Poll: Is nordicism a bad thing?

[silverbell]

When people hear the word "Nordicism" they get chills up their spine..LOL! They think that nordicists are all racist and dislike everyone. That's is not true. I think nordicists are just a subgroup of white nationalists that just want to separate themselves from Slavs and Mediterraneans. I'm not nordic or nordicist myself, but I don't see them as bad people.

What do you guys think of them? Also, do you know any nordicists?

[Sikeliot]

I hate Nordicism because it promotes the idea that the closer you are to Northern European, the more superior you are.

[Smeagol]

Yes, but so is Medcentrism.

[SupaThug]

Nordicists suck :)

[Piccolo]

Yes, but so is Medcentrism.

I agree with you. Although Medcentrism is much less prominent, so it gets less attention.

[igo112]

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[LightHouse89]

I believe in Nordicism. The Northern brain is different than the Southern brain. I just fail to see how Northern Euros have anything in common with other 'Europeans'. We are not the same and superior to the rest of them. :cool:

[LightHouse89]

I hate Nordicism because it promotes the idea that the closer you are to Northern European, the more superior you are.

Some truth but to me they are not Nordic :cool: Northern ''Euros'' are just a separate race altogether. The last remnants of the Aryan [white] race. We are a dying people sadly but I am sure the world rejoices over this. Hey they lose in the end because our creative genius will disappear from this earth. Oh well.

[barbatus]

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with nordicism. I think the problems you see are because some people take it way too far. Blond fetishism is all that is.

[LightHouse89]

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with nordicism. I think the problems you see are because some people take it way too far. Blond fetishism is all that is.

They are just envious of us. Primitive barbarian Aryans who would later go on to create the largest empires on earth.

[AverageKorhonen]

Nordicists suck :)

Why do you think like that? What suck about it?

[AverageKorhonen]

... Also, do you know any nordicists?

Only the internet virgin ones. In real life, dicks are not nordicist at all. Their dicks ain't racist.

[igo112]

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[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Nordicists suck :)

I second this. Yes.

[barbatus]

" Amusingly enough, not one of those who have proclaimed the "nobility" of the Teutonic race was himself a Teuton. Gobineau was a Frenchman, Chamberlain, an Englishman; Woltmann, a Jew; Lapouge, another Frenchman." -- Benito Mussolini

He had an interesting point that I don't think he realized. The fact that two Frenchmen and a Jew argued for it does not detract from the point, if anything, it does the opposite.

[armenianbodyhair]

All the supremecist movements are for weak people who need something to believe in because they don't believe in themselves.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

All the supremecist movements are for weak people who need something to believe in because they don't believe in themselves.

Believe in TheWogWhisperer.

[silverbell]

I believe in Nordicism. The Northern brain is different than the Southern brain. I just fail to see how Northern Euros have anything in common with other 'Europeans'. We are not the same and superior to the rest of them. :cool:

Lol.,. Ur Native American and a nordicist? Are you a self hater?

[LightHouse89]

Lol.,. Ur Native American and a nordicist? Are you a self hater?

No. The only natives to America are WASPs. They created it to begin with. No I am very proud of my ancestors and everything they accomplished.

[SupaThug]

Why do you think like that? What suck about it?

Their ideas suck because they are biased!

[Cristiano viejo]

No. The only natives to America are WASPs. They created it to begin with. No I am very proud of my ancestors and everything they accomplished.

Spaniards arrived to America much before than WASP. You imitated the idea. And four of the ten cities more large of US (Los Ángeles, San Antonio, San Diego and San José) were founded by Spaniards, that land is our :icon_lol:
Plus, funny that you talk about superiority, Americans descend of European immigrants, low class people who had to emigrate for take something to the mouth :)

[Gooding]

Spaniards arrived to America much before than WASP. You imitated the idea. And four of the ten cities more large of US (Los Ángeles, San Antonio, San Diego and San José) were founded by Spaniards, that land is our :icon_lol:
Plus, funny that you talk about superiority, Americans descend of European immigrants, low class people who had to emigrate for take something to the mouth :)

True and a lot of people who are now American Southerners descend from indentured servants, like yours truly. :) The point is that we did come and brave a New World so we could enjoy freedoms that weren't available to us at home and so we would have a pot to piss in and food on the table. Food we raised and prepared ourselves ( okay, back in the day, maybe with the help of a slave or two. Not more than five). I applaud the Spanish for their kind invitation to the Acadian exiles ( some of whom I also descend from) to settle their land in Louisiana when everybody else was trying to get rid of them. Superiority is very much a subjective thing. I think everybody touts their own people as an expression of pride and gratitude to those who produced them, it's not necessarily exclusive to the English, the French, the Spanish or anyone else. I'd call Nordicism an expression of pride by those of Northern European descent in their own bloodlines. In this multicultural age, where almost everybody's encouraged to have pride in their roots, I'd just say this is but part of the common trend.

[Insuperable]

There is nothing wrong with Nordicists. You don't have to be a Northern European to be a Nordicist. Imo you can be of any race, heritage and so on. Nordicism is just the acceptance of reality, the acceptance of mental and physical superiority of Northern European race.

[Sikeliot]

There is nothing wrong with Nordicists. You don't have to be a Northern European to be a Nordicist. Imo you can be of any race, heritage and so on. Nordicism is just the acceptance of reality, the acceptance of mental and physical superiority of Northern European race.

Nordicism, however, makes people who are not Northern European go out of their way to try to emulate North Europeans, why do you think there are black people wearing blonde weaves, and on sites like this, Southern Europeans posting the blondest people from their ethnicities as if they are typical?

[alfieb]

There is nothing wrong with Nordicists. You don't have to be a Northern European to be a Nordicist. Imo you can be of any race, heritage and so on. Nordicism is just the acceptance of reality, the acceptance of mental and physical superiority of Northern European race.

Though you denied being a Nordicist the other day.


Southern Europeans posting the blondest people from their ethnicities as if they are typical?

Not that it would be a tragedy if there were more Benedictas in Wogistan.

[StonyArabia]

I don't mind it as long as it's European context.

[Borna]

No. If i was Nordic i would be nordicist too.

[Ulla]

Plus, funny that you talk about superiority, Americans descend of European immigrants, low class people who had to emigrate for take something to the mouth :)

So true. :D

[Insuperable]

Nordicism, however, makes people who are not Northern European go out of their way to try to emulate North Europeans, why do you think there are black people wearing blonde weaves, and on sites like this, Southern Europeans posting the blondest people from their ethnicities as if they are typical?

