If Bell Beakers invaded Ireland how is it that many people there look distinct from other Europeans?

[Septentrion]

Ireland is said to be overwhelmingly Bell Beaker in genetic makeup but the fact is that people there still look extremely distinct to the Germans or Dutch or wherever the Beakers came from, a pure Brunn is extremely hard to find in continental Europe for example.

Angular facial features + green or blue eyes + freckles + pasty skin + red hair makes the Irish stand out.

[Septentrion]

Ireland is said to be overwhelmingly Bell Beaker in genetic makeup but the fact is that people there still look extremely distinct to the Germans or Dutch or wherever the Beakers came from, a pure Brunn is extremely hard to find in continental Europe for example.

Do you think that they look that distinct from continental Europeans?
https://i.imgflip.com/2qlkkq.jpg

[Oliver109]

Do you think that they look that distinct from continental Europeans?
https://i.imgflip.com/2qlkkq.jpg

Very

[Anglo-Celtic]

Diversity across Britain and Ireland is reduced in comparison with mainland European populations! Iberia might have less IBD sharing with other Europeans, but perhaps share some with non - European people such as the Northern Africans. The reason why, there is a low haplotype diversity in the British Isles especially in Ireland and Scotland has to do with some isolation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2987482/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...genomes18%2C20.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ancestry-g...44043-Dec2017/

The first study claims that the Scottish are closer to the Southern English than they are to the Irish. Wouldn't the results be more complex than that if they broke down Scotland by regions since the Southwest Scottish are closer to the Irish (in more ways than one) than they are to the Southern English?

[Creoda]

The first study claims that the Scottish are closer to the Southern English than they are to the Irish. Wouldn't the results be more complex than that if they broke down Scotland by regions since the Southwest Scottish are closer to the Irish (in more ways than one) than they are to the Southern English?

That's correct. The Scottish sample in that study is Aberdeen; Eastern Scots are genetically closer to the English, while Western Scots are closer to the Irish.

[Septentrion]

Ireland is said to be overwhelmingly Bell Beaker in genetic makeup but the fact is that people there still look extremely distinct to the Germans or Dutch or wherever the Beakers came from, a pure Brunn is extremely hard to find in continental Europe for example.

The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st millennium.

[Septentrion]

Very

Really? I think they don't look distinct from other Europeans. Rather, they look "ultra European". The other people who also look "ultra European" are the Norwegians, Icelanders, Swedes and Danes.


Irish
https://curlyhairglow.com/wp-content...n-ireland.webp

Swedes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...markransar.jpg

[Anglo-Celtic]

That's correct. The Scottish sample in that study is Aberdeen; Eastern Scots are genetically closer to the English, while Western Scots are closer to the Irish.

Yep, and that's why I think that it's incomplete and misleading. Most of my Scottish forebears were from the "inferior Celtic" region rather than the "superior Anglo-Saxon" region, so Thomas Sowell would label me as Black Gaelic.

[Creoda]

Yep, and that's why I think that it's incomplete and misleading. Most of my Scottish forebears were from the "inferior Celtic" region rather than the "superior Anglo-Saxon" region, so Thomas Sowell would label me as Black Gaelic.

Not wanting to be argumentative, but who is saying Western Scotland is inferior, and Eastern Scotland is superior and Anglo-Saxon? I'm not aware of a great divide.

[Watersater79]

That's correct. The Scottish sample in that study is Aberdeen; Eastern Scots are genetically closer to the English, while Western Scots are closer to the Irish.

I really don't understand it. Surely it's just that the eastern Scottish (in a NW European context) don't overlap that much with the Irish. I don't why they would be closer to the English, though. It is true there was a decent amount of English (and Flemish) immigration to the Burghs of (lowland) Scotland between the 11th-14th Centuries and there is no doubt this also concerned the north-east, the result of which caused the genesis of the Scots language. But it can't have been that seismic? Even excluding that 'English' component, considering that eastern Scots are basically 'Picts' and that they overlap more with the English, this should signify that they were, by-and-large, a Brythonic subgroup, but due to geographic isolation, developed a different culture/language than their neighbours/neighbors to the south. We still don't know a huge amount about the Pictish language, but there have been arguments put forth that it was a sort of Goidelic-Brythonic hybrid and thus, would signify there was a Gaelic component to the genetic makeup of the Pictish peoples (the ethnogenesis of the 'Picts' would have been the result of migrants from Ireland arriving and intermixing with the Britons). I guess this study sort of quells that theory.