Progressive vs. Primitive Traits Checklist

[Vulpix]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[dralos]

i think i'm progressive,have small teeths a long neck,weak brow ridge fine hair

[Osprey]

Sculpted Lips/Swollen Lips

[dralos]

forgot to mention long straight legs,big lips

[ficuscarica]

I´m a mix.

[Atlantic Islander]

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[PetiteParisienne]

I'm mostly progressive.

[The Alchemist]

I'm quiet progressive but i'm not so obsessed by it. And there are some archaic traits that i like, like prominent cheekbones, big eyes and big teeth (but not too much). And i dislike too pronounced chin. My chin just follow the line of my profile. Plus, i have narrow small nose, rounded forehead, full cheeks, medium full lips, rather big eyes, small ears, small feet and hands, very long neck, medium sized legs and arms, quiet tiny weist (65 cm), ugly thick hair :P :P That's how i am.

[Osprey]

I'm quiet progressive but i'm not so obsessed by it. And there are some archaic traits that i like, like prominent cheekbones, big eyes and big teeth (but not too much). And i dislike too pronounced chin. My chin just follow the line of my profile. Plus, i have narrow small nose, rounded forehead, full cheeks, medium full lips, rather big eyes, small ears, small feet and hands, very long neck, medium sized legs and arms, quiet tiny weist (65 cm), ugly thick hair :P :P That's how i am.

You're a petite princess

[The Alchemist]

You're a petite princess

Tnx :D Btw i'm not that petite, i'm 1.73, just an average height..

[Queen B]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears -> normal
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose -> A mix :lol:
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso -> Normal
Short arms / Long arms -> Normal
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis -> Dunno :lol:
Long straight legs / Short legs
My eyes and my hair are surely primitive , most of the rest are normal or progressive.

[Mordid]

^U're a freak, I knew it.

[The Alchemist]

My eyes and my hair are surely primitive , most of the rest are normal or progressive.

Same here :D Plus, i have very small hands and feet in proportion with the rest (almost child alike), small nose and narrow lips. I dunno if those features are archaic or progressive, but sometimes i see myself as a lenghtened child. I think i'm quiet infantilized (i also have a child soft skin now, at mid 20's) :D

[Queen B]

Same here :D Plus, i have very small hands and feet in proportion with the rest (almost child alike), small nose and narrow lips. I dunno if those features are archaic or progressive, but sometimes i see myself as a lenghtened child. I think i'm quiet infantilized (i also have a child soft skin now, at mid 20's) :D
We are primitives :lol:
I have normal hands/feet, and big lips (chimp :lol:)
I don't know which of those are considered archaic though

[Siegfried]

So, am I primitive or progressive?

Me (from how much I've developed so far):

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw (somewhere in the middle)
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Europa]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Geronimo]

I'd say I'm 50/50, maybe slightly on the progressive side.

[ricko0812]

im so primitive it hurts ,:coffee:i cant spot one progressive thing on me, oh well. but thats okay , thats they way the girls over here like it:p

[finþaų]

I'm going to list my traits as well.

Fine hair / Coarse hair - Fine, somewhat wavy when it's long.
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge - Fairly weak.
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead - It's not very high, but not low either, and it is steep.
Small eyes / Big eyes - They are too small.
Big ears / Small ears - Big and flappy.
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose - The former rather than the latter. The tip is a bit fat though.
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones - Not extreme in any direction, but compressed rather than prominent.
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw - Highly compressed, my gonial angles are hardly visible, and I'm thin.
Small teeth / Large teeth - I don't know, they look mid-sized to me.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin - Not very strong nor very prominent, but I wouldn't call it weak and receding. Closer to the former I think.
Long neck / Short neck - Long and thin.
Short torso / Long torso - I don't really know what to compare with, but it seems rather ordinary, quite short.
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis - The former I think, but I'm not sure.
Long straight legs / Short legs - My legs are rather long, but not extremely so.

