Who is closer: Finns to Mongolians or Finns to Sicilians?

[Cristiano viejo]

Pues eso.

[Mazik]

Finns to Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

Finns have about the same amount of Mongolian in them that Sicilians have Northern European.

However, Mongoloid genetic components are further from Northern European than Southern European/Caucasus genes are,
so Finns are closer to Sicilians, even though on a European scale they are very far.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Hmm... Mongolians I say my vote. I say they have a link to some disagree to Mongolians. by blood.

[LightHouse89]

allah snackbar! finns are closer to balts and do not have much mongol mixture.

[Peikko]

Mongolians more than Sicilians.

[Şeyh Bedrettin]

iberians to north africans

[Argang]

Save Tatars, Mongolian admixture does not exist in Europe even in regions they conquered.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/o7oger.jpg

[Dombra]

Genetically closer to Sicilians but closer to Mongols in spirit :thumbs up

[Cristiano viejo]

Genetically closer to Sicilians but closer to Mongols in spirit :thumbs up
Closer to Sicilians than Monguis? humm I am not sure, N haplogroup in Finland is extremely high.

[Black Wolf]

Finns are Mongolians! I thought everyone already knew this. :P

[SKYNET]

this is one of the threads that I've mentioned in "Has trolling become an issue on Apricity? (Member feedback wanted)" LOL

[Tooting Carmen]

Closer to Sicilians, because the Mongoloid admixture Finns have is far too small to pull them in the other direction.

[The Ripper]

According to this Finns are closer to Sicilian moors than mighty Mongols. I am of disappoint.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Photos/global-genetic-distances-map.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Closer to Sicilians, because the Mongoloid admixture Finns have is far too small to pull them in the other direction.

Again: 60% of N haplogroup is small for you?

[Dombra]

Closer to Sicilians than Monguis? humm I am not sure, N haplogroup in Finland is extremely high.

R1A doesn't make Iranians Polish does it? Anyways Finns are strong Nordic Mongols in spirit

[Yaroslav]

Mongolians

[Cristiano viejo]

R1A doesn't make Iranians Polish does it?
Yes, but Iranians did not received their r1a from Poles, unlike Finnish and their N and Mongols.

[Shah-Jehan]

Obviously Sicilians.

[Dombra]

CV, was the purpose of this thread to make fun of Finns for being Mongol or to make Finns admit closeness with the woggiest of wogs? :confused:

[Cristiano viejo]

CV, was the purpose of this thread to make fun of Finns for being Mongol or to make Finns admit closeness with the woggiest of wogs? :confused:
I have no idea what you mean, my friend :noidea:
Legitimate question like so many others in this forum.

[Peikko]

Sicilians are like 10% European, so I don't see how Finns are related to them.

[interes]

Finns are Europoid ,Caucasoid race not Mongolodi!!

[Sikeliot]

Finns and Sicilians might be as far from one another as any two Europeans can get (excluding Cyprus and Saami), but both are still Caucasoid and Mongolians are not.

[Francesci De Medici]

Who is closer: Greeks to Somalians or Greeks to Pakistanis?

[Luovatus]

Haven´t the OP read his homework before posting this thread ? I guess not.
So this must be the easiest way to get the answer to that question.
The right answer is Sicilians. Both Finns and Sicilians are Caucasoids.

So, there you have it :)

[The King, I am]

More to Sicilians but its a close one, two very very different (polar opposite) white European ethnicities

[Sikeliot]

More to Sicilians but its a close one, two very very different (polar opposite) white European ethnicities

Yes. Almost as far as any two European ethnicities can be, genetically and physically. But still closer than either is to Mongolians.

[The King, I am]

Yes. Almost as far as any two European ethnicities can be, genetically and physically. But still closer than either is to Mongolians.

Only a small part of a Finnish person's dna is Mongolian (around 5%)

[Yaroslav]

Haven´t the OP read his homework before posting this thread ? I guess not.
So this must be the easiest way to get the answer to that question.
The right answer is Sicilians. Both Finns and Sicilians are Caucasoids.