Well, what can be done about that!? I don't see anything wrong with blonde weaves and similar stuff. Regarding the latter thing...no words, but understandable to a point.


Though you denied being a Nordicist the other day.

I don't remember about denying me being a Nordicist. You will have to refresh my memory. I remember of something doing the opposite. though.

(fuck me if I know what I did 30 minutes ago)


Not that it would be a tragedy if there were more Benedictas in Wogistan.

Indeed.:)

[Alchemysta]

No definitely not.

[StonyArabia]

Yes, but so is Medcentrism.

It's even worse. Since they want to Medize the Middle East and take Semitic accomplishments. Nordicist don't really focus on the Mideast most often.

[Balmung]

Spaniards arrived to America much before than WASP. You imitated the idea. And four of the ten cities more large of US (Los Ángeles, San Antonio, San Diego and San José) were founded by Spaniards, that land is our :icon_lol:
Plus, funny that you talk about superiority, Americans descend of European immigrants, low class people who had to emigrate for take something to the mouth :)

You shouldn't take pride in a city that's largely shit today. If its the success of LA you're taking pride in, that was mostly Anglo and later Jewish directors/producers who put Hollywood on the map.

[щрбл]

So, unless you are blonde with blue eyes, you are considered a brown subhuman and are to be deported to Africa where your ancestors came from? xD

[Vasconcelos]

All -icisms are silly and have a tendency to attract nutcases.

[StonyArabia]

There is nothing wrong with north Europeans taking pride in culture and people, as well their accomplishments. The Nordicism is just used to attack North Europeans from what I have seen. Most Nordicists are people who are proud of their people and not haters, also the ideological aspect differ from person to person.

[silverbell]

Spaniards arrived to America much before than WASP. You imitated the idea. And four of the ten cities more large of US (Los Ángeles, San Antonio, San Diego and San José) were founded by Spaniards, that land is our :icon_lol:
Plus, funny that you talk about superiority, Americans descend of European immigrants, low class people who had to emigrate for take something to the mouth :)

Vikings came to Americas 600 years before them

[Gooding]

You shouldn't take pride in a city that's largely shit today. If its the success of LA you're taking pride in, that was mostly Anglo and later Jewish directors/producers who put Hollywood on the map.

How true. :cool:

[Gooding]

Looks like a Med/Nord shitstorm brewing..:fcinema:

[Vasconcelos]

Vikings came to Americas 600 years before them

And yet all they did was die or flee.

[StonyArabia]

Vikings came to Americas 600 years before them

Indeed btw they found Viking remains as far as Baffin Island in Canada, not mention on the east coast to.

[Aodhan]

No. If i was Nordic i would be nordicist too.

Yes .. I believe I also would.

[Aodhan]

I find this picture funny
http://i.imgur.com/PfreMZs.jpg

[Vesuvian Sky]

People on this site:


"Bell Beakers = Nordid...herp a derp a herp a derp herp a derp..."


What Beaker folk actually looked like:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1419/bmboris2.jpg

[StonyArabia]

It does not matter what the beaker folks looked like as it's ancient history. What matters is the here and now. Why do people think it's wrong for north Europeans to take pride in their culture, ancestry and accomplishments?

[Gooding]

It seems that the Nordo- Celtic peoples in Europe and America are engulfed by media that tells them to be accepting of other peoples and cultures, while the other peoples and cultures in question are told to take pride in their own. There are places online and IRL where identity becomes little more than a platform of debate to see " who's cooler than who." You read " Nordics are cooler than Mediterraneans. Mediterraneans are cooler than Nordics." Really? What about people, inside and outside of the European continent, who happen to descend from both? Will they spit on a large segment of their families just to look good? Why do something so damned stupid? It's good to take pride in your own, but does it absolutely have to be at someone else's expense?

[Vasconcelos]

Why do people think it's wrong for north Europeans to take pride in their culture, ancestry and accomplishments?

Having pride in your culture and etc is all good and healthy, but that's not what Nordicism (or Medicism) is about.

[Vesuvian Sky]

It does not matter what the beaker folks looked like as it's ancient history. What matters is the here and now. Why do people think it's wrong for north Europeans to take pride in their culture, ancestry and accomplishments?

What you're talking about in bold here isn't really Nordicism dude.

[Dombra]

Nordicism is perfectly fine :) Northern superiority is a natural phenomenon as the Med instinct is to try and prove ones worth in front of northerners, something that is synonymous with feeling/being inferior.

[SupaThug]

It does not matter what the beaker folks looked like as it's ancient history. What matters is the here and now. Why do people think it's wrong for north Europeans to take pride in their culture, ancestry and accomplishments?

Nordicism is not about being pride of what northern europeans achieved!Nordicism is about considering NE superior to other europeans,ignoring all their historical achievments,like the Roman empire,the ancient greek achievments,the italian renaissance,the portuguese and spanish maritime empires...

[alfieb]

Having pride in your culture and etc is all good and healthy, but that's not what Nordicism (or Medicism) is about.

Nope. They're regional supremacist concepts that are only marginally better than the bullshit idea of pan-European white nationalism.

[StonyArabia]

Nordicism is not about being pride of what northern europeans achieved!Nordicism is about considering NE superior to other europeans,ignoring all their historical achievments,like the Roman empire,the ancient greek achievments,the italian renaissance,the portuguese and spanish maritime empires...

This is true to an extent, however on many forums of this nature the term Nordicist used to attack north Europeans who don't agree with the Pan European ideas or show pride in being north Europeans . Nordicism is also a term that covers many elements it's not one thing. No one agrees with the nordocentric themes however, this varies from person to person.

[Pinatèu]

I wouldn't say nordicism or any idea of this kind is "bad", just that it is immature and pretentious, like the people who can't feel themselves piss because they have a few more or less obscure cultural references.

[Balmung]

How true. :cool:

Leading ladies and gents were also mostly Anglos, Irish, Germans and Jews. Not much has changed in cinema since that time. Except now we have more blacks. :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052656424/
http://www.listal.com/list/leading-men-50-most-unforgettable

[Antimage]

Yes, but so is Medcentrism.

i have never met a "medcentrist"

[Instinct]

Yes, it's bad.

[alfieb]

i have never met a "medcentrist"

That's because Meds are more extroverted.

