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    Economic prosperity and security are important without a doubt, but if it is in exchange for living in an oppressive environment with a government that does not offer guarantees that your freedom or physical integrity will be respected as a citizen, where any type of opposition, dissent or criticism of the regime is susceptible to being repressed and where the foundations have been established so that there is no hope for peaceful change...


    About the economic improvement, we can talk about how much immigrants' remittances have contributed to economic improvement.

    El éxodo masivo de venezolanos ha sido uno de los temas más importantes en los últimos años debido a sus implicaciones sociales, económicas, políticas y regulatorias. Se estima que el número de refugiados y migrantes venezolanos en el mundo superó los 6 millones de personas en febrero 2022. Muchos venezolanos han optado por emigrar para tener mejores condiciones de vida y también para contribuir a mejorar la situación económica de sus familias a través del envío de remesas. Desde 2016, el envío de remesas ha sido una fuente creciente de ingresos para una gran parte de hogares venezolanos. Se utilizan datos de la Encuesta Nacional de Condiciones de Vida para evaluar el aporte de las remesas al ingreso de las familias receptoras y su impacto distributivo, así como para reflejar el papel que desempeñan en la pobreza por ingreso. Los resultados del estudio sugieren que el 18% de los hogares son receptores de remesas, sin embargo, el promedio de remesas recibidas esconde una gran heterogeneidad. El flujo de remesas tiende a ser regresivo en el sentido que su peso como proporción del ingreso total es mayor en los hogares más ricos. Las remesas representan un importante complemento del ingreso familiar, con un rol creciente en el sostenimiento de su bienestar.
    Remesas, pobreza y distribución del ingreso en Venezuela: un análisis a partir de los microdatos de encuestas de hogares


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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post


    Most of the immigrants to Spain from Venezuela are middle class people, professionals or people more educated trained than the average inmigrant.

    I do not doubt that there has been an improvement in some areas, but apparently in some others it must have worsened, because more and more are coming. (data for 2023 is missing but I doubt that the trend has changed drastically in one year)

    So...What could influence the most educated people to leave more than ever if the only important thing were security and a certain economic prosperity?

