Classify these very exotic Italian MPs and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

When I first joined this forum, I controversially opened a thread suggesting that the MPs below could pass as South Asians. Now, whether you agree with that proposition or not, these MPs are undeniably exotic/peripheral European in appearance.

Maria Amato, Abruzzo
http://www.vasto24.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Maria-Amato.jpg

Cosimo Latronico, Basilicata
http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/fotoAlbum/Foto/a_12760.jpg

Rosanna Scopelliti, Calabria
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I6DiObRhXXQ/UsmORkbvmuI/AAAAAAABH44/wfx0AvEYmNo/s1600/TT.jpg

Luigi di Maio, Campania
http://2.citynews-napolitoday.stgy.it/~media/originale/67927225049156/429367_3472141763897_1420566192_n-2-2.jpg

Umberto Marroni, Lazio
http://www.romacapitalenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/umberto-marroni.jpg

Giuseppe Brescia, Puglia
http://1.citynews-baritoday.stgy.it/~media/originale/28515088080793/giuseppe-brescia-2.jpg

Francesco Cariello, Puglia
http://cdn.livenetwork.it/news/216239/gallery/523059_634976349800418226_fc_638x410.jpg

Giuseppe L'Abbate, Puglia
http://www.iltaccoditalia.info/public/labbate-giuseppe_0.jpg

Nicola Bianchi, Sardinia
http://www.nicolabianchi.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nik.jpg

Angelo Capodicasa, Sicily
http://www.yesnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/capodicasa.jpg

Mara Mucci, Emilia-Romagna
http://www.romagnanoi.it/resizer.jsp?img=upload/cut1354546258663.png&w=650&h=330&maximize=true

Sergio Battelli, Liguria
http://telenord.it/files/2013/05/battelli-5-stelle.jpg

Luigi Lacquaniti, Lombardy
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8c/4b/4ad0941ef0350ad8956e8e.L._V401421751_SX200_.jpg

Stefano Allasia, Piedmont
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51686000/jpg/_51686298_150anniversarypix005.jpg

[Kale]

Your pics don't appear to be working.

[Sakis]

Facially most of them are not exotic they are just swarthy imo.

[Tooting Carmen]

Your pics don't appear to be working.

Try again.

[Tooting Carmen]

Facially most of them are not exotic they are just swarthy imo.

Either way, how'd you classify and place them?

[Sikeliot]

Amato: Alpine-Med and Semitic
Latronico: Alpine-East Med
Scopelliti: AtlantoMed-Pontid
di Maio: East Med
Marroni: Dinaro-Med
Brescia: Berid
Cariello: Dinarid
L'Abbate: Dinaro-Med
Bianchi: AtlantoMed-CM
Capodicasa: East Med-Iranid
Mucci: Dinarid
Battelli: Alpine-Dinarid
Lacquaniti: Alpine-Dinarid-Med
Allasia: Dinaro-Med

[Hadouken]

none of them look south asian

maybe 1-2 would pass as atypical south asians if you use some fantasy but thats it

the furthest east some could pass is Iran

[Tooting Carmen]

none of them look south asian

maybe 1-2 would pass as atypical south asians if you use some fantasy but thats it

the furthest east some could pass is Iran

Like I said in the OP, you don't have to agree with my original claim in order to classify and place the MPs.

[Sikeliot]

I don't find most of them exotic either. At least not strikingly so.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't find most of them exotic either. At least not strikingly so.

Perhaps you and I have different ideas of 'exotic' then. Besides, you yourself once said to Joseph Capelli that your definition of an exotic European was "someone who passes better in Cyprus than in France", which is undeniably the case with pretty much all of these.

[Sikeliot]

Perhaps you and I have different ideas of 'exotic' then. Besides, you yourself once said to Joseph Capelli that your definition of an exotic European was "someone who passes better in Cyprus than in France", which is undeniably the case with pretty much all of these.

Exotic for European standards, but for southern Italy these people aren't "very exotic", they're more tanned. The only ones that I would call "exotic" are the first woman (the only one of the women who looks non-European) and Angelo Capodicasa (who looks Mesopotamian).

