Subdivisions of Polish people

[Peterski]

Scots in Poland? Interesting, didn’t know this

The oldest living descendant of the Stuart dynasty is Polish:

https://www.polskieradio.pl/68/1550/...ckich-Stuartow

[Rethel]

The oldest living descendant of the Stuart dynasty is Polish:

https://www.polskieradio.pl/68/1550/...ckich-Stuartow

[Peterski]

Jewish Poles (Jews by religion, but Poles by national identity):

https://books.google.pl/books?id=5_O...page&q&f=false

[CordedWhelp]

Resurrecting this. Nice info, Litvinski. I guess my Polish side is Kresowiak.

[CordedWhelp]

Bump. Poles and diaspora, what are your regional roots?

[Sebbo]

They do have high input from West Balts. As do Poles from Sudovia or Suwalszczyzna (Suwałki Region).

Here is a Polish GEDmatch result from Suwałki Region in Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.4
2 North_Sea 23.59
3 Eastern_Euro 20.92
4 Atlantic 13.83
5 West_Med 4.29
6 Siberian 0.78
7 Sub-Saharan 0.52
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 West_Asian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.22
2 Estonian 6.37
3 Belorussian 6.4
4 Estonian_Polish 7.17
5 Southwest_Russian 8.35
6 Polish 8.43
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.77
8 Ukrainian 9.09
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
10 South_Polish 9.87
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.96
12 Kargopol_Russian 12.15
13 Erzya 13.19
14 East_Finnish 14.23
15 Finnish 14.33
16 Southwest_Finnish 16.04
17 Croatian 16.3
18 La_Brana-1 17.31
19 Hungarian 17.96
20 Moldavian 18.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Estonian @ 3.33
2 90.6% Lithuanian + 9.4% North_Swedish @ 3.56
3 86.1% Lithuanian + 13.9% Finnish @ 3.57
4 92.8% Lithuanian + 7.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.58
5 91.8% Lithuanian + 8.2% Swedish @ 3.6
6 92.4% Lithuanian + 7.6% Norwegian @ 3.61
7 81.3% Lithuanian + 18.7% Ukrainian @ 3.77
8 88.2% Lithuanian + 11.8% East_Finnish @ 3.8
9 89.5% Lithuanian + 10.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.8
10 94% Lithuanian + 6% West_German @ 3.81
11 94.1% Lithuanian + 5.9% North_Dutch @ 3.84
12 94.9% Lithuanian + 5.1% Orcadian @ 3.84
13 84.8% Lithuanian + 15.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.89
14 95% Lithuanian + 5% Southwest_English @ 3.9
15 94.5% Lithuanian + 5.5% Danish @ 3.9
16 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% West_Scottish @ 3.94
17 95.3% Lithuanian + 4.7% Southeast_English @ 3.95
18 93% Lithuanian + 7% East_German @ 3.96
19 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Irish @ 3.96
20 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% North_German @ 4.01

Please could you post some of the K13 / K15 results that you have for Polish Masurians and Warmians and German East Prussians to demonstrate how much West Baltic ancestry they have ?

[Vessna]

Very interesting, thank you. According to Illustrative DNA my closest ancient sample is a Masovian pole.

[Peterski]

Very interesting, thank you. According to Illustrative DNA my closest ancient sample is a Masovian pole.

Which sample is this? Probably from Stolarek 2023 study?

[Vessna]

Which sample is this? Probably from Stolarek 2023 study?

Yes, here is the link to the study:
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....59-023-03013-9

[Nomadian90']

They are clearly non-Slavic to a high degree. They look dark, and more Alpine-like than Northern Poles like Mazovians and Wielkopolans. But I suspect they have more to do with "original" pre-Slavic, and probably pre-Indo-European inhabitants of Poland, who just migrated to highlands because Slavs or Corded Ware IEs took over the Polish plain, and this is a reason why they look similiar to Romanians, who are also dark and native to the Carpathian mountains. Haplogroup I2a is also much more common there than in the North.

Anthropologist Michalski claimed that in the river valleys between the regions inhabited by Slavic tribes live descendants of the pre-Slavic Finno-Ugric population with mixed Neanderthal-Finnish facial features. Generally ugly because they may have a darker shade of skin, hair and different eyes, as well as hard facial features with a different nose and eyebrow arches. The areas of their residence are the Łódź region, a strip of land in the Vistula valley, a strip of land on the Noteć and Krajno and Kujawy, i.e. in the gaps between the Slavic Pomeranians, Polans, Masovians, etc.
There was nothing about mountain dwellers, but it's quite possible. After all, Germans from the Alps also look dark and slant-eyed compared to their compatriots from the northern lowlands.