This might jeopardise my Archaic Paleomongoloid identity.

[Minesweeper]

I think my only primitive traits are long arms and torso.

[Kalitas]

This is my case
Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin =>Weak chin (positive, and not receding) = infantile trait
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs
Dolicho to Mesocephalic/ Brachycephalic =>Position of the foramen magnum, related to the occiput

So, the most progressive subraces/phenotypes are the unaltered Nordid types like the Hallstatt and the East Nordids (almost nothing of Cromagnid admixture)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=479&pictureid=4125

While, among the caucasian subraces, the pure Cromagnid would be the one showing the most primitive traits
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=479&pictureid=4126

[GeistFaust]

I am a primitive progressive, who is progressively primitive in mentality.

[Artek]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Here it is. Welcome the ubermensch

[dralos]

i can be wrong but i think this kosovalbanian shows very progressive traits
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs744.ash1/163695_1362553124106_1839944027_676886_7252464_n.j pg

[Atlantic Islander]

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[Tyler3]

A neck is the highest indicator of a progressive racial line. If the neck is short and blubbery it is an indicator of things to come for everything else on the body. You never see great features on someone with a small or short neck with no natural muscle on it.

[Riki]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Progressive I would say.

[The Alchemist]

A neck is the highest indicator of a progressive racial line. If the neck is short and blubbery it is an indicator of things to come for everything else on the body. You never see great features on someone with a small or short neck with no natural muscle on it.

LoL, I have a long feminine neck, marry me, men :D

[Sabinae]

Wouldn't be able to tell how progressive my body is or not... But, frankly, right at this very moment... I care for it to be healthy...

[Saruman]

Weak browridge is not progressive but an infantile trait (Alpinisation, baltisation, Gracile Meds etc.). It's more properly said moderate, weaker than the likes of Australoid who have very strong and prominent browridges, but certainly stronger than Alpinoids. Especially are weak browridges problematic for males, as they may be considered connected with lack of dominance.
So that list of traits has some differences compared to Agrippa's list.

The best for ex. Nordids always have more prominent browridges (very different from Australoids of course).

Plus harmony and the exact set of features is even more important than basic progressive-archaic-infantile scheme.

[Saruman]

To continue about items not present on Agrippa's list.

Ears are debatable, Australids don't have large ears, and Negrids too, I guess it depends on exact form alot, but it isn't one of crucial traits like for ex. prognathy, chin are.

Teeth, yes large teeth are more archaic, but very small ones are rather on the infantile side probably.


Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw - This is questionable, square jaw isn't primitive, I think Agrippa confirmed that to me, in any cease it is at least "neutral", but might be viewed positively in a number of cases when it contributes to a more dominant look. Very compressed gonials might lead to great disharmony in features, as can the opposite. So its something that needs to be looked at more closely.


Dolicho to Mesocephalic/ Brachycephalic - This is also very problematic, as of course archaic sapiens are long skulled, brachycephaly is actually newer, but it is often result of infantilisation, while on the other hand Taurids head shape isn't primitive nor infantile.
What should have been said and wasn't is the exact head shape. CI in itself doesn't mean much, dolicocephalic Mediterranid and Australid skulls differ significantly in their form!


Fine hair / Coarse hair
This might be correct, as coarser hair surely is a pattern among more archaic types.


Small eyes / Big eyes
Big eyes might be related to infantilisation in number of cases, very small eyes are present in certain types that are more archaic in relative comparison, so I don't think such a strict formulation is correct as both have some positives and negatives.

Also what isn't mentioned here is forehead shape, mouth-lips shape, body type and various other features. Agrippa's table is correct, so I addressed these other points that were I believe invented by someone at Skadi long time ago, and this interpretation cannot be considered authoritative.

[The Alchemist]

^ can you post some exemples of these features, plz?

