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[rothaer]

You seem to be a biological determinist. As am I to a great degree. What would you say are the moral characteristics of a predominantly Southern European mixed with East Eurasian like myself to be like? And do I fit the mold?

A thoughtful question.

I even do extend the biological determination to lingusitic expression. But: First, as for my opinion it has to be taken into account whether it's about a population level or an individual level. If you have an Nigerian speaking English he will speak perfectly Oxford English if you socialise him as a singleton. But if he will be among his own kind in in hundreds of thousands in an English speaking environment it will turn out like African Americans speak. There are biological tendencies that just break through if they get the "majority" or more correct: a sufficient proportion.

You as a singleton would likely much adapt to your environment like all humans do. Another interesting question would be: How would a population that is put on it's own that is 3/4 Italian and 1/4 East Asian be? We could here just speculate, based on the known characteristics of the parent ancestries.

At a first glance you would assume a weighted average as a result and in many cases this is true. But not always. If you f. i. mix copper and tin you get bronze that is much harder than both "parent" metals. In the same way also human mixtures are not always simply forming an intermediate state. IMO the German people is an example for that. Germans are more strict, unrelaxed and determined than all of their neighbours in spite of being able to be modelled as a mixture of them.

As for your question I think that East Asian seriosity could compensate a lot of Mediterranean "laissez-fair" but I really have no clue what would be the outcome if you had a a separate population with that ancestry figures.

[CosmoLady]

A Reichsbürger considers the German Empire legit and de jure existent and the FRG illegal. To be perfectly correct this question is not a matter of fact but a matter of opinion and I consider this opinion to be legally motivated with more ease than the opposite (mainstream) opinion. Whether this opinion comes to force by enough people following it or not is another story. I think that the FRG once in the future will dissolve itself by a parliament decision and revive the German Empire because you by that move can get rid of a lot of huge FRG problems, forced treaties, the citizens that comprise all the naturalised non-Germans etc.
However, a Reichsbürger is not promoting a separation. To a Reichsbürger not just himself is a Reichsbürger but all that do have the German Empire citizenship and that are most Germans. They don't "separate" more from "society" than anyone else with a conflicting with the mainstream determined opinion.

I know that Reichsburgers are not promoting secession.
But supposedly they increasingly separate themselves from society, like Orthodox Jews or Mennonites.
Besides their monarchist beliefs, they tend to live together in rural areas (mostly in East Germany I think),
they are against vaccination, the medical system, the education system, many other things...
This is what I have read in mainstream American/British media, maybe this is wrong.

The Reichsburgers are forming a tribe I think, and they will be perceived as different from everyone else,
IF Germany (and mainstream modern white Germans) continue changing beyond recognition.

IF the German state becomes more repressive and hostile to its declining native population,
then more native Germans will separate themselves from society,
and become Reichsburgers or other socially separatist tribes.

What do you think of the Reichsburgers aside from their monarchist beliefs?
What do you think about their other beliefs and lifestyle and coherence?

Can they form the foundation of a future ethnic-social-political tribe of Germans?

[rothaer]

I know that Reichsburgers are not promoting secession.
But supposedly they increasingly separate themselves from society, like Orthodox Jews or Mennonites.
Besides their monarchist beliefs, they tend to live together in rural areas (mostly in East Germany I think),
they are against vaccination, the medical system, the education system, many other things...
This is what I have read in mainstream American/British media, maybe this is wrong.

It's wrong. They don't live together. They are living all around, are a very heterogenous group and are Germans that out of various interests find the view attractive that the FRG is illegal and that the German Empire is the legal state in Germany.

As I said this is an opinion that I consider easier to motivate than that the FRG is legal. From a juridical aspect I share this view. We are then all Reichsbürger (citizens of the German Empire). The practical relevance is whether that view one time will gain enough supporters to be executed. I hope so. But I painted a future scenario when this question would not be relevant and that is if the FRG pariament one day would chose to dissolve the FRG in the same manner as the pariament of the GDR dissolved the GDR and then it's new founded states declared to enter the FRG. Nobody cares if the constitution of the GDR allowed that or not. If all do agree you can do what you want. I don't expect that a majority will now in an ideological sense follow the view of the Reichsbürger. They will not. But there will come the day when following such a view will be very advantagous and solve many problems that are knitted to the FRG. And out of such a situation such an agreement could evolve in the future. The dissolution of the GDR in the context of the reunification could be a road map.

The Reichsburgers are forming a tribe I think, and they will be perceived as different from everyone else,
IF Germany (and mainstream modern white Germans) continue changing beyond recognition.