[Tooting Carmen]

Exotic for European standards, but for southern Italy these people aren't "very exotic", they're more tanned. The only ones that I would call "exotic" are the first woman (the only one of the women who looks non-European) and Angelo Capodicasa (who looks Mesopotamian).

A lot of these are from Northern Italy though. Anyway, where would you place them (outside Italy itself, of course)?

[Sikeliot]

A lot of these are from Northern Italy though. Anyway, where would you place them (outside Italy itself, of course)?

The southerners look like Cypriots, while the northerners look more like very tanned versions of a pan-Italian look.

[Hadouken]

Like I said in the OP, you don't have to agree with my original claim in order to classify and place the MPs.

ok I will tell you where in west asia they can pass then :) (they cant pass anywhere more "exotic" than these)

nr.1 can fit as jew

nr.2 and 3 can fit as turkish , kurdish , and levantine

nr.4 ...not sure on him yet

nr.5 I dont think he can fit outside europe

nr.6 can pass as jew maybe but thats it

nr.7 can pass as turk (atypical)

nr.8 can fit as Levantine and pass as turkish - kurdish - persian too

nr.9 can fit as Armenian , Georgian and pass as Anatolian too

nr.10 Syria , Iraq , Southeastern Turkey (kurds included)

nr.11 good fit in Anatolia ...can also pass in Iran

nr.12 Iran

nr.13 fits perfectly in western turkey

nr.14 would be atypical in near east so not sure where to place him

[Andrei the 2nd]

Some of them are Litorids.

[Tooting Carmen]

Some of them are Litorids.

Which ones? And where'd you place them?

[Andrei the 2nd]

Which ones? And where'd you place them?

2,8,9

They're common in South Italy, and they might give me Caucasus vibe. European looking turks would fit them

[Ulla]

When I first joined this forum, I controversially opened a thread suggesting that the MPs below could pass as South Asians. Now, whether you agree with that proposition or not, these MPs are undeniably exotic/peripheral European in appearance.

Mara Mucci, Emilia-Romagna
http://www.romagnanoi.it/resizer.jsp?img=upload/cut1354546258663.png&w=650&h=330&maximize=true

Sergio Battelli, Liguria
http://telenord.it/files/2013/05/battelli-5-stelle.jpg

Luigi Lacquaniti, Lombardy
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8c/4b/4ad0941ef0350ad8956e8e.L._V401421751_SX200_.jpg

Stefano Allasia, Piedmont
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51686000/jpg/_51686298_150anniversarypix005.jpg

Most of them aren't exotic at all. BTW Lacquaniti is a typical surname from Calabria.

Allasia is exotic?

http://www.consiglioregionale.piemonte.it/img/8/allasias.jpg

Marroni is exotic?

http://www.agoraregionelazio.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Umberto-Marroni.jpg

Mara Mucci in another pic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Mara_Mucci_daticamera.jpg


Your concept of exotic looks pretty questionable and forced.



A lot of these are from Northern Italy though. Anyway, where would you place them (outside Italy itself, of course)?

A paternal surname from North Italy doesn't mean that you are a full Northern Italian, BTW.

[Tooting Carmen]

Allasia maybe isn't so much. Marroni isn't very dark, but his features look odd. Mucci looks pretty exotic even in the new photo of her. Anyway, how should the MPs in the OP be classified and placed?

[Ulla]

Allasia maybe isn't so much.

If Allasia is exotic, Northen African migrants in Italy are all blacks from Ghana.

The only one that is really exotic is Capodicasa from Sicily, but it's not an average face even in Sicily.

[Gallery]

Anyone who isn't blonde in Italy is exotic so whats the point?

[Hadouken]

Rosanna Scopelliti is cute (googled her for more pics) :o

[alfieb]

Rosanna Scopelliti is cute (googled her for more pics) :o

Good idea.

[Tooting Carmen]

Any more suggestions as to how the MPs should be classified and placed?

[Volscian]

1 or 2 are atypical, the others are common tanned South Europeans.