[Saruman]

^ can you post some exemples of these features, plz?

http://www.androsform.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brad-pitt-85.jpg

For ex. Brad Pitt, as Faelids have broader face they actually need square jaw for a more positive appearance, if it was not then their jaw would have looked infantilised, reduced and disharmonious. I think clearly there needs to be harmony between zygomatic and gonial breadth so that the former's value is slightly greater, whether zygomiatics are compressed or not, so saying compressed gonials are progressive as a rule makes no sense because it would ,even for narrow faced individuals, tend to elevate zygomatic-gonial ratio to the level of clear disharmony, that does occur and it isn't ideal for sure.

About just taking CI, without looking at far more important head form, here's a comparison of archaic Australid and Europid skulls. CI is lower but head form is quite different!

http://www.canovan.com/HumanOrigin/PINTUBI-1/bindaeuro3.jpg

http://www.canovan.com/HumanOrigin/PINTUBI-1/bindaeuro5.jpg

Again look here Gibbon, Chimpanzee, Pithecantropus, Sinantropus, Neanderthal
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3305&stc=1&d=1259940334

Head form was still similar without great innovation despite the enlargement. But progressive sapiens head form contained so obviously significant innovations.

[The Alchemist]

I think certain features can look good on men, but much less on women. Like broad face and square jaw:

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhc67jfyiw1qa7cfio1_500.jpg

I think this man wouldn't be as hot as he is without that square jaw a broad, CM face. He's perfect :love:

On the contrary, those features don't look good on women, imo.
Btw i'm not so obsessed with progessive features, some progressive traits are not that attractive imo: big ears, small eyes, small teeth...And i also prefer "primitive" prominent cheekbones.

[Saruman]

On the contrary, those features don't look good on women, imo.


Actually they do look good if by square jaw one means more angular pentagonal than cuboid face, also depending on general features. For me this is one of the best female types.:D

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Launch+John+Varvatos+New+Fragrance+Men+y6KOdaTuW9z l.jpg

http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/SoundTracRD030637.jpg

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ld/a_different_spin_with_mark_hoppus_170910/mark_hoppus_3006169.jpg

http://www.dphotosprints.com/Movies/Other/8th-Annual-iStar-Charity/102265879MD0048thAnnuali/998627912_RcU3d-L.jpg

[The Alchemist]

^ it's a matter of taste, but i think that she would look even better if she was more "rounded" ;)

[Saruman]

^ it's a matter of taste, but i think that she would look even better if she was more "rounded" ;)

Better as more "feminine", but she's feminine enough, however with round features she might have lost her "femme fatale" appearance.

[Mordid]

Big eyes might be related to infantilisation in number of cases, very small eyes are present in certain types that are more archaic in relative comparison, so I don't think such a strict formulation is correct as both have some positives and negatives.

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.

[The Alchemist]

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.
I think they can be also an alpinid and baltid trait. And they're common all around Europe, imo.

[Saruman]

Big eyes isn't associated with infantile types. If anything, big eyes is Aurignacoid as well as Taurid traits. If I remember correctly, Agrippa said that ''big eyes with clearly visible lids'' is anti-CM trait.

Yes of course, among Aurignacid types it is also very widespread, Taurids too, though less so among Nordids than Mediterranids for ex, which might be due to their CM input. But it is associated with Balto-Alpinisation as well, those types do have round eyes often and since Cromagnids proper don't it's reasonable to assume they are product of alpinisation/baltisation.

[Mordid]

I think they can be also an alpinid and baltid trait. And they're common all around Europe, imo.
Not necessary. Of course, big eyes can be found among Alpinids and Baltids, but not as common as Aurignacoids and Taurids. The latters tend to have more big eyes in in comparison to Alpinids and Baltids.

[The Alchemist]

Not necessary. Of course, big eyes can be found among Alpinids and Baltids, but not as common as Aurignacoids and Taurids. The latters tend to have more big eyes in in comparison to Alpinids and Baltids.

Ok, maybe you mean "enormous" eyes, very large and big eyes. Btw i think they're pretty common also among Germans, Poles, Dutchs...just look at Doutzen's enormous eyes:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH-I-O6q2R7kK4eppzSRw0-f4WiFOxMeE9QS80oTot69MmtvxhYX0-q9PSJg

I like big eyes very much.