This is impossible as no one, Reichsbürger as well as non-Reichsbürger, perceive people with a particular political view as another ethnos. It's as way off as stating that the Green-voters will in the future form an own ethnos.

IF the German state becomes more repressive and hostile to its declining native population,
then more native Germans will separate themselves from society,
and become Reichsburgers or other socially separatist tribes.

This is all completely unrelated to tribes that have a tousand years or more history and are coined by a separate dialect and culture in an own territory that is exclusively settled by that tribe. This is how German tribes are. Neither Mennonites nor Jehova's witnesses or Mormons do form a kind of tribe in Germany. If they are ethnic Germans they perceive themselves as such and are also perceived by others as that. They may be felt as an own tribe in America, because they do have another ethnicity, mostly German, I guess. But in Germany none of them do have another ethnicity.

What do you think of the Reichsburgers aside from their monarchist beliefs?

They have an opinion and nothing that could be called a belief.

They have no monarchist ideology. They refer to the pre 1918 Monarchy because this is the easiest and most clean way to explain the German Empire to be more legit than the FRG. I consider the German Empire per 1945 the juridically legit state in the borders of Novermber 1938 (in accordance with the Munich agreement and the right of self-determination of peoples). Also that state is much mor sympatethic to me as it was a state that was ethnically determined and had essentially just borders that followed the borders of the undisputed and legit settlement areas.

The majority of Reichsbürger prefer the constitutionally "kosher" way, because there was a revolution in 1918 that could make all that is based on that, including the following German Empire illegitimate. They don't want get that hold against them. But I say that is no problem, because all this will anyhow just be possible to execute when essentially all do agree on doing that and if all do agree, we can refer to the post-monarchy German Empire without any problem.

So again: They are not pro monarchy per se but the constitution from the monarchy is the last legally flawless and undisputed in it's legitimacy constitution in Germany. Also, they avoid to have to promote any controversial "nazi" stuff. In contrast, they can condem the post-1918 National Socialist state as illegal as well. The latter condemned the revolution in 1918 emphasisedly as a big crime but did not restore anything from before that revolution.

The most Reichsbürger have come to their opinion out of private reasons, such as losing the driving license, facing big tax claims and get their houses auctioned off by the state, get a prohibition for performing a particular profession etc. If considering the FRG illigitimate, then alse the burdening state measures of the FRG are illegal and the legal position of these individuals is much better. So what I stated could once become the reason to follow the Reichsbürger opinion, i. e. an interest in having a gain by that, solving other problems etc. is exactly what already has motivated many of those that are called Reichsbürger today.

What do you think about their other beliefs and lifestyle and coherence?

They have no common beliefs, they have no common life style and they have no coherence more than rejecting the FRG as an illegal entity.

Can they form the foundation of a future ethnic-social-political tribe of Germans?

No.

But they can give an inspiration how Germany can get rid of the FRG.

[CosmoLady]

It's wrong. They don't live together. They are living all around, are a very heterogenous group and are Germans that out of various interests find the view attractive that the FRG is illegal and that the German Empire is the legal state in Germany.

As I said this is an opinion that I consider easier to motivate than that the FRG is legal. From a juridical aspect I share this view. We are then all Reichsbürger (citizens of the German Empire). The practical relevance is whether that view one time will gain enough supporters to be executed. I hope so. But I painted a future scenario when this question would not be relevant and that is if the FRG pariament one day would chose to dissolve the FRG in the same manner as the pariament of the GDR dissolved the GDR and then it's new founded states declared to enter the FRG. Nobody cares if the constitution of the GDR allowed that or not. If all do agree you can do what you want. I don't expect that a majority will now in an ideological sense follow the view of the Reichsbürger. They will not. But there will come the day when following such a view will be very advantagous and solve many problems that are knitted to the FRG. And out of such a situation such an agreement could evolve in the future. The dissolution of the GDR in the context of the reunification could be a road map.



This is impossible as no one, Reichsbürger as well as non-Reichsbürger, perceive people with a particular political view as another ethnos. It's as way off as stating that the Green-voters will in the future form an own ethnos.



This is all completely unrelated to tribes that have a tousand years or more history and are coined by a separate dialect and culture in an own territory that is exclusively settled by that tribe. This is how German tribes are. Neither Mennonites nor Jehova's witnesses or Mormons do form a kind of tribe in Germany. If they are ethnic Germans they perceive themselves as such and are also perceived by others as that. They may be felt as an own tribe in America, because they do have another ethnicity, mostly German, I guess. But in Germany none of them do have another ethnicity.



They have an opinion and nothing that could be called a belief.