So, there you have it :)

I think he meant culturally and linguistically. Obviously racially the Finns are closer to Sicilians, but race is a trifling matter.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think he meant culturally and linguistically. Obviously racially the Finns are closer to Sicilians, but race is a trifling matter.
No no, racially. People must decide if Mongolians or Sicilians taking account phenotype and genotype.

[Smaug]

Mongols of course, have you seen their faces? Sicilians on the other hand fully Caucasoid.

[Yaroslav]

No no, racially. People must decide if Mongolians or Sicilians taking account phenotype and genotype.

You should've specified that in your OP. This is an ethno-cultural, not anthropological, section of the forum. I believe that Finns are closer to Sicilians racially, I recant my vote.

[Roy]

Sicilians - at least they're Caucasoid.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Even the Lapps are much closer to Italians than they are to Mongols.

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/race-twig.gif

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Again: 60% of N haplogroup is small for you?

La Brana 1 had C haplogroup like Mongols despite being a Mesolithic European!

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2014/01/la-brana-1-carried-very-rare-y-dna.html

Why are Spaniards today so far from La Brana 1 in genetics despite La Brana 1 being from Iberia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEUtZjRwTkQxRzBCeHdTaTdWUUY4Z 0E#gid=0

[Peikko]

Mongols of course, have you seen their faces? Sicilians on the other hand fully Caucasoid.
Arabs and persians are caucasoid.

[Smaug]

Arabs and persians are caucasoid.

Indeed. All the non-Euro influences that Sicilians have are still Caucasoid.

[Cristiano viejo]

La Brana 1 had C haplogroup like Mongols despite being a Mesolithic European!

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2014/01/la-brana-1-carried-very-rare-y-dna.html

Why are Spaniards today so far from La Brana 1 in genetics despite La Brana 1 being from Iberia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEUtZjRwTkQxRzBCeHdTaTdWUUY4Z 0E#gid=0

Indeed, La Braña is related with Scando population, much more than with Iberians.
Whats your point?

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Indeed, La Braña is related with Scando population, much more than with Iberians.
Whats your point?

La Braña came out between South-West Finnish & South Polish despite having Y C haplogroup!

http://s129.photobucket.com/user/dpwes/media/K13_NJ_Tree-1.png.html

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Here is a genetic map for an anwser!

http://verenich.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/persp3d.jpg

Finns are much closer to Sicilians than to Mongols by DNA.

How can so many people here think that Finns are closer to Mongols than to Sicilians!?

[Cristiano viejo]

Here is a genetic map for an anwser!

http://verenich.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/persp3d.jpg

Finns are much closer to Sicilians than to Mongols by DNA.

How can so many people here think that Finns are closer to Mongols than to Sicilians!?

DNA and phenotype, the mix.
Againnnnnnn, Finns have 60% of N haplogroup. N haplogroup is from Asia. Dont you take account this detail?

[SobieskisavedEurope]

DNA and phenotype, the mix.
Againnnnnnn, Finns have 60% of N haplogroup. N haplogroup is from Asia. Dont you take account this detail?

The Ouldeme tribe of CameroonAfrica is over 95% R1b haplogroup.

Are the Ouldeme Western Europeans!?

[Cristiano viejo]

The Ouldeme tribe of Africa is over 95% R1b haplogroup.

Are the Ouldeme Western Europeans!?

95%? really? lool, and they are pure blacks?

well, the difference is that these Africans dont look like Europeans, but there are many Finns that look like Mongolians.

[Äijä]

95%? really? lool, and they are pure blacks?

well, the difference is that these Africans dont look like Europeans, but there are many Finns that look like Mongolians.

Post them, I bet as much as there are in other countries, not many.

[Äijä]

DNA and phenotype, the mix.
Againnnnnnn, Finns have 60% of N haplogroup. N haplogroup is from Asia. Dont you take account this detail?

R1a is from Asia, so what?

[Beit El]

95%? really? lool, and they are pure blacks?

well, the difference is that these Africans dont look like Europeans, but there are many Finns that look like Mongolians.

What a fucking clown this guy.

[Cristiano viejo]

Post them, I bet as much as there are in other countries, not many.
Is it necessary?