[Mordid]

Yes of course, among Aurignacid types it is also very widespread, Taurids too, though less so among Nordids than Mediterranids for ex, which might be due to their CM input. But it is associated with Balto-Alpinisation as well, those types do have round eyes often and since Cromagnids proper don't it's reasonable to assume they are product of alpinisation/baltisation.
Yeah, Baltids and Baltids influence have big eyes often with rather weak lids, someone like her:
http://www.skene.pl/media/picture/117/pic/091124110132.jpg

These kind of eyeshape are very common among ''Suedeuropid'' with large eyelids:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kzKRE3PGf3A/TFgqzuuotsI/AAAAAAAAA7k/inM2wP1sRJk/s400/christ.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/magik_kaliber_44-1.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/slavic3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_730AxBiPPoI/TLmvcwjGc1I/AAAAAAAABC0/sQA2gtxn_wU/s1600/1011_BAR_KOSTA_PEROVIC.(1).JPG
^Yet, I've never seen Alpinids and Baltids with these eyelids.

[Arne]

I think my only primitive traits are long arms and torso.

My Legs are straight long and my Arms also.
But my Torso isn´t quite long.
My neck is long :D

[Saruman]

About wide jaws/compressed jaws I asked Agrippa almost a year ago in PM. His response:


Crucial for the progressivness are other details in my opinion, broad jaws are not primitive in any case.


So, no as I have been explaining why, they aren't primitive. Gonials are on avg. much more compressed than zygomatics, so even narrow-faced individuals with surely greatly compressed gonials would have triangular/rhomboid face shape, which is not ideal and can often be disharmonious.

[Sikeliot]

I always perceived wide spaced eyes as primitive.

[Lemon Kush]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead- Nothing extreme but closer to "High steep forehead"
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth- I'm not sure some of my teeth are large, while some of them such as my bottom front teeth are small. I'd say my teeth are larger on average though.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck- More long than short.
Short torso / Long torso- I'm not sure with who or what to compare and determine my torso length, nor have I measured it.
Short arms / Long arms- I don't know, probably closer to short than long though.
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs- Probably more short than long.

[MarkyMark]

I have
Inbetween hair(when I don't wash it too much)
Strong brow ridge
Low Forehead
Big eyes
Big ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose
Compressed zygomatic arches
Square jaw
Large Teeth
Inbetween chin
Long kneck
Short Torso
Long Arms
Long narrow Pelvis
Long straight legs

7 Primitive traits
5 Progressive traits
2 inbetween

[Oneeye]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Some of these I'm more towards the middle, but overall I'm "primitive" apparently.

[weltkrieg]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / medium/Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs :rolleyes:

Ok, I'm very progressive but I don't feel so beautiful ...

[CordedWhelp]

I'd be considered fairly "progressive", with the exception of my smallish ears (not to mention kind of comically small ear-slits). Kind of been wondering what's up with that. Appears to be genetic...have noticed some family members, extended family with proportionally smaller ears.

[Neanderthal]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge Rather medium.
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes Rather medium.
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth Rather medium.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck Rather medium.
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms Rather medium.
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs Rather medium.

I guess I am a hybrid.

[Cleitus]

They both have Small Eyes and Weak Browridge thats Very Progressive i guess
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/r/arhiv_rus/negroid.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Andaman_man_Negrito_Australoid_Negroid.png

[KidMulat]

They both have Small Eyes and Weak Browridge thats Very Progressive i guess
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/r/arhiv_rus/negroid.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Andaman_man_Negrito_Australoid_Negroid.png

They look nothing alike though?

[Cleitus]

They look nothing alike though?

:lol00002:

[Methusalem]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge Rather medium.
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes Rather medium.
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth Rather medium.
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck Rather medium.
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms Rather medium.
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs Rather medium.

