Why did Poland get Szczecin/Stettin if it's West of the Oder?

[Ugo]

I base my knowledge on the actual existing sources from the period and not stuff made up during the last couple of centuries to support someone's views. It's you who's repeating over and over that the Poles came from the Russians, yet quite the opposite is known from the sources. Of course Russians descend from many different peoples, like the many East Slavic tribes, also the Radimichs and Vyatichs, who were of Polish origin, as well as many Finno-Ugric and some Turkic people.

I personally have no ill thoughts towards the Russians and I would happily see them as the peaceful nation living somewhere in the East with which we can have normal relations. All of Europe would be happy to trade and cooperate with such a state.

It's Russia that needs to claim whatever crap to justify its expansionist ambitions - once it's the "gathering of Rus lands", then "defending the Orthodox", then "uniting the Slavs", then "freeing the opressed masses", then "rebuilding the Soviet Union" etc. which causes these conflicts in the first place.

Russians are the most peaceful nation in Europe. Aggression always comes from the West. The West has been waging a hybrid war with Russia since 2014. I don't think that if Poles were offended in Ukraine, Poland would tolerate it. You would start crying and stamping your feet, because you are not capable of more. Ordinary dependent people who, for their own benefit, can commit great meanness. In general, not all Poles are bad. I am neutral towards you. A Pole living in Russia is suitable for assimilation. And you assimilate quickly, just like Ukrainians.

[thatoneton]

Wrong. You seem to want to claim even more German land, it seems, while the whole of Poland is actually stolen Germanic land.

Germanics expanded from Scandinavia in the I millenium BC, so in fact almost all of modern Germany is a stolen land.



Just as well they expanded into the modern Polish lands



which were inhabited by the non-Germanic peoples, like the trzciniec culture which likely was the Balto-Slavic one.

And unlike you I don't claim any territories of other countries.

[Blondie]

And liberal democracy does not mean what you think it does:

I dont care dictionary, i see how does liberal democracy works in the reality. Thats enough. I hope Germany will be such patriotic authoritarian mafia state like Hungary or Russia. The new german leader must be a bloodthirsty neo barbarian Tony Montana from the Teutoburg Forest with lower IQ than 50, and this low IQ important. He will have a bone mace and he can communicate with his fist instead of talking. I am 100% serious.

And, honestly, a Central Europe that falls to the Russians is a threat to the West

Central Europe was always german zone of interests, Russia is ok with it, they want just the former areas of Soviet Union.

If a war breaks these are the only ones who would seriously support us (plus probably the rest of Central Europeans, like Slovakia, Hungary and maybe Croatia or Slovenia)

Nope, these are pro-russian countries.

[thatoneton]

Russians are the most peaceful nation in Europe. Aggression always comes from the West. The West has been waging a hybrid war with Russia since 2014. I don't think that if Poles were offended in Ukraine, Poland would tolerate it. You would start crying and stamping your feet, because you are not capable of more. Ordinary dependent people who, for their own benefit, can commit great meanness. In general, not all Poles are bad. I am neutral towards you. A Pole living in Russia is suitable for assimilation. And you assimilate quickly, just like Ukrainians.

Basically every European could assimilate into whatever European culture, as happened many times already. Seeing how Russians have been assimilating quickly in Kazakhstan I dare to say that for Russians it's not necessary just a European culture needed to assimilate to.

Russians have fought numerous wars in Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union, siding with separatist forces whenever it suited them. These were clearly aggressive wars meant to destabilize those countries (Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine) so Russia hardly counts as peaceful.
So saying that the aggression always comes from the West when it actually mostly came from Russia to the West is just an attempt to justify Russia's aggressive wars. Also Georgia does not lie to the West of Russia if memory serves.

Good to know you're neutral towards the Poles, too bad the same cannot be said about the Ukrainians who are called mean names by the Russians everyday.