[Gooding]

Leading ladies and gents were also mostly Anglos, Irish, Germans and Jews. Not much has changed in cinema since that time. Except now we have more blacks. :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls052656424/
http://www.listal.com/list/leading-men-50-most-unforgettable

Yeah, that's true. I think Hollywood standards have lowered somewhat, though. I say that to mark the lower quality movies Hollywood's been spewing out lately. It's not exactly what it was with Guy Williams, Annette Funicello, Yule Brenner, Richard Burton, Paul Newman and all of those ladies and gentlemen..

[StonyArabia]

i have never met a "medcentrist"

There are many medocentrics in many anthroforums. They have also keep talking nonsense on the Mideast and Europe in general.

[Morena]

Nordicism is bad because it tries to deny the accomplishments of others, not just fellow Europeans. I've heard Nordicist claim that ancient Egyptians were "Nordics." I've even been to a forum where one person made the preposterous claim that original Maya were Nordics who were displaced by brown people.

How many forums in which Whites argue about the true nature if the Greeks based on pigmentation and civilization, creating a causation/correlation between them. Then, they claim that "civilization moved slowly North as the True Whites (tm) became displaced from the brown hordes of the south."

OK, so what happened to the people who already lived north? Where they displaced? Did they absorb these people from the south?

The line between a Noridicist and an Afrocentrist is very thin, as they both are obsessed with hair color and eye color as being indicative of racial superiority. For example, an Afrocentrist telling me that I'm not white because I have black hair, which actually happened while I was at work one day. Or blacks claiming that people with curly hair or dark hair are mixed. Exactly how is that any different from the average Nordicist? For example, a Norcist will look at a 8% Mongoloid Saami and claim they are white and superior because of her pigmentation, but a 1.5% - 3% North African swarthy Spaniard is inferior and not true European due to that 1.5% -3% admixture. It's a ridiculous double standard.

There is nothing wrong with Nordic pride. In fact, I admire the people and think their culture is cool. I also find the people among the most attractive in the world, second only to Southern Europeans. I don't think anything is wrong with anyone having pride in their culture and accomplishments, but not at the expense of others.

The one consolation in all of this is that most of the most ardent Nordics seem to be non-Nordic wannabes. If I were Nordic, I would be proud of my accomplishments and my culture. But I would also find this constant worship of my people are some sort of idealized man as annoying, especially since they latch on to these ideals and accomplishments and try to connect them with their own. They are much like the Weeboos the Japanese find so annoying. There should be a name for French and Jewish Nordic wannabes.

[Insuperable]

Medcentrism is just a butthurrt, futile reply to Nordicism.

[alfieb]

Medcentrism is just a butthurrt, futile reply to Nordicism.

A Medocentrist is a Nordicist who read a history book.

[Insuperable]

Medcentrism is just a butthurrt, futile reply to Nordicism.

And so is Afrocentrism. Big difference.

[Insuperable]

A Medocentrist is a Nordicist who read a history book and live in 3000BC.

Okay.

[Antimage]

Nordicism is bad because it tries to deny the accomplishments of others, not just fellow Europeans. I've heard Nordicist claim that ancient Egyptians were "Nordics." I've even been to a forum where one person made the preposterous claim that original Maya were Nordics who were displaced by brown people.

How many forums in which Whites argue about the true nature if the Greeks based on pigmentation and civilization, creating a causation/correlation between them. Then, they claim that "civilization moved slowly North as the True Whites (tm) became displaced from the brown hordes of the south."

OK, so what happened to the people who already lived north? Where they displaced? Did they absorb these people from the south?

The line between a Noridicist and an Afrocentrist is very thin, as they both are obsessed with hair color and eye color as being indicative of racial superiority. For example, an Afrocentrist telling me that I'm not white because I have black hair, which actually happened while I was at work one day. Or blacks claiming that people with curly hair or dark hair are mixed. Exactly how is that any different from the average Nordicist? For example, a Norcist will look at a 8% Mongoloid Saami and claim they are white and superior because of her pigmentation, but a 1.5% - 3% North African swarthy Spaniard is inferior and not true European due to that 1.5% -3% admixture. It's a ridiculous double standard.

There is nothing wrong with Nordic pride. In fact, I admire the people and think their culture is cool. I also find the people among the most attractive in the world, second only to Southern Europeans. I don't think anything is wrong with anyone having pride in their culture and accomplishments, but not at the expense of others.

The one consolation in all of this is that most of the most ardent Nordics seem to be non-Nordic wannabes. If I were Nordic, I would be proud of my accomplishments and my culture. But I would also find this constant worship of my people are some sort of idealized man as annoying, especially since they latch on to these ideals and accomplishments and try to connect them with their own. They are much like the Weeboos the Japanese find so annoying. There should be a name for French and Jewish Nordic wannabes.

I agree, nordicists are as stupid as afrocentrists

[Gooding]

Okay, then, if you mean Nordicist as someone who pushes some kind of Nazi bullshit, then yes, it's a bad thing. It's an invitation to a nightmare, actually. If you mean a Nordicist as somebody of Northern European nationality or extraction who is simply proud of that part of his/ her heritage, I maintain that that attitude is harmless and even helps to build a healthy self- esteem.

[StonyArabia]

I agree, nordicists are as stupid as afrocentrists

So are Medocentrist the crap they spew.

[SupaThug]

So are Medocentrist the crap they spew.

Wich Medocentrist crap?

[Morena]

This is the kind of annoying culture worship I am talking about. This is a cool video by Vice City featuring some strong Icelandic men. I thought it was cool and liked it. Now read the comments. It's scattered with Nordicists claiming "racial superiority" on the basis of the achievements of others, while Icelanders, you know, the real Nordic people who live in Iceland responding with annoyance.

http://youtu.be/8A7woRoVwyM

[alfieb]

I guarantee you that there are people on VNN, Stormfront, and Apricity who masturbate watching the TV series Vikings.

[StonyArabia]

Wich Medocentrist crap?

A lot to name a few for example Arabia was originally australoid but Meds migrated and intermarried with the females there. Mesopotamia, Levant, ect were all Meds got altered by non white invasions. Countless bullshit with no genetic proof.

[SupaThug]

I guarantee you that there are people on VNN, Stormfront, and Apricity who masturbate watching the TV series Vikings.