[Tooting Carmen]

1 or 2 are atypical, the others are common tanned South Europeans.

Which ones look atypical to you?

[Sikeliot]

I'd be interested in seeing Angelo Capodicasa's DNA results if he ever tested by some odd chance. Hard to believe he has any North European in his genome or anything distinctly European.

http://www.siciliamoderna.it/wp-content/uploads/imgbloggers/capodicasa_angelo04.jpg

[Volscian]

Which ones look atypical to you?

Latronico and Capodicasa. But we are judging people in poor quality photos with a bad light.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here is Sergio Battelli again:
http://www.lastampa.it/rf/image_lowres/Pub/p3/2013/04/30/Savona/Foto/RitagliWeb/805119_1367336494--330x185.jpg

[Smeagol]

None of these people look Indian at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

None of these people look Indian at all.

I did say you don't have to agree with that proposition I once held in order to classify and place them.

[Smeagol]

I did say you don't have to agree with that proposition I once held in order to classify and place them.

Too many to classify all at once. Some don't look exotic (By Italian, especially South Italian standards.). The ones that do have Semitic, and Levantine influences.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here is Sergio Battelli again
http://www.sergiobattelli.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/20130309-212821.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Umberto Marroni and Giuseppe L'Abbate again:
http://www.nextquotidiano.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/umberto-marroni-pd-roma-mafia.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000244249203/5a85e31e448ce42dbfeb5d13ea5337d7.jpeg

[Jana]

They don't look exotic to me at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

They don't look exotic to me at all.

Really?

[Jana]

Really?

Yes. Mediterraneans of various types mostly, what is weird about that ?

[Alan Weiss]

When I first joined this forum, I controversially opened a thread suggesting that the MPs below could pass as South Asians. Now, whether you agree with that proposition or not, these MPs are undeniably exotic/peripheral European in appearance.

Maria Amato, Abruzzo
http://www.vasto24.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Maria-Amato.jpg

Cosimo Latronico, Basilicata
http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/fotoAlbum/Foto/a_12760.jpg

Rosanna Scopelliti, Calabria
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I6DiObRhXXQ/UsmORkbvmuI/AAAAAAABH44/wfx0AvEYmNo/s1600/TT.jpg

Luigi di Maio, Campania
http://2.citynews-napolitoday.stgy.it/~media/originale/67927225049156/429367_3472141763897_1420566192_n-2-2.jpg

Umberto Marroni, Lazio
http://www.romacapitalenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/umberto-marroni.jpg

Giuseppe Brescia, Puglia
http://1.citynews-baritoday.stgy.it/~media/originale/28515088080793/giuseppe-brescia-2.jpg

Francesco Cariello, Puglia
http://cdn.livenetwork.it/news/216239/gallery/523059_634976349800418226_fc_638x410.jpg

Giuseppe L'Abbate, Puglia
http://www.iltaccoditalia.info/public/labbate-giuseppe_0.jpg

Nicola Bianchi, Sardinia
http://www.nicolabianchi.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nik.jpg

Angelo Capodicasa, Sicily
http://www.yesnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/capodicasa.jpg

Mara Mucci, Emilia-Romagna
http://www.romagnanoi.it/resizer.jsp?img=upload/cut1354546258663.png&w=650&h=330&maximize=true

Sergio Battelli, Liguria
http://telenord.it/files/2013/05/battelli-5-stelle.jpg

Luigi Lacquaniti, Lombardy
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8c/4b/4ad0941ef0350ad8956e8e.L._V401421751_SX200_.jpg

Stefano Allasia, Piedmont
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51686000/jpg/_51686298_150anniversarypix005.jpg
All of them would very nicely fit in north Africa or Arabia.
But of course even though they aren't white as long as they have an Italian name "white supremacists" consider them "whites".

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. Mediterraneans of various types mostly, what is weird about that ?

How'd you say they compare to these Portuguese? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?140014-Classify-these-exotic-Portuguese-MPs-and-where-can-they-pass

[Alan Weiss]

Well even though they look identical to Arabs from Arabia and north Africa they have an Italian name and are christian.
So of course they don't look exotic...
Of course the most Nordic blonde blue eyed Jew always looks "exotic"...
It's all about brainwashing.
These "Italians" are really majority Arab not European.