I guess I am a hybrid.

the list is bullshit. big eyes are progressive and big ears are quite common among chimps lol

[KidMulat]

:lol00002:

Lack of facial hair, thicker lips that aren't nearly as long and bigger on top not bottom, pronounced nasal tip, differently shaped nostrils, broad forehead, relatively high hairline, very compacted square shaped face, broader jawline and what looks like a more developed chin compared to non-sapien.

They don't look alike.

[Cleitus]

the list is bullshit. big eyes are progressive and big ears are quite common among chimps lol
Yeah Typical Evolutionist Bullshit

[Orthogonal]

Gracilization is definitely the most significant feature of progressiveness.

[KidMulat]

Gracilization is definitely the most significant feature of progressiveness.

Depends on the people really

[Neanderthal]

Gracilization is definitely the most significant feature of progressiveness.

Nah, that's neotenic/infantile, such traits are worthless in harsh enviroments, hence not progressive.

[Swearengen]

Fine hair check
Weak brow ridge check
High steep forehead check
Small eyes check
Big ears double check
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose... ok not really
Compressed zygomatic arches check
Compressed gonial angles check
Small teeth check
Strong prominent chin check
Long neck check


this guy is most progressive?

http://xqsz8d2y4w6w770f.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Adam-Godley..jpg

http://images.tvrage.com/people/15/43772.jpg

[Methusalem]

anyway I am ueber-progressive with my huge brachycephalic skull and huge high and broad forehead. all dolichos pleaaaase

[Peikko]

I guess I'm some kind of hyperprogressive.

[Peikko]

Fine hair check
Weak brow ridge check
High steep forehead check
Small eyes check
Big ears double check
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose... ok not really
Compressed zygomatic arches check
Compressed gonial angles check
Small teeth check
Strong prominent chin check
Long neck check


this guy is most progressive?

http://xqsz8d2y4w6w770f.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Adam-Godley..jpg

http://images.tvrage.com/people/15/43772.jpg
He's progressive, but a bit paedomorphic.

[Not a Cop]

anyway I am ueber-progressive with my huge brachycephalic skull and huge high and broad forehead. all dolichos pleaaaase

Well atleast dolichos can't be alpignids:p

[Orthogonal]

Nah, that's neotenic/infantile, such traits are worthless in harsh enviroments, hence not progressive.

Ok... compare the Homo Idaltu remains or the Skhul/Qafzeh with a modern human in time for example time [20000 BC, 0) like for instance an Atlantid or even an Alpine. Also it's only logical to evolve towards a more gracile type specially with the current way of life.

[Methusalem]

Well atleast dolichos can't be alpignids:p

brachycephalism looks different between taurids and reduced cromagnoids. the latter have a typical round head shape while taurids have broader back of the head in relation to broadness of forehead. it looks like a pear when seen from above.

[Neanderthal]

Ok... compare the Homo Idaltu remains or the Skhul/Qafzeh with a modern human in time for example time [20000 BC, 0) like for instance an Atlantid or even an Alpine. Also it's only logical to evolve towards a more gracile type specially with the current way of life.

You can't compare a Megalithic survivor (Atlantid) with a highly paedomorphic/neotenic type such as Alpinid. Also, the reduction of Alpinid type is a collateral effect of modern day agriculture, wich is unnatural for humans and animals. In some utopic novel about space travel, and living on 'The Matrix', being short, fat and bald would be considered advantageous, but not in this world, at least.

[Not a Cop]

brachycephalism looks different between taurids and reduced cromagnoids. the latter have a typical round head shape while taurids have broader back of the head in relation to broadness of forehead. it looks like a pear when seen from above.

Well you are right indeed, but East-Nordids do'nt have the same headshape as gracile meds aswell, thats mostly the numbers.

[Orthogonal]

You can't compare a Megalithic survivor (Atlantid) with a highly paedomorphic/neotenic type such as Alpinid. Also, the reduction of Alpinid type is a collateral effect of modern day agriculture, wich is unnatural for humans and animals. In some utopic novel about space travel, and living on 'The Matrix', being short, fat and bald would be considered advantageous, but not in this world, at least.