I find those people who have a viking fetish to be so funny :laugh:

[StonyArabia]

Okay, then, if you mean Nordicist as someone who pushes some kind of Nazi bullshit, then yes, it's a bad thing. It's an invitation to a nightmare, actually. If you mean a Nordicist as somebody of Northern European nationality or extraction who is simply proud of that part of his/ her heritage, I maintain that that attitude is harmless and even helps to build a healthy self- esteem.

Well said.

[SupaThug]

Okay, then, if you mean Nordicist as someone who pushes some kind of Nazi bullshit, then yes, it's a bad thing. It's an invitation to a nightmare, actually. If you mean a Nordicist as somebody of Northern European nationality or extraction who is simply proud of that part of his/ her heritage, I maintain that that attitude is harmless and even helps to build a healthy self- esteem.

That's not what being a nordicist is about!

[Morena]

I guarantee you that there are people on VNN, Stormfront, and Apricity who masturbate watching the TV series Vikings.

lol I know. As historically inaccurate as it is, I wonder why they would bother. Being Nordicists and all. I watched the first season, was disgusted by its historical inaccuracy and stopped. Although some liberties should be expected, especially since we don't know much about some aspects of their cultures, others were completely inexcusable.

The Vikings thought that England didn't exist and was some mythical land of milk and honey? LOL no.

The Viking women dressed in Ren-fest castaways? LoL. No. Viking dresses were very pretty. I dunno why they didn't use them. Maybe they could have made them more form fitting for sex appeal and ditch the head scarf for the main characters, but I don't think that the costumes they used were much of an improvement.

Viking men cowered against the power of an all-powerful, corrupt Autocrat? Lol. I don't think so.

Not to mention the fact that the monk tolerated being called a "priest," even though they are not even close; that his crisis of faith involved the book of John crumbling, when his work as a scribe would have included the knowledge that paper isn't permanent - hence his job. And then there is the amusing fact that he only bible verse he seemed to know was the same one that is quoted in a semi-famous song by the Byrds. He took the book of John with him, and the writers of the show didn't even bother cracking it open.

:picard2:

I was very disappointed.

[alfieb]

lol I know. As historically inaccurate as it is, I wonder why they would bother. Being Nordicists and all. I watched the first season, was disgusted by its historical inaccuracy and stopped. Although some liberties should be expected, especially since we don't know much about some aspects of their cultures, others were completely inexcusable.
I was turned off the minute I saw Let's make Rollo of Normandy the brother of Ragnar!

But this coming season they're apparently going to send Rollo to France.

[igo112]

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[Balmung]

lol I know. As historically inaccurate as it is, I wonder why they would bother. Being Nordicists and all. I watched the first season, was disgusted by its historical inaccuracy and stopped. Although some liberties should be expected, especially since we don't know much about some aspects of their cultures, others were completely inexcusable.

The Vikings thought that England didn't exist and was some mythical land of milk and honey? LOL no.

The Viking women dressed in Ren-fest castaways? LoL. No. Viking dresses were very pretty. I dunno why they didn't use them. Maybe they could have made them more form fitting for sex appeal and ditch the head scarf for the main characters, but I don't think that the costumes they used were much of an improvement.

Viking men cowered against the power of an all-powerful, corrupt Autocrat? Lol. I don't think so.

Not to mention the fact that the monk tolerated being called a "priest," even though they are not even close; that his crisis of faith involved the book of John crumbling, when his work as a scribe would have included the knowledge that paper isn't permanent - hence his job. And then there is the amusing fact that he only bible verse he seemed to know was the same one that is quoted in a semi-famous song by the Byrds. He took the book of John with him, and the writers of the show didn't even bother cracking it open.

:picard2:

I was very disappointed.

Is it as bad as Spartacus? I havn't watched it. I watched Spartacus for the fight scenes which were good at times but man that show portrayed Romans as degenerates who for some reason had a strange obsession with cock, getting fucked in the ass and had no real sense of what true loyalty meant. If I had a dollar for every time Batiatus said "Once again the gods spread cheeks to ram cock in ass". Man that show really went down hill after Andy died who was the best thing about the show.

[Tooting Carmen]

Okay, then, if you mean Nordicist as someone who pushes some kind of Nazi bullshit, then yes, it's a bad thing. It's an invitation to a nightmare, actually. If you mean a Nordicist as somebody of Northern European nationality or extraction who is simply proud of that part of his/ her heritage, I maintain that that attitude is harmless and even helps to build a healthy self- esteem.

I agree. It is good for Northern Europeans to be proud of their histories and cultures. However, it is quite another thing to think they are superior to other Europeans and other races, and also to distort history by claiming that, once upon a time, not only Southern Europeans but even North Africans and Middle Easterners were all blonde and blue-eyed, before they all started mixing with (please tick off as appropriate) Gypsies/Indians/Black Africans/Arabians/Berbers/Turks...

[Balmung]

I agree. It is good for Northern Europeans to be proud of their histories and cultures. However, it is quite another thing to think they are superior to other Europeans and other races, and also to distort history by claiming that, once upon a time, not only Southern Europeans but even North Africans and Middle Easterners were all blonde and blue-eyed, before they all started mixing with (please tick off as appropriate) Gypsies/Indians/Black Africans/Arabians/Berbers/Turks...

I believe true people who believe that are a minority but you have all sides of people trying to take credit for civilizations in Africa and Asia. Many great civilizations are always disputed, Britain too. Hence every year it seems Brits become something else be it Germans, Iberians, mostly celts. Everyone wants to claim great people. Most people imo are wrongly labeled nordicist. An example would be someone labeling someone a nordicist for stating how strong the quality and productivity of Northern nations are today. That's not nordicism but an irrefutable fact as much as it was for Italy in antiquity. You also have people trying to discredit these accomplishments as well by claiming they are of little importance or trying to trace the accomplishment back to somewhere else. Extreme views wouldn't exist if people started appreciating each other and giving credit where it is due instead of attempting to be the one above all. Which is the very foundation and backbone of Afrocentrism, Nodicism, Medicism or any ism idealogy.

[Pyramidologist]

Nordicism: "Nordicism involves the belief that men of the "Nordic Race" - tall, slender, fair-skinned, blond, blue-eyed, narrow-faced, narrow-nosed, long-headed individuals - are qualitatively superior to the remainder of mankind. They are the creators of civilization, and their passing marks the passing of civilization." (Gregor, 1961)

The sort of Nordicist pseudo-history which had "Nordics" having founded or built all ancient world-civilizations (eg. Roger Pearson) was discredited many decades ago.