    I can imagine it.
    But the thing is that many of those middle to upper class professional Venezuelans in Spain emigrated there when Venezuela was in its worse moment (6-10 years ago). I don't doubt some might still be emigrating there, but that's the effect of having some family member(s) already living in Spain. Nowadays, unlike in the recent past, when only middle to upper class Venezuelans were emigrating, now many lower class Venezuelans (many of them delinquent) have been emigrating (thanks god, not to Spain), and that is being good for Venezuela. I have hopes that the emigration of middle class educated Venezuelans slows down, and eventually many of them eventually return back to Venezuela. Not because I live in Venezuela or have plans to live in there again, but I would like things to get better in the country I was born and grew up, and that it turns out being a nicer and more visitable country, because I would like to visit it, and see it doing well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    But the thing is that many of those middle to upper class professional Venezuelans in Spain emigrated there when Venezuela was in its worse moment (6-10 years ago). I don't doubt some might still be emigrating there, but that's the effect of having some family member(s) already living in Spain. Nowadays, unlike in the recent past, when only middle to upper class Venezuelans were emigrating, now many lower class Venezuelans (many of them delinquent) have been emigrating (thanks god, not to Spain), and that is being good for Venezuela. I have hopes that the emigration of middle class educated Venezuelans slows down, and eventually many of them eventually return back to Venezuela. Not because I live in Venezuela or have plans to live in there again, but I would like things to get better in the country I was born and grew up, and that it turns out being a nicer and more visitable country, because I would like to visit it, and see it doing well.
    Espero que realmente le vaya bien a Venezuela incluso aunque prefiera que el régimen actual desapareciera.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    But the thing is that many of those middle to upper class professional Venezuelans in Spain emigrated there when Venezuela was in its worse moment (6-10 years ago). I don't doubt some might still be emigrating there, but that's the effect of having some family member(s) already living in Spain. Nowadays, unlike in the recent past, when only middle to upper class Venezuelans were emigrating, now many lower class Venezuelans (many of them delinquent) have been emigrating (thanks god, not to Spain), and that is being good for Venezuela. I have hopes that the emigration of middle class educated Venezuelans slows down, and eventually many of them eventually return back to Venezuela. Not because I live in Venezuela or have plans to live in there again, but I would like things to get better in the country I was born and grew up, and that it turns out being a nicer and more visitable country, because I would like to visit it, and see it doing well.
    Los venezolanos siguen emigrando en cantidades importantes a España. Es después de los colombianos, la segunda nacionalidad que más ha emigrado a España en los últimos años. Y de clase media alta ni de palo. Numéricamente la mayoría de los venezolanos que han emigrado a España siempre han sido de clase media-baja y baja, porque entre otras cosas, son muchos más que el resto. Por eso, los venezolanos que hay en España son fenotipicamente bastante representativos de la población venezolana. Es decir, muy poco blanco, y mulato-negro, y si prácticamente una gran mayoría de población mezclada mestiza-parda. Es por eso que si que me creo la teoría que la población venezolana originaria era homogénea fuertemente mezclada y que los blancos y mulatos-negros son en su gran mayoría provenientes de migraciones recientes que vinieron durante el siglo XX, y que se concentran en las ciudades más importantes. Curiosamente entre el lumpen que está emigrando actualmente a los EEUU si que veo mayor proporción de mulatos comparado con los venezolanos que veo en España. Claramente el régimen está utilizando la migración para librarse de la mayor chusma del país. Creo que el resto de los países latinoamericanos están hasta las narices de Venezuela y su gobierno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perikolez View Post
    Los venezolanos siguen emigrando en cantidades importantes a España. Es después de los colombianos, la segunda nacionalidad que más ha emigrado a España en los últimos años. Y de clase media alta ni de palo. Numéricamente la mayoría de los venezolanos que han emigrado a España siempre han sido de clase media-baja y baja, porque entre otras cosas, son muchos más que el resto. Por eso, los venezolanos que hay en España son fenotipicamente bastante representativos de la población venezolana. Es decir, muy poco blanco, y mulato-negro, y si prácticamente una gran mayoría de población mezclada mestiza-parda. Es por eso que si que me creo la teoría que la población venezolana originaria era homogénea fuertemente mezclada y que los blancos y mulatos-negros son en su gran mayoría provenientes de migraciones recientes que vinieron durante el siglo XX, y que se concentran en las ciudades más importantes. Curiosamente entre el lumpen que está emigrando actualmente a los EEUU si que veo mayor proporción de mulatos comparado con los venezolanos que veo en España. Claramente el régimen está utilizando la migración para librarse de la mayor chusma del país. Creo que el resto de los países latinoamericanos están hasta las narices de Venezuela y su gobierno.
    Si lo que esta ne negritas es cierto, BRAVO!, de ser cierto eso, de verdad que es para pensarme seriamente si volverme Chavista/Madurista.

    En cuanto a los Venezolanos en España creo que estas exagerando cuando dices que casi todos son de clase media baja y baja, y que casi ninguno de ellos es blanco, cuando es sabido que muchos Venezolanos hijos y nietos de Españoles han emigrado a España por ser el pais de sus padres o abuelos, y en un tiempo no muy lejano, esos eran los que mas emigraban a España. Lo que pasa es que se notan menos porque la mayoria de ellos (los que son blancos de pura cepa porque ambos padres son Españoles, o que al menos son de ochenta y pico % Europeos para arriba, y son hijos de padre o madre Española, o tienen al menos dos abuelos Españoles) se mimetizan facilmente entre la poblacion Española sin que nadie los tome por panchitos.

    Yo abrigo esperanzas de que muchos de esos terminen decidiendo regresarse a Venezuela dentro de un mediano o largo plazo, gracias a que la situacion en Venezuela mejore. No lo digo porque tenga nada contra España, sino simplemente porque me gustaria ver que mi pais natal, donde naci y creci, recupere al menos buena parte de su poblacion Eurodescendiente que estuvo emigrando de Venezuela durante sus peores años.
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    Venezuelan Youtuber Ey Graffe showing how nice is life nowadays in the cities of San Antonio de Los Altos, Carrizal and Los Teques, all of them satellite cites of Caracas, located in the area known as "Los Altos Mirandinos" (highlands of Miranda state), few miles southwest from Caracas:



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    Video from only 13 hours ago...

    Supermarket in Maracay, Aragua NOWADAYS (2024). See all the empty shelves and the starving people fighting even over a crust of bread :



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