They have no monarchist ideology. They refer to the pre 1918 Monarchy because this is the easiest and most clean way to explain the German Empire to be more legit than the FRG. I consider the German Empire per 1945 the juridically legit state in the borders of Novermber 1938 (in accordance with the Munich agreement and the right of self-determination of peoples). Also that state is much mor sympatethic to me as it was a state that was ethnically determined and had essentially just borders that followed the borders of the undisputed and legit settlement areas.

The majority of Reichsbürger prefer the constitutionally "kosher" way, because there was a revolution in 1918 that could make all that is based on that, including the following German Empire illegitimate. They don't want get that hold against them. But I say that is no problem, because all this will anyhow just be possible to execute when essentially all do agree on doing that and if all do agree, we can refer to the post-monarchy German Empire without any problem.

So again: They are not pro monarchy per se but the constitution from the monarchy is the last legally flawless and undisputed in it's legitimacy constitution in Germany. Also, they avoid to have to promote any controversial "nazi" stuff. In contrast, they can condem the post-1918 National Socialist state as illegal as well. The latter condemned the revolution in 1918 emphasisedly as a big crime but did not restore anything from before that revolution.

The most Reichsbürger have come to their opinion out of private reasons, such as losing the driving license, facing big tax claims and get their houses auctioned off by the state, get a prohibition for performing a particular profession etc. If considering the FRG illigitimate, then alse the burdening state measures of the FRG are illegal and the legal position of these individuals is much better. So what I stated could once become the reason to follow the Reichsbürger opinion, i. e. an interest in having a gain by that, solving other problems etc. is exactly what already has motivated many of those that are called Reichsbürger today.



They have no common beliefs, they have no common life style and they have no coherence more than rejecting the FRG as an illegal entity.



No.

But they can give an inspiration how Germany can get rid of the FRG.

Thank you for your answer.
I have a broader view of what could be a tribe, going beyond ethnicity.
A tribe may also be political or social or religious. An economic tribe is a class.
All of these tribes can and do fight each other throughout history, even if they are the same ethnos.
Even geographic tribes of the same ethnicity have fought each other before.

The greens and antifas may be forming tribes as well, but I believe that they are less coherent,
lacking territory, a decent birth rate, and ethnic-cultural-historical identity.

But let me concentrate on the Reichsburgers.

I believe that they idealise and glorify the Kaiserreich, and its symbols,
because this is the only way to legally express national, cultural, historical pride.

They assert the illegitimacy of the FRG because this is the best way to express profound dissatisfaction with the current regime.
(The Third Reich is totally forbidden, but the Second Reich is not.)

I don't think that most Reichsburgers are lawyers or historians.
I think that their legal theories are just for publicity, or secondary.
Their real significance is that they are forming a parallel society, because they are disgusted by current Germany.
No doubt there are some eccentric characters as well, who are voluntary outcasts from mainstream society.

I see the Reichsburgers, currently, as a small tribe of eccentrics. But what if they grow?

I heard that 1/6 of Germans are pro-Deutsches Kaiserreich, which is another way of saying anti-FRG and nationalistic.
The numbers are higher among young people.
https://yougov.de/politics/articles/...narchie-zuruck

[CosmoLady]

About their other ideas:

The BBC and The Guardian are the lame, leftist, globalist, mainstream media sources that I use to get the official, "correct" opinion about various things.

Are they totally wrong? They might be. What do you think?

The BBC says:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63916812

In the depths of the countryside in eastern Germany, there's an invisible border.
The turrets of an imposing castle loom out of the treetops. A sign on its front door solemnly informs the visitor that they've entered - in effect - a new country.

The "Königreich Deutschland" (Kingdom of Germany) is a self-proclaimed independent state - complete with its own self-appointed king.

Peter the First, as he prefers to be known, receives us in a rather gloomy wood-panelled hall.
It's about a decade since his coronation - there was a ceremony, complete with orb and sceptre - and the foundation of his so-called kingdom, which mints its own money, prints its own ID cards and has its own flag.

He's what's known in Germany as a "Reichsbürger" (Citizen of the Reich), one of an estimated 21,000 people who are defined by the country's intelligence agencies as conspiracy theorists who don't recognise the legitimacy of the post-war German state. They've risen to prominence this week, with the arrest of 25 people in raids on Reichsbürger suspected of plotting to storm the German parliament building, the Reichstag, in a violent overthrow of the government.

King Peter says he has no such violent intentions.
But he does believe the German state to be "destructive and sick".
"I have no interest in being part of this fascist and satanic system," he says.

Mr Fitzek tells us he has about 5,000 citizens. He's expanding the kingdom, buying up land in Germany in order to set up a number of communities in which those people can ultimately live.

