment. Reaction against these disappointments encouraged the development of the Party of Right, led by Ante Starčević, which emphasized the idea of Croatian “state rights” and aspired to the creation of an independent Great Croatia. The necessity of relying on the other South Slavs in opposition to the Habsburgs and Hungarians also kept alive the Illyrian idea, revived in the 1860s under the name Yugoslavism. The Yugoslavists, under the patronage of Bishop Josip Juraj Štrossmajer (Joseph George Strossmayer), advocated South Slav unity within a federated Habsburg state as the basis for an independent Balkan state. Croatian separatism and South Slav cooperation (Yugoslavism) thus became the two alternatives that would shape much of Croatian political thought in the future.

Bu Yugoslavism miserably failed, although it was Croatian idea (Davai won't agree ). Why wouldn't Croats like German/Austrian culture when it is close to ours?? Dalmatians like Italian and other mediterranean cultures anyway, they don't really care for MittelEuropa. South Germans/Austrians are also Catholic, which was big deal back than. I really don't understand how people belive bull'''t that Croats lick German asses. IT IS NOT TRUE. Just read the text from encyclopedia, it's enough of proof.