[Bagot]

All of them would very nicely fit in north Africa or Arabia.
But of course even though the aren't white as long as they have an Italian name "white supremacists" consider them "whites".

You surely have never been in North Africa or Arabia. White supremacists are generally Americans or Non Europeans with a self-identity problem.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Lol at 'exotic' Italians. They look like the average Italian guy who arrives when you order a pizza takeaway in Italian restaurants.

[Dean Winchester]

They belong to the minority of Italians who overlap with Ashkenazi Jews.

[Alan Weiss]

Actually ashknazi Jews overlap with northern italians not southern/Sicilians...
But I get it Jews aren't Christians so you have to pretend that they aren't white...
Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree ...
www.nytimes.com/.../ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-european-women-study -finds.html
‎ 8 Oct 2013 ... The finding establishes that the women who founded the Ashkenazi ... with Northern Italians showing the greatest proximity to Jews of any ...

[Alan Weiss]

You surely have never been in North Africa or Arabia. White supremacists are generally Americans or Non Europeans with a self-identity problem.

I have visited Morocco, Egypt, Yemen and Lebanon...
And I stand by my classification.

[Dean Winchester]

No Ashkenazis are between Sicilians and Sephardi Jews. There is almost no difference between Ashkenazis, Sephardis and Syrian Jews.

[Alan Weiss]

No Ashkenazis are between Sicilians and Sephardi Jews. There is almost no difference between Ashkenazis, Sephardis and Syrian Jews.

Weill if you say so it must be true.
BTW ignore my link...
Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree ...
www.nytimes.com/.../ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-european-women-study -finds.html
‎
8 Oct 2013 ... The finding establishes that the women who founded the Ashkenazi ... with Northern Italians showing the greatest proximity to Jews of any ...

[Bagot]

Actually ashknazi Jews overlap with northern italians not southern/Sicilians......

Not true.


I have visited Morocco, Egypt, Yemen and Lebanon...
And I stand by my classification.

Sure, as I'm Prince William, Duke of Cambridge.

[Jana]

Well even though they look identical to Arabs from Arabia and north Africa they have an Italian name and are christian.
So of course they don't look exotic...
Of course the most Nordic blonde blue eyed Jew always looks "exotic"...
It's all about brainwashing.
These "Italians" are really majority Arab not European.

They don't look identical to Arabs, have different culture and genetics. Of course all mediteranids have some overlap, what's the problem with that? But the ones some southern Europeans show overlap with are Arabized Levantines, not Gulf Arabs. No offence but nordicist agenda Americans who do not undestand European identity are annoying. Are you Jewish? I ask because of your nickname. Yes, nordic Jews would be more ''Aryan'' than some swarthy Italian, but nobody cares about that. Europeaness is firstly a cultural, and than genetic identity.

[Dean Winchester]

That's nonsense.

Real Nordics were gassing Jews untill 60 years ago.

Aryans and Semites are like Oil and water. You can't mix them...

[Bagot]

Yes, nordic Jews would be more ''Aryan'' than some swarthy Italian, but nobody cares about that. Europeaness is firstly a cultural, and than genetic identity.

Those you call "nordic Jews" have very little Jewish ancestry and many of them don't identify themselves with Jews anymore.

[Jana]

That's nonsense.

Real Nordics were gassing Jews untill 60 years ago.

Aryans and Semites are like Oil and water. You can't mix them...

You mean nordics like Himmler? Please, this isn't nazi forum.

[lyllo]

Punjab

[Jana]

Those you call "nordic Jews" have very little Jewish ancestry and many of them don't identify themselves with Jews anymore.

Askhenazis are mixed European/Levantine population as already explained. Many do identify with Jewish culture/ethnicity though, depends how they were raised.