[Aviator]

Also, do you know any nordicists?

Plenty in real life, yes.

I would also point out that most people are passively Nordicist to a certain extent.

Edit: In addition, I think it's important to acknowledge that actual Nordicism isn't obsessed with claiming overrated and underdeveloped ancient Southern European civilizations as being Nordic. That trend is much more recent, and is pretty much limited to forums like this.

[Insuperable]

Plenty in real life, yes.

I would also point out that most people are passively Nordicist to a certain extent.

Of course, to a certain extent people of all colors and beliefs. As Sikeliot nicely explains:


Nordicism, however, makes people who are not Northern European go out of their way to try to emulate North Europeans, why do you think there are black people wearing blonde weaves, and on sites like this, Southern Europeans posting the blondest people from their ethnicities as if they are typical?

[Kabul]

If Nordicks were so great their women wouldn't be getting gangbanged by a pack of Somali beasts as we speak.

[Aviator]

Of course, to a certain extent people of all colors and beliefs. As Sikeliot nicely explains:

I'm referring more to every day people who don't even give these ideas a second of thought. Members cherry picking blonds from their Nations is much more active Nordicism than passive Nordicism. By passive Nordicism, I mean that most people uphold Northern European phenotypes as the standard of beauty, and things along those lines.

[Desaix DeBurgh]

I hate Nordicism because it promotes the idea that the closer you are to Northern European, the more superior you are.

Nordicism is not 'wrong' per se it is just illogical/delusional because compared to Ashkenazi Jews nordics have the intelligence of niggers (the same IQ difference between blacks and nordics) and because blacks are better at most sports than them. Also, Austria and Italy high a higher average IQ, than Sweden, by 1 IQ point and Austria and Italy are not nordic. Also, Scandinavia hasn't contributed as much to the arts and sciences as the French and Italians. Sweden is the only place with any large population of true real nordics.

[Aviator]

If Nordicks were so great their women wouldn't be getting gangbanged by a pack of Somali beasts as we speak.

The vast majority of them aren't. The recent epidemic of gangrapes in parts of Scandinavia is truly tragic though.

[Aviator]

Nordicism is not 'wrong' per se it is just illogical/delusional because compared to Ashkenazi Jews nordics have the intelligence of niggers (the same IQ difference between blacks and nordics) and because blacks are better at most sports than them. Also, Austria and Italy high a higher average IQ, than Sweden, by 1 IQ point and Austria and Italy are not nordic. Also, Scandinavia hasn't contributed as much to the arts and sciences as the French and Italians. Sweden is the only place with any large population of true real nordics.

Also consider the fact that Ashkenazi Jews are absolutely plagued by genetic diseases, which has led to some researchers (often Jewish themselves) to hypothesize that the genetics for these diseases may play a large role in Jewish intelligence. Also keep in mind that while there are more Jewish geniuses per capita than there are Germanic geniuses per capita, there are still many, many more Germanic geniuses around than Jews, simply because there are so many of them in total. Besides, the Northern European (and their Germanic Central European cousins) still have a notably high rate of individuals with high IQs. So this leads us to this conclusion: Northern and Central Europeans are the only peoples on Earth who can boast a large number of individuals who are not only geniuses, but also physically fit and healthy.

As for Blacks being more athletic, that's simply not true. What is true is that most contemporary sports are geared towards the two fields in which African Americans (who are an artificially selected population) excel in, which is short distance sprinting and vertical jumping height. When it comes to events such as the Strongman competitions or middle distance running, Northern Europeans tend to beat out Blacks. I would argue that while African Americans have the right traits for most of the currently popular sports, Northern Europeans are still more well rounded in terms of athleticism. This is often shown in combat sports such as wrestling and MMA.

[Leto]

I don't know if it's "bad" or not. But it's surely full of generalizations and other flaws.

[blubb]

What annoys me most with certain subgroups of both Nordicists and Medicists is that they think that there's some imaginary line going somewhere through Europe (like, say, the Alps) which binarily separates Europe into two distinct groups, above the line everyone's apparently blonde, blue-eyed and Nordic looking and below everyone's black-haired, brown-eyed and "swarthy". (for said group of Nordicists, all Southerners are brown lazy bums who siesta all day, for Medicists all Northerners are uncultured savage "barbarians" that lived in mudhuts until 1500 AD) And that there's no to little genetic, phenotypic, cultural,... overlap at all, which couldn't be further from the truth. Very often it turns out that such beliefs are held in the New World, and the only knowledge of Europe they got is probably from Hollywood movies or the History Channel.

[Gustave H]

Not really. More like a stupid, backwards, and 20th century fad thing.

[Desaix DeBurgh]

Also consider the fact that Ashkenazi Jews are absolutely plagued by genetic diseases, which has led to some researchers (often Jewish themselves) to hypothesize that the genetics for these diseases may play a large role in Jewish intelligence. Also keep in mind that while there are more Jewish geniuses per capita than there are Germanic geniuses per capita, there are still many, many more Germanic geniuses around than Jews, simply because there are so many of them in total. Besides, the Northern European (and their Germanic Central European cousins) still have a notably high rate of individuals with high IQs. So this leads us to this conclusion: Northern and Central Europeans are the only peoples on Earth who can boast a large number of individuals who are not only geniuses, but also physically fit and healthy.

Where are your statistical source for northern and central Europeans containing the most geniuses ? Also, if we look at central European geniuses, such as Johannes Kepler and many others, many of them look absolutely nothing like a blonde haired blue eyed halstatt nordic from Sweden. Also, how are northern Europeans the most physically fit and healthy when the British and Dutch are significantly fatter than French and Italians ? French and Italian women have the lowest BMI in Europe while British and Dutch women are the fattest in Europe. I would say you are letting your nigger level IQ (compared to Ashkenazi Jews) show here. Also, the Ahsknenazi Jews still have genetically superior intelligence no matter how you want to spin it.

https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/johannes-kepler-and-tycho-brahe.jpg


As for Blacks being more athletic, that's simply not true. What is true is that most contemporary sports are geared towards the two fields in which African Americans (who are an artificially selected population) excel in, which is short distance sprinting and vertical jumping height. When it comes to events such as the Strongman competitions or middle distance running, Northern Europeans tend to beat out Blacks. I would argue that while African Americans have the right traits for most of the currently popular sports, Northern Europeans are still more well rounded in terms of athleticism. This is often shown in combat sports such as wrestling and MMA.

