Classify Mexican model Anelis Echegaray

[Awebo]

From Cuernavaca, Morelos
Height: 5'8" (173cm)
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[Armand_Duval]

Atlanto pueblid, harniza.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

Atlanto pueblid, harniza.
I think she's triracial.

[Steve-O]

Afro-mestiza

[Han Cholo]

She looks a bit like Tropico here. Creeeepy.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pt86xgm9ZCQ/U1SYhi5zYeI/AAAAAAAAMQk/dUatbaL1Dnw/h1600/1016869_635583649811974_1493164188_n.jpg

Even if Tri-racial, it is evident what the components that conform 90% of her appeareance are.

[Armand_Duval]

I cant see evident SSA admixture though.

[Han Cholo]

I cant see evident SSA admixture though.

Looks a bit exotic. Polynesian like. But models are selected often because of slightly exotic looks. Her eyes are a bit too far appart. But it is evident she has no obvious SSA features. It is impossible for a 20% or more African person to have looks like this. This look is also basically absent in all significantly African admixed populations that lack significant Amerindian influence. I could see someone like her in Venezuela or Colombia, but certainly among the least tri-racial element of the population.

[Armand_Duval]

She looks a bit like Tropico here. Creeeepy.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pt86xgm9ZCQ/U1SYhi5zYeI/AAAAAAAAMQk/dUatbaL1Dnw/h1600/1016869_635583649811974_1493164188_n.jpg

re.

I hope, for the sake of her future boyfriend, she doesnt pull out a dick at the time of having intimacy...hahahahahaha

[Armand_Duval]

Looks a bit exotic. Polynesian like. But models are selected often because of slightly exotic looks. Her eyes are a bit too far appart. But it is evident she has no obvious SSA features. It is impossible for a 20% or more African person to have looks like this. This look is also basically absent in all significantly African admixed populations that lack significant Amerindian influence. I could see someone like her in Venezuela or Colombia, but certainly among the least tri-racial element of the population.

Totally agree.

[Han Cholo]

Looks like a softer featured version of Orianka Kilcher:
http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/q-orianka-kilcher/q-orianka-kilcher-20070311-224359.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I cant see evident SSA admixture though.

Agreed. I also don't see any SSA admixture. Even if she did have some It must be small.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

Well she does resemble Tropico a bit doesn't she? I remember Tropico scored 15% NA and 12% SSA (more or less) so I would be expecting similar results from her. She also reminds me of this triracial Mexican girl I know who has known African ancestry from the coast. It's hard to say but that's just my guess.

[Kamal900]

She's absolutely gorgeous.

[Han Cholo]

Well she does resemble Tropico a bit doesn't she? I remember Tropico scored 15% NA and 12% SSA (more or less) so I would be expecting similar results from her. She also reminds me of this triracial Mexican girl I know who has known African ancestry from the coast. It's hard to say but that's just my guess.

Only in one pic. I'm sure she has higher indigenous admix than Tropico for starters, so it wouldn't be far fetched to assume she has lower SSA and other differences. I mean, take into account pure Africans look like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/images/020612_angolanos300.jpg

http://www.dw.de/image/0,,15758995_303,00.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/58084304.jpg

I fail to see any resemblance to her face. Most of her features certainly aren't product of Africa.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well she does resemble Tropico a bit doesn't she? I remember Tropico scored 15% NA and 12% SSA (more or less) so I would be expecting similar results from her. She also reminds me of this triracial Mexican girl I know who has known African ancestry from the coast. It's hard to say but that's just my guess.

Hijo, take the word of someone who is good at this. Of more better and good classifiers. :)

Take the word of el papa. You sit back and learn here.

[armenianbodyhair]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--4ilKRYRQBE/U1SX-y3XSUI/AAAAAAAAMQU/06pk-2qO5Cw/h1600/fxLD06S.jpg


What the actual fuck is this supposed to be?

[aherne]

Mostly Amerindian with European influences.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

What the actual fuck is this supposed to be?

The shape looks kind of like my dick. :p

[Kamal900]

Only in one pic. I'm sure she has higher indigenous admix than Tropico for starters, so it wouldn't be far fetched to assume she has lower SSA and other differences. I mean, take into account pure Africans look like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/images/020612_angolanos300.jpg

http://www.dw.de/image/0,,15758995_303,00.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/58084304.jpg

I fail to see any resemblance to her face. Most of her features certainly aren't product of Africa.

Dude, do you really have to post the last picture? I think i'm gonna puke.

[armenianbodyhair]

The shape looks kind of like my dick. :p
Probably, it sure as hell doesn't look natural on here.

[Han Cholo]

Dude, do you really have to post the last picture? I think i'm gonna puke.

Don't be racist.

[Kamal900]

What the actual fuck is this supposed to be?

Thats how the future humans will look like. ME ftw!

[Kamal900]

Don't be racist.

No i mean her tit is showing.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Dude, do you really have to post the last picture? I think i'm gonna puke.

What's wrong? I think someone had to post something to make a point. xD

[armenianbodyhair]

Thats how the future humans will look like. ME ftw!

I've never been happier to be mortal.

[Han Cholo]

No i mean her tit is showing.

It's their folk dress. It's always hot there in Africa so they don't need clothes to keep warm like us in more extreme climates.

[Kamal900]

I've never been happier to be mortal.

fuck vampires and elves, humans FTW!

[Awebo]

Bump

[Lemonhead]

Looks Mestiza to me, I don't see any SSA influence.

[Han Cholo]

Looks Mestiza to me, I don't see any SSA influence.

Have you noticed how these dummy niggaz always hog around relatively light mestizos thread to say they're "SSA influenced" or "Afro Mestizos", or even "it looks Dominican" yet no one of us go into their mulatto threads to say they look "Indigenous influenced" or "Indo-Mulattos" or say they fit better in Mexico than Dummynigga Republic?

Food for thought. It's obvious who wants to be linked with who.

[Smeagol]

Looks like just Amerindian-Mediterranoid blend. I see no SSA.

[Smeagol]

I mean, take into account pure Africans look like this

Wow, it's hard to tell apart the males from the females by just looking at their faces.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Definitely Tri Racial, for this reason looks more like a typical Colombian or Venezuelan than a typical Mexican.

Predominantly Atlanto Med - Significantly Pueblid - Minor Sudanid.

[Han Cholo]

Definitely Tri Racial, for this reason looks more like a typical Colombian or Venezuelan than a typical Mexican.

Predominantly Atlanto Med - Significantly Pueblid - Minor Sudanid.

But she only looks like certain Colombians that don't have any significant SSA. There is no typical Colombian or Venezuelan, that's non-sense. Those are very segregated and varied countries.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Looks like just Amerindian-Mediterranoid blend. I see no SSA.

This.

My classification for her also.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

But she only looks like certain Colombians that don't have any significant SSA. There is no typical Colombian or Venezuelan, that's non-sense. Those are very segregated and varied countries.

I live in New York in the 2nd largest Guatemalan community in the U.S.A where we also have many Mexicans from Puebla & Mexico city.

I know very well what Indios look like from that.

We also have many Colombians & Venezuelans in the region.

This woman has minor African ancestry for sure she would look so alien to real Indios like the Guatemalans & looks more like a Colombian or Venezuelan.

Also many Colombians & Venezuelans have apparent African features mixed in.

[Han Cholo]

I live in New York in the 2nd largest Guatemalan community in the U.S.A where we also have many Mexicans from Puebla & Mexico city.

I know very well what Indios look like from that.

We also have many Colombians & Venezuelans in the region.

This woman has minor African ancestry for sure she would look so alien to real Indios like the Guatemalans & looks more like a Colombian or Venezuelan.

Also many Colombians & Venezuelans have apparent African features mixed in.

Yes, fine. But we aren't dealing with indios here. She's mestiza and from a mestizo region. The only thing that would make me doubt a bit is the widely spaced eyes. But that isn't necessarily SSA. There are cases of indios looking like this:

46457

Even if this is off-topic, the fact that you think she looks different from "pure indios" just because she has some supposed SSA admixture and not the overwhelming (at least 55%) caucasian admixture is pure idiocy. Have you seen how pure blacks look?

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Yes, fine. But we aren't dealing with indios here. She's mestiza and from a mestizo region. The only thing that would make me doubt a bit is the widely spaced eyes. But that isn't necessarily SSA. There are cases of indios looking like this:

46457

Even if this is off-topic, the fact that you think she looks different from "pure indios" just because she has some supposed SSA admixture and not the overwhelming (at least 55%) caucasian admixture is pure idiocy. Have you seen how pure blacks look?

A lot of Guatemalans are Mestizos but predominantly Indio.

She wouldn't pass as a Guatemalan I know so I see Guatemalans almost daily.

She looks slightly African compared to true Mestizos.

Look at that George Zimmerman who is part Afro Peruvian & who looks less African than Zimmerman does!

Even George Lopez had minor African mixture & she looks more African than George Lopez does.

[Steve-O]

Have you noticed how these dummy niggaz always hog around relatively light mestizos thread to say they're "SSA influenced" or "Afro Mestizos", or even "it looks Dominican" yet no one of us go into their mulatto threads to say they look "Indigenous influenced" or "Indo-Mulattos" or say they fit better in Mexico than Dummynigga Republic?

Food for thought. It's obvious who wants to be linked with who.


But there are very few Dominicans on this forum, in fact there is only one truly active Dominican here (myself) and whenever I classify a mestizo I only give my honest opinion. You're taking these perceived incidences and amplifying on them in an attempt to make yourself feel better. One obvious pattern I have noticed here on TA is a tendency for Mexicans to try to link themselves with Europeans and whites. It's no coincidence that there are so many Mexicans here on a European forum.

[Han Cholo]

But there are very few Dominicans on this forum, in fact there is only one truly active Dominican here (myself) and whenever I classify a mestizo I only give my honest opinion. You're taking these perceived incidences and amplifying on them in an attempt to make yourself feel better. The only obvious patterns I can see here on TA is a tendency for Mexicans to try to link themselves with Europeans and whites.

I've never seen it. I defend true autochtonous Mexico. On the other hand, on a quick look at your Dominican threads (including classifications) one can see that you deliberately choose the least black ones. I also was not talking specifically about this forum but several others I've had a look at.

When we say indigenous traits blend better with other Eurasians, it is not "trying to link ourselves with European" but a mathematical fact given the genetic distance between Amerindians vs. the rest of Eurasians.

[Han Cholo]

A lot of Guatemalans are Mestizos but predominantly Indio.

She wouldn't pass as a Guatemalan I know so I see Guatemalans almost daily.

She looks slightly African compared to true Mestizos.

Look at that George Zimmerman who is part Afro Peruvian & who looks less African than Zimmerman does!

Even George Lopez had minor African mixture & she looks more African than George Lopez does.

So what? I bet most Mexicans on this forum don't look Guatemalan either. It surely must be because we are all niggaz :rolleyes:

[Steve-O]

I've never seen it. On the other hand, on a quick look at your Dominican threads (including classifications) one can see that you deliberately choose the least black ones. I also was not talking specifically about this forum but several others I've had a look at.

Lol, my Dominican thread is nothing out of the ordinary phenotype wise. You're just in shock because you probably think we all look like Sammy Sosa. I do post a lot of pred Euros on my classification threads (duh this is a European forum) and the majority of them are purposely SSA influenced. Only recently have I posted actual white Dominicans and I did it just for kicks and gigs because I know it grinds on some of your people's gears.

[Iroczor]

A lot of Guatemalans are Mestizos but predominantly Indio.

