Neo-Danubian, Ladogan, etc.

[Hayalet]

Pretty much the same thing in different terminologies. The difference, if there is any, is that Neo-Danubian is supposed to be a blend of different types while Baltid is a type of its own.

[Incel King]

so Neo-Danubian≈Baltid?

[sevruk]

neo-danubian nonexistent phenotype

[Incel King]

neo-danubian nonexistent phenotype

1.) Neo-Danubian type (eastern periphery blend of original Danubian and Kurgan proto-Nordics with Ladogan, with the Nordic element dominant; majority element in Poland and
Belorussia, primary element in Hungary, west Ukraine and northwest Russia, important in Finland and the Baltic States)

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[sevruk]

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one of the many misconceptions Carlton Coon's. How could he know about the population of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus if he's never been there? He reminds me of anthropologists from the Third Reich.

[CelticViking]

Etymology:
The term Neo-Danubian is derived from Danubian ("of the River Danube"), a cultural designation associated with the proto-Nordics of the Neolithic, who brought Indo-European language (Slavic and Baltic) to the eastern steppes.




Other names:

- Oriental (Deniker)
- Osteuropid (von Eickstedt; includes the East Baltic type)
- Pre-Slavic (Czekanowski)
- Slavic (popular anthropology)
- Subnordic (Deniker; includes the East Baltic type)


Origin:

Danubian proto-Nordic altered by the semi-mongolid Ladogan racial type of the northeastern forests. This type was brought westward from the Volga country with the migrations of the Baltic Finns during the centuries immediately preceding and after the time of Christ. Today it presents a variable but easily recognizable phenotype of eastern Europe.


Description:

Neo-Danubians are very round-skulled, and their cephalic indices frequently exceed 85. The head form is globular, and the forehead is steep and not seldom protuberant. The face is square to oval in shape, and the combination of a round face and a plump cheek is common. There is often a slight flatness to the Neo-Danubian face.

The nose is moderately leptorrhine, straight to concave in profile, and often snub-tipped in a Ladogan fashion. The nasal skeleton is rather low, with a broad tip.

The upper lip is long and convex, and the cheek furrows are as a rule strong.

Median eyefolds are indicative of a low orbit a heavy deposit of fat in the upper lid. Another fatty deposit - on the malars - seems to be a secondary sex character, as it is most common among women. The malars are only moderately projecting, especially when compared to those of East Baltics and Ladogans.

Neo-Danubian pigmentation is more blond than brunet, and the pigment character is prevailingly light-mixed. The combination of ash-blond hair with gray-mixed eyes seems to be a specialization shared with East Baltics and partially blond Ladogans, but the most common combination is golden blond hair and blue eyes.

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http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-neo.htm

[Ugo Tognazzi]

While Coon's NEO DANUBIAN, somehow fits an (east) Alpinoid/Baltoid type,
and LADOGAN can be exchanged for a (east) Cro Magnid/(east) Baltid/Lapponoid type

the problem is mainly the DANUBIAN as a gracile Nordoid type. which combined with Nordid created the Hallstatt/Iron Age type. This ''recipe'' is difficult to understand and
LBK/Danubian skulls (observed by user Agrippa, here and on other fora) were rather primitive Nordid/Cromagnid overall

[Saruman]

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one of the many misconceptions Carlton Coon's. How could he know about the population of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus if he's never been there? He reminds me of anthropologists from the Third Reich.

That's not Coon. But McCulloch derived from Coon with his "Nordish" concept that is overly pro-NW Euro and anti-Slavic. Most of his numbers and percentages are laughable to say the least. The only people I can imagine using those numbers are "dumb Americans".

Wales = 100% Nordish (35% central and 65% periphery types)

Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine = 53% Nordish (8% central and 45% periphery types)

[Lisa]

In the region of Lake Ladoga live more North European (Nordic) people than in Britain or Germany.

[druzynnik]

This 'neo-danubian' thing always gave me a pseudo-science vibe. Like it was created to support misconceptions of Eastern and Northeast Europe at any cost. I believe it's pretty outdated and rests on faulty foundations, since the "Ladogan" is not a major component in any of the countries' populations it's allegedly used to describe, besides say, Saami.

"Ladogan" seems to be conflated with "Baltid" in general. Lots of confusion and murkiness.