MMA isn't a sport but a barbaric activity and the strongman competition is not a real sprt. Just about the only athletic activity that whites are inherently superior to blacks is swimming. Also, blacks don't just excel at short distance running, like sprinting, but also they are superior at running marathons.

[SupaThug]

Also consider the fact that Ashkenazi Jews are absolutely plagued by genetic diseases, which has led to some researchers (often Jewish themselves) to hypothesize that the genetics for these diseases may play a large role in Jewish intelligence. Also keep in mind that while there are more Jewish geniuses per capita than there are Germanic geniuses per capita, there are still many, many more Germanic geniuses around than Jews, simply because there are so many of them in total. Besides, the Northern European (and their Germanic Central European cousins) still have a notably high rate of individuals with high IQs. So this leads us to this conclusion: Northern and Central Europeans are the only peoples on Earth who can boast a large number of individuals who are not only geniuses, but also physically fit and healthy.

As for Blacks being more athletic, that's simply not true. What is true is that most contemporary sports are geared towards the two fields in which African Americans (who are an artificially selected population) excel in, which is short distance sprinting and vertical jumping height. When it comes to events such as the Strongman competitions or middle distance running, Northern Europeans tend to beat out Blacks. I would argue that while African Americans have the right traits for most of the currently popular sports, Northern Europeans are still more well rounded in terms of athleticism. This is often shown in combat sports such as wrestling and MMA.

Strongest people on earth IMO are Slavs and Pacific Islanders.Some native americans are very though too.

[swagcore]

europeans are all sons of celts anyway

[Pyramidologist]

I don't really care about the "Nordicism" that is being discussed. My issue is with the Roger-Pearson type of Nordicism which is revisionist pseudo-history like Afrocentrism.

The Pearson type of Nordicism was revived 10-15 years back on the internet by "Karl Earlson":

Nordic Hellas
http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/hellas.htm

Nordic Arabs
http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/nordicarabs.htm

Nordic Egypt
http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/nordicegypt.htm

[swagcore]

MMA isn't a sport but a barbaric activity and the strongman competition is not a real sprt. Just about the only athletic activity that whites are inherently superior to blacks is swimming. Also, blacks don't just excel at short distance running, like sprinting, but also they are superior at running marathons.

almost any sport relying on upper body strength is entirely white people

[Leto]

What annoys me most with certain subgroups of both Nordicists and Medicists is that they think that there's some imaginary line going somewhere through Europe (like, say, the Alps) which binarily separates Europe into two distinct groups, above the line everyone's apparently blonde, blue-eyed and Nordic looking and below everyone's black-haired, brown-eyed and "swarthy". (for said group of Nordicists, all Southerners are brown lazy bums who siesta all day, for Medicists all Northerners are uncultured savage "barbarians" that lived in mudhuts until 1500 AD) And that there's no to little genetic, phenotypic, cultural,... overlap at all, which couldn't be further from the truth. Very often it turns out that such beliefs are held in the New World, and the only knowledge of Europe they got is probably from Hollywood movies or the History Channel.
Yeah, pretty much this.

[gFalcon]

Nope. Nationalism is good as long as it does not turn into racism.

[Pyramidologist]

Yeah, pretty much this.

Yet, strangely you were defending "race" in the other thread. What this poster points out about clines applies to the whole world (not just Europe). Population boundaries are not clearcut, they all grade into another. This is why biologists recognise clines, not races.

[Borna]

Nordicism is the reality we neglected for too long.

[Leto]

Yet, strangely you were defending "race" in the other thread.
What I defended was the fact that we are not quite "the same", as the leftists argue.

[Pyramidologist]

What I defended was the fact that we are not quite "the same", as the leftists argue.

No one argues for this. It's a straw man you invented.

[Leto]

No one argues for this. It's a straw man you invented.
Really? They say we're all just human and all those differences are absolutely arbitrary. Whether that's race or something else, I can see with my own two eyes that an Icelander, a Senegalese and a Chinese are NOT "exactly the same". I always wonder why they constantly preach "diversity" if we are the same.

[LightHouse89]

No one argues for this. It's a straw man you invented.

A lie.

[LightHouse89]

Yet, strangely you were defending "race" in the other thread. What this poster points out about clines applies to the whole world (not just Europe). Population boundaries are not clearcut, they all grade into another. This is why biologists recognise clines, not races.

You realize race has multiple definitions right?

[Leto]

You realize race has multiple definitions right?
Even if it is a social construct, it still exists. Society itself is a construct.

[Pyramidologist]

A lie.

No biologist denies there is human biological variation.

No two individuals are identical in genotype or phenotype (not even "identical twins", who are very similar, but not identical).

[LightHouse89]

Where are your statistical source for northern and central Europeans containing the most geniuses ? Also, if we look at central European geniuses, such as Johannes Kepler and many others, many of them look absolutely nothing like a blonde haired blue eyed halstatt nordic from Sweden. Also, how are northern Europeans the most physically fit and healthy when the British and Dutch are significantly fatter than French and Italians ? French and Italian women have the lowest BMI in Europe while British and Dutch women are the fattest in Europe. I would say you are letting your nigger level IQ (compared to Ashkenazi Jews) show here. Also, the Ahsknenazi Jews still have genetically superior intelligence no matter how you want to spin it.

https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/johannes-kepler-and-tycho-brahe.jpg



MMA isn't a sport but a barbaric activity and the strongman competition is not a real sprt. Just about the only athletic activity that whites are inherently superior to blacks is swimming. Also, blacks don't just excel at short distance running, like sprinting, but also they are superior at running marathons.

Not always the cause. Although I tend to look at the differences between Colonial descendants here [from dutch or british extraction] and compare them to those living in the UK and Europe. We have a more agrarian based culture here than the UK. I have always thought of the British as being a sedentary people. I don't know much about the Dutch. Most I have seen are tall and slim. Germans I am not too sure about either. I have met fat French people in Canada and here who come as tourists.

Most blacks here are skinny although you have some who are not. Most white kids on football teams for example are burly and strong looking. There was not a single black on the team despite them being fast runners. They play basket ball mostly or cross country but they are mostly inferior at contact sports with the exception of afew.

[alfieb]

Even if it is a social construct, it still exists. Society itself is a construct.
To an extent.