She wouldn't pass as a Guatemalan I know so I see Guatemalans almost daily.

She looks slightly African compared to true Mestizos.

Look at that George Zimmerman who is part Afro Peruvian & who looks less African than Zimmerman does!

Even George Lopez had minor African mixture & she looks more African than George Lopez does.

Fineline aka Matt is that you? I recognize those sentences from somewhere lol

[Han Cholo]

Lol, my Dominican thread is nothing out of the ordinary phenotype wise. You're just in shock because you probably think we all look like Sammy Sosa. I do post a lot of pred Euros on my classification threads (duh this is a European forum) and the majority of them are purposely SSA influenced. Only recently have I posted actual white Dominicans and I did it just for kicks and gigs because I know it grinds on some of your people's gears.

It doesn't, unless you think confirming preconceived stereotypes is "grinding gears", of course:
https://brownbazooka.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/untitled-1.jpg?w=420

Wannabeism is strong in your national psyche.


Black denial
Nearly all Dominican women straighten their hair, which experts say is a direct result of a historical learned rejection of all things black
By Frances Robles
frobles@miamiherald.com

SANTO DOMINGO -- Yara Matos sat still while long, shiny locks from China were fastened, bit by bit, to her coarse hair.

Not that Matos has anything against her natural curls, even though Dominicans call that pelo malo -- bad hair.

But a professional Dominican woman just should not have bad hair, she said. "If you're working in a bank, you don't want some barrio-looking hair. Straight hair looks elegant," the bank teller said. "It's not that as a person of color I want to look white. I want to look pretty."

And to many in the Dominican Republic, to look pretty is to look less black.

Dominican hairdressers are internationally known for the best hair-straightening techniques. Store shelves are lined with rows of skin whiteners, hair relaxers and extensions.

Racial identification here is thorny and complex, defined not so much by skin color but by the texture of your hair, the width of your nose and even the depth of your pocket. The richer, the "whiter." And, experts say, it is fueled by a rejection of anything black.

"I always associated black with ugly. I was too dark and didn't have nice hair," said Catherine de la Rosa, a dark-skinned Dominican-American college student spending a semester here. "With time passing, I see I'm not black. I'm Latina.

"At home in New York everyone speaks of color of skin. Here, it's not about skin color. It's culture."

The only country in the Americas to be freed from black colonial rule -- neighboring Haiti -- the Dominican Republic still shows signs of racial wounds more than 200 years later. Presidents historically encouraged Dominicans to embrace Spanish Catholic roots rather than African ancestry.

Here, as in much of Latin America -- the "one drop rule'' works in reverse: One drop of white blood allows even very dark-skinned people to be considered white.
Capellan Dominquez, center, and Anthony Rosario, right, join others as they warm up for Carnival in February in the Cristo Rey area of Santo Domingo. (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

LACK OF INTEREST

As black intellectuals here try to muster a movement to embrace the nation's African roots, they acknowledge that it has been a mostly fruitless cause. Black pride organizations such as Black Woman's Identity fizzled for lack of widespread interest. There was outcry in the media when the Brotherhood of the Congos of the Holy Spirit -- a community with roots in Africa -- was declared an oral patrimony of humanity by UNESCO. "There are many times that I think of just leaving this country because it's too hard," said Juan Rodríguez Acosta, curator of the Museum of the Dominican Man. Acosta, who is black, has pushed for the museum to include controversial exhibits that reflect many Dominicans' African background. "But then I think: Well if I don't stay here to change things, how will things ever change?"

A walk down city streets shows a country where blacks and dark-skinned people vastly outnumber whites, and most estimates say that 90 percent of Dominicans are black or of mixed race. Yet census figures say only 11 percent of the country's nine million people are black.

To many Dominicans, to be black is to be Haitian. So dark-skinned Dominicans tend to describe themselves as any of the dozen or so racial categories that date back hundreds of years -- Indian, burned Indian, dirty Indian, washed Indian, dark Indian, cinnamon, moreno or mulatto, but rarely negro.

The Dominican Republic is not the only nation with so many words to describe skin color. Asked in a 1976 census survey to describe their own complexions, Brazilians came up with 136 different terms, including café au lait, sunburned, morena, Malaysian woman, singed and "toasted."

"The Cuban black was told he was black. The Dominican black was told he was Indian," said Dominican historian Celsa Albert, who is black. "I am not Indian. That color does not exist. People used to tell me, ‘You are not black.' If I am not black, then I guess there are no blacks anywhere, because I have curly hair and dark skin."
Manuel Núñez (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

THE HISTORY

Using the word Indian to describe dark-skinned people is an attempt to distance Dominicans from any African roots, Albert and other experts said. She noted that it's not even historically accurate: The country's Taino Indians were virtually annihilated in the 1500s, shortly after Spanish colonizers arrived.

Researchers say the de-emphasizing of race in the Dominican Republic dates to the 1700s, when the sugar plantation economy collapsed and many slaves were freed and rose up in society.

Later came the rocky history with Haiti, which shares the island of Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic. Haiti's slaves revolted against the French and in 1804 established their own nation. In 1822, Haitians took over the entire island, ruling the predominantly Hispanic Dominican Republic for 22 years.

To this day, the Dominican Republic celebrates its independence not from centuries-long colonizer Spain, but from Haiti.

"The problem is Haitians developed a policy of black-centrism and . . . Dominicans don't respond to that," said scholar Manuel Núñez, who is black. "Dominican is not a color of skin, like the Haitian."

Dictator Rafael Trujillo, who ruled from 1930 to 1961, strongly promoted anti-Haitian sentiments, and is blamed for creating the many racial categories that avoided the use of the word "black."

The practice continued under President Joaquín Balaguer, who often complained that Haitians were "darkening'' the country. In the 1990s, he was blamed for thwarting the presidential aspirations of leading black candidate José Francisco Peña Gómez by spreading rumors that he was actually Haitian.
Dominican girls Luz Freiney Paulina, from left, Esther Celeste Santana, Mayelin Eloisa Valdez and Melisa Valdez, comprise the dance troupe Las Nizas. Below, Dominican author Manuel Nunez writes about the issues of 'black' and 'Dominican' as they relate to the history in his country. (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

"Under Trujillo, being black was the worst thing you could be," said Afro-Dominican poet Blas Jiménez. "Now we are Dominican, because we are not Haitian. We are something, because we are not that."

Jiménez remembers when he got his first passport, the clerk labeled him "Indian." He protested to the director of the agency.

"I remember the man saying, ‘If he wants to be black, let him be black!' '' Jiménez said.

Resentment toward anything Haitian continues, as an estimated one million Haitians live in the Dominican Republic, most working in the sugar and construction industries. Mass deportations often mistakenly include black Dominicans, and Haitians have been periodically lynched in mob violence. The government has been trying to deny citizenship and public education to the Dominican-born children of illegal Haitian migrants.

When migrant-rights activist Sonia Pierre won the prestigious Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award in 2006, the government responded by trying to revoke her citizenship, saying she is actually Haitian.

"There's tremendous resistance to blackness -- black is something bad," said black feminist Sergia Galván. ‘‘Black is associated with dark, illegal, ugly, clandestine things. There is a prototype of beauty here and a lot of social pressure. There are schools where braids and natural hair are prohibited."

Galván and a loosely knit group of women have protested European canons of beauty, once going so far as to rally outside a beauty pageant. She and other experts say it is now more common to see darker-skinned women in the contests -- but they never win.
Mariana Ramirez smiles as she sits in Daisy Gran Salon in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

CULTURE PULL

Several women said the cultural rejection of African looking hair is so strong that people often shout insults at women with natural curls.

"I cannot take the bus because people pull my hair and stick combs in it," said wavy haired performance artist Xiomara Fortuna. "They ask me if I just got out of prison. People just don't want that image to be seen."

The hours spent on hair extensions and painful chemical straightening treatments are actually an expression of nationalism, said Ginetta Candelario, who studies the complexities of Dominican race and beauty at Smith College in Massachusetts. And to some of the women who relax their hair, it's simply a way to have soft manageable hair in the Dominican Republic's stifling humidity.

"It's not self-hate," Candelario said. "Going through that is to love yourself a lot. That's someone saying, ‘I am going to take care of me.' It's nationalist, it's affirmative and celebrating self."

Money, education, class -- and of course straight hair -- can make dark-skinned Dominicans be perceived as more "white," she said. Many black Dominicans here say they never knew they were black -- until they visited the United States.

"During the Trujillo regime, people who were dark skinned were rejected, so they created their own mechanism to fight it," said Ramona Hernández, Director of the Dominican Studies Institute at City College in New York. "When you ask, ‘What are you?' they don't give you the answer you want . . . saying we don't want to deal with our blackness is simply what you want to hear."

Hernández, who has olive-toned skin and a long mane of hair she blows out straight, acknowledges she would "never, never, never'' go to a university meeting with her natural curls.
Product promoter Margarita Munoz, right, tidies up the shelf displaying her company's hair-straightening products in a Santo Domingo market. (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

"That's a woman trying to look cute; I'm a sociologist," she said.

Asked if a black Dominican woman can be considered beautiful in her country, Hernández leapt to her feet.

"You should see how they come in here with their big asses!'' she said, shuffling across her office with her arms extended behind her back, simulating an enormous rear-end. "They come in here thinking they are all that, and I think, 'doesn't she know she's not really pretty?' "

Maria Elena Polanca is a black woman with the striking good looks. She said most Dominicans look at her with curiosity, as if a black woman being beautiful were something strange.

She spends her days promoting a hair straightener at La Sirena, a Santo Domingo department store that features an astonishing array of hair straightening products.

"Look, we have bad hair, bad. Nobody says 'curly.' It's bad," she said. "You can't go out like that. People will say, 'Look at that nest! Someone light a match!' ''
Angela Martinez, 12, left, entertains friend Estefany Diaz, 10, as Estefany's sister Ariela does her hair in the Paraiso de Dios neighborhood west of Santo Domingo, a scene that plays out on the streets throughout much of the Dominican Republic. (Candace Barbot/Miami Herald)

'IT WAS HURTFUL'

Purdue University professor Dawn Stinchcomb, who is African American, said that when she came here in 1999 to study African influences in literature, people insulted her in the street.

Waiters refused to serve her. People wouldn't help Stinchcomb with her research, saying if she wanted to study Africans, she'd have to go to Haiti.

"I had people on the streets . . . yell at me to get out of the sun because I was already black enough," she said. "It was hurtful. . . . I was raised in the South and thought I could handle any racial comment. I never before experienced anything like I did in the Dominican Republic.

"I don't have a problem when people who don't look like me say hurtful things. But when it's people who look just like me?"

[Iroczor]

She dosen't look very mestiza I think she might be part SSA, like a venezuelan or a costal colombian

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

But there are very few Dominicans on this forum, in fact there is only one truly active Dominican here (myself) and whenever I classify a mestizo I only give my honest opinion. You're taking these perceived incidences and amplifying on them in an attempt to make yourself feel better.

Why you edit your comment for? You dumb piece of shit We are not you fucking Dominican niggers who are self-hating like you Dominegros that always try to whiten Dominicans up and are are in denials of your Haitain roots. :p

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

She dosen't look very mestiza I think she might be part SSA, like a venezuelan or a costal colombian

Where do you see the SSA? can you point it out? like where what part of her features obvious shows Negro? because I don't see it anywhere. :p

[Steve-O]

It doesn't, unless you think confirming preconceived stereotypes is "grinding gears", of course:
https://brownbazooka.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/untitled-1.jpg?w=420

Wannabeism is strong in your national psyche.