[Alan Weiss]

Well I understand that nobody travels, so it's impossible that I visited the MENA...
Ashknazi and sephardi Jews both overlap with NORTHERN ITALIANS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
"Another recent study, also based on whole genomes, found that a mixture of European ancestries ranged from 30 percent to 60 percent among Ashkenazi and Sephardi populations, with Northern Italians showing the greatest proximity to Jews of any Europeans."
Nice chatting with you Prince William, Duke of Cambridge.:picard1:

[Alan Weiss]

That's nonsense.

Real Nordics were gassing Jews untill 60 years ago.

Aryans and Semites are like Oil and water. You can't mix them...

By "aryan" do you mean indo-aryan speakers(IRANIANS amongst others)?
And by "Semites" do you mean people that speak Semitic languages?
Trying to use language groupings to determine race is quite 1933.

[Damião de Góis]

How'd you say they compare to these Portuguese? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?140014-Classify-these-exotic-Portuguese-MPs-and-where-can-they-pass

When will you start comparing people to colombian mongrels?

[Alan Weiss]

Askhenazis are mixed European/Levantine population as already explained. Many do identify with Jewish culture/ethnicity though, depends how they were raised.

How is Jewish culture/ethnicity separate from "European culture"?
Most Europeans are Christians, that are following a MIDDLE EASTERN RELIGION and a BIBLE written by MIDDLE EASTERN JEWS...
What exactly is "European" about Christianity?
And how is being Jewish "non European" if Jews have lived in Europe BEFORE CHRISTIANITY was even invented...

[Alan Weiss]

"Europeaness is firstly a cultural, and than genetic identity."
I'm assuming you're talking about CHRISTIANITY when you refer to "European culture"?
Well Christianity is a MIDDLE EASTERN religion and it's bible was written by MIDDLE EASTERN JEWS.
So your "European culture" was founded on a middle eastern religion that your ancestors CONVERTED to.:picard2:

[Bagot]

Well I understand that nobody travels, so it's impossible that I visited the MENA...
Ashknazi and sephardi Jews both overlap with NORTHERN ITALIANS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
"Another recent study, also based on whole genomes, found that a mixture of European ancestries ranged from 30 percent to 60 percent among Ashkenazi and Sephardi populations, with Northern Italians showing the greatest proximity to Jews of any Europeans."
Nice chatting with you Prince William, Duke of Cambridge.:picard1:

That's a Nicholas Wade's quote. Thank you to let me know what is the source of this bullshit.

[Jana]

How is Jewish culture/ethnicity separate from "European culture"?
Most Europeans are Christians, that are following a MIDDLE EASTERN RELIGION and a BIBLE written by MIDDLE EASTERN JEWS...
What exactly is "European" about Christianity?
And how is being Jewish "non European" if Jews have lived in Europe BEFORE CHRISTIANITY was even invented...

I'll take it that you're Jewish. I consider Askhenazis and Sephardics European in cultural sense, since they lived there, contributed to European culture, Science and invention and mixed to a great deal with non-Jews. It purely depends on idividual though. We have Longbowman here (mostly Jewish), I consider him British/European as he was born and raised there. Thing is you are not European (it's obvious), because you don't undestand our culture.

Christianity origin does not matter, it is religion of majority of Europeans, and Christian church shaped our history, culture, architecture and morality, and influenced reformation/liberalist and anti-churchist ideas later. Chrisitanity is one of keys to European culture and cannot be separated from it. And you come here with obvious nordicist agenda (which is common in new world, terms whiter, and other crap), trying to separate Italians and Southern Europeans from other Europeans, and put them with Arabs. In Europe nobody cares for blonde hair and ''aryan features'', we are not that primitive. Blonde Kavkazian or North African or Heredi Jew is not European because his culture isn't European. Secular European Jew is European to me though, even though his phenotype is armenoid or whatever. American ideas of racial ladder should stay where they belong, in America.

[Alan Weiss]

Prof Martin Richards is the source for this study.
I'm sure that's "bullshit" also...
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html
"The origins of Ashkenazi Jews remain highly controversial. Like Judaism, mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in the Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history."
:bored:

[Dean Winchester]

Ashkenazis are a mix of Italians, Arabs, Caucasians with very little French and Russian.