I am not comparing an Atlantid and an Alpine, this is a different subject. What I meant to say is that early hominids are more robust than a human at time 0.
Whether Gracilization is natural or not is irrelevant to the discussion and subjective. My point is that a modern human doesn't need a huge jaw and teeth for instance to process it's food with the advent of cooking etc...

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Seems like such an arbitrary list.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

it looks like a pear when seen from above.

Interesting, that's what my head does....

[armenianbodyhair]

Mostly progressive!

[Fear Fiain]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

mostly primitive, some progressive traits

[Methusalem]

Mostly progressive!

xD

[sevruk]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs
nonsense

[Methusalem]

You can't compare a Megalithic survivor (Atlantid) with a highly paedomorphic/neotenic type such as Alpinid. Also, the reduction of Alpinid type is a collateral effect of modern day agriculture, wich is unnatural for humans and animals. In some utopic novel about space travel, and living on 'The Matrix', being short, fat and bald would be considered advantageous, but not in this world, at least.

Priceless. Just priceless.

[Han Cholo]

60% Progressive 40% Primitive.


Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[armenianbodyhair]

xD

I know you're jelly. I would be too if I looked like you.

[armenianbodyhair]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Methusalem]

I know you're jelly. I would be too if I looked like you.

alpignid please. i am very good looking and hot.

look how my aethiopid homie Mark classified me and said about my handsome face:


Hey man. You're a nice looking guy.

Slightly Dinarized S. Med + Aethiopid + CM.

[armenianbodyhair]

alpignid please. i am very good looking and hot.

look how my aethiopid homie Mark classified me and said about my handsome face:
Whatever you have to say in order to feel better about yourself. :icon_lol:

[Peikko]

My dad's clearly baltid and he has those traits like long torso and and short legs. His children (including me) don't really inherited those traits body wise.

Sounds more like alpine. Is he short too?

[Virtuous]

I´m a mix.

same

[Herr Abubu]

2 progressive 4 u infantilids

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Also, this list is very strongly geared towards being english. No way on earth that beady eyes, large ears, and tiny teeth are supposed to be anything good. Thankfully I don't have those "progressive" features. My teeth are actually a bit extreme especially the canines before I got caps on them, but big teeth are useful.

[Equilibrium]

There is also a table attached to the OP which seems to be ignored. I think it's a list made by Agrippa. According to those criteria I'm completely progressive. :cool:

http://abload.de/img/pip-tabellehre39.jpg

[Stanley]

Agrippa classified me as "predominately Nordid". Can I count as progressive?


As for your case, you seem to be predominantely Nordid, rather of the "Keltic Nordic" variety, so with Dinaroid/Dinaroid-Atlantid influences. Additionally some kind of Cromagnoid to Baltoid might be involved, I would have gussed Cromagno-Alpinoid/Borreby influences, visible primarily at your cranium, secondarily the nasal shape and eye distance.

[Herr Abubu]

There is also a table attached to the OP which seems to be ignored. I think it's a list made by Agrippa. According to those criteria I'm completely progressive. :cool:

http://abload.de/img/pip-tabellehre39.jpg

me 2 brother. us 2 have less monkey and infantilid admixture than these other untermensch

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Progressive=everything non-negro and Primitive=Negros.

[Methusalem]

me 2 brother. us 2 have less monkey and infantilid admixture than these other untermensch

me too my homie.

[Tropico]

Hmm. I'm decently progressive for a mongrel. ;)

[Herr Abubu]

me too my homie.

one day they will recognize this and let us be their masters

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Very simple question, Progressive=Everything none-negro and Primitive=Negros.

[Han Cholo]

There is also a table attached to the OP which seems to be ignored. I think it's a list made by Agrippa. According to those criteria I'm completely progressive. :cool:

http://abload.de/img/pip-tabellehre39.jpg

Judging by this I'm 85% progressive.

