Who has diverged more from traditional European culture and beliefs: Balkan Muslims or Mormons?

[Italicus]

Many do not wear hijab but many do. I visited a bosnian mosque here in austria. And many of them wear hijab and also seperate men and women, they do not even enter the mosque at the same door and they wear hijab. But many also dont. I know muslims who dont. That no one of them or collectively or even most of them do not wear hijab and do not believe in anything or Allah is very wrong. Majority somehow believes in Allah still even if they do not wear hijab they believe in Allah.

Also generally balkan people no matter christian or muslim look more western asian shifted then mormons do who are mostly british isles and german

Mosque where i visited, im actually friendly to them, and do not dislike them check the pictures they do wear hijabs and look less "european" in general then mormons, its not even a competition
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I agree on most of what you said, but plenty of Bosniaks are as white as snow.

[Italicus]

After the war, there are not much contact with them anymore.

Within Bosnia, vast majority of Serbs live in their own Republic, while Bosniaks and Croats are in their Federation.
Among younger generations, some of them never visited oposite part of Bosnia.

I'm talking about their pre Islamic ancestors in Bosnia proper. Imagine 500 years down the road your descendants die for a pedo prophet. Sick.

[Dušan]

I'm talking about their pre Islamic ancestors in Bosnia proper. Imagine 500 years down the road your descendants die for a pedo prophet. Sick.

True.

And not only that, but after conversion they treated those who did not convert and who remain Chriatians, as second class citizens and almost like slaves for 4 centuries.

[Mortimer]

I agree on most of what you said, but plenty of Bosniaks are as white as snow.

yes but generalising that they all do or most of them is wrong, maybe 1/3 but there is 1/3 for example who look like turkish people or half turkish people or similar they generally look less "european" then mormons im sure.

[Italicus]

True.

And not only that, but after conversion they treated those who did not convert and who remain Chriatians, as second class citizens and almost like slaves for 4 centuries.

In my honest opinion, they need to be reconverted to the Christian faith. I'd happily go on a mission to Sarajevo or Tirana to undo Ottoman damage.

[Italicus]

yes but generalising that they all do or most of them is wrong, maybe 1/3 but there is 1/3 for example who look like turkish people or half turkish people or similar they generally look less "european" then mormons im sure.

Mort, they are white Slavs. They just look like Croats or Serbs, not MENAS.

[Mortimer]

Mort, they are white Slavs. They just look like Croats or Serbs, not MENAS.

They are white of course, they are slavs yes, but i said generally the balkan region looks more western asian and caucasus shifted then northwestern europe where mormons are from if you want to compare the two i said generally. including serbs and many croats, greeks, albanians, bulgarians. sometimes balkan and caucasus is grouped into a similar phenotypical range by anthropologists. I mean white nationalists are idiots and say you are a troll if you say such things because they think you are divisive and anti-white but i just say how i see it. Look at the pictures, i saw them in real life and i know what they look but of course they are white.

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[Straightman]

Mortimer mentioned looks and insisted Utah Mormons look more European than Balkan Muslims. I think they look more Northern, not more European generally speaking. But this is supposed to be about culture and civilization, not looks. I also was mistaken to bring up something like honor killings, since that is rare in the Balkans I think and is generally more representative of extremist minority among Muslims and not all or even not most Muslims. But leaving aside honor killings, Balkan Muslims are still the more exotic because they have customs like the month long Ramadan fasting when they don't drink or eat anything from sunrise to sunset, wearing of hijab for many women, they have a real cult for Muhammed who can't even be drawn as we know, don't usually drink alcohol because Islam forbids it(as does Mormonism), may have more than one wife, go on pilgrimage to Mecca, have their baby sons circumcised( I know this is typical for most Americans too, but not for Europeans) and I think are much more likely to fall into religious fanaticism than are Christians. It should also be remembered that Muslim empires like the Ottoman Empire and the Moors were traditional enemies of Christian Europe. Some of you will say that this religious stuff should not be made to seem so important anymore, now that Europe and America are increasingly irreligious and more so with passing decade, but Christianity is one of the main 'ingredients' of European civilization and it would not be the same without this influence.

[Italicus]

They are white of course, they are slavs yes, but i said generally the balkan region looks more western asian and caucasus shifted then northwestern europe where mormons are from if you want to compare the two i said generally. including serbs and many croats, greeks, albanians, bulgarians. sometimes balkan and caucasus is grouped into a similar phenotypical range by anthropologists. I mean white nationalists are idiots and say you are a troll if you say such things because they think you are divisive and anti-white but i just say how i see it. Look at the pictures, i saw them in real life and i know what they look but of course they are white.

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I honestly don't think phenotypes should be a part of this discussion. Italians, Iberians, Greeks and Jews had tremendous ripples in European culture, but they're dark.

[Mortimer]

I honestly don't think phenotypes should be a part of this discussion. Italians, Iberian, Greeks and Jews had tremendous ripples in European culture, but they're dark.

Ok but generally in a american context for example a mormon is more the epitome of a "redneck" a balkan is a little bit "ethniikid" i think that does play a bit a role or could but ok. That is such a impression you have. I dont know how its in europe and mormons are very rare in europe. I never met a mormon but i know there are missionaries and such here too.