Who looks more alike: White Americans and White Canadians or White Argentinians and White Brazilians

[alnortedelsur]

Most likely White Americans and Canadians. Same heritage. German, British, Irish mix. Argentinians are mostly Italian and Brazilians Iberian.

Argentinian European ancestry is mostly Italian AND Spanish, not only Italian, lol

[Septentrion]

It is definitely not more Latin. Quebec is French-British mixed. Nowhere in Canada is as Latin as almost anywhere in US, full stop

There are places in Canada that are extremely Latin ( in this case extremely French!). It is not everyone that’s British or Anglo-Saxon admixed in Quebec. Many Québécois can look pretty French.

[MrCuriosity]

Non-French White Canadians and White Americans have the same exact European components and probably in similar proportions. Don't exaggerate how British and Irish Canadians are. I voted Yanks and Canadians, but should have voted both in equal measure perhaps. Not much difference between white cariocas and argies, either.

[MrCuriosity]

There are places in Canada that are extremely Latin ( in this case extremely French!). It is not everyone that’s British or Anglo-Saxon admixed in Quebec. Many Québécois can look pretty French.

French Canadians have been studied by genealogists and geneticists and are overwhelmingly descended from French colonial settlers from the 17th century. Just 10.000 of them initially and some came in the 18th century too, but not too many. They are like on average 10% other European(British Isles,German and a little Italian too I think) from assimilated immigrants in Quebec, but vast majority of past European immigrants to Quebec in the past were assimilated to Anglophone minority in Quebec. They also have like 1-2 % Amerindian according to two different studies I've seen. They are quite French. Anglophone minority in Quebec used to be larger and majority in Montreal until late in the 20th century. It declined after early 70s Quebecois politicians made French sole official language of province.

[tropicalslavic]

White Americans are such a mixed bag.

In the South, you have mostly people like my husband who are entirely descended from the British Isles, with trace amounts of other Western European groups at most. I am talking like 1/8 German or Spanish (in his case Norwegian). Families living here since before the country was founded and pretty much only coming from that mixture.

In the North (and West), you have white people descended from every corner of Europe. For example there are not really many people in the South who are part Polish or part Greek without it being from people who moved here within the past century - virtually unheard of outside of big cities, which are not representative of the South culturally/ethnically anyway IMHO. In other parts of the country, you have significantly more Eastern and Southern European mixture. Midwestern people are largely German and Scandinavian. Southwest does have a lot more Mediterranean. Pacific Northwest has everything.

So it makes it difficult to say what a "white American" looks like, really.

I voted "both in equal measure", because as far as I'm aware, Brazilians and Argentinians have similar European elements floating around their countries. Although I do think they have a bit more common with each other than US and Canadians do, but not by enough to make me feel like I could ever tell a Canadian and American apart just by looks alone (unless the Canadian was ultra-French looking).

[MrCuriosity]

Anglo-Canadians are in sizeable part descended from late 18th, 19th and early 20th century American migrants, which explains why Canadian English is so almost identical with American English, especially pronunciation,the accent etc. Canadians also have a good amount of German, Scandinavian, Polish ,Italian and other Euro ancestry like Americans. I think some of you exaggerate how non-British Isles White Americans are and how British Isles Canadians are. Canadians are probably just a little more British by blood.

[Creoda]

Anglo-Canadians are in sizeable part descended from late 18th, 19th and early 20th century American migrants, which explains why Canadian English is so almost identical with American English, especially pronunciation,the accent etc. Canadians also have a good amount of German, Scandinavian, Polish ,Italian and other Euro ancestry like Americans. I think some of you exaggerate how non-British Isles White Americans are and how British Isles Canadians are. Canadians are probably just a little more British by blood.

I agree. Canada's average AncestryDNA result from 2017:

It would look different now since the categories were refined and improved, but still, pretty mixed indeed. Not all that different from the US averages on 23andme. Only Atlantic Canada is overwhelmingly British Isles.

[Septentrion]

White Americans are such a mixed bag.

In the South, you have mostly people like my husband who are entirely descended from the British Isles, with trace amounts of other Western European groups at most. I am talking like 1/8 German or Spanish (in his case Norwegian). Families living here since before the country was founded and pretty much only coming from that mixture.

In the North (and West), you have white people descended from every corner of Europe. For example there are not really many people in the South who are part Polish or part Greek without it being from people who moved here within the past century - virtually unheard of outside of big cities, which are not representative of the South culturally/ethnically anyway IMHO. In other parts of the country, you have significantly more Eastern and Southern European mixture. Midwestern people are largely German and Scandinavian. Southwest does have a lot more Mediterranean. Pacific Northwest has everything.

So it makes it difficult to say what a "white American" looks like, really.

I voted "both in equal measure", because as far as I'm aware, Brazilians and Argentinians have similar European elements floating around their countries. Although I do think they have a bit more common with each other than US and Canadians do, but not by enough to make me feel like I could ever tell a Canadian and American apart just by looks alone (unless the Canadian was ultra-French looking).

White Americans are pretty much very European as a whole (98.6% European by DNA). The most “Anglo-Saxon” states in America (per capita) are not in the Deep South as you said. These are the top 7 Anglo-Saxon states in the US :
1) Utah (Midwestern)
2) Maine (Northeastern)
3) Idaho (Midwestern)
4) Vermont (Northeastern)
5) New Hampshire (Northeastern)
6) Montana (Western)
7) Oregon (Western)

[Septentrion]

I agree. Canada's average AncestryDNA result from 2017:

It would look different now since the categories were refined and improved, but still, pretty mixed indeed. Not all that different from the US averages on 23andme. Only Atlantic Canada is overwhelmingly British Isles.

This is pretty misleading as you are looking at the entire Canadian nation. You should look more at specific groups.

[MrCuriosity]

White Americans are pretty much very European as a whole (98.6% European by DNA). The most “Anglo-Saxon” states in America (per capita) are not in the Deep South as you said. These are the top 7 Anglo-Saxon states in the US :
1) Utah (Midwestern)
2) Maine (Northeastern)
3) Idaho (Midwestern)
4) Vermont (Northeastern)
5) New Hampshire (Northeastern)
6) Montana (Western)
7) Oregon (Western)

You are basing it on self reported ancestry in the US census, which is rubbish. It is well known English ancestry is highly unreported in their census. Of course Southern whites are the most English and British Isles(Scottish, Welsh, Scots-Irish and Irish too) descended Americans on average. And Utah and Idaho are Western, not Midwestern.