[Methusalem]

Very simple question, Progressive=Everything none-negro and Primitive=Negros.

So you are primitive I guess? :laugh:
These are your Eurogenes results. LOL another selfhating mixed racial triracial mongrel.

Eurogenes EUtest:

SOUTH_BALTIC 5.42%
EAST_EURO 11.26%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.68%
ATLANTIC 10.56%
WEST_MED 7.21%
EAST_MED 0.42%
WEST_ASIAN 3.07%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.89%
SOUTH_ASIAN 4.83%
EAST_AFRICAN 2.37%
EAST_ASIAN 16.78%
SIBERIAN 17.84%
WEST_AFRICAN 5.68%

Your 23andme results:

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/My-23andMe-Ancestry-Painting.gif

source:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72768-Martinv-23andMe-results

[Methusalem]

one day they will recognize this and let us be their masters

Are you also Brachycephalic uebermensch?

[Herr Abubu]

Very simple question, Progressive=Everything none-negro and Primitive=Negros.

No. Alpignid=infantile; Australoid/Denisovan=primitive. Some Negroids are Alpignid, some are Australoid/Denisovan, some are ubermensch. u look 50% Alpignid, 50% Denisovan btw.

[Übermensch]

I've got very fine wavy-straight hair but i have a short-thick neck, an occipital bun, very prominent browridges (and deep set eyes) a very broad mouth, big ears, great distance between the nose and the upper lip, rather thin lips, slight midfacial prognathism, a tall but sloped forehead,i have a weak redecing chin,wide pelvis,a very long and wide nose with depressed nasal root and somewhat upturned,i have large teeth and a squared jaw, a very broad jaw with prominent gonial angles,i have smallish eyes and i have rather long arms and lengs (being relatively tall, i am 1,80 tall) i also have very broad and prominent cheeckbones.
My head is both extremly long and extremly wide as well tall.
I guess i am mostly ''archaic'' with some progressive and infantile tendency, but i'm very archaic.

[Herr Abubu]

Are you also Brachycephalic uebermensch?

Nah. I'm mesocephal.

[Herr Abubu]

I've got very fine wavy-straight hair but i have a short-thick neck, an occipital bun, very prominent browridges (and deep set eyes) a very broad mouth, big ears, great distance between the nose and the upper lip, rather thin lips, slight midfacial prognathism, a tall but sloped forehead,i have a weak redecing chin,wide pelvis,a very long and wide nose with depressed nasal root and somewhat upturned,i have large teeth and a squared jaw, a very broad jaw with prominent gonial angles,i have smallish eyes and i have rather long arms and lengs (being relatively tall, i am 1,80 tall).
My head is both extremly long and extremly wide as well tall.
I guess i am mostly ''archaic'' with some progressive and infantile tendency, but i'm very archaic.

u look pred. denisovan

[Übermensch]

u look pred. denisovan

Nah more neanderthal.

[Herr Abubu]

Nah more neanderthal.

yes, maybe

[Übermensch]

yes, maybe

I have 3% of neanderthal admixture, much more than the averege European, who has 2,6%.

[Herr Abubu]

I have 3% of neanderthal admixture, much more than the averege European, who has 2,6%.

some neanderthal admix is actually denisovan, but i think you are pred. neanderthal

[Equilibrium]

Nah. I'm mesocephal.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131102231618/vampirediaries/images/f/f1/Phil-Thumbs-Up.gif

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I have 3% of neanderthal admixture, much more than the averege European, who has 2,6%.

I have 2.9% neanderthal admixture

[Herr Abubu]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131102231618/vampirediaries/images/f/f1/Phil-Thumbs-Up.gif

Mesocephal pride and all that indeed. I must have been dolicocephal when I was a baby, though. There's a little chimp admixture in me, too. :P

[Hevo]

brachycephalism looks different between taurids and reduced cromagnoids. the latter have a typical round head shape while taurids have broader back of the head in relation to broadness of forehead. it looks like a pear when seen from above.