A 2013 study by Banda et al. developed a simple but robust method for ancestry estimation using a linear model to estimate allele frequencies in the admixed individual or sample as a function of ancestral allele frequencies. They present results involving 3,366 Ashkenazi Jews (AJ) who are part of the Kaiser Permanente Genetic Epidemiology Research on Adult Health and Aging (GERA) cohort and genotyped at 674,000 SNPs. For the analysis of the AJ, they included surrogate Middle Eastern, Italian, French, Russian, and Caucasus subgroups to represent the ancestral populations. For the AJ, they estimated mean ancestral proportions of 0.380, 0.305, 0.113, 0.041 and 0.148 for Middle Eastern, Italian, French, Russian and Caucasus ancestry, respectively.

http://www.ashg.org/2013meeting/abstracts/fulltext/f130123362.htm

[Alan Weiss]

I'm not Jewish.
I was born to a northern Anglo-Irish/protestant family...
And yes it does matter where Christianity comes from.
It is sad that so many "Christians" are completely clueless to the middle eastern origins of their culture/religion.
As far as a religious Jew not being European well that's ignorant and antisemitic.
Clearly YOU care about the origin of Judaism but you ask us to ignore the MIDDLE EASTERN JEWISH origins of Christianity.
Pretty skewed "logic"...:picard2:

[Alan Weiss]

"Secular European Jew is European to me though, even though his phenotype is armenoid or whatever."
FYI Armenians are indo-europians and Christians, even the Nazi's accepted them as Europeans...
The term "armenoid" is a pseudoscience racial classification from the 19th century...

[Jana]

I'm not Jewish.
I was born to a northern Anglo-Irish/protestant family...
And yes it does matter where Christianity comes from.
It is sad that so many "Christians" are completely clueless to the middle eastern origins of their culture/religion.
As far as a religious Jew not being European well that's ignorant and antisemitic.
Clearly YOU care about the origin of Judaism but you ask us to ignore the MIDDLE EASTERN JEWISH origins of Christianity.
Pretty skewed "logic"...:picard2:

Do you know what secular means? Separation of church and state, modern Europe wouldn't exist without it. It means that person is loyal to his home country in ''public life'', and do whatever he wants at home. Nobody cares which God you pray to at home as long as that stays private matter. Secular Jew would be one that doesn't support Zionism and orthodox/radical Jewishness, and works for Israel intersts over his home country. Secularism=religion is a private matter, and unrelated with political ideology.

I am not anti-semite, and maybe even have Jewish origins far back (tought I did, but found out probably not, will never be sure). I am anti-Zionist.

[Alan Weiss]

"Ashkenazis are a mix of Italians, Arabs, Caucasians with very little French and Russian."
Ashkenazi Jews aren't mixed with Arabs.
They left the Levant 2000 years ago before the invasions from Arabia.
French Jews have significant french gentile admixture and so do Russian Jews.

[Jana]

"Secular European Jew is European to me though, even though his phenotype is armenoid or whatever."
FYI Armenians are indo-europians and Christians, even the Nazi's accepted them as Europeans...
The term "armenoid" is a pseudoscience racial classification from the 19th century...

Agree with this. Taxotomy is nothing more than fun in here ;)

[Alan Weiss]

Anti Zionism is a cowardly codeword for antisemitism.
Anti Zionism is a very hateful movement filled unfortunately with many self loathing Jews.
At the root of Zionism was the hope to create a Jewish state to escape hate such as you parroted about religious Jews not being European...
Without antisemites like you, Jews wouldn't of needed Israel in the first place.

[Alan Weiss]

" Secular Jew would be one that doesn't support Zionism and orthodox/radical Jewishness, and works for Israel intersts over his home country. "
Pure hateful antisemitic canards!:mad:

[Jana]

Anti Zionism is a cowardly codeword for antisemitism.
Anti Zionism is a very hateful movement filled unfortunately with many self loathing Jews.
At the root of Zionism was the hope to create a Jewish state to escape hate such as you parroted about religious Jews not being European...
Without antisemites like you, Jews wouldn't of needed Israel in the first place.

