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Thread: Ainu genocide: 80,000 dropped to 17,000 in population. ( just like Native Americans )

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Man View Post
    We have to distinguish between different periods and groups here.
    Jomon are pure the native in Honshu, Hokkaido and further north.
    East Asian settlers formed the first culture on Honshu and on the frontiers, they mixed with Jomon, creating the Emishi people (a process akin to the Metis in Canada). In the North, Jomon also mixed with Siberian peoples. East Asians settled more and more. There were wars but they were mostly eventually assimilated into the population. Ainu, the last group surviving until today, is a group already mixed with Siberian (Nivkh) and East Asian. The northern Daimyos did indeed have policies that are somehow like a slow genocide. They were forbidden to use metal of any kind and so the Ainu culture fell back more and more. If it was in any way possible to become Nihonyin, it was done. Just in remote areas on Hokkaido or the Kuriles and Sakhalin were they less oppressed.

    The Ainu Nilvkh mixture were only a minority, before 1868 the Japanese described not one Ainu that look like a Nihojin but later after inter-mixture with Japanese they described many Ainu who look like Japanese. The Ainu would have been 80% - 100% Jomon, now today they are like 20-80% Jomon.

    Ainu have 88.5% D2 today and 12.5% C3 and 20% Nivkh mtDNA. However later they heavily intermarried with Japanese
    At least an estimated 18% of Ainu D2 can be attributed to Japanese Y-DNA and 25% to Japanese mtDNA

    So real Ainu Y-DNA would be only 61% left and mtDNA 55%


    The Emishi, were the same race but mostly Ainu with some being mixed

    There were 4 different subgroup Ainu

    Hokkaido Ainu
    Kuril island Ainu ( complete extinct)
    Sakhalin Ainu
    Hokkaido Ainu ( complete extinct )

    The north Honshu Ainu were at one time a 100,000


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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Man View Post
    We have to distinguish between different periods and groups here.
    Jomon are pure the native in Honshu, Hokkaido and further north.
    East Asian settlers formed the first culture on Honshu and on the frontiers, they mixed with Jomon, creating the Emishi people (a process akin to the Metis in Canada). In the North, Jomon also mixed with Siberian peoples. East Asians settled more and more. There were wars but they were mostly eventually assimilated into the population. Ainu, the last group surviving until today, is a group already mixed with Siberian (Nivkh) and East Asian. The northern Daimyos did indeed have policies that are somehow like a slow genocide. They were forbidden to use metal of any kind and so the Ainu culture fell back more and more. If it was in any way possible to become Nihonyin, it was done. Just in remote areas on Hokkaido or the Kuriles and Sakhalin were they less oppressed.
    Actually majority of Emishi were pure Ainoid , a minority were mix race. It's only during the rule of the Japanese from 8th century to 12th centhury that they all became more Japanese looking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi

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    The Emishi were composed of two main populations, the Jōmon Ainoid who were the majority and a smaller group the Kofun united by a common Ainoid language distinct from Japanese. These two populations were not distinguished by contemporaries, but rather by present-day physical anthropologists. Historically, they were seen as one group by contemporaries, mainly those who were descendants of the natives (the Jōmon) called Emishi and Ebisu who also had in their population those of mixed ethnicity, most likely descendants of early Japanese colonists. In addition, the contemporary Japanese for their part looked upon the Emishi as foreigners and barbarians whose lands they desired to conquer and incorporate into the Japanese state. "


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkaido




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    The Matsumae clan were of Yamato descent like other ethnic Japanese people, whereas the Emishi of northern Honshu where a distinctive group related to the Ainu. The Emishi were conquered and integrated into the Japanese state dating back as far as the 8th century, and as result began to lose their distinctive culture and ethnicity as they became minorities. By the time the Matsumae clan ruled over the Ainu most of the Emishi were ethnically mixed and physically closer to Japanese than they were to Ainu. This dovetails nicely with the "transformation" theory that native Jōmon peoples changed gradually with the infusion of Yayoi immigrants into the Tōhoku rather than the "replacement" theory which posits that one population (Jōmon) was replaced by another (Yayoi).[6] "

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    For example Nepalese phenotypes

    IE or Sino-Tibetan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    IE or Sino-Tibetan?
    Nepalese are mixture of Tibeto-Burmese and IE people.


    However it ranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Nepalese are mixture of Tibeto-Burmese and IE people.


    However it ranges
    Nepalese is not an ethnic group. There are 100+ ethnic groups in Nepal.
    The Indo-Aryan Languages--------Beautiful Bengal--------Kashmir: Paradise on Earth--------The Nord-Indid Phenotype--------Ethnic Groups of Southern Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shah-Jehan View Post
    Nepalese is not an ethnic group. There are 100+ ethnic groups in Nepal.
    He failed to understand what I meant, namely the ethnicity of that guy, since he looks very Indo-Aryan, to be more exact he looks like the older version of zarzian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shah-Jehan View Post
    Nepalese is not an ethnic group. There are 100+ ethnic groups in Nepal.

    It does not freaking matters how many ethnic groups there are. I was well aware of that from the beginning.

    What matters is their all mixture of South Asian and Mongoloid



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    He failed to understand what I meant, namely the ethnicity of that guy, since he looks very Indo-Aryan, to be more exact he looks like the older version of zarzian.
    He can pass for a slanty eye Arab or Mexican.

    He is not as Caucasian looking as you exaggerated him to be


    He looked more Japanese when he was younger. Not to mention both his parents look much more closer to Japanese




    Other pictures makes him look like almost a half Chinese. He looks much less Indo-European without the beard. The freaking truth is he looks much more East Asian than most halfies I've seen, his face is nothing atypical to a filipino celebrity who is ussually mix of white and Filipino



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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    looks much less Indo-European without the beard.
    What is an Indo-European look?


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