Do you consider Bulgarians Slavic?

[Psycho]

Both Aromanians, Albanians, and northern parts of Greece are closer to North Macedonians than Bulgarians from what I seen

Copenhagen

[Psycho]

Macedonians are little less Slavic and more paleo-Balkanic/Roman than Bulgarians. The closest population to Macedonians are Aromanians and Bulgarians are no2.

Are Macedonians closer to western or eastern Bulgarians?
(Since it is obvious that they are closer to southern than northern Bulgarians)

[Varda]

The Turkic in this chart is really Mongoloid right? Russians have it from Finno-Ugrics, not Turkics. Still I am surprised to see them have over 10%. The Germanic ireally Celto-Germanic right? I am also surprised to see there is Paleo-Balkan and Roman in Germany and quite significant too... What is that really?

Finno-Ugric would fit better for Russians.

Germans have some southern influence, especially Bavarians and other southern Germans. It is probably something from Roman period. Calculator up recognized that as paleo-Balkan/Roman like in the Russian case recognized Finno-Ugric as Turkic.

[MrCuriosity]

Yes, Finno-Ugric would fit better for Russians.

Germans have some southern influence, especially Bavarians and other southern Germans. It probably something from Roman period. Calculator up recognized that as paleo-Balkan/Roman like in the Russian case recognized Finno-Ugric as Turkic.

But their Turkic is all Mongoloid right? Do Russians really have that much? And Bulgarians have nothing from Bulgars? Odd.

[Psycho]

But their Turkic is all Mongoloid right? Do Russians really have that much? And Bulgarians have nothing from Bulgars? Odd.

It is fake most likely

[Live The Magic]

Copenhagen

Why is that weird? Do you think someone from Ohrid or Tetovo is genetically closer to Bulgarians than Albanians for example? They are just culturally more like Bulgarians.

[Varda]

But their Turkic is all Mongoloid right? Do Russians really have that much? And Bulgarians have nothing from Bulgars? Odd.

Turkic is only partly mongoloid (East Eurasian). Mongoloid influence in Bulgarians is very small, it is 'voice' actually. It is not enought to be recognized by many calculator even as tiny Turkic or something.

[MrCuriosity]

Turkic is only patly mongoloid (East Eurasian). Bulgarian mongoloid influence is very small, it is 'voice' actually. It is not enought to be recognized by many calculator even as tiny Turkic or something.

So Turkic really includes Iranian too or other European? Do they define it or have a breakdown of its components? Germanic has to be Celto-Germanic and often mostly Celtic really.

[Dušan]

So Turkic really includes Iranian too or other European? Do they define it or have a breakdown of its components? Germanic has to be Celto-Germanic and often mostly Celtic really.

It is K13, three years ago, with this source:

Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24 .62,3.48,30,9.21,28.33,4.36,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_y bp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0,0,0.38,0,0 ,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,13.49,0,24.28,1.26,35.08,12.33,0,1.72,0.41,0,0.6 ,8.28,2.57
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,15.29,0.52,23.55,5.43,37.6,11.68,0,0.2,0,0,0.26,4 .42,1.06
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,0.53,0,15.4,20.48,43.2,14.76,1.31,1.03,0,0,0,3.29 ,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,1.97,0,17.54,19.13,43.1,13.27,2.48,0,0,0,0,2.51 ,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,2.93,0,17.45,22.44,37.8,13.78,2.1,0.71,0,0.02,0 .31,2.45,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,8.7,0,21.47,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0,0.76,0.1 4,1.91,0.03
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.7,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0,0.32, 0.39,1.9,0.44
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,12.66,2.53,24.25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0,1.14,0,0,1.4, 1.69,0.89
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,3.21,2.28,19.34,21.39,41.91,10.3,0,0,0,0.19,0,1.3 8,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,8.62,0,22.68,21.74,35.29,9.37,0,0.37,0,0.21,0.47, 1.25,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,11.96,1.16,19.72,17.3,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03, 0.19,0,1.21,0.41
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,2.31,0,13.79,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0,0,0,0,1.07, 0.14
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,22.71,9.87,15.99,12.66,27.94,6.69,0.86,1.18,0,0 ,1.29,0.81,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,3.62,3.3,16.77,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0,0,0.82,0, 0.77,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,17.98,5.83,21.98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0,0,0.29,0.72,0 .51,0.64,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,16.86,0.47,16.98,14.67,40.12,7.56,1.33,1.13,0,0 .31,0,0.57,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,16.25,8.08,21.47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0,0,0,0.2,1.31, 0.53,0.15
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0,0,0 ,0.26,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Im perial,15.24,4.84,25.65,22.02,27.75,3.78,0,0,0,0,0 .54,0.18,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,13.7,7.83,17.2,21.18,31.85,6.18,0.1,0,1.17,0,0. 7,0.07,0.01
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17 .48,7.33,22.76,15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0,0,0.18,0.49 ,0,1.37
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,12.8,5.92,19.69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0,0,0, 0,0.87
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Im perial,6.85,0,21.95,22.6,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75,0,0, 0.22,0,0.71
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R32_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval _Italy,15.10,6.10,27.02,17.20,26.77,5.20,0.00,0.37 ,0.00,0.07,0.74,0.00,1.44
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,18.55,6.06,22.93,13.3,31.22,5.99,0,1.15,0,0.4,0, 0,0.4
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,1.92,0,18.71,28.11,41.51,8.68,0,0,0,0.45,0.34,0,0 .28
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,14.72,0,23,19.52,36.2,5.66,0,0.47,0.15,0,0,0,0.27
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,25.73,7.27,26.59,13.06,25.7,1.65,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,25.73,4.01,26.05,11.36,28.27,3.92,0,0,0,0.46,0.2 ,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia l,17.19,6.78,18.04,19.02,29.56,7.35,0.58,0.77,0,0. 7,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Im perial,12.03,4.13,19.45,20.54,37.07,3.99,0,0.97,0, 0,1.83,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Im perial,2.63,8.5,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0,0,0,0.84, 0.55,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,16.53,4.64,21.39,18.62,31.87,3.82,1.51,0,0.43,0 .3,0.89,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,10.35,3.4,22.3,23.93,31.78,7.44,0.06,0,0,0,0.73 ,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,5.31,0,12.6,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0,0,0,0, 0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,9.38,2.57,24.97,19.78,34.82,5.66,0,1.74,0.29,0.78 ,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,12.19,0,22.2,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0,0,0.08,0.65, 0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,14.45,0,23.48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,20.47,1.28,20.11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0,0.17,0,0.59,1 .88,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,7.81,1.07,23.57,24.26,37.48,4.96,0,0,0,0,0.85,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,12.48,4.41,24.55,22.98,33.7,0.54,0,0.59,0,0.5,0.2 5,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,6.09,0.06,20.33,24.54,44.64,3.4,0,0,0,0,0.94,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,10.24,0,22.92,19.04,41.2,5.12,0,0,0.57,0,0.91,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,5.76,2.77,22.82,22.14,43.72,2.03,0,0.1,0,0.27,0.3 9,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial ,11.54,2.43,22.21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0,0,0,0.74 ,0,0
Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17 .9,4.35,25.43,19.62,29.98,1.61,0,0,0,0.28,0.83,0,0
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_135 6_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0,1.56 ,0.94,0,0.46,0
Slavic:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,4 5.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0.00,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64 ,0.42,0.00
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26, 8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.5 3,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63, 3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.3 7,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14. 97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11 .7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43. 78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0. 87
Slavic:KRA011_S-Anhalt_1100_AD,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.3 ,0.14,0,1.4,1.27,1.1,0.21
Slavic:KRA001_S-Anhalt_1100_AD,25.47,47.56,12.36,7.54,1.32,0,2.43, 0.52,0.01,1.2,0.71,0.61,0.27
Slavic:VK494_Poland_Sandomierz,32.56,47.37,12.86,2 .56,0,0,0.82,2.53,0.31,0.22,0,0.77,0
Slavic:VK466_Russia_Gnezdovo,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.8 2,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.69
Slavic:VK340_Denmark_Jutland,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02 ,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Germanic:VK70_Denmark_Sealand,52.29,23.74,12.54,6. 47,0.3,0,0.81,1.13,0.06,1.05,0.67,0,0.94
Germanic:VK71_Denmark_Sealand,50.44,30.82,9.69,0.5 9,2.98,0,0,0,0,1.69,3.35,0,0.45
Germanic:VK296_Denmark_Sealand,47.81,32.58,6.95,3. 19,0.95,3.53,0.65,0.12,0.46,1.63,0.74,1.39,0
Germanic:VK297_Denmark_Sealand,50.8,29.78,9.51,3.3 7,0,1.41,0.27,0.5,3.26,0.29,0.61,0,0.21
Germanic:AED106_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.38,30.61,9.37,10.33,0.00,0.05,0.82,0.00,0.00,1 .56,1.13,0.05,0.70
Germanic:AED249_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.91,36.06,8.53,3.83,0.00,2.62,1.36,1.26,0.42,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:NW255a_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1476_ybp ,52.54,25.61,7.98,6.28,0.00,5.74,0.00,0.00,0.07,0. 00,0.37,0.00,1.41
Germanic:STR316b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_yb p,56.84,24.99,10.89,0.62,0.00,0.00,1.23,0.17,1.56, 1.93,0.52,0.82,0.42
Germanic:STR480_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp ,48.57,26.47,16.11,4.79,0.00,1.51,0.93,0.87,0.63,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.13
TurkicA101_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1716_ybp,1 5.48,20.81,0.00,25.74,0.00,0.00,10.64,6.48,15.16,4 .45,0.00,0.00,1.24
TurkicA104_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1600_ybp,1 6.18,18.94,0.00,18.27,0.00,0.00,8.84,7.48,25.18,4. 61,0.15,0.35,0.00
TurkicA105_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_son.DA104. SG_1783_ybp,15.25,20.57,0.86,20.19,0.00,0.00,6.40, 8.60,25.03,3.10,0.00,0.00,0.00
TurkicA385_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1467_ybp,1 5.92,19.74,0.00,17.23,0.00,0.00,8.70,8.58,24.42,4. 84,0.00,0.00,0.56
TurkicA65_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1511_ybp,23 .89,17.03,0.00,14.40,0.00,0.00,5.83,10.23,21.70,5. 38,0.04,0.00,1.49
TurkicA66_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1447_ybp,14 .78,23.68,0.00,13.28,0.00,0.00,9.32,7.37,24.16,3.4 6,2.08,0.00,1.86
TurkicA69_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1516_ybp,17 .53,18.31,0.00,24.71,1.09,0.00,9.68,5.25,20.35,2.8 9,0.20,0.00,0.00

[MrCuriosity]

Does anyone know about the study two years ago where they said that South & Central Italians are like 40-50% MENA slaves of Roman era? Is that true or has that study been flawed and debunked?