Sammy Sosa's isolated case has gotten very old, man. You guys need to hurry up and find some new material because the truth is starting to show.

Let me reiterate the fact for you that skin bleaching is very uncommon in the Dominican Republic. A very small country who's expatriate population is irrelevant and far from you and pretty much every other Mexican on this forum. Yet you all insist with the accusations.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

It doesn't, unless you think confirming preconceived stereotypes is "grinding gears", of course:
https://brownbazooka.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/untitled-1.jpg?w=420

Wannabeism is strong in your national psyche.

Typical DomiNegrocan.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Sammy Sosa's isolated case has gotten very old, man. You guys need to hurry up and find some new material because the truth is starting to show. Let me reiterate the fact for you that skin bleaching is very uncommon in the Dominican Republic. A very small country who's expatriate population is irrelevant and far from you and pretty much every Mexican on this forum. Yet they insist with the accusations.

Negrominican please. :D

[Han Cholo]

Sammy Sosa's isolated case has gotten very old, man. You guys need to hurry up and find some new material because the truth is starting to show.

Let me reiterate the fact for you that skin bleaching is very uncommon in the Dominican Republic. A very small country who's expatriate population is irrelevant and far from you and pretty much every other Mexican on this forum. Yet you all insist with the accusations.

The article is the important matter, not the baseballer.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Lol, my Dominican thread is nothing out of the ordinary phenotype wise. You're just in shock because you probably think we all look like Sammy Sosa. I do post a lot of pred Euros on my classification threads (duh this is a European forum) and the majority of them are purposely SSA influenced. Only recently have I posted actual white Dominicans and I did it just for kicks and gigs because I know it grinds on some of your people's gears.

Really? nothing of the "Ordinary" my ass. All you did was post white dominicans under name "spins" :D

[Awebo]

:bump2:

[Carlito's Way]

she looks pred pueblid with med influences, she fits in southern Mexico perfectly

[JeanBaMac]

Baskid + Pueblid.

[pao-]

I don't see the slightest exoticism in her that would remotely resemble SSA ancestry :-|

[Awebo]

Bumpity bump.

[Awebo]

Other opinions?

[Awebo]

Going up!

[Manifest Destiny]

She looks like a female version of that half-Mexican/half American-Indian guy from the Black Eyed Peas that someone posted in another thread.

[vibrant_]

Lol everyone on here hates Dominicans wtf

[Sikeliot]

Mestiza. She has a Basque surname btw.

[Sikeliot]

Lol everyone on here hates Dominicans wtf

It's not just Dominicans, but any black person. They don't like African Americans, Cape Verdeans etc. either.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

It's not just Dominicans, but any black person. They don't like African Americans, Cape Verdeans etc. either.

That is misinformation (false). It's just Dominicans. :thumb001:

[nose]

yo no le beo lo pueblid por ningun lado .i. jodanse

[vibrant_]

Lol well I could give two shits I was just pointing it out.

[Iroczor]

Lol well I could give two shits I was just pointing it out.

so just ignore it

[Iroczor]

Where do you see the SSA? can you point it out? like where what part of her features obvious shows Negro? because I don't see it anywhere. :p

well, she looks very exotic phenotipically wise, i don't see her passing in europe at all.

[Steve-O]

These Mexicans just have low self-esteem. They need black people around in order to feel better about themselves and they are butthurt by the more ambiguous off-white mulattos. Same for Sikeliot, but to a lesser degree.

Like, how can these Mexicans hate black people so much if there are no black people in Mexico? :lol:

[Steve-O]

Lol well I could give two shits I was just pointing it out.

Yeah, don't mind the ugly people sweety. Misery loves company after all.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

These Mexicans just have low self-esteem. They need black people around in order to feel better about themselves and they are butthurt by the more ambiguous off-white mulattos. Same for Sikeliot, but to a lesser degree.

Like, how can these Mexicans hate black people so much if there are no black people in Mexico? :lol:

Right, you guys aren't the problem. Surely it's everyone else who's wrong right? :rolleyes:

Except for Hassad, no one hates black people. People hate Dominicans get it straight. :picard1:

[Steve-O]

Right, you guys aren't the problem. Surely it's everyone else who's wrong right? :rolleyes:

Except for Hassad, no one hates black people. People hate Dominicans get it straight. :picard1:

Oh I'm sure you hate Dominicans. They must be giving you guys a hard time out there in California, those damn Dominicanos! :rant:








But really LOL

[Armando Esteban Quito]

Oh I'm sure you hate Dominicans. They must be giving you guys a hard time out there in California, those damn Dominicanos! :rant:








But really LOL

Luckily there aren't any here and the majority are confined within the spaces of New York and similar grimy holes.

[Steve-O]

Luckily there aren't any here and the majority are confined within the spaces of New York and similar grimy holes.

I'm sure you've seen some Dominican tourists around out there, brah. But many are pretty ambiguous looking (some of them are white) :thumb001:

[vibrant_]

Right, you guys aren't the problem. Surely it's everyone else who's wrong right? :rolleyes:

Except for Hassad, no one hates black people. People hate Dominicans get it straight. :picard1:

Lol and that's actually pathetic. Especially the fact that you say it so openly like it's something to be proud of. Smh

[Armando Esteban Quito]

Lol and that's actually pathetic. Especially the fact that you say it so openly like it's something to be proud of. Smh

Honesty is the best policy.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

I'm sure you've seen some Dominican animals around the zoo there brah. But many are pretty ambiguous looking (most of them wanabe white) :thumb001:

Fixed.

[Awebo]

Lol everyone on here hates Dominicans wtf
You have your inferiority complexed countryman Alex90 to thank for that. He sees SSA where there is none, claiming some mestizos posted here are actually mulattos to make him feel better about being one himself. Furthermore, I've exposed his delusional ass more than once trying to pass off people and places as being Dominican when they're not. :picard1:

[Sikeliot]

These Mexicans just have low self-esteem. They need black people around in order to feel better about themselves and they are butthurt by the more ambiguous off-white mulattos. Same for Sikeliot, but to a lesser degree.

Like, how can these Mexicans hate black people so much if there are no black people in Mexico? :lol:

I am not this way at all. I actually have some distant African ancestry and I am very interested in New World black populations, in a good way.

[Steve-O]

You have your inferiority complexed countryman Alex90 to thank for that. He sees SSA where there is none, claiming some mestizos posted here are actually mulattos to make him feel better about being one himself. Furthermore, I've exposed his delusional ass more than once trying to pass off people and places as being Dominican when they're not. :picard1:

That Brazillian actress was SSA influenced. And unlike the vast majority of you pathetic losers, I don't have an inferiority complex. When I say someone is SSA admixed, I'm not really trying to troll. Those one or two pics I posted in the Dominican thread you're still harping about was done inadvertently. You just can't wrap your head around that because it goes against your "agenda".

[Han Cholo]

That Brazillian actress was SSA influenced. And unlike the vast majority of you pathetic losers, I don't have an inferiority complex. When I say someone is SSA admixed, I'm not really trying to troll. And those one or two pics I posted in the Dominican thread you're still harping about was done inadvertently. You just can't wrap your head around that because it goes against your "agenda".

So basically what we have here is that everyone has an inferiority complex except you?

[Sikeliot]

That Brazillian actress was SSA influenced.

Which one?

[Steve-O]

I am not this way at all. I actually have some distant African ancestry and I am very interested in New World black populations, in a good way.

O.K. but you ought to be even more interested in your own ancestral origin, CV. You seem to be way more into Dominicans. Not even African Americans.

[Steve-O]

So basically what we have here is that everyone has an inferiority complex except you?

For the most part, apparently.

[Han Cholo]

For the most part, apparently.

Inferiority complex to whom?

[Felix Volkbein]

I see no SSA influence on this beautiful woman. As usual, Blacks/part-Blacks look for every possible way to leech off others in order to boost the standing of their own group. :rolleyes:

[Sikeliot]

O.K. but you ought to be even more interested in your own ancestral origin, CV. You seem to be way more into Dominicans. Not even African Americans.

I guess I feel the need to compensate for the fact that many Dominicans seem uninterested in their African heritage.. I often feel like by mentioning the significance of specific African regions to you guys, it'll spark a bit of interest.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

well, she looks very exotic phenotipically wise, i don't see her passing in europe at all.

You really have some agenda, of trying to negroidezed Mexican people, for a pred. Indio.

Anyway, you kidding me? lol so because she don't pass in europe, that turns her pheno into ssa influence? Really? I did not know that. :rolleyes:
Of course not she doesn't pass in Europe, because her look is what she is, mixed race, mestiza. You fool, fool. :picard1:

[Kamal900]

No offense to Dominicans but usually the SSA admixture tend to dominate the phenotype of a person more than any other racial group. For example, In this video she's half-Dominican/half-Lebanese, but she dosent look levantine at all but rather she looks like a Mulatta or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxV7UEIa_Rk

[Kamal900]

You really have some agenda, of trying to negroidezed Mexican people, for a pred. Indio.

Anyway, you kidding me? lol so because she don't pass in europe, that turns her pheno into ssa influence? Really? I did not know that. :rolleyes:
Of course not she doesn't pass in Europe, because her look is what she is, mixed race, mestiza. You fool, fool. :picard1:

The mexican model here is way more hotter than any Afram models that i've seen, like this half-Mexican/half-Nicaraguan of German/Lebanese ancestry, Farah Esquallit.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/4287/52907241705865165280733.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3968/54568226891305653083019.jpg

[Awebo]

That Brazillian actress was SSA influenced. And unlike the vast majority of you pathetic losers, I don't have an inferiority complex. When I say someone is SSA admixed, I'm not really trying to troll. Those one or two pics I posted in the Dominican thread you're still harping about was done inadvertently. You just can't wrap your head around that because it goes against your "agenda".

No, she wasn't, and the vast majority of other members agreed she didn't show any SSA. Just like in this thread, almost 100% of posters don't see eye to eye with your classification. And yet you have the nerve to say we're the ones with the inferiority complex? :picard1:

If it was just one picture you posted "inadvertently," I may have let it slide, but that isn't the case. It seems you have a habit of doing it and then justifying it by saying the said people or places could "easily" be Dominican, when you and I both know that's not true. :thumb001:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The mexican model here is way more hotter than any Afram models that i've seen, like this half-Mexican/half-Nicaraguan of German/Lebanese ancestry, Farah Esquallit.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/4287/52907241705865165280733.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/3968/54568226891305653083019.jpg
It must be that she is dominican similar Free.