Ok, Mr. Jewish advocate Alan WEISS :D Belive what you want to belive, I won't force my views on you. Peace.

[Alan Weiss]

"Agree with this. Taxotomy is nothing more than fun in here"
Racism isn't really a "fun" or healthy hobby.
This site is a neo nazi site cloaked in 19th century pseudoscience terminology.

[Jana]

"Agree with this. Taxotomy is nothing more than fun in here"
Racism isn't really a "fun" or healthy hobby.
This site is a neo nazi site cloaked in 19th century pseudoscience terminology.

Americans can be very dogmatic.

[Alan Weiss]

BTW ignorant antisemite WEISS is the GERMAN word for white and is one of the most common names in Germany.
Oh I get it you think Weiss is a "Jewish name".
Sure it is...Peace:thumb001:
Get educated and medicated.
Martin Weiss (Nazi official) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Weiss_(Nazi_official)
‎
Martin Weiss (born 21 February 1903, date of death unknown) was a Nazi official and de facto commander of the Vilna Ghetto. He was also the commander of ...

[Jana]

BTW ignorant antisemite WEISS is the GERMAN word for white and is one of the most common names in Germany.
Oh I get it you think Weiss is a "Jewish name".
Sure it is...Peace:thumb001:
Get educated and medicated.
Martin Weiss (Nazi official) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Martin Weiss (born 21 February 1903, date of death unknown) was a Nazi official and de facto commander of the Vilna Ghetto. He was also the commander of ...

It's common Askhenazi name as well. Won't discuss further, since you started the insults. And spend some more time here before making accusations. Have a nice day.

[Alan Weiss]

"It's common Askhenazi name as well. Won't discuss further, since you started the insults. And spand some more time here before making accusations. Have a nice day. "

And it is a far more common NON Ashkenazi name, in fact it is one of the most common German names in Germany and the USA.
And I already told you before that I'm not of Jewish ancestry.
But a Jew hater like you sees Jews everywhere.
I'm not accusing you of antisemitism you have spewed tons of it in the past ten minutes.
Now I will repay your kindness by giving you a thumbs down too...
Learn to use the spell check tool... "spand"

[Tooting Carmen]

Could we stick to topic please?

[Longbowman]

"Agree with this. Taxotomy is nothing more than fun in here"
Racism isn't really a "fun" or healthy hobby.
This site is a neo nazi site cloaked in 19th century pseudoscience terminology.

2 of 5 admins are Jews though.

As for Feodora - whom you don't know - being a 'Jew hater who sees Jews everywhere' - I'm a Jew, and I think you're a Jew, too, and even though you've said you aren't, I suspect, due to the subjects that interest you, you are. It is also not unreasonable to think the name 'Weiss' signifies a Jew - anecdotally, my best friend in secondary school was an Ashkenazi surnamed Weiss - and if you claim you don't understand that, I must question your intent here.

You claim population genetics is 'hokum.' You say taxonomy is 'pseudo-science from the 19th century' (I agree, to an extent). So why are you here? One must conclude you're here to attack people you can allow yourself to view as 'the enemy.' Racialists, racist, the scum of the Internet.

I think you're here to flame. You want people to make comments you can attack as vaguely anti-Semitic in nature. And instead of being reasonable with Feodora, you just e-rage at her instead of calmly - as she did - explaining our viewpoint. I hope you're not a Jew because if you are you're casting a bad light on Am Yisrael; please find another topic to go red in the face over. You seem to have come here just to provoke. Feodora is entitled to her opinions.

This forum is capably administrated by a significantly Jewish moderation team. Please leave us alone.

[Peter Nirsch]

Most of them look Italian, someone levantine.

[Tooting Carmen]

Most of them look Italian, someone levantine.

Which ones look Levantine?

[Peter Nirsch]

Which ones look Levantine?

this one from Campania and other ones, but this one has even SSA IMHO, though not an uncommon type among Campanians.

http://www.giornalettismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/riforme-costituzionali-percorso-4-770x528.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1899603/images/o-LUIGI-DI-MAIO-facebook.jpg

https://triskel182.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/di-maio.jpg

[Smeagol]

There is no ssa in Italians.