We visited one such outpost about 150 miles (240km) away from the king's castle.
Ancient trees surround the site of another old castle in the village of Bärwalde, an hour and a half's drive south of Berlin. Around 30 people live on the site either in the main building or caravans which scatter the lawn along the main driveway.

But the people here are proud of their home which they also consider to be kingdom territory.
Citizens don't pay German tax and won't send their children to school, which is illegal in Germany. They are bound by their own legal structure - presided over, I'm told, by King Peter - and ultimately they intend to have their own healthcare system.

"The kingdom can provide everything that you need in daily life. Food and nourishment, social security, all these systems are there," says Benjamin, who recently moved in with his young family and is responsible for PR.

For all their plans to build a sustainable green community, using modern technologies, citizens appear to have little faith in modern medicine.
No-one here is vaccinated against Covid-19, Benjamin told me. It's a common position for Reichsbürger, many of whom joined protests against measures to control the pandemic.



The Guardian is even more hysterical: "Far-right extremists stage rural land grab across Germany"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-grab-germany

A strategic rural land grab by rightwing extremists is taking place across Germany with the concerted aim of creating communities independent of the state, according to the domestic intelligence agency and government ministries.

Authorities and NGOs monitoring far-right groups say the members of the Reichsbürger movement who reject the post-1945 German state are making a targeted effort to establish parallel societies and infiltrate existing structures including schools, clubs and public offices.

According to a recent request for information to the federal interior ministry by Martina Renner of the opposition leftwing Die Linke party, rightwing extremist organisations have bought 40 properties across Germany in the past two years.

The figure indicates an acceleration of a pattern observed for more than a decade, in which hard-to-sell houses, pubs and farmland properties are being snapped up and used by the rightwing groups for everything from living space to birthing houses, sport halls and party venues.

“The properties are of less interest to Reichsbürger and the far-right scene as investments; rather they are utilised for establishing their parallel societies and creating spaces of fear for all those who don’t share their view of the world,” said Renner.

Among the most prominent organisations is the Königreich Deutschland (kingdom of Germany) or KRD, founded in 2012 in an elaborate ceremony, and boasting its own currency and constitution that gives it a state-like structure.

It has been pursuing expansionist aims by acquiring what it refers to as “national territory” by buying up land and real estate.

German authorities use the term Reichsbürger (citizens of the empire) to talk about all far-right groups that reject the Federal Republic of Germany and aim to overthrow the government, including the KRD, although it rejects the term.

The snug and secluded village of Rutenberg, a 90-minute drive north of Berlin in the state of Brandenburg, has become one of the latest targets of the KRD’s attempts to establish an autonomous community, or what its leader, the self-styled “King” Peter Fitzek, has labelled a Gemeinwohldorf (common good village).

The KRD first bought up a derelict farm grange in the centre of the village, named the Naturscheune or “nature barn”, with a view to it becoming a “public enterprise” to provide the KRD with organic food. According to the BfV domestic intelligence agency , it has plans to expand on to an adjoining 44 hectares (108 acres) of land on the edge of the village.

He and his followers – estimated to number between 2,000 and 5,000 – openly reject the modern German state and dream of taking it over and replacing it with their own realm. To this end the KRD already issues its own passports and has its own currency, the Engelgeld (angel money), and bank.

BfV officers say they have been watching the KRD and its “anti-democratic expansion ambitions” in Rutenberg since early 2022. They warn of its plans to buy up further properties and entice people sympathetic to their cause to move in.

The BfV says similar “Völkisch” (folkist or ethno-nationalist) land grabs are happening elsewhere in Germany, often in abandoned areas and neglected villages where life goes on largely unobserved.

‘How is it possible in the middle of Germany that a state within a state can emerge?’

Authorities estimate there are about 25,000 Reichsbürger and supporters of self-governance in Germany, and that numbers are steadily growing.

Is this all wrong? Are the BBC and the Guardian hysterical about nothing?

(I think that the Reichsburgers are harmless, I think that the recent 'putsch' was entrapment by the security services)

[rothaer]

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Is this all wrong? Are the BBC and the Guardian hysterical about nothing?

It's not wrong but it concerns maybe 1 promille of the Reichsbürger. Let there be 30 individuals living with Peter Fitzeck. And they can, ofc, not avoid paying taxes to the FRG state. They likely do avoid it but only because they are havenots and then it's in concordance with the FRG laws not to pay tax. Like some folks in a trailer park.

5,000 individuals may be that he sold own passports to. That are arbitrary Germans that live in whatever flat in whatever town in Germany. I'd also consider buying such a passport for principal reasons but that doesn't change my actual life here in any way.

