Sex as weapon

[Mortimer]

In many cultures and languages to fuck someone means to degrade embarass someone for some to be fucked is worse then to be killed when actually sex should be for procreation and love. Do you think its something only humans know and do or it exists in animals too?

[Tooting Carmen]

It is ambiguous whether rape as such exists among other species.

[tropicalslavic]

It is ambiguous whether rape as such exists among other species.

Right. When I think of what looks like sexual violence between dolphins or cats (apparently the male cat's penis is very painful to the female cat due to it's texture), I wonder if there could ever be an objective measure of whether or not this counts as rape. On one hand, they are just animals who operate on instinct, don't have a conscience, and nature only cares that they reproduce and don't die prematurely. On the other, you can see that they are in pain and seem to sometimes have painful/forced sex as a bonding/leisure activity (bonding for a group of male dolphins for example).

I think this also ties in with my belief that people are really stupid when they project human emotions/intentions onto animals ("my dog loves me unconditionally", "my cat won't like you if you're not a good person"), because we are talking about animals with no moral compass and very limited emotions. They eat their own babies and have excruciatingly painful sex for the sole purpose of procreation. I'm not sure they are capable of much more than this.

[Italicus]

Mort, what the fuck....

[Universe]

It is ambiguous whether rape as such exists among other species.

Have you seen roosters fucking female chickens? During the intercourse the roosters bite the feathers on the female's head so the female can't go away. That is rape.

[tropicalslavic]

Have you seen roosters fucking female chickens? During the intercourse the roosters bite the feathers on the female's head so the female can't go away. That is rape.

Do the chickens even have enough of an understanding of consent and whatnot for it to matter though?

[Italicus]

Do the chickens even have enough of an understanding of consent and whatnot for it to matter though?

Not to sound like an SJW, but if it is forced upon its pretty much rape IMO. They probably don't like it.

[oszkar07]

Right. When I think of what looks like sexual violence between dolphins or cats (apparently the male cat's penis is very painful to the female cat due to it's texture), I wonder if there could ever be an objective measure of whether or not this counts as rape. On one hand, they are just animals who operate on instinct, don't have a conscience, and nature only cares that they reproduce and don't die prematurely. On the other, you can see that they are in pain and seem to sometimes have painful/forced sex as a bonding/leisure activity (bonding for a group of male dolphins for example).

I think this also ties in with my belief that people are really stupid when they project human emotions/intentions onto animals ("my dog loves me unconditionally", "my cat won't like you if you're not a good person"), because we are talking about animals with no moral compass and very limited emotions. They eat their own babies and have excruciatingly painful sex for the sole purpose of procreation. I'm not sure they are capable of much more than this.

Many people don't have a creationist view.

Such that if you follow a evolutionist view then essentially humans are also a part of the mammal/animal species of this earth/planet.

Incredibly and what would seperate humans from all other creatures is the evolution and civilisation.

Some theorist believe ET's interferred with our DNA that causeed a rapid evolution.

Point is that probably at a point in time prior to this further along evolutionary development humans may have behaved very differently prior to
more structured societal/tribe/group behaviours developed. Such that killings and rapes may have been not very strange amongst early humans.
Not the sort of thing that made any newspaper or TV headline but rather a part of the law of the jungle behaviours.

Many renowned warrioir groups that we all hold in some admiration in history lessons such as Vikings, Mongols, etc were often a bunch of murderers and rapists, that essentially conquered, killed, raped and plundered on there merry way.

As we became more evolved and spiritual and nuanced , humans developed laws and societal behaviours that discouraged such behaviours. But prior to this in certain time was most likely a different story.
Perhaps this has some connection to the idea that mankind is born into sin.
After we became evolved and civilised and spiritual we recognised perhaps these other older behaviours were sin/ destructive to human community/society/tribe.

[Petalpusher]

Dolphins organize gang rapes willingly and kill for fun. Intelligence benefits and negatives are a sinusoidal function. Also a very human perspective.

[Incal]

Sex is some sort of violence but it's fucking delicious.