Vlach language in schools in Eastern Serbia

[OrdinaryWorld]

Moguće da je nešto Vlaha iz današnje zapadne Bugarske izbeglo u 9. veku na zapad u dinarski pojas kad je njihov kraj bio na udaru bugarskih osvajača. Ta moguća migracija je mogla komovati porastu E-V13 u dinarskom pojasu koja kao što rekoh nije postojala u istom u predrimskom periodu.

U svakom slucaju, Vlasi smo

[OrdinaryWorld]

Moguće da je nešto Vlaha iz današnje zapadne Bugarske izbeglo u 9. veku na zapad u dinarski pojas kad je njihov kraj bio na udaru bugarskih osvajača. Ta moguća migracija je mogla komovati porastu E-V13 u dinarskom pojasu koja kao što rekoh nije postojala u istom u predrimskom periodu.

Vidim da polako napredujes. Imas jos puno toga da naucis, tako od mene i tako od drugih

[OrdinaryWorld]

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[Cybele]

This is cool. I'm wondering if they're using education material from Romania.

The children in the video don’t learn with Romanian didactic materials I presume, but with special Vlach ones: in Vlach writing script and with specific manuals. And that is because Vlach language and Romanian language are learned separately in Serbia, from what I’ve read. And under Vlach language classes, children are also taught Vlach customs and traditions. You can see in video, in some sequences, they appear dressed in their traditional garments (which of course are not very different from Romanian ones) with specific flute music.

I found the following information:

Vlach language (as archaic form of Romanian language with Serbian neologisms) was used as vernacular language, it had no official script and was transmitted in spoken form, from one generation to the next. The community managed to survive and preserve its language and customs, through its system of popular beliefs. Community ceremonies, family customs and traditions (especially the fascinating cult of the dead, as a complex form of attachment to predecessors), the system of oral transmission of the popular repertoire are true traditional institutions that regulate the life of the community and support the re-creation of its identity

Vlach community was par excellence rural, traditional and strongly conservative; however, the last 50 years have witnessed new migrations, in an overwhelming economic proportion, of great magnitude.

Until 2011, Vlach language did not have an official script. Thus, several writing systems have been created and the one put forward by the Gergina NGO (of independentist orientation) in 2012 has been declared official (although this does not mean that it is indeed used by everyone).

The "Gergina" society proposes a double orthographic system, which accepts and places the Cyrillic alphabet and the Latin alphabet on the same level. The basic principle is the phonemic one, specific to the Serbian language, which involves the creation and introduction of special signs for the sounds specific to Vlach speech. In the authors' view, the Cyrillic alphabet is justified by historical reasons, being the one used by the Vlachs in the Balkans since the beginning of writing, while the Latin alphabet is preferred for pragmatic reasons, being the one used in all Romance languages and, in general, in modern communication. The orthographic system briefly described above is presented in the first grammar of the so-called Vlach language, Gramatika vlaškog jezika, written in Serbian and published by Nadica N. Jovanović in 2013, in Negotin. Also, the Cyrillic version of the orthographic system is used in the first manual for teaching Vlach (Vuorba șî cultura vlaha/ Vlach language and culture), signed by Milena Golubović and published in 2014. The two volumes, together with a conversation guide ie Serbian-Vlach, a Vlach-Serbian dictionary, a children's storybook and a coloring book with Vlach texts (all co-authored by Slobodan Golubović dPasujoni and Sină alu Čeloju).

The topics outlined in the program are detailed in the Vlach teaching manual for first grade, which received the approval of the Serbian Ministry of Education, Science and Technological Development in 2014. The manual is based on a polynomial model (Sallabank 2010), which accepts the internal variety of the Vlach speech and does not propose a prescriptive supra-dialectal norm, but introduces three characters and their linguistic peculiarities as representatives of the three dialect groups. The use of the adapted Cyrillic alphabet (in the conditions when students are just starting to learn the Cyrillic alphabet of the Serbian language), long texts often accompanied by the observation Read the teacher (in Serbian), all show that the textbook can be considered more rather a guide for the use of teachers (and possibly parents). In addition, some stories are followed by observations or questions in Serbian, which suggests that teaching is sometimes done exclusively in Serbian or uses translanguaging (García 2009).

In the 2013–2014 school year, through a pilot project organized by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technological Development in Serbia, with the involvement of the National Council of the Romanian National Minority in Serbia, optional Romanian language classes were also introduced in Eastern Serbia. Although this year 1,617 students expressed their desire to participate, only half of them studied the Romanian language, mainly due to the insufficient number of teachers

https://dais.sanu.ac.rs/handle/123456789/14118

They way it's thought sounds like standard Romanian with a rural (south-western) accent, which is charming.

Yes, I agree!

[majevica]

I majevica je pola Hrvat a južniji je od Dušana.

Siguran sam, da nisam pola Hrvat bio bih još južniji.
Južniji sam i od Forda.

0.020 majevica_scaled = 72% Serbian + 28% Serbian:Ford(Serb)
0.022 majevica_scaled = 61% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 39% Macedonian
0.022 majevica_scaled = 74% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 26% Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.022 majevica_scaled = 58% Montenegrin + 42% Serbian:Ford(Serb)
0.023 majevica_scaled = 67% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 33% Bulgarian
0.023 majevica_scaled = 74% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 26% Gagauz
0.023 majevica_scaled = 60% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 40% Romanian
0.024 majevica_scaled = 94% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 6% Georgian_Mtiuleti
0.024 majevica_scaled = 94% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 6% Armenian_Artsakh
0.024 majevica_scaled = 95% Serbian:Ford(Serb) + 5% Iranian

[Sorab12]

Sure. But average Serbs look clearly Balkan and non Russian. Now what?

Average Serb from Serbia would be actor Vuk Kostić











http://slavanthro.mybb3.ru/viewtopic...=849&start=675

[Lioncourt]

So, every Serb who does not think Serbia is some enclave with Russian looking people on the Balkans, and does not agree with Russian politics, must be Croat or Albanian? Lol.

[OrdinaryWorld]

So, every Serb who does not think Serbia is some enclave with Russian looking people on the Balkans, and does not agree with Russian politics, must be Croat or Albanian? Lol.

Yeah, I'm asking myself the same thing. This is Varda's retarded nationalistic rhetoric. Look, I'm far from a leftist, but radical filorussian ultranationalists can be insane sometimes. Not only that, he also hates his own people because of our predominantly Balkan genetics/looks by trying to making us pass as Northern Europeans and forcing only those autosomal results that please him more. Typical example of cherrypicking and inferiority complex. By his logic, if you don't agree that Serbs are predominantly Slavic and you don't like Putin then you are automatically an anti-Serbian ustasha and so on. Ridiculous, to say the least.

[Varda]

So, every Serb who does not think Serbia is some enclave with Russian looking people on the Balkans, and does not agree with Russian politics, must be Croat or Albanian? Lol.

OW is Croatian. He used some words which are typical Croatian and doesn't exist in any Serbian dialect.

[Scarface F]

OW is Croatian. He used some words which are typical Croatian and doesn't exist in any Serbian dialect.

It's a nonsense, Serbs from Croatia speak same as Croats do.