[Longbowman]

There is no ssa in Italians.

There is in Sicilians.

[Era]

There is in Sicilians.

How much?

[Longbowman]

How much?

Depends on the region but 1.4-2.1%.

Here, see for yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

[Tooting Carmen]

How much?

Circa 2% (as with Iberians).

[Longbowman]

Circa 2% (as with Iberians).

Depends on the Iberian, over 2% in the West and South, less than 1% in the North and East.

[Era]

Depends on the region but 1.4-2.1%.

Here, see for yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

The sample size was too small. Only 2 with the 2%. Where were these taken? 23andme on speculative?

[Longbowman]

The sample size was too small. Only 2 with the 2%. Where were these taken? 23andme on speculative?

No, this is the Eurogenes K8 population averages sheet. It's not 'speculative.' It's based on Reich et al.

2 is too small, I agree. That's why I said 1.4-2.1%. The other samples are larger.

[Tooting Carmen]

No, this is the Eurogenes K8 population averages sheet. It's not 'speculative.' It's based on Reich et al.

2 is too small, I agree. That's why I said 1.4-2.1%. The other samples are larger.

True. Anyway, how'd you classify the MPs then?

[Longbowman]

True. Anyway, how'd you classify the MPs then?

I don't like classifying groups, they look a mix of Armenoid, Alpinoid, Mediterranoid and Atlanto-Mediterranoid.

[Smeagol]

There is in Sicilians.

Not enough to make a difference and it comes from North Africans not directly from blacks.

[Longbowman]

Not enough to make a difference and it comes from North Africans not directly from blacks.

Who cares? It's still there. It doesn't matter how it got there.

[Smeagol]

Who cares? It's still there. It doesn't matter how it got there.

Yes it does matter. It's way better to have it indirectly from a North African Caucasoid than from a full blown jungle bunny.

[Longbowman]

Yes it does matter. It's way better to have it indirectly from a North African Caucasoid than from a full blown jungle bunny.

'I might be 1/4 SSA, but actually, I don't have a black grandparent, just two mulatto grandparents. This is better, for some reason.'

For non-racists, it makes no difference, and, I might add, for most racists, it doesn't either.

[Ctwentysevenj]

This Italian politician doesn't look exotic

Maria Boschi
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1665297/images/o-MARIA-ELENA-BOSCHI-facebook.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

This Italian politician doesn't look exotic

Maria Boschi
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1665297/images/o-MARIA-ELENA-BOSCHI-facebook.jpg

No of course not. But this thread focuses specifically on the ones who do.

[Hadouken]

No of course not. But this thread focuses specifically on the ones who do.
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/53345835.jpg

[Odin]

Dinaro-Meds, East-Meds, and few Gracile-Meds. Pass in Southern Europe.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Dinaro-Meds, East-Meds, and few Gracile-Meds. Pass in Southern Europe.

+1.

[Bigsaul]

It seems the OP used dark/altered pictures on purpose to make them look more exotic than what they do.

[Latinus]

Exotics????? Exotics would be Nordid Italians/Southern Europeans.

[Ruggery]

Exotics????? Exotics would be Nordid Italians/Southern Europeans.

Or North Africans / Middle East who look European.

[Latinus]

Or North Africans / Middle East who look European.

Yeah.

[Catarinense1998]

I didn't get your point OP. Both people below look very mediterranean. I don't see that "exotic". Mara Mucci has long and straigh nose, kind of long face, it is just a mediterranean example. Giuseppe looks whiter than your choosen picture shows:

He is just a Ligh Mediterranean one I think:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4602/28057146739_dc69e1c159.jpg

[MinervaItalica]

It seems the OP used dark/altered pictures on purpose to make them look more exotic than what they do.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.jpg

Yeah and you're an expert about the topic...

Glad you noticed it with your only 2 neurons. :lol:

[Mens-Sarda]

Nicola Bianchi is probably not fully Sardinian. Bianchi is not a Sardinian surname but it's imported from the continent.