Classify Romanian actor Sebastian Stan

[Gabi]

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sebastian-stan.jpg
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/black_swan_prem_012_wenn3121957.jpg
http://monden.acasa.ro/uploads/photos/original/146673-sebastian-stan.jpg
http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/wppa/Sebastian_Stan11.jpg
http://leeraloo.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/14.jpg
http://www.sebastianstanspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pyoh.jpg

[Gabi]

Bump.

[fenix978]

Brad Pittoid. :rolleyes: Does he have German ancestry?


http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/bradpitt.jpghttp://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/wppa/Sebastian_Stan11.jpg

[interes]

Baltid

[Gabi]

Brad Pittoid. :rolleyes: Does he have German ancestry?

No, he was born in the Dobruja region of Romania, on the Black Sea coast called Constanța and he's fully Romanian.

[blogen]

No, he was born in the Dobruja region of Romania, on the Black Sea coast called Constanța and he's fully Romanian.

Almost all Romanians in Dobruca are descendants of the modern age settlers from Wallachia and Moldova, so this was not a contradiction.

[Kouros]

bump v. Romanian look imo

[Odin]

Gorid + North Pontid.

[aherne]

Reduced Balkan CM. Faelid like even...

[Nurzat]

doesn't look Romanian at all. but such non-Romanian faces are pretty common in Romania, some Romanians look Greek, some Iranian, some Turkish, others look German or Russian etc.

[Roy]

Neo-Danubian + CM.

[The Blade]

Faelid/Alpinid mix.

[RenaRyuguu]

Place of Birth: Constanța, Romania

Date of Birth: August 13, 1982

Ethnicity: Romanian

[RenaRyuguu]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/98738cf4e0324b88009ff82b82a330db/tumblr_oqmgcqm2Bs1u7j6e0o1_500.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/fd520d9f98e88177b6b63ed3648bc23a/tumblr_o0yvlgSQdz1r26f4do7_500.png

https://68.media.tumblr.com/f78ba3151829283d900f543e2bf10311/tumblr_o9k79dB3ma1vx5y06o1_500.jpg

[Nurzat]

his name is not Romanian sounding, though. an American of Anglo origin could as well be names Sebastian Stan.. it's just not Stanescu or whatever.. so I doubt he's really Romanian - neither his face nor his name say that.

[Zmey Gorynych]

West-Baltid with Pontid-Norpontid. His mother looks a bit like Melody Gardot.


his name is not Romanian sounding, though. an American of Anglo origin could as well be names Sebastian Stan.. it's just not Stanescu or whatever.. so I doubt he's really Romanian - neither his face nor his name say that.
What are you on about? Stan is a surname that can be found in all counties of Romania and more common than Stanescu (which has the typical romanian ending "escu").

[Roy]

doesn't look Romanian at all. but such non-Romanian faces are pretty common in Romania, some Romanians look Greek, some Iranian, some Turkish, others look German or Russian etc.

What is precisely so non-Romanian about him?

[Satem]

Neo-Danubian + CM.

+1

[MobyD]

Gorid

[Nurzat]

What is precisely so non-Romanian about him?

https://78.media.tumblr.com/98738cf4e0324b88009ff82b82a330db/tumblr_oqmgcqm2Bs1u7j6e0o1_500.jpg

[Immanenz]

anybody with a little bit of anthropologcal knowledge knows this isnt how Gorid nor Neo Danubian looks (nor metrically is). Therefor David Charvet and Mark Hamill would be also Gorid :confused:

[Voskos]

Reminds me of Griezmann

[Daco Celtic]

his name is not Romanian sounding, though. an American of Anglo origin could as well be names Sebastian Stan.. it's just not Stanescu or whatever.. so I doubt he's really Romanian - neither his face nor his name say that.

Yes, Stan is unheard-of in Romania.
https://forebears.io/surnames/stan
https://i.imgur.com/MmCTqmU.jpg

It's ok, you probably know Ukrainian culture better.

[Nurzat]

Yes, Stan is unheard-of in Romania.

