Classify Lenna Kuurma

[Joso]

baltid with some nordid, very, very cute!

[VirilLignac]

NO. Finno-Ugrians ARE lots of racial types, with more or less deep prehistory in Europe depending on the type. The times you are talking about are another matter. Then, it would be anachronistic to say 'Finno-Ugric', as the two branches hadn't quite coalesced yet. We CAN'T start talking of a 'Finnic' entity until we have passed the stage of the blending of your incomers with the western europid natives of the Volga and s. Dvina basins.

I've seen better looking Mansi, to tell the truth. This was just a particularly unfortunate individual, who had probably suffered much in life. It's not comparable.

Lol, kid... Only a small proportion of Russians are what you describe here. They even have a name; Pomors and are a fairly distinct sub-ethnos. But even there there IS a Slavonic element, ultimately from Central Europe. Otherwise, all these people would still be speaking Veps and Komi, having had nobody to learn their present language FROM!

Karl, constantly repeating your dogma won't make it 'True'. There ARE other theories.


The Mansi passed eastwards INTO Asia in the early modern period. They had previously straddled both sides of the Ural. The Bashkir retain linguistic traces of an Ugric substratum in their clan names, and I would locate the pre-migration Magyars in much of the present range of this now Turkic-speaking people.

Both Khanty and Mansi Ugrians have probably assimilated a large Samoyedic element, however, and it could be the case that the Samoyed themselves are only Uralicised. (Their non-Ugric linguistic ancestors may have been allied to the Ket)

23% of haplogroup N (almost 1/4 of the total Russian population), no it isn't a "small proportion".
It's half the rates found among Balts, and a third of the rates found among Northern Finns, suggesting that a strong proportion of Russians have Finnic and/or Baltic ancestry, even more than their Belarusian neighbours who have a reputation of being Baltic-admixed.
And of course original Magyars were Volga Finns, explaining why their neighbours Huns and Iazyges (Scythian) conquered Hungary alongside with them.

[Tsuin]

Aisto Nordid

[VirilLignac]

Neo-Danubian in Coon classification (1.63m, gracile features etc.)
Fenno-Nordid (Aisto-Nordid+East Baltid/Ladogan) in modern classifications