President of Ukraine Zelensky signs draconian law that all draftees 18-60 to remain in the military

[Blondie]

Ofcourse they don't.



True, and that is why they can't be trusted.

European countries need their own strong military and arms productions.

Do you mean EU army?

[Dragoon]

Im amazed Europe is still warmongering and not pushing for a peace deal.

European leaders have hated Russia for a long time. Even far away countries like France and Britain (Napolean, Crimea War) were and still pushing so far East in Europe.

[Scarface F]

Do you mean EU army?

Rather each country having own power. Macron lobbies hard for EU army. I don't think it's a good idea. Guy is a globalist.
EU army could terrorize anti woke EU and non EU European members.

Neither all European countries have same interests. But those that do could create alliances, that would be much more natural than NATO which serves as US Police organisation.

[Blondie]

Rather each country having own power. Macron lobbies hard for EU army. I don't think it's a good idea. Guy is a globalist.
EU army could terrorize anti woke EU and non EU European members.

Neither all European countries have same interests. But those that do could create alliances, that would be much more natural than NATO which serves as US Police organisation.

I agree, a strong Great Germany would be cool. I dont want EU army.

[rothaer]

Bloodshed between Russians and Ukrainians is a historical norm. Russians and Belarusians/Ukrainians have been killing each other for centuries. It tends to be overlooked because they acted under the banner of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and later Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.

In short, a small Baltic tribe known as Lithuanians went on a power trip and conquered several principalities on the terrotiry of modern Belarus and Ukraine (Supplementary file №1). Eventually the population of these territories started to feel like they "belong" in this country, known as the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Ruthenia and Samogitia", and willingly participated in further conquests, where they met the opposition force in the face of the Grand Duchy of Moscow (Muscovy). This is when the ancestors of Russians (on one side) and Belarusians/Ukrainians (on the other side) started spilling each other's blood on the battlefield. Eventually the things started to crumble for a multiethnic state known as "Lithuania", with Moscow gaining the upper hand in the conflict, and it signed a defence pact with Poland, which itself needed a strong ally as it was facing a direct threat from the biggest body of people in Europe, the Germans, who were slowly but steadily pushing the ethnic Polish settlement area in a South-Eastern direction (Supplementary file №2). Ukrainians became the backbone of the military might of this country, providing as much military force value as the ethnic Poles, and it is no coincidence that the downfall of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth began exactly when the internal divisions erupted, with a part of the Ukrainian people trying to establish an independent country. In 1658-1659 and 1674–1676 this breakaway part had its own wars with Russia. In early 1700s a part of the Ukrainian people joined arms with the Swedes, and in 1940s another part of the Ukrainian people joined arms with the Germans. Inbetween these two events there were several uprising attempts in 1768-1769, 1855 and 1917-1921.

Top level historians are employed as geopolitical advisors for the government of every serious country, and our enemies knew how to stoke the fire in Ukraine. Someone sitting at the head of the government has no idea that some 400 years ago Moscow was occupied and the bulk of occupational forces were Ukrainian cossacks, but he has geopolitical advisors who specialize on different parts of the world who know. You don't just go from a healthy relationship in 1991 to the shitshow of 2014, you need to raise a new generation of people with a needed education, and the first thing to do is to print history books for schoolchildren and university students, where every historical event can be presented however author wants. In Ukrainian history books every bloodshed with Muscovites/Russians is presented with a very one-sided interpretation, and these books are a product of cooperation between foreign NGOs and local like-minded people.

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Well described. I did not have such a view and such an aspect in mind.

Btw: I've repeatedly wondered how the Lithuanians could gather such an empire. (They acquired so much that they even had to change their administrational language to some sort of Belarusian.)

Maybe due to the fact that Lithuania had very stable and reliable conditions with the Teutonic Order and likely also with whoever ruled Latvia? The border of the East Prussian Memelland to Lithuania was one of the oldest borders in Europe when it was erased in 1920. It had been negociated and agreed on in 1422 and lasted since then.

[rothaer]

Rather each country having own power. Macron lobbies hard for EU army. I don't think it's a good idea. Guy is a globalist.
EU army could terrorize anti woke EU and non EU European members.

Neither all European countries have same interests. But those that do could create alliances, that would be much more natural than NATO which serves as US Police organisation.

An EU army would just strengthen this respulsive nation level "socialist" entity.

[rothaer]

Putin is Russian and Russians have equaly large losses. Ukraine has every right to defend against that retard and his ideas.

The question remains:

Would an ethnic Ukrainian president support an ongoing war with the unrealistic goal to "re-conquer" Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea from Russia, when the conflict has become immoblie since over one year and appears meanwhile WWI meat grinder-like with roughly 1,000 dead each day?

The ultimate conflict reason is that there has in 2014 been a coup d'etat (western supported and violating the Ukrainian constitution) and the anti-Russian putschists since then try to cut the rights of the Russian speakers that are not accepting these putschists as legit government. In this context the putschists' army has been engaged in a kind of civil war against Russian speaking regions since 2014.

This is not exactly a simple self-defence situation.

[Scarface F]

The question remains:

Would an ethnic Ukrainian president support an ongoing war with the unrealistic goal to "re-conquer" Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea from Russia, when the conflict has become immoblie since over one year and appears meanwhile WWI meat grinder-like with roughly 1,000 dead each day?

Crimea should remain in Russia, it was never truly Ukrainian anyway. I don't see why should Ukraine cede Donbass to Russia. Donbass had Ukrainian ethnic majority before the war and they overwhelmingly voted for indipendent Ukraine in 1991. It's rightful Ukrainian land.

The ultimate conflict reason is that there has in 2014 been a coup d'etat (western supported and violating the Ukrainian constitution) and the anti-Russian putschists since then try to cut the rights of the Russian speakers that are not accepting these putschists as legit government. In this context the putschists' army has been engaged in a kind of civil war against Russian speaking regions since 2014.

This is not exactly a simple self-defence situation.

Whole coup was illegal and US backed (business as usual, most of these colored revolutions are imported by western interest groups) it doesn't mean rage of Ukrainians was unjustified. Guy who won elections won them also due to promise to get closer to EU but failed to deliver those promises.

And most important thing showing ill intentions of Russia towards Ukraine; Ukraine gave up its nukes in 1990s in exchange for security guarantees by Russia. Russia broke this guarantees. If Ukraine had nuclear arsenal, there would be no war so them relying on Russia proved fatal mistake.

I didn't notice you complained about Ukrainian children taken to Russia to re-education camps.

Putin is denying soverign European country a right to exist. Screw that psychopath.

After both UA and RU are emptied of healthy Slavic men, he can create new Empire with central Asians and Chinese

[Lioncourt]

The west is weak and its leaders have been in majority incapable old men and women, too meek, too afraid.

They brought Putin and Russia to power and now we are all reaping what they have sown.

Trump may have been clown, showman according to some, but Putin was afraid of him. If he was president, the war would have been at least postponed and Europe could have prepared to be Russia independent.

I may hate Churchill but when he said if you choose between shame and war and select shame, you receive both. If you are stronger and select war, you most likely will avoid both.

[Dušan]

Trump may have been clown, showman according to some, but Putin was afraid of him. If he was president, the war would have been at least postponed and Europe could have prepared to be Russia independent.

Hahaha Trump would serve for example Baltic nazi midgets to Russia for breakfast.
He said he would not defend nato members, but negotiate with Russia.