Hell, Europe is a social construct. Unlike other continents that actually exist, Europe is merely a subcontinent. A peninsula within Eurasia.

But back to the topic at hand.

Fuck Nordicists.

[Leto]

No biologist denies there is human biological variation.

No two individuals are identical in genotype or phenotype (not even "identical twins", who are very similar, but not identical).
You wouldn't deny the fact that populations are different from each other. English people (real Englishmen, not just citizens of England) are closer to each other than to, say, Italians or Poles.

[LightHouse89]

No biologist denies there is human biological variation.

No two individuals are identical in genotype or phenotype (not even "identical twins", who are very similar, but not identical).

I care about groups not individuals. You cannot evaluate a group by looking at an individual. This is common sense.

[LightHouse89]

You wouldn't deny the fact that populations are different from each other. English people (real Englishmen, not just citizens of England) are closer to each other than to, say, Italians or Poles.

Yes this is where the 'cline' theory comes into play. I do not view this 'theory' as accurate when describing groups of people. I tend to view Haplogroups as the best way of looking at human populations and the graphs that support who is closer to whom. Those distance graphs say a lot. This is my opinion. Mind you I am not a biologist. I just realize there are differences in all populations which to me supports the idea races exist. One could argue there might be more races in this world than we previously thought to exist.

[LightHouse89]

To an extent.

Hell, Europe is a social construct. Unlike other continents that actually exist, Europe is merely a subcontinent. A peninsula within Eurasia.

But back to the topic at hand.

Fuck Nordicists.

fuck medicists. :p

[LightHouse89]

Even if it is a social construct, it still exists. Society itself is a construct.

This social construct crap is all bullshit designed by PC people who want to make it easier for third worlders to adapt to our society. Its the phrase to yell out at 'xenophobes' when they are told they are not native to a certain land or culture.

It is obvious that race exists or ethnic groups. Whichever term you prefer to use. There will always be differences no matter what results these retarded tests show. I am more interested in environmental conservation than looking at graphs or 'theories' regarding race. Why? They wont ever debunk race. They can try all they want but they will always come up with evidence supporting differences in mankind.

[Leto]

Hell, Europe is a social construct. Unlike other continents that actually exist, Europe is merely a subcontinent. A peninsula within Eurasia.

Actually, this is true.

But back to the topic at hand.


Fuck Nordicists.

Please tell me why are you so provocative? I mean you hate groups that aren't close to you, even though they don't pose a threat to your people/your culture. Why do you hate Northerners, Slavs, Anglo-Saxons, other groups. For example, I don't hate Sicilians or Algerians or other groups, they haven't done anything wrong to me, they are just different. I may even respect them or be simply indifferent to them. It's okay that you like Meds and their cultures, no one says otherwise. But why be so antagonistic?

[LightHouse89]

Also consider the fact that Ashkenazi Jews are absolutely plagued by genetic diseases, which has led to some researchers (often Jewish themselves) to hypothesize that the genetics for these diseases may play a large role in Jewish intelligence. Also keep in mind that while there are more Jewish geniuses per capita than there are Germanic geniuses per capita, there are still many, many more Germanic geniuses around than Jews, simply because there are so many of them in total. Besides, the Northern European (and their Germanic Central European cousins) still have a notably high rate of individuals with high IQs. So this leads us to this conclusion: Northern and Central Europeans are the only peoples on Earth who can boast a large number of individuals who are not only geniuses, but also physically fit and healthy.

As for Blacks being more athletic, that's simply not true. What is true is that most contemporary sports are geared towards the two fields in which African Americans (who are an artificially selected population) excel in, which is short distance sprinting and vertical jumping height. When it comes to events such as the Strongman competitions or middle distance running, Northern Europeans tend to beat out Blacks. I would argue that while African Americans have the right traits for most of the currently popular sports, Northern Europeans are still more well rounded in terms of athleticism. This is often shown in combat sports such as wrestling and MMA.

All I look at is our achievements in the modern age, the British Empire, Manifest Destiny, America [not modern], and much of the modern age belongs to us and our achievements. Do I think I am better for realizing this? maybe alittle bit but not necessarily superior seeing we have become so stupid as to allow non whites to flood our lands along with random incompatible whites to come here [catholics and jews for example]. I don't really hate southern euros or believe at one time they were Nordic peoples. Genetic evidence wouldn't support this idea.

[Vasconcelos]

I tend to view Haplogroups as the best way of looking at human population

Haplogroups are rather meaningless in present day. I'm apparently I-M253, yet I have no special affinity with North Germanics.

[LightHouse89]

Haplogroups are rather meaningless in present day. I'm apparently I-M253, yet I have no special affinity with North Germanics.

That doesn't mean anything. You are most likely mostly R1B like me. This makes us largely western European in terms of genetics. Smaller markers like I-M253 I think represent a tiny amount of outside DNA which doesn't really mean anything. It could be from some distant Visigoth or Vandal ancestor. I am sure I have some Norse DNA, Anglo-Saxon, maybe some Med influence from southern France/Iberia and the rest would cluster around Ireland and Britain.

I actually found out by the way that my supposed Swedish ancestor was actually Scottish. The retarded immigration services gave my sister the wrong information on an ancestor. Also it did not collaborate with a local town's death certificate on where this ancestor was from. The surnames were Scottish too but the immigration card said Sweden. [sorry for going off topic] but if this is the case then I am predominantly of British/Irish extraction with 12.5% from south western France [bordering Spain] and 12.5% North Western Germany [one ancestor from Prussia]. I am taking a genetic test soon and I will post the results up here :). I am interested to see how much R1B I am :cool:. I am also interested in the minor input from southern france and north western Germany. I think I have a unique background but not uncommon for my area at all. Although few Germans and French people or descendants here.

[alfieb]

Please tell me why are you so provocative? I mean you hate groups that aren't close to you, even though they don't pose a threat to your people/your culture. Why do you hate Northerners, Slavs, Anglo-Saxons, other groups. For example, I don't hate Sicilians or Algerians or other groups, they haven't done anything wrong to me, they are just different. I may even respect them or be simply indifferent to them. It's okay that you like Meds and their cultures, no one says otherwise. But why be so antagonistic?

Who said I hate Northern or Eastern Europeans? I said fuck Nordicists.

I drink Swedish vodka. I used to play Danish lego sets until I was a teenager. I love Russian and German music.