What about Mesocephalics?

[Übermensch]

I would be a dolicocephal if my skull wasn't 175 mm wide.:(

[Herr Abubu]

I would be a dolicocephal if my skull wasn't 175 mm wide.:(

Come on, dolicocephaly=austral trait.

[Methusalem]

What about Mesocephalics?

I think between Taurid and Dolio. Like an elongated pearl. but i am not sure.

[Armatus]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs


More progressive than I expected. Regarding Neanderthal admix, i'm just an average european with 1.9%.

[Roy]

[/B][/U] Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

About the rest I am not really sure.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs


May as well do the whole list, should have done it before.

Medium hair, not like asian or spaniard and not like wispy englishman.
Metrically my brow is pretty strong but it fits my face.
In between forehead
Small eyes
Small to medium ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose. A little crooked otherwise perfect nose, like JFK but a little longer up and down
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones (not sure/medium)
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw (not sure/medium)
Very Large teeth
Medium chin
Short neck
Extremely Long torso
Very Long arms
Wide and long pelvis
Extremely Short legs

[Itarildë]

Infantile (judging by the attached image) on nearly every single one haha! Primitive cheekbones though.

[Duke]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Its almost like
Progressive=female
Primitive=male
with just few changes needed

[Catkin]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair I have both, but mainly fine
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge ?
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears ?
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones To some extent I think?
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw Not square but quite wide?
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin ?
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis Not sure about short or long
Long straight legs / Short legs



So many I'm not sure about, but from the ones I do it's fairly balanced.

[Desaix DeBurgh]

Archaic/primitive :

Receding lower jaw ("no chin");
Big teeth (adapted to chewing raw food);
Projecting upper jaw and middle part of the face (to allow for big teeth; a "round" face therefore);
Pronounced brow ridge above the eyes (interrupted in the middle in less archaic forms);
Receding forehead;
Relatively flat low top of the skull;
High attachment of the neck muscles at the back of the skull (a high neck).

Advanced/progressive :

Projecting lower jaw (a "pronounced chin");
Small teeth (adapted to chewing cooked food which is easier);
Less or not projecting upper jaw and middle part of the face (possible because of the smaller teeth; a "flat" face therefore);
No or very small brow ridges above the eyes;
Steep or vertical forehead;
High round top of the skull;
Low attachment of the neck muscles at the back of the skull.

[Jana]

I am mix but mostly progressive it seems :p

Progressive traits:
Fine hair
Weak brow ridge
High steep forehead
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose
Compressed gonial angles
Small teeth
Strong prominent chin
Long neck
Wide, short pelvis
Long straight legs

Primitive traits:
Big eyes
Small ears
Large prominent cheek bones
Long torso
Long arms

[Dombra]

Progressive

Fine hair
Small eyes
Short arms

Primitive

Strong brow ridge, imo
Low or strongly receding forehead
Small ears
Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Large prominent cheek bones
Large teeth
Weak receding chin
Short neck
Long torso
Short legs

I belong in the tundra

[Shepherd]

[U]Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

[B]Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge - average
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears - ?
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw - in between
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms - idk
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Borna]

Laughable list.

[Fincher]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Fincher]

Actual attractive traits - lol at having pride in being some lepto, fecund cuck.

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Norb]

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Wouldnt coarse hair be progressive, chimps monkeys and orangatangs have straight hair.

[SkyBurn]

Progressive vs. Primitive Traits

Fine hair / Coarse hair
Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
High steep forehead / Low or strongly receding forehead
Small eyes / Big eyes
Big ears / Small ears
High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
Small teeth / Large teeth
Strong prominent chin / Weak receding chin
Long neck / Short neck
Short torso / Long torso
Short arms / Long arms
Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis
Long straight legs / Short legs

Fuck, I'm a neanderthal

[cosmoo]

Totally retarded division which has no basis in reality.

[LoLeL]

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