[Jana]

calm down, you all come from us

As in the Polish version, Čech is identified as the founder of the Czech nation (Češi pl.) and Lech as the founder of the Polish nation. Zdeněk Nejedlý argued that Cosmas of Prague's Chronica Boemorum (12th century) described Čech's arrival from Northeastern Bohemia once called White Croatia. The older chronicles from 14th century (such as those of Dalimil, Wenceslaus Hajek and Přibík Pulkava z Radenína) do not specify the location of Čech and Lech's homeland Charvaty, but in the Alois Jirásek retelling of Staré pověsti české (Old Bohemian Legends) from 1894 it is more closely determined; Za Tatrami, v rovinách při řece Visle rozkládala se od nepaměti charvátská země, část prvotní veliké vlasti slovanské (Behind the Tatra Mountains, in the plains of the river Vistula, stretched from immemorial time Charvátská country (probably meaning so-called Great or White Croatia), the initial part of the great Slavic homeland), and V té charvátské zemi bytovala četná plemena, příbuzná jazykem, mravy, způsobem života (In Charvátská existed numerous tribes, related by language, manners, and way of life).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech,_Czech,_and_Rus%27

[Blondie]

Germanics expanded from Scandinavia in the I millenium BC, so in fact almost all of modern Germany is a stolen land.

These celts are germans now, germans are celto-germanic not just germanic, and proto slavs came from Belorussia, so by your logic most part of Poland is also "stolen land".
Seems you dont understand how does the history works. There are winners and loosers, and the winners/strongest nations will get the land. It will happens in the future too.

[Victor]

These celts are germans now, germans are celto-germanic not just germanic, and proto slavs came from Belorussia, so by your logic most part of Poland is also "stolen land".
Seems you dont understand how does the history works. There are winners and loosers, and the winners/strongest nations will get the land. It will happens in the future too.

This concept is usually used by bigger powers for minor casus belli against other bigger powers using the feelings of smaller ethnic groups. Usually it's not the general claim, just one of minor ones on the list. All this "decolonization" bullshit etc to make the nationalists of smaller ethnic groups sympathetic towards the whole case which is barely concentrated on their interests.

[rothaer]

Wrong. You seem to want to claim even more German land, it seems, while the whole of Poland is actually stolen Germanic land.

Say acquired. Remaining Germanics were assimilated. We don't know what exactly happened.

However, the settlement of the Polish people prior to 1945 is undisputed in its legitimacy and there's no reason to confuse historic migrations and assimilations with the expulsion crimes and robberies from 1945/46 (with maintained till this very day results, kept loot etc.).

A confusion in order to relativate and fog clear crimes can only be in the interest of the perpetrators and their profiteurs.

[Ugo]

Basically every European could assimilate into whatever European culture, as happened many times already. Seeing how Russians have been assimilating quickly in Kazakhstan I dare to say that for Russians it's not necessary just a European culture needed to assimilate to.

Russians have fought numerous wars in Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union, siding with separatist forces whenever it suited them. These were clearly aggressive wars meant to destabilize those countries (Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine) so Russia hardly counts as peaceful.
So saying that the aggression always comes from the West when it actually mostly came from Russia to the West is just an attempt to justify Russia's aggressive wars. Also Georgia does not lie to the West of Russia if memory serves.

Good to know you're neutral towards the Poles, too bad the same cannot be said about the Ukrainians who are called mean names by the Russians everyday.

1)All Slavs originated from the Kievan culture (Belarus, Eastern Ukraine and Western Russia). In central Europe, Poles are an alien people. See the map.
https://imgur.com/a/LTZhkNk
2)Russians in Kazakhstan are oppressed people. They assimilate very poorly. I have friends who are refugees from Kazakhstan. In Kazakhstan, the Germans assimilated much faster.
3) The Georgians attacked Abkhazia. Ukrainians, provoked by the West and Poland) attacked the Russians in the Donbas. Russia is the hand of God. Russians have been saving someone from all sorts of Polish semi-Slavs all through history.

[rothaer]

These celts are germans now, germans are celto-germanic not just germanic, and proto slavs came from Belorussia, so by your logic most part of Poland is also "stolen land".
Seems you dont understand how does the history works. There are winners and loosers, and the winners/strongest nations will get the land. It will happens in the future too.

There is zero reason to refrain from referring to what is right and wrong. Particularly regarding this topic.

If then the police is stronger than the gang of thievs is another story and also important. It will very likely be.

But what then will happen is not based on power alone but on justice.