I didn't say it wasn't, I said Sebastian Stan as a name can be the name of an American as well as both first and last name are international. and he looks very American/Hollywood. I wonder how the theory of him being Romanian started, maybe it's a joke/internet stunt, recently a Chinese British tennis player was rumoured to be Romanian xD and she's Chinese, lol, see what I mean?

but anyway I never watch movies and if I rarely watch one is either European either Asian, especially Asian, so I may be very ignorant of Hollywood

[Daco Celtic]

I didn't say it wasn't, I said Sebastian Stan as a name can be the name of an American as well as both first and last name are international. and he looks very American/Hollywood. I wonder how the theory of him being Romanian started, maybe it's a joke/internet stunt, recently a Chinese British tennis player was rumoured to be Romanian xD and she's Chinese, lol, see what I mean?

but anyway I never watch movies and if I rarely watch one is either European either Asian, especially Asian, so I may be very ignorant of Hollywood

Over the last few years Hollywood has caught Vlach fever.

All joking aside, I've noticed a small amount of pseudo English sounding Romanian names like Stan, Tudor, etc

[Tommie]

recently a Chinese British tennis player was rumoured to be Romanian xD and she's Chinese, lol, see what I mean?
Emma Raducanu is half Chinese, half Romanian, born in Toronto but representing the UK.

[Ion Basescul]

I wonder how the theory of him being Romanian started, maybe it's a joke/internet stunt, recently a Chinese British tennis player was rumoured to be Romanian xD and she's Chinese, lol, see what I mean?



Embarrassing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0VDoTvGIbk

[Vanu]

bumb

[Nurzat]

Embarrassing

very humble guy, I'm impressed. gg. and he speaks it native level, just with that accent (I have relatives who speak worse after a few years in Italy xD

[Aspirin]

His mother surname is Orlovschi, which show partially East Slavic origin.

[Nurzat]

His mother surname is Orlovschi, which show partially East Slavic origin.

now we know where he gets his looks from. Dobrudja, the region he is from, has local native Russian Lipovan villages, Ukrainian Hohol villages, Tatar, Turkish, Greek villages, even Circasian. Romanians were colonized in the region very late, gradually starting some century ago, most probably after WW2 in the towns and the city of Kustandje

[Arūnas]

Dobrudja? ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335679-About-the-tomb-of-Vladislav-III-Yagelo-known-in-Bulgaria-as-VLADISLAV-VARNENCHIK

[Ion Basescul]

now we know where he gets his looks from. Dobrudja, the region he is from, has local native Russian Lipovan villages, Ukrainian Hohol villages, Tatar, Turkish, Greek villages, even Circasian. Romanians were colonized in the region very late, gradually starting some century ago, most probably after WW2 in the towns and the city of Kustandje

Don't forget the guy from Peceneaga, who likes to create 10s of threads about him being a noble Cuman, despite scoring less East Asian/Siberian/Amerind than the Romanian average.

[Nurzat]

Don't forget the guy from Peceneaga, who likes to create 10s of threads about him being a noble Cuman, despite scoring less East Asian/Siberian/Amerind than the Romanian average.

I forgot to mention the displacement of the Bulgarians - there was uninterrupted inhabitance of Bulgarians from today's Bulgaria up to where they still live in Budjak and Rep. of Moldova, right?

anyway, I'm not saying the territory is someone's, it was always an ethnic mosaic

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Gorid + North Pontid.

this and CM

[Ion Basescul]

there was uninterrupted inhabitance of Bulgarians from today's Bulgaria up to where they still live in Budjak and Rep. of Moldova, right?

Nope, they came at the beginning of the 19th century from Southeast Bulgaria. Mainly the modern provinces of Sliven and Yambol, with a minority from Burgas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Bulgaria

"În procesul de colonizare a Basarabiei, a guberniilor Herson şi Taurida în sec. al XIX-lea cu colonişti transdanubieni, în special bulgari, pot fi determinate, convenţional, mai multe etape:
1801-1806 – când peste 3 mii de colonişti din partea de sud a litoralului Mării Negre al Bulgariei (s. Grammatikovo (Burgas), Malko Târnova (Burgas), Adrianopol (Edirne) etc.) se îndreaptă spre Crimeea şi Moldova unde fondează primele sate bulgăreşti (Starâi Krâm, Kişlav, Balta Ciokrak ş.a.).
1829-1830 – strămutarea coloniştilor transdanubieni după războiul ruso-turc din 1828-1829. În această perioadă are loc cea mai masivă strămutare a bulgarilor (cca 140-150 de mii) în Rusia (în Basarabia şi Crimeea) din ţinuturile bulgare Sliven şi Iambol."