True Nordicists are supremacist pieces of human garbage. I don't like supremacists in general.

[LightHouse89]

Who said I hate Northern or Eastern Europeans? I said fuck Nordicists.

True Nordicists are supremacist pieces of human garbage. I don't like supremacists in general.

Alfieb if you and I are not supremacists then the immigrants will take over the country. We have to do something for Christ sake!

[sioned]

I think it depends...some nordicist promote Nordicism as a cultural view, while others use it to slander the rest of europeans...

[Pyramidologist]

You wouldn't deny the fact that populations are different from each other. English people (real Englishmen, not just citizens of England) are closer to each other than to, say, Italians or Poles.

Yes, but they would only be averages. Secondly, the genetic/phenotypic variation that shows population structure conforms to a pattern of isolation-by-distance, i.e. a clinal, as opposed to a race model. "English", "Poles" and so on are arbitrary groups in a biological sense.

[Leto]

I actually found out by the way that my supposed Swedish ancestor was actually Scottish. The retarded immigration services gave my sister the wrong information on an ancestor. Also it did not collaborate with a local town's death certificate on where this ancestor was from. The surnames were Scottish too but the immigration card said Sweden. [sorry for going off topic] but if this is the case then I am predominantly of British/Irish extraction with 12.5% from south western France [bordering Spain] and 12.5% North Western Germany [one ancestor from Prussia]. I am taking a genetic test soon and I will post the results up here :). I am interested to see how much R1B I am :cool:. I am also interested in the minor input from southern france and north western Germany. I think I have a unique background but not uncommon for my area at all. Although few Germans and French people or descendants here.
Scottish? Was he an immigrant from Scotland?

[LightHouse89]

Scottish? Was he an immigrant from Scotland?

His grand parents were :). Its odd how my sister messed up gathering that info though. I picked up on it when I was looking into the records I asked the town my particular ancestor came from for death certificates and brth certificates and this is how I noticed the mistake.

[Leto]

His grand parents were :). Its odd how my sister messed up gathering that info though. I picked up on it when I was looking into the records I asked the town my particular ancestor came from for death certificates and brth certificates and this is how I noticed the mistake.
So you aren't 12.5% Swedish? Well, you are 75% Anglo-Celtic in this case.:thumb001:

[Trogdor]

It's pretty bad when you think you are better than someone else or "purer" than someone else just because you are from one part of the world in my opinion.

[LightHouse89]

So you aren't 12.5% Swedish? Well, you are 75% Anglo-Celtic in this case.:thumb001:

Yes. :cool:

[LightHouse89]

It's pretty bad when you think you are better than someone else or "purer" than someone else just because you are from one part of the world in my opinion.

:rolleyes: come on man who conditioned you to be so liberal?

[Mikasa]

Nordicism is needed if Nordic people wanna survive. the whole world admires our beauty and we're at the top of the totem pole for desired features, all.over.the.world

[Trogdor]

:rolleyes: come on man who conditioned you to be so liberal?

That's how I was raised, dude. :shrug: There are things I don't agree with liberals on though.

[alfieb]

Nordicism is needed if Nordic people wanna survive.
No, xenophobia would work just fine.

[Velda]

They are just envious of us. Primitive barbarian Aryans who would later go on to create the largest empires on earth.

I am not envious of you.
What I dislike on those "nordicism"-guys is, that they believe to be more beautiful than others. The believe to be more intelligent in addition.
So, in my opinion, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, Concerning the intelligence, it might true, that this is the main power of the human race in contrast to the instincs of most animals.
If this intelligence helps them to survive, it is superior.
If it is a kind of intelligence, which does not help them to survive, personally or as a race for the coming generations - it is useless.

Survive, this will be the proof, that you are superior. Otherwise you are not.

[Leto]

it promotes Euro-Centralism.
Do you need Afro-centrism?:)

[Ultra]

Nordicism in it's true essence barely exists here or anywhere else for that matter. What people usually refer to as being 'Nordicism' is simply the truth.

[Leto]

Why not bump it?:p

[LightHouse89]

I am a proud Anglophone.

[Leto]

I am a proud Anglophone.
English has little to do with race.

[LightHouse89]

English has little to do with race.

I like the Nordicist sentiments that once existed here. Now its cooler to be a minority. It has most to do with the Nazis and the insanity they unleashed onto Europe. That's how Nordicism died here and in other English speaking countries.

[Pyramidologist]

Nordicism in it's true essence barely exists here or anywhere else for that matter. What people usually refer to as being 'Nordicism' is simply the truth.

And you're "Nordic"? lol. If that is you in your avatar: you're another extreme outlier for even a "Caucasoid". You have a wide-"Negroid" nose.

[FeederOfRavens]

And you're "Nordic"? lol. If that is you in your avatar: you're another extreme outlier for even a "Caucasoid". You have a wide-"Negroid" nose.

That's not Ultra in his avatar but Benedikt Magnusson, an Icelandic strongman.

[LightHouse89]

Why not bump it?:p

I knew you were a Nordicist. A lot of slavs are which makes me LOL. Many of you look Nordid too I think.

[LightHouse89]

And you're "Nordic"? lol. If that is you in your avatar: you're another extreme outlier for even a "Caucasoid". You have a wide-"Negroid" nose.

Retard exposed.

[NatiaCutie]

All forms of racism are bad and stupid :)
Say no to them.

[King Claus]

All forms of racism are bad and stupid :)
Say no to them.then what about feminism, feminazi?

[Leto]

I knew you were a Nordicist. A lot of slavs are which makes me LOL. Many of you look Nordid too I think.
No, I'm not. I respect and admire Germanic people and their cultures (including languages which I'm very interested in), but I'm not a Nordicist.

[LightHouse89]

No, I'm not. I respect and admire Germanic people and their cultures (including languages which I'm very interested in), but I'm not a Nordicist.

I am. I believe the Nordic race encompasses more than just 'Germanics'.

[Leto]

I am. I believe the Nordic race encompasses more than just 'Germanics'.
That's because you are part Irish and French.:p:lightbul:

[Leto]

That's not Ultra in his avatar but Benedikt Magnusson, an Icelandic strongman.
Damn. I've always thought that's Ultra himself.

[caviezel]

the problem is germanicism, trying to separate east germans from their slavic brethren. it's sad to see these self proclaimed germanicist americans who have ancestry in places like Silesia or Volga that are rejecting their slavic genes.