[Steve-O]

No, she wasn't, and the vast majority of other members agreed she didn't show any SSA. Just like in this thread, almost 100% of posters don't see eye to eye with your classification. And yet you have the nerve to say we're the ones with the inferiority complex? :picard1:

If it was just one picture you posted "inadvertently," I may have let it slide, but that isn't the case. It seems you have a habit of doing it and then justifying it by saying the said people or places could "easily" be Dominican, when you and I both know that's not true. :thumb001:

In the DR, as she's seen in the pic I saw of her, noone would give her a double-take. I even posted a girl that looked so much like her, that I thought it was her. Believe me, if I had seen her true pics where she looks clearly mestiza, I would have not posted her.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96458-Dominican-Americans&p=2560252&viewfull=1#post2560252

[Han Cholo]

No, she wasn't, and the vast majority of other members agreed she didn't show any SSA. Just like in this thread, almost 100% of posters don't see eye to eye with your classification. And yet you have the nerve to say we're the ones with the inferiority complex? :picard1:

If it was just one picture you posted "inadvertently," I may have let it slide, but that isn't the case. It seems you have a habit of doing it and then justifying it by saying the said people or places could "easily" be Dominican, when you and I both know that's not true. :thumb001:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7rish5_EA08/TY_q7KEMOVI/AAAAAAAAACI/CGAD0SKKQ3o/s1600/guanajuato1.jpg

http://static1.absolutvalladolid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Alcazar%C3%A9n-en-Valladolid.jpg

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x8457671/valladolid_espa%C3%B1a_plaza_mayor_de_valladolid_e n_el_casco_hist%C3%B3rico_de_la_ciudad_T22-738671.jpg

OH, any place of Spain could be Mexico. xD

[Armando Esteban Quito]

No, she wasn't, and the vast majority of other members agreed she didn't show any SSA. Just like in this thread, almost 100% of posters don't see eye to eye with your classification. And yet you have the nerve to say we're the ones with the inferiority complex? :picard1:

If it was just one picture you posted "inadvertently," I may have let it slide, but that isn't the case. It seems you have a habit of doing it and then justifying it by saying the said people or places could "easily" be Dominican, when you and I both know that's not true. :thumb001:
I agree, just recently he posted YET ANOTHER photo of a Florida skyline and tried to pass it off as an Island of the Apes scenery. It also just happens that we're the ones with the inferiority complexes. :rolleyes:

[Sikeliot]

My issue is people saying Dominicans are "triracial", when they have not much more Amerindian than Mexicans have African. I.e. they are not triracial.

[Han Cholo]

My issue is people saying Dominicans are "triracial", when they have not much more Amerindian than Mexicans have African. I.e. they are not triracial.

They have more Amerindian than Mexicans have African though. Only 200 years ago their island was mostly Mestizo, Castizo, with a minority of African slaves, Mulattos, etc. similar to Colombia. Only after they were annexed by Haiti they started to look like this. They were invaded in a 8 to 1 outnumber.

Mexico on the other hand is the 3rd least African influenced country in the whole region excluding 2 countries which have a far smaller population and higher level of isolation: Chile and Paraguay.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

My issue is people saying Dominicans are "triracial", when they have not much more Amerindian than Mexicans have African. I.e. they are not triracial.

Yes, not. But delusional DomiNegros. It's a fact like the huge meatballs hanging between my legs.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

They have more Amerindian than Mexicans have African though. Only 200 years ago their island was mostly Mestizo, Castizo, with a minority of African slaves, Mulattos, etc. similar to Colombia. Only after they were annexed by Haiti they started to look like this. They were invaded in a 8 to 1 outnumber.

They where Haitianzed. now they a bunch of Hijos de Haitanos.

[Sikeliot]

They have more Amerindian than Mexicans have African though. Only 200 years ago their island was mostly Mestizo, Castizo, with a minority of African slaves, Mulattos, etc. similar to Colombia. Only after they were annexed by Haiti they started to look like this. They were invaded in a 8 to 1 outnumber.


This is false. Dominicans are descended from the slaves brought by the Spanish, hence why they score Senegalese, Ghanaian etc. ancestry and not the Congolese and Beninese that Haitians get. If they were black because of Haiti, they'd have more Beninese and Congolese than they currently do.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

This is false. Dominicans are descended from the slaves brought by the Spanish, hence why they score Senegalese, Ghanaian etc. ancestry and not the Congolese and Beninese that Haitians get. If they were black because of Haiti, they'd have more Beninese and Congolese than they currently do.

La mayoria de Republica Dominicana =Son Haitanos estupidos.

[Han Cholo]

This is false. Dominicans are descended from the slaves brought by the Spanish, hence why they score Senegalese, Ghanaian etc. ancestry and not the Congolese and Beninese that Haitians get. If they were black because of Haiti, they'd have more Beninese and Congolese than they currently do.

Wrong. The fact they score a little different African doesn't mean anything. Let's check some history:

A group of Dominican politicians and military officers favored uniting the newly independent nation with Haiti, as they sought for political stability under Haitian president Jean Pierre Boyer, and were attracted to Haiti's perceived wealth and power at the time. A large faction based in the northern Cibao region were opposed to the union with Gran Colombia and also sided with Haiti. Boyer, on the other hand, had several objectives in the island that he proclaimed to be "one and indivisible": to maintain Haitian independence against potential French or Spanish attack or reconquest; to maintain the freedom of its former slaves; and to liberate the remaining slave minority on the Dominican side of the island.[8][9][10]

While appeasing the Dominicans, Jean Pierre Boyer was already in negotiations with France to prevent an attack by fourteen French warships stationed near Port-au-Prince, the Haitian capital. They soon agreed that France would sell the territory to the Haitian rebels for 150 million Francs (more than twice what France had charged the United States for the much larger Louisiana territory in 1803).

The Dominican nationalists who were against the unification of the island were at a serious disadvantage if they were to prevent this from occurring. At the time, they had no trained military forces whatsoever. The population was eight to ten times less than Haiti's, and the economy was stalled. Haiti, on the other hand, had formidable armed forces, both in skill and sheer size, which had been hardened in nearly ten years of repelling French Napoleonic soldiers, and British soldiers, along with the local colonialists, and military insurgents within the country. The racial massacres perpetrated in the later days of the French–Haitian conflict only added to the determination of Haitians to never lose a battle.


In order to raise funds for the huge indemnity of 150 million francs that Haiti agreed to pay the former French colonists, and which was subsequently lowered to 60 million francs, Haiti imposed heavy taxes on the Dominicans. Since Haiti was unable to adequately provision its army, the occupying forces largely survived by commandeering or confiscating food and supplies at gunpoint. Attempts to redistribute land conflicted with the system of communal land tenure (terrenos comuneros), which had arisen with the ranching economy, and newly emancipated slaves resented being forced to grow cash crops under Boyer's Code Rural.[11] In rural areas, the Haitian administration was usually too inefficient to enforce its own laws. It was in the city of Santo Domingo that the effects of the occupation were most acutely felt, and it was there that the movement for independence originated.

Haiti's constitution also forbade white elites from owning land, and the major landowning families were forcibly deprived of their properties. Most emigrated to Cuba, Puerto Rico (these two being Spanish possessions at the time) or Gran Colombia, usually with the encouragement of Haitian officials, who acquired their lands. The Haitians, who associated the Roman Catholic Church with the French slave-masters who had exploited them before independence, confiscated all church property, deported all foreign clergy, and severed the ties of the remaining clergy to the Vatican. Santo Domingo's university, the oldest in the Western Hemisphere, lacking both students and teachers had to close down, and thus the country suffered from a massive case of human capital flight.

Although the occupation effectively eliminated colonial slavery and instated a constitution modeled after the United States Constitution throughout the island, several resolutions and written dispositions were expressly aimed at converting average Dominicans into second-class citizens: restrictions of movement, prohibition to run for public office, night curfews, inability to travel in groups, banning of civilian organizations, and the indefinite closure of the state university (on the alleged grounds of its being a subversive organization) all led to the creation of movements advocating a forceful separation from Haiti with no compromises.

Yeah sure, this didn't have any impact of their demographics because a slightly divering African score (which are all still from the same region of Africa!).

Haiti set the black population in the island lose, slaughtered the original population, raped a lot of women, burned down their infrastructure, made lots of the population to immigrate and you expect me to believe this didn't have any demographic impact?

[Steve-O]

They have more Amerindian than Mexicans have African though. Only 200 years ago their island was mostly Mestizo, Castizo, with a minority of African slaves, Mulattos, etc. similar to Colombia. Only after they were annexed by Haiti they started to look like this. They were invaded in a 8 to 1 outnumber.

Mexico on the other hand is the 3rd least African influenced country in the whole region excluding 2 countries which have a far smaller population and higher level of isolation: Chile and Paraguay.


The Haitians did outnumber us by a lot, but by that time we weren't mestizos. Maybe we had a a good amount of castizos with some SSA in the mix. We looked more like Puerto Rico then I would say but we were still very mulatto.

The thing about the Haitian occupation though is that in start many Dominicans favored it. When we fought them as outnumbered as we were we still beat the shit out of them.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Esos dominegros me dan asco. son una bola de negros feos asquerosos haitanos.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The Haitians did outnumber us by a lot, but at that time we weren't mestizos. Maybe we had a a good amount of castizos with some SSA in the mix. We looked something like Puerto Rico but with more mulattos.

The thing about the Haitian occupation though is that in start many Dominicans favored it. When we fought them as outnumbered as we were we still beat the shit out of them.
Shut up Haitian, you're not fooling anybody here. You Haitian in denial. lol

[Sikeliot]

Wrong. The fact they score a little different African doesn't mean anything.

It does. The primary African ancestry in Haitians is from Benin, Congo, and Nigeria. For Dominicans it's Senegal, Ghana, and Angola. This is what DNA testing shows. If Dominicans were largely Haitian, their African ancestry must have changed miraculously, defying all odds.

[Han Cholo]

It does. The primary African ancestry in Haitians is from Benin, Congo, and Nigeria. For Dominicans it's Senegal, Ghana, and Angola. This is what DNA testing shows. If Dominicans were largely Haitian, their African ancestry must have changed miraculously, defying all odds.

Are you aware most of these countries almost border each other? :picard2: Read what I wrote. Do you think if the population is put as second class citizens, constantly attacked, forced to emigrate, with all infrastructure destroyed, this isn't going to have any impact?

http://cuwhist.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/africa-political-map.gif

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

It does. The primary African ancestry in Haitians is from Benin, Congo, and Nigeria. For Dominicans it's Senegal, Ghana, and Angola. This is what DNA testing shows. If Dominicans were largely Haitian, their African ancestry must have changed miraculously, defying all odds.

Like Hassad said, The fact they score a little different African doesn't mean anything. It's irrelevant. It don't change the fact that Most dominegros are Haitians. just see the face of many of them, it screams, Haitian negro.

[Kamal900]

Btw, the mexican model somewhat resembles to this half-Chinese/half-Middle eastern(her father is half iranian and half lebanese), Caroline Issa.

http://citizencouture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CC_2011_0211.jpg
http://www.lifestylemirror.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_gallery_item/public/00-caroline-issa-nyfw-beauty-secrets-640x480.jpg?itok=OnD6PaPl
http://becauselondon.com/media/20032/beauty_erin-caroline-issa-1.jpg
http://london.decodedfashion.com/wp-content/themes/dflondon/images/speakers/250/250_cariss.jpg

[Awebo]

In the DR, as she's seen in the pic I saw of her, noone would give her a double-take. I even posted a girl that looked so much like her, that I thought it was her. Believe me, if I had seen her true pics where she looks clearly mestiza, I would have not posted her.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96458-Dominican-Americans&p=2560252&viewfull=1#post2560252

Right... Let me grab some foreigners and post them in the Mexicans thread. As long as "no one gives them a double-take," it should be perfectly acceptable, correct? :picard1:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Btw, the mexican model somewhat resembles to this half-Chinese/half-Middle eastern(her father is half iranian and half lebanese), Caroline Issa.

http://citizencouture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CC_2011_0211.jpg
http://www.lifestylemirror.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_gallery_item/public/00-caroline-issa-nyfw-beauty-secrets-640x480.jpg?itok=OnD6PaPl
http://becauselondon.com/media/20032/beauty_erin-caroline-issa-1.jpg
http://london.decodedfashion.com/wp-content/themes/dflondon/images/speakers/250/250_cariss.jpg

Agreed.

