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    The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews
    Barzan (Kurdish Newspaper) ^ | 4 may 06 | kevin brook
    Posted on 5/4/2006 7:03:48 AM by white trash redneck

    "The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews"

    by Kevin Alan Brook

    Kurds are the Closest Relatives of Jews

    In 2001, a team of Israeli, German, and Indian scientists discovered that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people -- more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested. The researchers sampled a total of 526 Y-chromosomes from 6 populations (Kurdish Jews, Kurdish Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazic Jews, and Bedouin from southern Israel) and added extra data on 1321 persons from 12 populations (including Russians, Belarusians, Poles, Berbers, Portuguese, Spaniards, Arabs, Armenians, and Anatolian Turks). Most of the 95 Kurdish Muslim test subjects came from northern Iraq. Ashkenazic Jews have ancestors who lived in central and eastern Europe, while Sephardic Jews have ancestors from southwestern Europe, northern Africa, and the Middle East. The Kurdish Jews and Sephardic Jews were found to be very close to each other. Both of these Jewish populations differed somewhat from Ashkenazic Jews, who mixed with European peoples during their diaspora. The researchers suggested that the approximately 12.7 percent of Ashkenazic Jews who have the Eu 19 chromosomes -- which are found among between 54 and 60 percent of Eastern European Christians -- descend paternally from eastern Europeans (such as Slavs) or Khazars. But the majority of Ashkenazic Jews, who possess Eu 9 and other chromosomes, descend paternally from Judeans who lived in Israel two thousand years ago. In the article in the November 2001 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University of Israel wrote that this new study revealed that Jews have a closer genetic relationship to populations in the northern Mediterranean (Kurds, Anatolian Turks, and Armenians) than to populations in the southern Mediterranean (Arabs and Bedouins).

    A previous study by Ariella Oppenheim and her colleagues, published in Human Genetics in December 2000, showed that about 70 percent of Jewish paternal ancestries and about 82 percent of Palestinian Arabs share the same chromosomal pool. The geneticists asserted that this might support the claim that Palestinian Arabs descend in part from Judeans who converted to Islam. With their closer relationship to Jews, the Palestinian Arabs are distinctive from other Arab groups, such as Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis, and Iraqis, who have less of a connection to Jews.

    A study by Michael Hammer et al., published in PNAS in June 2000, had identified a genetic connection between Arabs (especially Syrians and Palestinians) and Jews, but had not tested Kurds, so it was less complete.

    Many Kurds have the "Jewish" Cohen Modal Haplotype

    In the 1990s, a team of scientists (including the geneticist Michael Hammer, the nephrologist Karl Skorecki, and their colleagues in England) discovered the existence of a haplotype which they termed the "Cohen modal haplotype" (abbreviated as CMH). Cohen is the Hebrew word for "priest", and designates descendants of Judean priests from two thousand years ago. Initial research indicated that while only about 3 percent of general Jews have this haplotype, 45 percent of Ashkenazic Cohens have it, while 56 percent of Sephardic Cohens have it. David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: "It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population." Some Jewish rabbis used the Cohen study to argue that all Cohens with the CMH had descended from Aaron, a High Priest who lived about 3500 years ago, as the Torah claimed. Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.

    However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not "unique or special". The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al. And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: "The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH..." (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: "The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156).

    In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.


    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...-kurds-1.75273

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    Yes, Kurds are our brothers.

    The actor, Oded Fehr, you've labelled as Sephardi is Ashkenazi.
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    Adam Sandler's Ashkenazi too.
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    Kurds are genetically close to Persians. They don't cluster with any Semitic group, and this includes Jews. Kurds are genetically close to North Iranian peoples, and that's where they hail from. There is probably more genetic relationship to Mandeans than there is to Kurds. The study is outdated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CircassianWine View Post
    Kurds are genetically close to Persians. They don't cluster with any Semitic group, and this includes Jews. Kurds are genetically close to North Iranian peoples, and that's where they hail from. There is probably more genetic relationship to Mandeans than there is to Kurds. The study is outdated.
    I have a question, are kavkaz people genetically related to Perians? I have heared about this theory

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    if jews are Brothers of kurds they are not White, because i know that kurds are a middle eastern ethnicity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquiring Mind View Post
    if jews are Brothers of kurds they are not White, because i know that kurds are a middle eastern ethnicity
    being middle eastern people doesn't necessarily mean you're not white, even many europeans have middle eastern ancester long long time ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by vassilio View Post
    being middle eastern people doesn't necessarily mean you're not white, even many europeans have middle eastern ancester long long time ago
    true but kurds are definitley not White. you should come to Austria and visit Kebab Restaurants then you wouldnt think they are White anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquiring Mind View Post
    true but kurds are definitley not White. you should come to Austria and visit Kebab Restaurants then you wouldnt think they are White anymore.
    I have seen Iranian people during my visit to Teheran, they look like Cyprus people and Sicilian people

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