Dagestanis on G25

[axlredneck]

Do they not have any Iranian ancestry?
Dagestan is diverse, I think Kumyks have significantly lower Steppe ancestry than NE Caucasian speakers.

Nope, no Iranian ancestry. Kumyks are very mixed, hence the lower Steppe. But they're not part of this average.

[axlredneck]

[axlredneck]

Origins of East Caucasus Gene Pool: Contributions of Autochthonous Bronze Age Populations and Migrations from West Asia Estimated from Y-Chromosome Data

The gene pool of the East Caucasus, encompassing modern-day Azerbaijan and Dagestan populations, was studied alongside adjacent populations using 83 Y-chromosome SNP markers. The analysis of genetic distances among 18 populations (N = 2216) representing Nakh-Dagestani, Altaic, and Indo-European language families revealed the presence of three components (Steppe, Iranian, and Dagestani) that emerged in different historical periods. The Steppe component occurs only in Karanogais, indicating a recent medieval migration of Turkic-speaking nomads from the Eurasian steppe. The Iranian component is observed in Azerbaijanis, Dagestani Tabasarans, and all Iranian-speaking peoples of the Caucasus. The Dagestani component predominates in Dagestani-speaking populations, except for Tabasarans, and in Turkic-speaking Kumyks. Each component is associated with distinct Y-chromosome haplogroup complexes: the Steppe includes C-M217, N-LLY22g, R1b-M73, and R1a-M198; the Iranian includes J2-M172(×M67, M12) and R1b-M269; the Dagestani includes J1-Y3495 lineages. We propose J1-Y3495 haplogroup’s most common lineage originated in an autochthonous ancestral population in central Dagestan and splits up ~6 kya into J1-ZS3114 (Dargins, Laks, Lezgi-speaking populations) and J1-CTS1460 (Avar-Andi-Tsez linguistic group). Based on the archeological finds and DNA data, the analysis of J1-Y3495 phylogeography suggests the growth of the population in the territory of modern-day Dagestan that started in the Bronze Age, its further dispersal, and the microevolution of the diverged population.

[Kess]

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.0539% / 0.03053918
63.2 Kura-Araxes
16.2 Turkic
15.0 West_Caucasus_BA
4.6 Late_Kubano-Tersk
1.0 Steppe_EMBA

Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.06144131 Kura-Araxes
0.06299342 Dagestan_A_224
0.07396780 West_Caucasus_BA
0.12894221 Late_Kubano-Tersk
0.18710551 Steppe_EMBA
0.24622285 Turkic
4.92916107 Noise

[Leto]

Nope, no Iranian ancestry. Kumyks are very mixed, hence the lower Steppe. But they're not part of this average.

On Gedmatch many Dags would score 25-27% Gedrosia, sometimes close to 30 percent. That's why I was asking.

[axlredneck]

On Gedmatch many Dags would score 25-27% Gedrosia, sometimes close to 30 percent. That's why I was asking.

Averages from Genoplot:

Kura Araxes
Gedrosia: 24.77%
Siberian: 0.09%
Northwest African: 0.96%
Southeast Asian: 0.46%
Atlantic Med: 2.41%
North European: 7.16%
South Asian: 1.24%
East African: 0.47%
Southwest Asian: 9.02%
East Asian: 0.00%
Caucasus: 53.19%
Sub Saharan: 0.23%

Afanasievo
Gedrosia: 27.96%
Siberian: 2.87%
Northwest African: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.03%
Atlantic Med: 2.93%
North European: 58.35%
South Asian: 1.08%
East African: 0.21%
Southwest Asian: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.06%
Caucasus: 5.86%
Sub Saharan: 0.66%

Maykop
Gedrosia: 22.19%
Siberian: 0.00%
Northwest African: 0.76%
Southeast Asian: 0.44%
Atlantic Med: 5.11%
North European: 6.85%
South Asian: 1.62%
East African: 0.00%
Southwest Asian: 5.79%
East Asian: 0.24%
Caucasus: 56.42%
Sub Saharan: 0.58%

All ancient pops ancestral to Dagestanis score high Gedrosia on this calculator; hence, Dagestanis score high Gedrosia likely.

[axlredneck]

[Leto]

Averages from Genoplot:

Kura Araxes
Gedrosia: 24.77%
Siberian: 0.09%
Northwest African: 0.96%
Southeast Asian: 0.46%
Atlantic Med: 2.41%
North European: 7.16%
South Asian: 1.24%
East African: 0.47%
Southwest Asian: 9.02%
East Asian: 0.00%
Caucasus: 53.19%
Sub Saharan: 0.23%

Afanasievo
Gedrosia: 27.96%
Siberian: 2.87%
Northwest African: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.03%
Atlantic Med: 2.93%
North European: 58.35%
South Asian: 1.08%
East African: 0.21%
Southwest Asian: 0.00%
East Asian: 0.06%
Caucasus: 5.86%
Sub Saharan: 0.66%

Maykop
Gedrosia: 22.19%
Siberian: 0.00%
Northwest African: 0.76%
Southeast Asian: 0.44%
Atlantic Med: 5.11%
North European: 6.85%
South Asian: 1.62%
East African: 0.00%
Southwest Asian: 5.79%
East Asian: 0.24%
Caucasus: 56.42%
Sub Saharan: 0.58%

All ancient pops ancestral to Dagestanis score high Gedrosia on this calculator; hence, Dagestanis score high Gedrosia likely.

I see but the Dagestanis do stand out in this regard. Georgia and even Azerbaijan usually do not score over 20-22% Gedrosia.

[axlredneck]

Nogai outliers (n=3) with a Dagestani profile (from Moriopoulus collection)

Nogai_o,0.11534067,0.098845,-0.019359,0.019164667,-0.035391333,0.015246,0.0096353333,-0.0034613333,-0.055698667,-0.040577667,-0.0052506667,0.0061446667,-0.0087213333,-0.0096796667,0.010948333,-0.0041986667,0.000739,-0.000929,-0.0041896667,0.0062113333,-0.00020766667,0.0056883333,0.0038616667,0.0077116667,-0.0044306667

[Leto]

Kumyks are very mixed, hence the lower Steppe. But they're not part of this average.

Do you think they are the darkest people in Dagestan after the Azerbaijanis? Overall, is the Northwestern Caucasus (Circassians and Karachay-Balkars) lighter or darker than the Northeastern Caucasus? I think in Dagestan and Chechnya there are quite a few light people, sometimes very white like Northern Europeans.