[Han Cholo]

Right... Let me grab some foreigners and post them in the Mexicans thread. As long as "no one gives them a double-take," it should be perfectly acceptable, correct? :picard1:

If one feels the need to grab foreigners to prove how your population looks and after being discovered resort to invent excuses similar to this, then it's pretty obvious you're trying to prove something that doesn't exist in reality.

[Sikeliot]

Well Haitians don't have Senegalese ancestry, so at least SOME of Dominican ancestry comes from the original slaves.

[Kamal900]

Like Hassad said, The fact they score a little different African doesn't mean anything. It's irrelevant. It don't change the fact that Most dominegros are Haitians. just see the face of many of them, it screams, Haitian negro.

Well, both the Haitians and the Dominicans came from West Africa like these guys from Liberia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

[Han Cholo]

Well Haitians don't have Senegalese ancestry, so at least SOME of Dominican ancestry comes from the original slaves.

Of course they do, just like they still have SOME ancestry from the original colonial population. However you objectively can't downplay the impact of Haitian invasions considering the factors I mentioned to you.

[Gauthier]

This is false. Dominicans are descended from the slaves brought by the Spanish, hence why they score Senegalese, Ghanaian etc. ancestry and not the Congolese and Beninese that Haitians get. If they were black because of Haiti, they'd have more Beninese and Congolese than they currently do.

On AncestryDNA Dominicans score more Congolese than Puerto Ricans.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/PRsampDRs.jpg~original

[Kamal900]

Agreed.

So much for the model having SSA admixture, eh? rofl. The mexican model dosent have any SSA features, much like the half chinese model i have posted.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well Haitians don't have Senegalese ancestry, so at least SOME of Dominican ancestry comes from the original slaves.

In the end of the day, the average DomiNegro is mainly negro.

[Steve-O]

Right... Let me grab some foreigners and post them in the Mexicans thread. As long as "no one gives them a double-take," it should be perfectly acceptable, correct? :picard1:

Do you understand what the word inadvertently means?

http://images02.olx-st.com/ui/3/19/00/46591900_1.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

So much for the model having SSA admixture, eh? rofl. The mexican model dosent have any SSA features, much like the half chinese model i have posted.

Lol, They are fools. who need some glasses.

[Han Cholo]

Do you understand what the word inadvertently means?

http://images02.olx-st.com/ui/3/19/00/46591900_1.jpg

When so many things pass inadvertently, you can think only 2 things:
A) You are not very aware of what is surrounding you (sure, one person is ok, but mixing Florida was too much).
B) You are not doing things inadvertently but deliberately.

Which one of the two is it?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Do you understand what the word inadvertently means?

http://images02.olx-st.com/ui/3/19/00/46591900_1.jpg
The DomiNEGRO want to pretend is "smart" lol goodluck with that act.

[Steve-O]

When so many things pass inadvertently, you can think only 2 things:
A) You are not very aware of what is surrounding you (sure, one person is ok, but mixing Florida was too much).
B) You are not doing things inadvertently but deliberately.

Which one of the two is it?


This is all Santo Domingo. One pic of Miami would blend in with this skyline, gustele a quien no le guste.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?68675-Santo-Domingo-Republica-Dominicana-(est-1496)&p=2637091&viewfull=1#post2637091

[Awebo]

Do you understand what the word inadvertently means?

http://images02.olx-st.com/ui/3/19/00/46591900_1.jpg

Of course, but the term loses validity when it's overused. :thumb001:

[Armando Esteban Quito]

When so many things pass inadvertently, you can think only 2 things:
A) You are not very aware of what is surrounding you (sure, one person is ok, but mixing Florida was too much).
B) You are not doing things inadvertently but deliberately.

Which one of the two is it?

If he is 'inadvertently' and consistently posting inaccurate pictures then he is being lazy (by not doing the proper research) and thus doesn't mind if the pictures go by unnoticed. Either way, no matter which way the cookie crumbles it doesn't look good on him. So he is either a lazy idiot or a dishonest intellectual. I lean toward the former though. :rolleyes:

[Kamal900]

The DomiNEGRO want to pretend is "smart" lol goodluck with that act.

Take these half-Levantine/half-latin Americans, are they too different from their respective countries?(Levant region and any predominate mestizo countries in latin america).

Half Pali/ Half hispanics:

http://panampost.com/wp-content/uploads/elsalvador-saca.jpg
http://voces.org.sv/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tony-saca.jpg

http://static.tumblr.com/ydlg0td/mtrlx9cyv/aisktoqceaeagsw.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m632h7Gk2e1qhwdcyo1_500.jpg

(the two on the right are half mexican palis, while the other two are my cousins)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0490.jpg

half Lebanese:

http://i2.esmas.com/2012/03/07/344903/bibelot-manzur-610x325.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/CpWz.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Take these half-Levantine/half-latin Americans, are they too different from their respective countries?(Levant region and any predominate mestizo countries in latin america).

Half Pali/ Half hispanics:

http://panampost.com/wp-content/uploads/elsalvador-saca.jpg
http://voces.org.sv/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tony-saca.jpg

http://static.tumblr.com/ydlg0td/mtrlx9cyv/aisktoqceaeagsw.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m632h7Gk2e1qhwdcyo1_500.jpg

(the two on the right are half mexican palis, while the other two are my cousins)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0490.jpg

half Lebanese:

http://i2.esmas.com/2012/03/07/344903/bibelot-manzur-610x325.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/CpWz.jpg

They can pass as country men from most Latin American countries accept the more Negroid places like Dominican republic.

[Han Cholo]

Take these half-Levantine/half-latin Americans, are they too different from their respective countries?(Levant region and any predominate mestizo countries in latin america).

Half Pali/ Half hispanics:

http://panampost.com/wp-content/uploads/elsalvador-saca.jpg
http://voces.org.sv/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tony-saca.jpg

http://static.tumblr.com/ydlg0td/mtrlx9cyv/aisktoqceaeagsw.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m632h7Gk2e1qhwdcyo1_500.jpg

(the two on the right are half mexican palis, while the other two are my cousins)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0490.jpg

half Lebanese:

http://i2.esmas.com/2012/03/07/344903/bibelot-manzur-610x325.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/CpWz.jpg

All can pass as either I think.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

Ironically, Hassad , Awebo, and most of the Mexican nationals speak a far more fluent and sophisticated English than Alex90...there goes the irony in his pictures and his attempts to be funny.

[Sikeliot]

Ok now you're all being a bit mean.

[Kamal900]

They can pass as country men from most Latin American countries accept the more Negroid places like Dominican republic.

Which is why my parents dont like the idea(more like they're against) of me or my brother in marrying a black girl.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Which is why my parents dont like the idea(more like they're against) of me or my brother in marrying a black girl.

I have many relatives who also dont like the idea and are also against, dating/marring a black/negro. actually even my dad one time said to my sister also. just as a notice. lol

[Sikeliot]

My mom doesn't want my brother having children with a black woman. She says it took generations to get us all looking completely white, and that since we have not even seen a photo of a pure black relative but we have relatives born in the 1930s who look mixed race, it would take another 150 years for any relatives of ours to look fully white if my brother marries black.

[Han Cholo]

My mom doesn't want my brother having children with a black woman. She says it took generations to get us all looking completely white, and that since we have not even seen a photo of a pure black relative but we have relatives born in the 1930s who look mixed race, it would take another 150 years for any relatives of ours to look fully white if my brother marries black.

Reasonable concern, especially for a society like the USA.

[Sikeliot]

Reasonable concern, especially for a society like the USA.

My mom scores like 3% African on different tests, and her cousins (who are one generation older) look mixed race, but they are like only 6% African.

[Kamal900]

I have many relatives who also dont like the idea and are also against, dating/marring a black/negro. actually even my dad one time said to my sister also. just as a notice. lol

Well, think of it like having a shit stain on your underwear. Unlike other stains which can be removed in a matter of minutes, removing the shit stain may take a couple of hours to be fully removed, and you cant put the underwear in the washing machine either so.

[Han Cholo]

My mom scores like 3% African on different tests, and her cousins (who are one generation older) look mixed race, but they are like only 6% African.

Yet some Dominicans here insist that there are tercerones (33% Africans) or quarteroons (25% African) that look white, :dunno: and that they happen in high frequencies. SilverKnight once tried to argue light eyes and hair appeared more in mulattos than in mestizos :picard2: Not that this is too important, but clearly demonstrates how far they go in trivial exaggerations.

[Felix Volkbein]

(the two on the right are half mexican palis, while the other two are my cousins)
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0490.jpg





First girl on the left reminds me of someone I knew in college. Cute face.

[Sikeliot]

Yet some Dominicans here insist that there are tercerones (33% Africans) or quarteroons (25% African) who look white. :dunno:

This is around 6-8% African and she looks like a biracial baby ... and she looked mixed as an adult too.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1779104_417326088413613_710713150_n.jpg

[Han Cholo]

This is around 6-8% African and she looks like a biracial baby ... and she looked mixed as an adult too.


Nothing is too obvious to me in this pic, but I believe you. Babies are inevitably, more uniform looking than matured adults. Especially on a low-fi picture like this.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well, think of it like having a shit stain on your underwear. Unlike other stains which can be removed in a matter of minutes, removing the shit stain may take a couple of hours to be fully removed, and you cant put the underwear in the washing machine either so.

Yes. also as you know, most of my relatives, look like you can say here as clean mainly white looking underwear. almost fully clean white looking underwear. If they had a shit stain with them, it would total destroy the clean looking underwear look and will take time to removed of the shit stain.

[Sikeliot]

Nothing is too obvious to me in this pic, but I believe you. Babies are inevitably, more uniform looking than matured adults. Especially on a low-fi picture like this.

She looks like Halle Berry's daughter as a baby.

Ok try this. Does this woman look white (left)? She is around quadroon, and the blackest relative we have photos of.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1622688_417325988413623_1825814744_n.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

She looks like Halle Berry's daughter as a baby.

Ok try this. Does this woman look white (left)? She is around quadroon, and the blackest relative we have photos of.

**

Yeah, I see it. So yeah, what Hassad mention. is funny.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, I see it. So yeah, what Hassad mention. is funny.

Whether she looks blatantly "black" admixed, does the woman in the above photo look white?

If the photo was modern and up close, I think anyone would say quadroon. But the point is, that's as black as our photos get, yet it took forever before everyone looked unambiguously white. Even my great aunt looks offwhite.

[Kamal900]

Yes. also as you know, most of my relatives, look like you can say here as clean mainly white looking underwear. almost fully clean white looking underwear. If they had a shit stain with them, it would total destroy the clean looking underwear look and will take time to removed of the shit stain.

RMuller once told me that my uncle(his half brother of my dad paternally, and he is half-Pali/half-Syrian) looks like a mexican singer or something. The mustache make my unclue look like some mexican gunslinger or something(with a curly hair, ripped jeans and pointy boots then they're perfect).

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/416923_10151307311432975_104408778_n.jpg

[Kamal900]

Whether she looks blatantly "black" admixed, does the woman in the above photo look white?

If the photo was modern and up close, I think anyone would say quadroon. But the point is, that's as black as our photos get, yet it took forever before everyone looked unambiguously white. Even my great aunt looks offwhite.

Well, she looks like somewhat an Egyptian with 10 percent SSA or something.

[Han Cholo]

RMuller once told me that my uncle(his half brother of my dad paternally, and he is half-Pali/half-Syrian) looks like a mexican singer or something. The mustache make my unclue look like some mexican gunslinger or something(with a curly hair, ripped jeans and pointy boots then they're perfect).

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/416923_10151307311432975_104408778_n.jpg

Most Mexicans have straight hair though (although textures of wavy and even curly also appear). But I'd say 70% have straight hair. I've noticed in Levant, a lot of girls have wavish or curlish hair.