Source: Valentin Tomulet, Basarabia in Epoca Moderna (1812-1918)

[Ion Basescul]

Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
24
19.27
23.03
18.01
12.99
21.11
2.46
0.70
0.41
0.88
0.37
0.49
0.22
0.06


Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
3
22.16
20.14
18.01
13.21
20.12
3.13
1.58
0.27
0.85
0.27
0.20
0.00
0.08





Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Southeastern
12
20.13
21.81
18.44
13.87
20.44
2.92
0.43
0.30
0.48
0.44
0.47
0.11
0.07

[WeirdLookingFellow]

now we know where he gets his looks from. Dobrudja, the region he is from, has local native Russian Lipovan villages, Ukrainian Hohol villages, Tatar, Turkish, Greek villages, even Circasian. Romanians were colonized in the region very late, gradually starting some century ago, most probably after WW2 in the towns and the city of Kustandje

Thought the same, that he's at least partially Russian or Ukrainian.

[Ion Basescul]

Thought the same, that he's at least partially Russian or Ukrainian.

He looks atypical for both though and "schi" surnames are popular among Jews. That's a surname ending from Poland, which got propagated by Poles, West Ukrainians and Jews elsewhere.

[Tommie]

now we know where he gets his looks from. Dobrudja, the region he is from, has local native Russian Lipovan villages, Ukrainian Hohol villages, Tatar, Turkish, Greek villages, even Circasian. Romanians were colonized in the region very late, gradually starting some century ago, most probably after WW2 in the towns and the city of Kustandje
You're a troll, Romanians aren't recent immigrants to Dobrogea, they are autochtonous. Despite they weren't always the majority there due to heavy military colonization by Turks and Tatars in the 16th century, they were always present in the region, unlike Lipovans who only came in the 18th century.



Arab chronicles of the 13th century mentioned Dobrogea under the name "Şakji" and the Vlachs inhabitants under the names "al-Awalak" and "ulaqut".

Source: Dimitri Korobeinikov, "A broken mirror: the Kipçak world in the thirteenth century", In: The Other Europe from the Middle Ages, Brill 2008, p. 396



Anna Komnene mentioned the Vlachs in Alexiada, 11th century

https://i.imgur.com/M1oghN7.jpg


Eo ad Imperatorem de nocte venit Pudilus quidam e praecipuis Blachorum…


https://i.imgur.com/NWuceXy.jpg



There are also cartographic sources of the 18th century that are very important for the news they give on Romanians in Dobrogea. They record that all over the province between the Danube and the Black Sea, including in the Delta, a great number Romanian topical names for rivers, brooks, hills, lakes, valleys but also human settlements.

Source: Alexandru Arbore, About the Ethnography of Dobrogea. Contributions to Settlements of Tatars and Turkish in Dobrogea, Bucureşti , Casei Şcoalelor Publishing House, 1920, p. 87.




And Romanians from the left side of the Danube were settled in ever since the 15th century, not after WW2, and mixed with the local Romanians from Dobrogea, who were called Dicieni.



This name of Romanian Dicians seems to have been taken from a toponym Dicina, a possible version of the toponym Vicina attested in medieval sources of the 7th-14th centuries.

Gheorghe Brătianu, Recherches sur Vicina et Cetatea Albă, București, 1935, pp. 27-20.
George Vâlsan, „Graiul românesc”, I, 1927, nr. 7, p. 142 și Opere postume, București, 1936, p. 49



Information on Transylvanian sheperds we also have from Marin Ionescu Dobrogianu sustaining that the first emigration of the peasants towards Dobrogea takes place in 1477 when there is a great riot in Transylvania causing „an emigration of pesants over the Carpathians and over the Danube in Dobrogea where they could fiind enough ground for crops, espcially for their cattle’s grazing, most of them being sheperds”. Furthermore, Ionescu Dobrogianu claims that: „activities that followed in 1514 (Gh. Doja’s Peasant War n.n.), 1785 (Revolt led by Horea, Cloșca and Crișan n.n.) and then 1848 (European revolutions that brought a state of revolution in Principalities) had as corrolary a great number of Transylvanian to come to Dobrogea”.