Wrong is the question how an own state could emerge in the middle of Germany because considering the described facts there has not emerged an own state.

What is relevant indeed is that the number of individuals that reject the whole FRG is notably rising. The acceptance of this state is likely at its all-time low and that is even an undisputed condition that is also covered by the mainstream media. And people know what happened to the monarchy, to the Weimar republic and to the GDR.

The days of the FRG are counted (as we say in German when there is expressed that something will have its end). Let it be another state or the same state that becomes deeply changed.

[rothaer]

Thank you for your answer.
I have a broader view of what could be a tribe, going beyond ethnicity.
A tribe may also be political or social or religious. An economic tribe is a class.
All of these tribes can and do fight each other throughout history, even if they are the same ethnos.
Even geographic tribes of the same ethnicity have fought each other before.

The greens and antifas may be forming tribes as well, but I believe that they are less coherent,
lacking territory, a decent birth rate, and ethnic-cultural-historical identity.

But let me concentrate on the Reichsburgers.

I believe that they idealise and glorify the Kaiserreich, and its symbols,
because this is the only way to legally express national, cultural, historical pride.

They assert the illegitimacy of the FRG because this is the best way to express profound dissatisfaction with the current regime.
(The Third Reich is totally forbidden, but the Second Reich is not.)

I don't think that most Reichsburgers are lawyers or historians.
I think that their legal theories are just for publicity, or secondary.
Their real significance is that they are forming a parallel society, because they are disgusted by current Germany.
No doubt there are some eccentric characters as well, who are voluntary outcasts from mainstream society.

I see the Reichsburgers, currently, as a small tribe of eccentrics. But what if they grow?

I heard that 1/6 of Germans are pro-Deutsches Kaiserreich, which is another way of saying anti-FRG and nationalistic.
The numbers are higher among young people.
https://yougov.de/politics/articles/...narchie-zuruck

Essentially applicable but your imagination of a societal separation. If you detach yourself from the common language and redefine what a tribe is, than a tribe can be whatever, also a banana. What you describe is nothing what is called a tribe. This just harms a clear and effective communication.

The Kaiserreich is a proxy for expressing rejection. But it's also something that has never been notably politically targeted in Germany. This even applies to the time of the revolution in 1918. The ceasar resigned quickly without determining any successor so even monarchists were clueless what to do. Should they promote forcing a ceasar to rule that did not want? Or should they as monarchists promote to violate the constitution of the monarchy to by a revolution get another monarch? This is why you essentially had no political monarchists in Germany after the deliberate withdrawal of the ceasar. And because of that monarchists have never been notably politically targeted.

However, I want to point out that Reichsbürger in my perception are not particularly connected to the monarchy. They can be but they can as well refer to the post-1918 Reich.

[CosmoLady]

Essentially applicable but your imagination of a societal separation. If you detach yourself from the common language and redefine what a tribe is, than a tribe can be whatever, also a banana. What you describe is nothing what is called a tribe. This just harms a clear and effective communication.

Were there no Germanic tribes fighting each other in the ancient past? Even if they spoke the same language?

One might consider political-religious tribes fighting each other as well, like Catholics vs. Protestants in the past,
or IRA vs. Ulster Unionists or Bosnians vs. Serbs or Christians vs. Muslims in Lebanon more recently,
all with mostly the same language and ethnicity.
Are these not sectarian, tribal conflicts?

Why not in the future as well?
Political-cultural polarisation can be very dangerous, can become like the religious sectarianism of the secular era.
Add to the mix Turks, Kurds, Syrians...

The Kaiserreich is a proxy for expressing rejection. But it's also something that has never been notably politically targeted in Germany. This even applies to the time of the revolution in 1918. The ceasar resigned quickly without determining any successor so even monarchists were clueless what to do. Should they promote forcing a ceasar to rule that did not want? Or should they as monarchists promote to violate the constitution of the monarchy to by a revolution get another monarch? This is why you essentially had no political monarchists in Germany after the deliberate withdrawal of the ceasar. And because of that monarchists have never been notably politically targeted.

However, I want to point out that Reichsbürger in my perception are not particularly connected to the monarchy. They can be but they can as well refer to the post-1918 Reich.

The Kaiserreich is uncontroversial because the media/culture has not focused on it, the Third Reich and its ideas and energies are much more dangerous!

Do you think that the Reichsburgers, or anyone else, really likes or supports the Weimar Republic?

In demonstrations, most of the Reichsburgers' symbols/colours seem to be connected to the Kaiserreich.
Maybe they do not care for Kaiser Wilhelm II, but they are disgusted with the present and idealise the past.