[Sikeliot]

Well, she looks like somewhat an Egyptian with 10 percent SSA or something.

It's definitely more than that amount. Especially if you compare her to the other woman in the photo.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Whether she looks blatantly "black" admixed, does the woman in the above photo look white?

If the photo was modern and up close, I think anyone would say quadroon. But the point is, that's as black as our photos get, yet it took forever before everyone looked unambiguously white. Even my great aunt looks offwhite.
Yeah, I agree. I see it, some non-Euro admixture in her. what I was saying I find funny that it's true, she who is 8%? marked her gene pool and a her look a little and the funny thing is some Dominegros, try to say they can pass as white or that they don't look black in average, who are over 40% SSA. lol

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, I agree. I see it, some non-Euro admixture in her. what I was saying I find funny that it's true, she who is 8%? marked her gene pool and a her look a little and the funny thing is some Dominegros, try to say they can pass as white or that they don't look black in average, who are over 40% SSA. lol

I think SSA ancestry can show phenotypically even into the single digits.

[Kamal900]

Most Mexicans have straight hair though (although textures of wavy and even curly also appear). But I'd say 70% have straight hair. I've noticed in Levant, a lot of girls have wavish or curlish hair.

Yes, like these Lebanese brazilians:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/curls.png (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/Kamal900/media/curls.png.html)
http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/eish-mondial-brazil-game/eish-mondial-lebanese-fans-2.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I think SSA ancestry can show phenotypically even into the single digits.

Some dominiggas have say to me, that on average they don't look black or mostly black. that I'm "Bullshiting" them, lol Bullshiting my ass. :D

[RMuller]

RMuller once told me that my uncle(his half brother of my dad paternally, and he is half-Pali/half-Syrian) looks like a mexican singer or something. The mustache make my unclue look like some mexican gunslinger or something(with a curly hair, ripped jeans and pointy boots then they're perfect).

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/416923_10151307311432975_104408778_n.jpg

I said they can pass for Mexican mafia members.

[Kamal900]

I said they can pass for Mexican mafia members.

You once showed me a picture of a mexican that looks very similar to my uncle wearing a cowboy hat.

[Kamal900]

Some dominiggas have say to me, that on average they don't look black or mostly black. that I'm "Bullshiting" them, lol Bullshiting my ass. :D

Well, I've been to the US and i saw the Dominicans are not that different from Aframs.

[Felix Volkbein]

I can usually spot Puerto Ricans by the niggerish hair most of them have. It must suck for them and the Dominicoons to see the more Mongoloid/Caucasoid Latins with beautiful straight hair while they're stuck with those Congoid brillo pads on their heads.

[RMuller]

You once showed me a picture of a mexican that looks very similar to my uncle wearing a cowboy hat.

That was Maximus not me.

[Kamal900]

I can usually spot Puerto Ricans by the niggerish hair most of them have. It must suck for them and the Dominicoons to see the more Mongoloid/Caucasoid Latins with beautiful straight hair while they're stuck with those Congoid brillo pads on their heads.

I dont understand why many people tend to think that mongoloid genes dominate when clearly its the african genes tend to dominate the person's phenotype more closer to his african side.

[Kamal900]

That was Maximus not me.

Oh, okay. He did once showed me a famous mexican singer who look very similar to my uncle(he's a castizo).

[Sikeliot]

I can usually spot Puerto Ricans by the niggerish hair most of them have. It must suck for them and the Dominicoons to see the more Mongoloid/Caucasoid Latins with beautiful straight hair while they're stuck with those Congoid brillo pads on their heads.

I have a different opinion of people of African descent than you, but I will say this. I know a Puerto Rican guy who looks pretty much offwhite if he has a hat on.. a bit tanned and you can tell he might have some African ancestry, but when you see his hair texture, he goes from looking offwhite and slightly mixed, to at least 25% African.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well, I've been to the US and i saw the Dominicans are not that different from Aframs.

The true. or should I say the mad true for some, them.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

I can usually spot Puerto Ricans by the niggerish hair most of them have. It must suck for them and the Dominicoons to see the more Mongoloid/Caucasoid Latins with beautiful straight hair while they're stuck with those Congoid brillo pads on their heads.

OMG THIS HAS TO BE THE FUNNIEST POST I'VE SEEN ALL MONTH. ALMOST MADE ME CHOKE MY DAMN FOOD.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[RMuller]

I have a different opinion of people of African descent than you, but I will say this. I know a Puerto Rican guy who looks pretty much offwhite if he has a hat on.. a bit tanned and you can tell he might have some African ancestry, but when you see his hair texture, he goes from looking offwhite and slightly mixed, to at least 25% African.

Octoroons must still show SSA hair? The Dominicans on ABF said that SSA hair disappeared once you were half white 'Mulato".

[Sikeliot]

Octoroons must still show SSA hair? The Dominicans on ABF said that SSA hair disappeared once you were half white 'Mulato".

This guy is clearly at least a quadroon, but you don't realize it until you see his entire face, hair included. It surprised me he has such African textured hair given the rest of his features.

Octoroon is something like this.. this guy has a grandfather who is a mulatto Jamaican:

http://cdn02.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/penn-polso/penn-badgley-polso-orologio-party-02.jpg

[Kamal900]

First girl on the left reminds me of someone I knew in college. Cute face.

Thats my cousin btw, along with brother. She told me that she's always been mistaken for a mexican.

[Hithaeglir]

Gorgeous!

[Steve-O]

Of course, but the term loses validity when it's overused. :thumb001:

I remember when one of you shameful losers tried to post Vida Guerra on the mestiza thread on ABF. I brought it upon time and one time only :lol:

http://www.wallpapers2000.com/pictures/v/Vida_Guerra-25577-1024x768.jpg

:picard2:

[Han Cholo]

I remember when one of you shameful losers tried to post Vida Guerra on the mestiza thread on ABF. I brought it upon time and one time only :lol:

http://www.wallpapers2000.com/pictures/v/Vida_Guerra-25577-1024x768.jpg

:picard2:

Yes, this might as well be a mestizo too:
http://www.eldiariomontanes.es/prensa/noticias/201104/22/fotos/4816926.jpg

[Kamal900]

I remember when one of you shameful losers tried to post Vida Guerra on the mestiza thread on ABF. I brought it upon time and one time only :lol:

http://www.wallpapers2000.com/pictures/v/Vida_Guerra-25577-1024x768.jpg

:picard2:

Its obvious that she has SSA features. I dont really see any Amerindian features but rather she looks like an ethiopian(Amharic) girl or something.

[Steve-O]

Yes, this might as well be a mestizo too:
http://www.eldiariomontanes.es/prensa/noticias/201104/22/fotos/4816926.jpg

He's almost a griffe. I don't know what you're trying to prove with that.

[Han Cholo]

He's almost a griffe. I don't know what you're trying to prove with that.

I'm trying to prove that your anecdotal evidences are non-sensical. Since when Mexicans like to associate clear SSA admixed people with themselves? Especially someone like her, that is so rampant it's not even funny. If someone claimed she looked mestiza, it could as well claim any Haitian looks mestizo.

[Kamal900]

Well, Alex90's picture isnt that Negroid or Mulatta either. She looks more caucasian with minor SSA features, especially her skin tone.

[Steve-O]

Its obvious that she has SSA features. I dont really see any Amerindian features but rather she looks like an ethiopian(Amharic) girl or something.


http://image.qpicture.com/image/v/artist-vida-guerra/218546.jpg

She's Cuban. She has 0 Amerindian blood, not to mention a really nice body which you will never see on a mestiza. You should have been on ABF a little while ago, the only mestizas they would post were really white or Levantine looking :picard2:

[Sikeliot]

Vida Guerra looks 20-25% SSA, and the rest white.

[Han Cholo]

She sure does :lol:
http://image.qpicture.com/image/v/artist-vida-guerra/218546.jpg

She's Cuban. She has 0 Amerindian blood, not to mention a really nice body which you will never see on a mestiza. You should have been on ABF a little while ago, the only mestizas they would post were really white or Levantine looking ones :picard2:

Says the mulatto who has a double chin. :naughty: "White" and Levantine looking mestizos are very common. People looking like that aren't a rarity like they would be in your islands. Remember it takes only 60% caucasian blood (barely over balanced) for mestizos to start looking very "caucasoidish", whereas it needs over 85% or 90% to make a mulatto start to look caucasoid.

Anyway who, and where was that said? Or only in your mind?

[Kamal900]

She sure does :lol:
http://image.qpicture.com/image/v/artist-vida-guerra/218546.jpg

She's Cuban. She has 0 Amerindian blood, not to mention a really nice body which you will never see on a mestiza. You should have been on ABF a little while ago, the only mestizas they would post were really white or Levantine looking ones :picard2:

She's cute btw, so yeah. I mean, she looks more caucasian(there are Ethiopians with more caucasian ancestry that look like her, especially the Amharic or Habesha), and i would say her SSA ancestry is around 15 percent or something.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

http://image.qpicture.com/image/v/artist-vida-guerra/218546.jpg

She's Cuban. She has 0 Amerindian blood, not to mention a really nice body which you will never see on a mestiza. You should have been on ABF a little while ago, the only mestizas they would post were really white or Levantine looking :picard2:

Why do you Dominegros in ABF post single faces pictures and post them in threads called "dominican people" he he he...DomiNegros in denial.

[Sikeliot]

Here is one. People posted Amelia Vega as a castiza, but she is clearly a quadroon who had a nose job. She looks like Jennifer Beals.

http://picture.fm/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/amelia-vega_d9mpUKPtIE-250x328.jpg
http://files.clubplanet.com/SiteFiles/ArticleImages/6519/Amelia_Vega_Agua_Dulce.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_SezQzXfLhw/TvrsGqGaCqI/AAAAAAAAAc0/vAOyYKQFxVs/s512/ameliagored1.jpg
http://cdn.enelbrasero.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Amelia-Vega-la-reina-de-Premio-Lo-Nuestro-2013.jpg

[Balmung]

She looks a bit like Tropico here. Creeeepy.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pt86xgm9ZCQ/U1SYhi5zYeI/AAAAAAAAMQk/dUatbaL1Dnw/h1600/1016869_635583649811974_1493164188_n.jpg

Even if Tri-racial, it is evident what the components that conform 90% of her appeareance are.

True haha.

I was thinking Tropico meets Pallantides.

[Kamal900]

Here is one. People posted Amelia Vega as a castiza, but she is clearly a quadroon who had a nose job. She looks like Jennifer Beals.

http://picture.fm/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/amelia-vega_d9mpUKPtIE-250x328.jpg
http://files.clubplanet.com/SiteFiles/ArticleImages/6519/Amelia_Vega_Agua_Dulce.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_SezQzXfLhw/TvrsGqGaCqI/AAAAAAAAAc0/vAOyYKQFxVs/s512/ameliagored1.jpg
http://cdn.enelbrasero.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Amelia-Vega-la-reina-de-Premio-Lo-Nuestro-2013.jpg

Hmm, she looks middle eastern with minor SSA admixture(say 15 percent?).

[Sikeliot]

Hmm, she looks middle eastern with minor SSA admixture(say 15 percent?).

IMO she passes quite well in Egypt.

[Han Cholo]

Hmm, she looks middle eastern with minor SSA admixture(say 15 percent?).

Doesn't look castiza at all to me. Looks like a far more diluted member of a Dominican member here. I'd say 10% black and maybe 4% Amerindian.

