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    Target: ivorixG25
    Distance: 1.4981% / 0.01498149
    32.8 Bell_Beaker
    21.6 Iberian_Chr/Globular_Amphora
    20.2 Corded_Ware
    11.2 Anatolian_BA
    8.8 Italian_N/Chr
    5.4 Iberomaurusian

    at least i have good distance
    50.6 Anatolian_&_Balkan_Farmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Yes, but I am just saying that it´s not easy to discriminate every component due to that overlapping. Maybe using a great average single reference of each one would work better, but maybe you should recommend some type of penalization to minimize that effect using so many references. (0.5X).
    I thought on doing this, but I wanted to make better distances. It worked well with the testings I did, in modern populations.


    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    It´s a joke???

    It´s Chalcolithic (Calcós=Copper)
    It's not a joke, for some reason I saw Chalcolithic and processed Charcolithic in my brain, because of the word Charcoal I'm going to edit the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgab602 View Post
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    Seriously. Globular Amphora (culture?) in Iberian Peninsula?...Chr...?I don´t understand what that means. Where did you get these references from and what study do they belong to?

    Don't get me wrong, BB/CW/Globular Amphora on the same model sounds like a great idea, but I just don't know what those samples are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vikiingMallorcaSpain View Post
    Target: ivorixG25
    Distance: 1.4981% / 0.01498149
    32.8 Bell_Beaker
    21.6 Iberian_Chr/Globular_Amphora
    20.2 Corded_Ware
    11.2 Anatolian_BA
    8.8 Italian_N/Chr
    5.4 Iberomaurusian

    at least i have good distance
    The Anatolian_BA component is not only representing Anatolia, but also all the Eastern Mediterranean influence in Europe, and the Aegean Islanders, too

    Target: Greek_Crete
    Distance: 0.2592% / 0.00259219

    43.8 Anatolian_BA
    24.8 Minoan
    24.2 Corded_Ware
    5.6 Italian_N/Chr
    1.0 Bell_Beaker
    0.6 Iberomaurusian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgab602 View Post
    The Anatolian_BA component is not only representing Anatonia, but also all the Eastern Mediterranean influence in Europe, and the Aegean Islanders, too

    Target: Greek_Crete
    Distance: 0.2592% / 0.00259219

    43.8 Anatolian_BA
    24.8 Minoan
    24.2 Corded_Ware
    5.6 Italian_N/Chr
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    0.6 Iberomaurusian
    And the Iran Chalcolithic what would represent bruh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Seriously. Globular Amphora (culture?) in Iberian Peninsula?...Chr...?I don´t understand what that means. Where did you get these references from and what study do they belong to?

    Don't get me wrong, BB/CW/Globular Amphora on the same model sounds like a great idea, but I just don't know what those samples are.
    I've already adressed Chr here, but It's very simple, Iberian Chalcolithic is very similar to Globular Amphora, so I put them all together in one label, it's not that there is an Iberian Globular Amphora. I just used the Eupedia Samples.
    The results seem accurate, so far, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloGuys View Post
    And the Iran Chalcolithic what would represent bruh?
    Extra Iranian/Caucasian-related or South Asian admixture in Europe, ex: Roma people usually get ~20% Iran Chl, that's why I have the ASI there as well. It also could represent some other Iranian-related admix, Like Alans, etc, although what you quoted, doesn't seem to have Iran Chalcolithic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jgab602 View Post
    I've already adressed Chr here, but It's very simple Iberian Chalcolithic is very similar to Gobular Amphora, so I put them all together in one label, it's not that there is an Iberian Globular Amphora. I just used the Eupedia Samples.
    The results seem accurate, so far, IMO.
    Ah, ok.

    Anyway, usually samples from Chalcolithic use to be labelled as just "C".

    I would have understood that "Ch" would have been Chalcolithic, but that "r" added making "Chr" it´s strange because usually "Chr" it´s an abbreviation for "chromosome"and with "Iberian Globular Amphora" all for me was a nonsense.

    I'm sorry for being off topic, but I didn't understand what the labels of those samples alluded to.


