Classify Kazan-Tatar man

[greasycaveman]

You guys are only saying Turanid because you know he is Tatar and know little about Tatars. They both just look European.

are you blind? i have more european ancestors then tatars, and i am still pontid + turanid

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes. Common R1a ancestors, but it's well-known.

But i am not sure what Longobarda mean with "Scythian -> Sarmatian -> Slavic." ?!

How can Scytho-Turkic R1a be considered as a connection between Slavs and Indo-Iranians

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They participated in Slavs anyway as in slavic lingo are some borrowings, even heavy.
Remember, that Serbs, Croats and probably Ants were sarmatian. And later even in the
very slavic era, Russians did assimilate many post-iranian remains in the forrest and steppe
zone - so similarly could be earlier. For example there are traces of Scythians in present day
Poland, so it could be also elsewhere as well. And there are ties between post-alanian remains
on Caucasus and M458 which is present in all slavic world (vide mine theory).

They participated, indeed, but loanwords of Iranic origin didn't heavy influenced the modern day Slavic. Still this idea is alive that: Balts + Sarmatians = Slavs. But it's more complicated that it seems on the first look.

One is surely truth; that Balto-Slavic Z280 is non-foundable among excavated Scythians and Sarmatians as well.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How can Scytho-Turkic R1a be considered as a connection between Slavs and Indo-Iranians

Rethel posted above how.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How can Scytho-Turkic R1a be considered as a connection between Slavs and Indo-Iranians

Yes, we have basical problem since you think that Scythians were at all Turkic people

[Ülev]

Turan strong in this thread I see

[Sacrificed Ram]

East-Nordid with some pamirid with almost lack of mongol features.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

And there are ties between post-alanian remains
on Caucasus and M458 which is present in all slavic world (vide mine theory).

And... yes.., I read on the some Serbian forum yesterday that the archeological data from the Sarmatians and Alans from the 1st century (our era) was given to test and they were exclusively R1a-Z94, one special subclade of J1 and G2a2. So this M458 on the Caucasus mostly probably should be the result of the settlement of the East Slavs on this territory, nothing about Sarmatians there. So, there are no indeed, relations between Sarmatian genetics even with their geographicly closer Z280, and especially with M458.

[Rethel]

And... yes.., I read on the some Serbian forum yesterday that the archeological data from the Sarmatians and Alans from the 1st century (our era) was given to test and they were exclusively R1a-Z94, one special subclade of J1 and G2a2. So this M458 on the Caucasus mostly probably should be the result of the settlement of the East Slavs on this territory, nothing about Sarmatians there. So, there are no indeed, relations between Sarmatian genetics even with their geographicly closer Z280, and especially with M458.

No ancient M458 was found yet, so making a conclusion as such
is too early and sensless, especially, that they were not exclusivly
Z94, J and G. More than that, at the time of sarmatian expantion
M458 couted couple of families spreaded across Europe.

[Pizdastratos]

You guys are only saying Turanid because you know he is Tatar and know little about Tatars. They both just look European.

Indubitably