[Steve-O]

Says the mulatto who has a double chin. :naughty: "White" and Levantine looking mestizos are very common. People looking like that aren't a rarity like they would be in your islands. Remember it takes only 60% caucasian blood (barely over balanced) for mestizos to start looking very "caucasoidish", whereas it needs over 85% or 90% to make a mulatto start to look caucasoid.



You seem to have a special amount of scrutiny on SSA features to the point that when you see any shred of it, you convulse. Quadroons tend to look "off-white", specially when they have minimal Amerindian. Quads in the Hispanic Caribbean specially in Puerto Rico tend to have a whopping 15% Amerindian blood as well, which is why they don't look very Caucasoid.

There's a quadroon on ABF with likely little to no Amerindian who is commonly mistaken for an Albanian where he lives. And keep in mind that Dominican Republics SSA component is most heavily Congoloid, which is the hardest to SSA component dilute. Had the DR received Senegambians to that degree instead, they would be much more ambiguous looking.

[Kamal900]

IMO she passes quite well in Egypt.

Yes, and she can pass in the Hejaz region too.

[Kamal900]

Doesn't look castiza at all to me. Looks like a far more diluted member of a Dominican member here. I'd say 10% black and maybe 4% Amerindian.

Yeah, but she looks like a middle easterner to me.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Doesn't look castiza at all to me. Looks like a far more diluted member of a Dominican member here. I'd say 10% black and maybe 4% Amerindian.

Agreed. you can obvious see the niglet blood in her. Now image the real her, with out the surgery, nose job.

[Han Cholo]

That statement is oozing with OWD bias. You seem to have a special amount of scrutiny on SSA features to the point that when you see any shred of it, you convulse. Quadroons tend to look "off-white", specially when they have minimal Amerindian. Quads in the Hispanic Caribbean specially in Puerto Rico also tend to have a whopping 15% Amerindian blood, which is why they look very Caucasoid.

It's not OWD because I believe that Amerindians, in all cases of mixtures with Eurasians (which includes Caucasoids, East Asians, Mongolids, Australoids) the element which predominates, will show as dominant, even if it predominates only by a little. I believe if somene was for example, 65% East Asian and 35% Amerindian, would look almost completely east Asian. A melanesian with the same amounts would also look very dominantly melanesian.

Moreover, I also think that if someone is for example, 30% Caucasian and 70% Amerindian, he will look completely Amerindian with minor facial or coloration differences.

Genetics back me up on this. There is less distance between any Eurasian race than between them and Africans. It's not just an opinion of mine.



There's a quadroon on ABF who is commonly mistaken for an Albanian where he lives. And keep in mind that Dominican Republics SSA component is most heavily Congoloid, which is the hardest to SSA component dilute. Had the DR received Senegambians to that degree instead, they would be much more ambiguous looking.

:eek: :eek: :lmao I'm sure we all know it's impossible for any kind of mulatto to look like this:
http://www.albanur.eu/foto/list/UCK_KLA.jpg
http://kelmendi.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/jeton-kelmendi-uck.jpg

Seriously, what the hell are you smoking? We can ask any Albanians here, basically the whole Albanian population posts on this forum.

[LightHouse89]

You can obviously see the Native American side. Aboriginal Mexican mostly to me.

[Sikeliot]

And keep in mind that Dominican Republics SSA component is most heavily Congoloid, which is the hardest to SSA component dilute. Had the DR received Senegambians to that degree instead, they would be much more ambiguous looking.

This is untrue. According to AncestryDNA, Senegambian is the single largest component, then Ghanaian, then Congolese.

If Congolese was the main element, you guys would look like mixed Haitians.

[LightHouse89]

she looks mostly south american aboriginal to me.

[Steve-O]

Moreover, I also think that if someone is for example, 30% Caucasian and 70% Amerindian, he will look completely Amerindian with minor facial or coloration differences.

Of course, African Americans are that range on average and they can pass in mainland Africa.


:eek: :eek: :lmao

It's not bullshit! :lol:

My Portuguese friend gets Puerto Rican all the time, or at least whenever we leave the tri-sate area, like in Pennsylvania, Maryland ect, where Italians are less present.

[Sikeliot]

I promised Oditous on ABF I would not copy and paste his graphs here but this is the average African component for Dominicans:

Senegambian -- 21.3
Southeast Bantu (Angolan) -- 17.3
Cameroon/Congo -- 17.2
Ghana/Ivory Coast -- 16.8
Nigeria -- 15.9
Benin/Togo -- 7.9
Mali -- 4.9

And the rest are minor. Of this, Dominicans on the African side are approximately 34% Central African Bantu, and 60%+ West African. So no, you're not mostly Congoid.

[Han Cholo]

Of course, African Americans are that range on average and they can pass in mainland Africa.



It's not bullshit! :lol:

My Portuguese friend gets Puerto Rican all the time, or at least whenever we leave the tri-sate area, like in Pennsylvania, Maryland ect, where Italians are less present.

So Italians look Puerto Rican too?

[Steve-O]

I promised Oditous on ABF I would not copy and paste his graphs here but this is the average African component for Dominicans:

Senegambian -- 21.3
Southeast Bantu (Angolan) -- 17.3
Cameroon/Congo -- 17.2
Ghana/Ivory Coast -- 16.8
Nigeria -- 15.9
Benin/Togo -- 7.9
Mali -- 4.9

And the rest are minor. Of this, Dominicans on the African side are approximately 34% Central African Bantu, and 60%+ West African. So no, you're not mostly Congoid.


So then if you believe this is true then why do you keep lying and saying we are mostly Senegambian?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

This is untrue. According to AncestryDNA, Senegambian is the single largest component, then Ghanaian, then Congolese.

If Congolese was the main element, you guys would look like mixed Haitians.
"I am not black" :rotfl2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=1

[Steve-O]

So Italians look Puerto Rican too?

LOL, on many occasions the Italians look even woggier than the Puerto Ricans.
This guy from the show Jersey Shore who everyone thought to be fully Italian is actually half Puerto Rican

http://plasticsurgerystar.com/images/measurements3/ronnie-ortiz-magro-body-height/ronnie-ortiz-magro-weight.jpg

Thats his Puerto Rican dad next to him, note he probably got his shortness from his Italian/Sicilian side

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/744-jersey-shore-meet-the-parents/photos/1282585391_ronnie-lg.jpg

[Kamal900]

It's not OWD because I believe that Amerindians, in all cases of mixtures with Eurasians (which includes Caucasoids, East Asians, Mongolids, Australoids) the element which predominates, will show as dominant, even if it predominates only by a little. I believe if somene was for example, 65% East Asian and 35% Amerindian, would look almost completely east Asian. A melanesian with the same amounts would also look very dominantly melanesian.

Moreover, I also think that if someone is for example, 30% Caucasian and 70% Amerindian, he will look completely Amerindian with minor facial or coloration differences.

Genetics back me up on this. There is less distance between any Eurasian race than between them and Africans. It's not just an opinion of mine.



:eek: :eek: :lmao I'm sure we all know it's impossible for any kind of mulatto to look like this:
http://www.albanur.eu/foto/list/UCK_KLA.jpg
http://kelmendi.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/jeton-kelmendi-uck.jpg

Seriously, what the hell are you smoking? We can ask any Albanians here, basically the whole Albanian population posts on this forum.

This is true. All eurasian races, whether they're Caucasians, Mongoloids and Austroloids, are genetically much closer to each other than either of them to the Negroid race which they have originated in what is now Nigeria 10,000 BC only(the earliest PROTO negroid that is, not a fully developed one). Yeah, i mean i've seen a lot of Harinozs and Castizos pictures and they all look Levantine or pseudo-west Asian like these cute girls:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117212-Classify-Her
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?113975-Classify-this-hottie

Both of these girls look quite mesopotamian or Assyrian or Levantine so yeah.

[Han Cholo]

LOL, on many occasions the Italians look even woggier than the Puerto Ricans.
This guy from the show Jersey Shore who everyone thought to be fully Italian is actually half Puerto Rican

http://plasticsurgerystar.com/images/measurements3/ronnie-ortiz-magro-body-height/ronnie-ortiz-magro-weight.jpg

Thats his Puerto Rican dad next to him, note he probably got his shortness from his Italian/Sicilian side

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/744-jersey-shore-meet-the-parents/photos/1282585391_ronnie-lg.jpg

Man, you have weird perceptions. You actually believe Puerto Ricans are taller than Italians? :lmao

[Sikeliot]

So then if you believe this is true then why do you keep lying and saying we are mostly Senegambian?

It's your single largest component on average, and the most consistent one. The reason the average is highest is because it's the only African component that every Dominican has scored in significant amount across the board.

[Steve-O]

Man, you have weird perceptions. You actually believe Puerto Ricans are taller than Italians? :lmao

I didn't say such a thing.


Anyway Italians can very short in stature (look at Danny Devito) plus, Puerto Ricans have a lot of Amerindian blood, which adds to their shortness. But it's not hard to find a Puerto Rican in the northeast that is taller and more "Western" looking than an Italian

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Man, you have weird perceptions. You actually believe Puerto Ricans are taller than Italians? :lmao

Agreed. what's next? that they are and look "more" European than Italians? :D

[Han Cholo]

I didn't say such a thing.


Anyway Italians can very short in stature (look at Danny Devito) plus, Puerto Ricans have a lot of Amerindian blood, which adds to their shortness.

I'm sure Puerto Ricans are taller than Dominicans on average, which further again proves it's bullshit. Most Mestizo countries like Paraguay, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica are taller than Dominicans. Remember you are the third shortest country in America, only after Bolivia and Guatemala.

There is no reason to believe PR's are going to be shorter than that, considering they're more healthy and have had higher life standard for many years.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

"I'm not Black" says the DomiNegro... :rofl_002::rofl_002::rofl_002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=
:eusa_doh:

[Kamal900]

"I'm not Black" :rofl_002::rofl_002::rofl_002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=
:eusa_doh:

A new meme is born from that video.

[Sikeliot]

Agreed. what's next? that they are and look "more" European than Italians? :D

Also about Jersey Shore, Ronnie looks like a typical Gypsy from the Balkans.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Also about Jersey Shore, Ronnie looks like a typical Gypsy from the Balkans.

Yeah, But you know what I'm trying to say. It's funny, It's funny to me how delusional some people are. and I mean some people. Actually to me they are more like an Animal, their look...than human...like an Simio/Chango...like a Monkey. :D

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Also about Jersey Shore, Ronnie looks like a typical Gypsy from the Balkans.

By the way, see these here, "I'm not black", says the DomiNigga. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

By the way, see these here, "I'm not black", says the DomiNigga. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=
Yep that guy is super Black.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Yep that guy is super Black.

I think he needs a pair. a pair of glasses. Seriously

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I think he needs a pair. a pair of glasses. Seriously

He does, I'm dominican, but its bad that hes being self hating about it. Kind of sad to see that actually. I think though that guys like him give a over rated bias on most dominicans for self hating. But he does need glasses no doubt.

[Lemonhead]

@Sikeliot At what point do you think SSA admixture is visible in phenotype? 3% SSA and higher?

[Honorio]

There's a quadroon on ABF with likely little to no Amerindian who is commonly mistaken for an Albanian where he lives. And keep in mind that Dominican Republics SSA component is most heavily Congoloid, which is the hardest to SSA component dilute. Had the DR received Senegambians to that degree instead, they would be much more ambiguous looking.

It's not Congoid. I think you mean most of the SSA component came from Central Africa (Southern Angola) which is a different matter. And Senegambians vary a lot as well as Central Africans. They can overlap.