R1a is from Asia, so what?
I dont care R1a.

[Cristiano viejo]

What a fucking clown this guy.

Why? is it lie?

[Äijä]

Why? is it lie?

Like more Finns look like that than Spanish that look African, I dont know, lets compare and let others decide?


Joukkuekuva= team picture
https://www.google.fi/search?q=joukkuekuva&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2sI0U7WPFOe9ygOdtYBo&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=569


Luokkakuva = class picture
https://www.google.fi/search?q=luokkakuva&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=P8M0U-e6MqmGywO_1IKYAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1242&bih=569

[Äijä]

I dont care R1a.

Why not, there is more of that in Europe and it came from the same place as the N1c.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why not, there is more of that in Europe and it came from the same place as the N1c.

R1a is Indoeuropean, N not.
Perhaps same place but not same people.

[Äijä]

R1a is Indoeuropean, N not.
Perhaps same place but not same people.

How can you tell when Finnics and Aryans where born next to each other and both have R1a and N1c??

[Äijä]

http://pallo.vakp.fi/media/Joukkuekuva_2013_2.jpg

In this picture is one that stands out from the crowd, might not even be Finnish, are the rest Mongols also?

[Cristiano viejo]

How can you tell when Finnics and Aryans where born next to each other and both have R1a and N1c??

do you think that it´s coincidence that the country with the highest percentage of haplogroup N is also the country where most people with Mongoloid features there are in Europe?

[Äijä]

do you think that it´s coincidence that the country with the highest percentage of haplogroup N is also the country where most people with Mongoloid features there are in Europe?

You have proof of that?

http://euro2008girls.com/pics/spanish-girl-500x437.jpg

That Swede looks like he could have some Sami.

[Äijä]

Spain has also some N1c, who brought that? :rolleyes:

[Äijä]

These N1c types liked to build empires, neither dynasty is considered Mongol or even Finnic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gediminas

[Cristiano viejo]

You have proof of that?

http://euro2008girls.com/pics/spanish-girl-500x437.jpg

That Swede looks like he could have some Sami.
hahaha good one :):thumb001:
well, it´s true that all Scando countries have its percentage of people with Mongoloid features, but imo Finland has the highest, along with Russia.


Spain has also some N1c, who brought that? :rolleyes:

Finnish foreigners xD jk

[Peikko]

hahaha good one :):thumb001:
well, it´s true that all Scando countries have its percentage of people with Mongoloid features, but imo Finland has the highest, along with Russia.



Finnish foreigners xD jk
Mong features > super swarthykoid Spanish features. There are tons of Spaniards who don't look white. You're probably one of them. Live with it.

[Luovatus]

I think he meant culturally and linguistically. Obviously racially the Finns are closer to Sicilians, but race is a trifling matter.

This post belongs to the section ETHNO-cultural, which includes phenotype and so on also race.
And everybody should already know, that Finns are proud of their blood. But that does not make us mongoloids.

And Lappoid people live also in Scandinavia, not just in Finland.

:yo:

[Cristiano viejo]

Mong features > super swarthykoid Spanish features.
Not according me.


There are tons of Spaniards who don't look white.
Then we are tied. Because also there are a lot of Finns who dont look white :noidea:


You're probably one of them. Live with it.
Probably... maybe... perhaps... it can be... :blah::blah::blah:

[Äijä]

I think he meant culturally and linguistically. Obviously racially the Finns are closer to Sicilians, but race is a trifling matter.

Linguistically Finns are related to Indo-Europeans, racially to Aryans and culturally to Germanics.

[SKYNET]

Linguistically Finns are NOT related to Indo-Europeans, but racially they are related to Aryans and culturally to Germanics.



Fixed.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

do you think that it´s coincidence that the country with the highest percentage of haplogroup N is also the country where most people with Mongoloid features there are in Europe?

If aything Finns are the most Europid.

Finns came out closest to Cro Magnon man & Finns are the most blonde Europeans.

[Äijä]

If aything Finns are the most Europid.

Finns came out closest to Cro Magnon man & Finns are the most blonde Europeans.