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    Target: sim_scaled
    Distance: 4.2418% / 0.04241828
    27.4 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_Baltic:Spiginas2
    22.6 Ancestral_South_Indian
    19.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I11600
    9.6 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_POL:N45
    8.8 Northwestern_Russia_BA:Bolshoy_Ostrov:BOO005
    6.6 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt_oY20:MEV010
    3.4 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX196
    2.4 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I6776

    Distance to: sim_scaled
    0.13983873 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09569
    0.14514688 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main:I5836
    0.14559182 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX191
    0.14636639 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I2445
    0.14835229 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I6778
    0.14862356 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX198
    0.14904243 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09613_d
    0.14906376 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX189
    0.14969776 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I3256
    0.15055575 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5834
    0.15079822 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3601
    0.15095168 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_Balticlinkaigalis241
    0.15115122 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I6777
    0.15131978 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I6776
    0.15151805 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX192
    0.15156210 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5833
    0.15189757 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA:I1382
    0.15198541 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I2418
    0.15226422 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX195
    0.15239483 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I2443
    0.15276131 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POL:I6580
    0.15279679 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6590
    0.15294172 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_NLD:I5750
    0.15297969 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5658
    0.15298099 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX188


    Target: MLZ003-K13-sim_scaled
    Distance: 1.0596% / 0.01059577
    15.4 Ancestral_South_Indian
    13.4 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I5428
    11.4 Italian_N/Chl:ITA_Broion_CA:BRC022
    9.4 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_DEU:I0106
    8.4 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I11599
    6.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2403
    5.2 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_CHE:MX197
    5.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I11614
    4.8 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I3528
    4.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2441
    3.8 Northwestern_Russia_BA:Bolshoy_Ostrov:BOO004
    2.6 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I11605
    2.4 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_Baltic:Kunila2
    2.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2433
    2.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_SE_ CA:CDM001
    1.6 Iranian_Chl:IRNI1661
    1.4 Northwestern_Russia_BA:Bolshoy_Ostrov:BOO005
    0.6 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09613_d
    0.2 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POL:I6582

    Distance to: MLZ003-K13-sim_scaled
    0.08957224 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POL:I6582
    0.09170163 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3588
    0.09420990 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6591
    0.09552190 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5520
    0.09721543 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6590
    0.09929647 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6624
    0.10078201 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5529
    0.10108014 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5834
    0.10137947 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09569
    0.10390387 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5833
    0.10789524 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POLcw260
    0.10821012 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POL:I4253
    0.10864712 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I2365
    0.10876077 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3600
    0.10932919 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I3529
    0.11107718 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5525
    0.11155631 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I2445
    0.11376458 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I1767
    0.11398530 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5017
    0.11421155 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3589
    0.11442848 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I5379
    0.11627085 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1166
    0.11647608 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I3528
    0.11716726 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2403
    0.11732063 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1248



    Target: ADS007-K13-sim_scaled
    Distance: 0.5876% / 0.00587584
    17.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_SE_ CA:CLL002
    15.6 Italian_N/Chl:ITA_Gattolino_CA:GLR001A1
    15.4 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POL:I6583
    7.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I6601
    5.8 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_SE_ CA:CDM001
    5.8 Italian_N/Chl:ITA_Monte_San_Biagio_CA:RMPR1014
    4.2 Italian_N/Chl:ITA_LaSassa_CA:LSC005A1_013
    3.6 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_England:I5512
    3.2 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I4178
    3.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1165
    2.8 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_SE_ CA:CLL011
    2.4 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Scotland:I5385
    2.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_SE_ CA:CLL003
    2.2 Anatolian_BA:ALA024
    2.0 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_POLcw260
    1.6 Corded_Ware:Corded_Ware_DEU:I1534
    1.6 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010
    1.6 Ancestral_South_Indian
    1.2 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I5076
    1.2 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt_oY20:MEV010
    0.2 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5020
    0.2 Minoan:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073

    Distance to: ADS007-K13-sim_scaled
    0.05070605 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1166
    0.05142660 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1250
    0.05155072 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:UKR_Globular_Amphora:ILK002
    0.05399291 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1165
    0.05457540 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1254
    0.05460734 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:N38
    0.05805462 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2433
    0.05978870 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1163
    0.06050322 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:UKR_Globular_Amphora:ILK001
    0.06053101 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1161
    0.06107752 Italian_N/Chl:ITA_Gattolino_CA:GLR001A1
    0.06146354 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1249
    0.06208843 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1241
    0.06335405 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2441
    0.06409260 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:UKR_Globular_Amphora:ILK003
    0.06424675 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1248
    0.06589879 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:RISE1252
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    0.06719746 Iberian_Chl/Globular_AmphoraOL_Globular_Amphora:I2403
    0.06729572 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora:Iberian_Chlharcolithic:Iberia_Sou thwest_CA:I5076
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Ah, ok.

    Anyway, usually samples from Chalcolithic use to be labelled as just "C".

    I would have understood that "Ch" would have been Chalcolithic, but that "r" added making "Chr" it´s strange because usually "Chr" it´s an abbreviation for "chromosome"and with "Iberian Globular Amphora" all for me was a nonsense.

    I'm sorry for being off topic, but I didn't understand what the labels of those samples alluded to.
    No prob, I've already said that I confused Chalcolithic with Charcolithic, because of Charcoal , and the label is Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora, not Iberian_Globular_Amphora .
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