You are also forgetting that Senegambians had a founding effect in Dominicans. I disagree when you say the congoid is harder to dilute. Senegambians are darker than Central Africans. That's the reason why CVs tend to be darker than Dominicans. Dominicans usually look less SSA than they really are by genes. Stala from ABF has mentioned this before.

[Peyrol]

LOL, on many occasions the Italians look even woggier than the Puerto Ricans.
This guy from the show Jersey Shore who everyone thought to be fully Italian is actually half Puerto Rican
***

Quanto sei imbecille da 1 a 10? :picard1:

Nessuno del Jersey Shore tiene sangue italiano puro. Per favore, prima di scrivere cojonate collega bocca e cerebro. :picard1:

[alb0zfinest]

You seem to have a special amount of scrutiny on SSA features to the point that when you see any shred of it, you convulse. Quadroons tend to look "off-white", specially when they have minimal Amerindian. Quads in the Hispanic Caribbean specially in Puerto Rico tend to have a whopping 15% Amerindian blood as well, which is why they don't look very Caucasoid.

There's a quadroon on ABF with likely little to no Amerindian who is commonly mistaken for an Albanian where he lives. And keep in mind that Dominican Republics SSA component is most heavily Congoloid, which is the hardest to SSA component dilute. Had the DR received Senegambians to that degree instead, they would be much more ambiguous looking.

Lol a Quadroon mistaken for an Albanian? wtff?. He probably couldn't pass of as a Cypriot, which look closer to middle easterners let alone to an Albanian.

[Peyrol]

I didn't say such a thing.


Anyway Italians can very short in stature (look at Danny Devito) plus, Puerto Ricans have a lot of Amerindian blood, which adds to their shortness. But it's not hard to find a Puerto Rican in the northeast that is taller and more "Western" looking than an Italian


Danny De Vito isn't ''italian'', it's sicilian american.


Anyway, puertorican average heigh is 1,60 cm, Italian (real Italy, not ''Niu Iorque'' or ''Noo Joyzey'' ) one it's 1,77cm.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

[Sikeliot]

@Sikeliot At what point do you think SSA admixture is visible in phenotype? 3% SSA and higher?

5%.

[Sikeliot]

You are also forgetting that Senegambians had a founding effect in Dominicans. I disagree when you say the congoid is harder to dilute. Senegambians are darker than Central Africans. That's the reason why CVs tend to be darker than Dominicans. Dominicans usually look less SSA than they really are by genes. Stala from ABF has mentioned this before.

Cape Verdeans are almost solely Senegambian on their African side, and Dominicans have Senegambian as their single largest component (and their most consistent), but they are also part Ghanaian, Angolan, Nigerian, etc. too.

Senegambians are dark and gracile. Central Africans are lighter, but broad featured.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

5%.

I believe 5% ssa is not enough to be visible in someone pheno, I think from 8% up It starts to be visible.

either this or many times it's hidden.

[Han Cholo]

I believe 5% ssa is not enough to be visible in someone pheno, I think from 8% up It starts to be visible.

either this or many times it's hidden.

When it is direct, 5% is enough to be visible IMO. By proxy (North Africans, etc..) it needs to be over 15% or so.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

When it is direct, 5% is enough to be visible IMO. By proxy (North Africans, etc..) it needs to be over 15% or so.

According to 23andme I'm 6% But I don't really look ssa influence. So I think it's either not enough to make an impact/be visible or It's hidden.

[Han Cholo]

According to 23andme I'm 6% But I don't really look ssa influence. So I think it's either not enough to make an impact/be visible or It's hidden.

It's because it's by proxy. SSA admix in Mexico doesn't come directly from SSA's, but from North Africans and Canarians that were already a bit nig mixed from longer time.

[Peyrol]

And btw, for the God's sake, let us and our country out of your carribean islander racial complex, puttana eva...what the hell people have to talk about ''Italy'' in every discussion abdout everything?

We haven't nothing in common* and we don't want having nothing to do with you.


* except the man who started the taino genocide, who was a ligurian, lol.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

It's because it's by proxy. SSA admix in Mexico doesn't come directly from SSA's, but from North Africans and Canarians that were already a bit nig mixed from longer time.

Yeah, I actually have think of this also. I was talking with my bud, IslenoG about this before and he have told me something like this also. I think this is the case. and make scene. by the way, according to Dr. McDonald results I'm 28% North African. so it must have come from some Canarian ancestors. also from my mom's side they say "Chacho" which is a Canarian origin word. which is also used a lot by Cubans (Muchacho) just a shorter version of it.

[Honorio]

The SSA needs to be over 15% to be visible.

8% really? That's just laughable lol. Unless you're talking about a throwback phenol or something which is quite rare.

[Han Cholo]

The SSA needs to be over 15% to be visible.

8%? That's just laughable lol. Unless you're talking about a throwback phenol or something which is quite rare.

SSA admix contrasts more with Eurasians so even small quantities might be visible for a trained eye, as opposed to mixtures with East Asians, Amerindians or even Australoids.

8% might be invisible when it's gained by populations where black phenotypes already were bred out for many generations in a considerable extent, and not directly.

[Felix Volkbein]

The SSA needs to be over 15% to be visible.

8% really? That's just laughable lol. Unless you're talking about a throwback phenol or something which is quite rare.

Yes, I agree. Europeans have the most diverse phenotypes of any group, and lots of the subtle features some people insist are SSA-influenced can be found among a good number of unmixed Euros.

[Han Cholo]

Yes, I agree. Europeans have the most diverse phenotypes of any group, and lots of the subtle features some people insist are SSA-influenced can be found among a good number of unmixed Euros.

But what about the mental, intellectual, behavioral and metaphysical traits?

[Felix Volkbein]

But what about the mental, intellectual, behavioral and metaphysical traits?

Those are entirely different story. But still, a group of people who are only 5% SSA on average is going to be more intelligent, less violent, less criminal, and less ugly than a group of people who are 30% SSA or more.

[chestbrah]

LOL, on many occasions the Italians look even woggier than the Puerto Ricans.
This guy from the show Jersey Shore who everyone thought to be fully Italian is actually half Puerto Rican

http://plasticsurgerystar.com/images/measurements3/ronnie-ortiz-magro-body-height/ronnie-ortiz-magro-weight.jpg


Thats his Puerto Rican dad next to him, note he probably got his shortness from his Italian/Sicilian side

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/744-jersey-shore-meet-the-parents/photos/1282585391_ronnie-lg.jpg

I actually think he can be both. He looks Puerto Rican but I have also seen Italians that look like him as well.

[Sikeliot]

I actually think he can be both. He looks Puerto Rican but I have also seen Italians that look like him as well.

I think he looks Gypsy. Like the ones found in Bulgaria who are mixed with Bulgarian and thus don't look totally non-Euro.

[chestbrah]

I think he looks Gypsy. Like the ones found in Bulgaria who are mixed with Bulgarian and thus don't look totally non-Euro.

I don't know how gypsies look but he reminds me Bostin Loyd and Marc Lobliner( they are bodybuilders but they look quite similar). I think he has a Berid look that is not common but can be found in Europe

[Sikeliot]

I don't know how gypsies look but he reminds me Bostin Loyd and Marc Lobliner( they are bodybuilders but they look quite similar). I think he has a Berid look that is not common but can be found in Europe

His build and face structure come off a bit Bulgarian to me, he isn't built like a southern Italian. His dad looks mixed.

[chestbrah]

His build and face structure come off a bit Bulgarian to me, he isn't built like a southern Italian. His dad looks mixed.

I think his dad looks stereotypical southern Italian. I think his mom is the Puerto Rican

[Sikeliot]

I think his dad looks stereotypical southern Italian. I think his mom is the Puerto Rican

His dad doesn't look white. He is the Puerto Rican one, his mom Italian.

[chestbrah]

His dad doesn't look white. He is the Puerto Rican one, his mom Italian.

On Wikipedia it says that his dad is Italian. I know it's not a reliable source but I also think in another source that his dad is Italian. I have to say this is a double standard that if his dad is actually Italian lol

[Iroczor]

On Wikipedia it says that his dad is Italian. I know it's not a reliable source but I also think in another source that his dad is Italian. I have to say this is a double standard that if his dad is actually Italian lol

:lol: his puerto rican mom must look more whiter than his sicilian husband

[Sikeliot]

On Wikipedia it says that his dad is Italian. I know it's not a reliable source but I also think in another source that his dad is Italian. I have to say this is a double standard that if his dad is actually Italian lol

Well he's not built like his dad, and doesn't resemble him, so I don't know.

[chestbrah]

:lol: his puerto rican mom must look more whiter than his sicilian husband

Lol I think people just dont understand the full spectrum of Mediterranean phrnotypes. Nick Turturro and that Jewish guy from Balls of Fury can easily pass as Latin Americans

[Sikeliot]

Lol I think people just dont understand the full spectrum of Mediterranean phrnotypes. Nick Turturro and that Jewish guy from Balls of Fury can easily pass as Latin Americans

Yes but it is by coincidence since they don't pass in Spain.

[chestbrah]

Well he's not built like his dad, and doesn't resemble him, so I don't know.

I actually don't think the dad looks mixed. This happens all the time when people think that someone is mixed but when they find out that they aren't then they will just say "it's the sun" or then they think that he doesn't look so mixed after all

[Iroczor]

Lol I think people just dont understand the full spectrum of Mediterranean phrnotypes. Nick Turturro and that Jewish guy from Balls of Fury can easily pass as Latin Americans

haha that actor u mentioned played a puerto rican cop on NYPD blue.

[Sikeliot]

I actually don't think the dad looks mixed. This happens all the time when people think that someone is mixed but when they find out that they aren't then they will just say "it's the sun" or then they think that he doesn't look so mixed after all

I'd have to see his face. Either way neither he nor the son are at all typical for Italy.

[chestbrah]

Yes but it is by coincidence since they don't pass in Spain.

They can pass as analucians or canarians( I have actually been to Andalusia) and they can pass pretty well.

[heyaitsme]

Mexican tri-racial, like Spanish, native, and probably black too.

[Sikeliot]

They can pass as analucians or canarians( I have actually been to Andalusia) and they can pass pretty well.

Maybe due to North African influence in all these places.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

They can pass as analucians or canarians( I have actually been to Andalusia) and they can pass pretty well.

Nah. not really. his face is to off for Iberian.

[Han Cholo]

Mexican tri-racial, like Spanish, native, and probably black too.

:lol00002::lol00002::lol00002::speechless-smiley-0:speechless-smiley-0:speechless-smiley-0

[Han Cholo]

Danny De Vito isn't ''italian'', it's sicilian american.


Anyway, puertorican average heigh is 1,60 cm, Italian (real Italy, not ''Niu Iorque'' or ''Noo Joyzey'' ) one it's 1,77cm.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

He's allergic to stats like this. I proved him Dominican males were 1.65 short and officially third shorters out of 21 Latin American nations, while he was attempting to call Mexicans as midgets, despite we look like giants in comparison to them (1.72 average, third tallest in Latin America). The pygmy got so offended he triggered 30 pages of replicas of butthurt messages with his friends.

[heyaitsme]

:lol00002::lol00002::lol00002::speechless-smiley-0:speechless-smiley-0:speechless-smiley-0

What's so funny? Tri-racial meaning 3 different races.

[Anatolian Eagle]

By the way, see these here, "I'm not black", says the DomiNigga. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO5DXOhX9pI&hd=

LOL.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2rwmby8.jpg

There's no difference between this guy and this lemon.