Northern Europe and the Baltic area get a lot of hate, they look at the DNA studies and see the picture emerging.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Northern Europe and the Baltic area get a lot of hate, they look at the DNA studies and see the picture emerging.

The Baltic region followed by Finland comes out as the most Northern European!

[Styrian Mujo]

Finns are pure Europeans just like the Baltic and Scandinavian populations and I have a feeling that they are closer to Mongolians than they are to Sicillians although im not an expert on genes and whatnot.

[Äijä]

The Baltic region followed by Finland comes out as the most Northern European!

This year we will learn more about the Nordic Bronze Age and the Migration Period, exciting times around the Baltic Sea.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Then we are tied. Because also there are a lot of Finns who dont look white :noidea:


Finns look like Cro Magnons!

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/images_eman/cro_magnon_3.jpg
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Czech%20pics/headbrugar3.jpg

[Argang]

Finns are pure Europeans just like the Baltic and Scandinavian populations and I have a feeling that they are closer to Mongolians than they are to Sicillians although im not an expert on genes and whatnot.

If you're interested in the genetic plausibility of the idea, the fact that Saami have more genomewide similarity to pure Levantines like Druze than Mongolians and Yakuts (supplementary information table (http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v19/n3/suppinfo/ejhg2010179s1.html?url=/ejhg/journal/v19/n3/full/ejhg2010179a.html)) should give a hint.

It's kind of like asking who's closer to scousers, Irish or Punjabis, a riddle for our times. :laugh:

[Äijä]

What do you Argang think about modern Slovenes being very pure Wends?

[Cristiano viejo]

Finns are the most blonde Europeans.
Come on man, being blonde means nothing.Perhaps do you think that being blonde means whiter/European than non blonde?

Plus, you can be blonde but dont look European
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2010+Laureus+Awards+Nominations+RYw6PW-HGdTl.jpg


Finns look like Cro Magnons!

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/images_eman/cro_magnon_3.jpg
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/Czech%20pics/headbrugar3.jpg
Any country has Cromagnon specimens. For example in Spain we have a kind of Cromagnon, the Berid.
But hey, is these Finns a Cromagnon?

http://media1.picsearch.com/is?QtRBziFJUTE6kcU8uxmSQPEitCFt0BszR-3YJPnGK64&height=227
http://ist2-1.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/6/5/3/8/65387/1/u/x/T/1uxTO/586891_m.jpg
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f2/14826d1194470493-8-people-killed-shooting-incident-high-school-jokela-finland-natural-selector-0..jpg

last one is blonde :lightbul:

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Come on man, being blonde means nothing.Perhaps do you think that being blonde means whiter/European than non blonde?

Plus, you can be blonde but dont look European
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2010+Laureus+Awards+Nominations+RYw6PW-HGdTl.jpg


Any country has Cromagnon specimens. For example in Spain we have a kind of Cromagnon, the Berid.
But hey, is these Finns a Cromagnon?

http://media1.picsearch.com/is?QtRBziFJUTE6kcU8uxmSQPEitCFt0BszR-3YJPnGK64&height=227
http://ist2-1.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/6/5/3/8/65387/1/u/x/T/1uxTO/586891_m.jpg
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f2/14826d1194470493-8-people-killed-shooting-incident-high-school-jokela-finland-natural-selector-0..jpg

last one is blonde :lightbul:

Cro Magnon is often used wrong on this site since Cro Magnon man came out closest to Finland.

Compared to Finns & real Cro Magnon then the Berid aren't real Cro Magnons.

[archangel]

Mongolians IMHO Finns are cool btw

[Äijä]

Come on man, being blonde means nothing.Perhaps do you think that being blonde means whiter/European than non blonde?

Plus, you can be blonde but dont look European
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2010+Laureus+Awards+Nominations+RYw6PW-HGdTl.jpg


Any country has Cromagnon specimens. For example in Spain we have a kind of Cromagnon, the Berid.
But hey, is these Finns a Cromagnon?

http://media1.picsearch.com/is?QtRBziFJUTE6kcU8uxmSQPEitCFt0BszR-3YJPnGK64&height=227
http://ist2-1.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/6/5/3/8/65387/1/u/x/T/1uxTO/586891_m.jpg
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f2/14826d1194470493-8-people-killed-shooting-incident-high-school-jokela-finland-natural-selector-0..jpg

last one is blonde :lightbul:

I can find Spanish that look Arabs.