In a letter to Baron of Bourquaneir, ambassador of France in Constantinople, sent by Czajkowski, the agent of the Polish prince Czartoryski we find out among others, that Romanians from northern part of Dobrogea, estimated in a number of 25-30.000 form the most numerous ethnic group of Christians. In 1840 on the road from Constantza to Cernavodă the famous writer Hans Christian Andersen remarked in the Carasu valley the Romanian sheperds but also peasants dressed in sheep waistcoat with hats in black felt. Somewhere earlier, before the Danish referring to Romanians from Dobrogea, we have Russian hieromonk Partenie. This on a trip made in 1838 towards Christians’ places of Orient, passing through Măcin observes that Christian peasants here are called „Romanians and speak Valachian language”.

Source:

Nicolae Chiachir, Radu Ştefan Ciobanu, Annexation of Dobrogea to the Living Area of Romanian State. Consecinţa The Consequence of Romanian Population Permanence on Dobrogean Land, p.162

Constantin C. Giurescu, News about Romanian Population of Dobrogea in Medieval and Modern Maps, Constanţa, 1966; Teodor MATEESCU, op.cit., p.26-27, 29.



The etnographer Guillaume Lejan as a result of many trips in Dobrogea, carried on at the Ottoman authorities’ request to study different technical and economical aspects, will search the territory „from village to village” as he himself asserts. His conclusions show that the Dobrogea inhabitants included 33.000 Romanians, this observation lacking any suspicion of favoring, because even contemporary studies use them without any essential digression.Similar to Lejan the German Karl F.Peters, geologist, presents things likewise, it is worth mentioning he had been living a considerable period in the middle of inhabitants from Dobrogea asserting that „there were many Romanian communities on the Danube from North to South”

Source: Guillaume Lejean, Etnographie de la Turquie de l`Europe, f.e., 1861, p.76.


Karl F. Peters, Geographie und Geologie der Dobrudscha, 1867, p.131. The researcher is reminded by Marin Ionescu Dobrogianu in his paper on Dobrogea.


The Hungarian Kelemen Mikes observes in 1738 that half of the population in Cernavodă was made up of Romanians and the Polish Iosif Podoski, in 1759 calls the inhabitants of Măcin „Moldavians”. Three years later, the Ragusan Giuseppe Ruggero Boscovich, reminds of a Romanian village, Satu Nou (New Village) and the Russian traveller Struve estimated in 1793 that Măcin, together with the surrounding area, was inhabited by a great number of Moldavians and Valachians.


"Romanians were scattered in the whole region and existed in considerable number in other purely Romanian islands close to Razelm lake, Techirghiol or Mangalia. Close to the Danube there were inhabitants up to 20-80 km from the river”

Source: B. I. Dinu, Attempts to Define a Demographic Evolution of Dobrogea ; 1887-1913, Ovidius University, Constanța, 1996, p. 98.

[Nurzat]

^ I was referring to more recent times. no intent to troll, but seeing an ethnic map of the land just before Romanian kingdom took over Dobrudja looked like that. also, look at K13 for Tulcea Romanians, they naturally look like Romanian-Ukrainian mixes (over 30% Baltic average, like Botoșani and Suceava counties in northern Moldova). in spite of ethnic history, East Slavs seem to be genetically relevant in the region right now, at least for Tulcea county

[Ion Basescul]

also, look at K13 for Tulcea Romanians, they naturally look like Romanian-Ukrainian mixes (over 30% Baltic average, like Botoșani and Suceava counties in northern Moldova).

Don't assume that this is close to the real average from there yet, because the sample size is only 5.
These are the individual results:



Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Tulcea (unspecified)
22.65
29.12
17.40
4.42
20.06
1.96
1.36
2.49
0.35
0
0.19
0
0


Tulcea (unspecified)
19.17
33.87
15.59
9.26
16.13
2.99
0
1.12
1.54
0
0.12
0
0.20


Tulcea (unspecified)
23.63
32.56
17.50
8.43
12.71
0.55
0.07
0
0.49
2.50
1.55
0
0


Apricity member CătălinCristian , Tulcea (Peceneaga)
20.65
26.70
17.19
10.49
19.25
2.39
0.44
0.37
0.84
1.01
0.08
0.59
0


Tulcea (unspecified)
22.58
31.36
14.37
10.90
16.01
2.56
0
0
1.23
0.53
0.19
0.27
0




Tulcea Ukrainian



Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Tulcea, Ukrainian
21.74
40.97
14.57
7.82
10.46
0.48
0
0
0.76
2.04
1.17
0
0