Do really claim those are common in Finland? Post group photos where they can be spotted? Look at the Swede on the right.

[Äijä]

These players are all over Finland, we might be barbarians and ugly but we are not Mongols.

http://suurtampere.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Sotshi_2014_pelipaidat_JoelKiviranta_MiroKeskitalo _03-480x290.jpg

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/images/185/3129208_2048_1151.jpg?preset=article

http://www.hameensanomat.fi/sites/default/files/styles/node-teaser-thumbnail/public/images/2803juusoHietanenTA.jpg?itok=pw92B-mV

http://kiekko.pohjalainen.fi/6/articleImage/?2de4d9748ea32ea573fd46b77dc44466-Main-POH.jpg

http://veikkaajat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ortio.jpg

http://static.iltalehti.fi/mmjaakiekko2013/granuetu1405VVV_820_jc.jpg

http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/oletus/560/1305550973946?ts=575

http://hs12.snstatic.fi/webkuva/oletus/560/1305674066046?ts=753

http://im.mtv.fi/image/1274260/landscape16_9/555/313/cedaf2d6142d2dd4f4dc6034ad30196c/tp/888886.jpg

http://data.whicdn.com/images/9886869/1137588-max555x555_large.jpg

http://sportti.com/kuvapankki/lauri_korpikoski.png

[fergusgiselle]

I read that the Swedes and the finns are the most alike... Nothing wrong with a mixture of their blood! I'm freekin proud

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[Äijä]

I read that the Swedes and the finns are the most alike... Nothing wrong with a mixture of their blood! I'm freekin proud

<a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/andyjsisabigspunk/media/Facebook/iOS%20Photos/1924682_623961631031279_1058264965_n.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/andyjsisabigspunk/Facebook/iOS%20Photos/1924682_623961631031279_1058264965_n.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1924682_623961631031279_1058264965_n.jpg"/></a>

You have Finnish family?

[Kalimtari]

Sicily of course

[Caismeachd]

Finns

http://www.ilbe.com/files/attach/new/20131018/377678/1000967038/2199852158/efec7b31b213bf77843ad73f3b0e174b.jpg

Don't really look very much like Sicilians at all.

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Filthy-Arab.jpg

But I suppose there is some overlap.

[Kalimtari]

Sicilians:

http://www.startupwecan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/roberto-bonzio-foto-finale.jpg
http://www.media.inaf.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/p1010008.jpg
http://www.liberareggio.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/immagine-001.jpg


Mongolians:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2764/4443127862_ae00a66dfb_o.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6vVPQGGIvY4/UAp-MID3cNI/AAAAAAAAAYo/WBMLx351bOg/s1600/Olympic+team.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TVzGNwlbuI4/UAVnwix9SjI/AAAAAAAAC-s/RUv8YdmEX0s/s1600/!+MONGOLIA+INNER++Art+College+Inner+Mongolia+Univ+ Music+at+Vartov+July+2012+Photo+Hasse+Ferrold+8a.j pg

btw, I find both nations/groups generally good looking

[SKYNET]

Finns are best engineers and very educated people

[Cristiano viejo]

I can find Spanish that look Arabs.
Yes, there are Spaniards who look Arabs (also Finns, look Niki Maenpaa), what does not mean that they are it. Percentage of Arab haplogrops in Spain are scarce, practically non existent. Nothing to do with the high 60% of N haplogroup of Finnish.
But yes, there are Spaniards so, of course, I dont deny it.


Do really claim those are common in Finland? Post group photos where they can be spotted? Look at the Swede on the right.

Humm, well not common, perhaps 10% according other sources, forums etc but, are Sicilian features common or more common than these Mongoloid features? I dont know, and so I ask.

[DebtCollector]

spaniard who would pass in china
http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/pohjanmaa/article6339270.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/espanjalaishoitajat.jpg

[Moonbird]

Sicilians. Mongolians are a different race.