Classify "White Beirut" people, Lebanon. [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

dawson

02-25-2015, 02:30 PM

http://www.whitebeirut.com/

http://beiruting.com/Content/Uploads/Event/Revolver-pub-nightlife-lebanon-beirutIMG_0400-130904105701673.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-31.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-30.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-21.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-28.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-23.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-24.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-29.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-19.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-20.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-13.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-15.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-9.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-10.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-8.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-7.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-25.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-5.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/white-beirut-30-09-2010/white-beirut-26.jpg

http://starscene.dailystar.com.lb/wp-content/gallery/90s-fever-at-white-beirut/90s-fever-at-white-beirut-11.jpg

Tooting Carmen

02-25-2015, 02:31 PM

Principally East Med-Arabid mixes.

Peter Nirsch

02-25-2015, 02:31 PM

They look very very Italian, particularly Naples Campania, Calabria and Sicily.

someone looks Pakistani and from Caucaus, one looks Black African and oly few can pass as White Europeans

Dun93

02-25-2015, 02:32 PM

why are these lebanon fuckers praised in TA ? srsly they look middle eastern just like their neighbours

Sikeliot

02-25-2015, 03:09 PM

Honestly a lot of them DO pass as Sicilian, though exotic. Some of them have the stereotype Jersey Shore look also.

But others have too much Arabid.

Peter Nirsch

02-25-2015, 03:09 PM

Pure Arabs, but still whiter than Peter Niggersh.

ohhhhhh, another poster from Italicroots, what's your nickname there
apart nigger and faggot, you can't wrote anything else? You're ridicolous self hating people

the people in the pictures look like the ones in the Calabrian discos posted by Sikleliot.

Amici

02-25-2015, 03:12 PM

ohhhhhh, another poster from Italicroots, what's your nickname there
apart nigger and faggot, you can't wrote anything else? You're ridicolous self hating people

the people in the pictures look like the ones in the Calabrian discos posted by Sikleliot.

Say the retard with an Italian IP and Email. LOL

Sikeliot

02-25-2015, 03:13 PM

Ok enough, stop. Just stay on topic and classify.

Sikeliot

02-25-2015, 03:16 PM

Peter Nirsch

02-25-2015, 03:18 PM

Say the retard with an Italian IP and Email. LOL

this dumb is one of the dumbs who write in Italicroots, I'd like to know how he could know my Ip address, ROFL
what real moderators say? Am I in Italy? LOL
And what about my email?It's hide,I even don't remember it, but that dumb is sure it's italian LOL

AndyDandy

02-25-2015, 03:23 PM

Very nice people. They don't pretend to be whiter than they are as Italians.

I like some Lebanese girls, very hot:)

Sikeliot

02-25-2015, 03:25 PM

Peter Nirsch

02-25-2015, 03:29 PM

The thing is that Lebanese are white, and as such being told you look Lebanese does not mean you look "Arab", Lebanese are Arabized they are NOT Arabs by blood. Only Arabian Peninsula is Arabs by blood.

they are caucasoid, of course. I think Lebanese and Israelians are the whitests in middle east.

Alchemysta

02-25-2015, 03:32 PM

Italians.

dude

02-25-2015, 03:38 PM

I personally have know 3 Lebanese people. One is a guy at work, he is olive skinned and passes more as Arab than white. My neighbor where I used to live look white but he was born in Lebanon, he married a white women and his son looked white, blond. I currently have a neighbor that I thought she was white, fair skinned but a bit off looking. I just found out her parents are Lebanese.

Alchemysta

02-25-2015, 03:39 PM

this dumb is one of the dumbs who write in Italicroots, I'd like to know how he could know my Ip address, ROFL
what real moderators say? Am I in Italy? LOL
And what about my email?It's hide,I even don't remember it, but that dumb is sure it's italian LOL

Oh yes,the italian moderators share users ip's with their friends from italic roots without the blackmailed users knowledge.

Gaston

02-25-2015, 03:39 PM

Not white.

No mugshot for Lebanese? :rolleyes:

Amici

02-25-2015, 03:41 PM

Real Lebanese and Syrians protesting.

http://i.imgur.com/LmgMiTR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QP6VxAH.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/3sts2gzz9/article_2203291_1503_B22_A000005_DC_612_964x568.jp g

http://i.imgur.com/g1yMRET.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5um2YXY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UqA4KJu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FrnWSPo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FTfMTG0.jpg

Lebanese National soccer team

http://i.imgur.com/F6L4Po1.jpg

Syrian National soccer team

http://i.imgur.com/Dv2IIYd.jpg

Amici

02-25-2015, 03:52 PM

Not white.

No mugshot for Lebanese? :rolleyes:

ROFL

Arrested Syrians in Italy.

I am not even cherrypicking. These are the first ones I've found.

There are many other much much more exotic than them.

http://i.imgur.com/WURNbSz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/N7dlQxM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pMuttSp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/e4nO68T.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YbKb6Nt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sXzEAHy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nDPNua2.jpg

Casandrinos

02-25-2015, 05:08 PM

Litorid (med-Armenoid) , Gracile med/Arabid intermediates, Asiatic Alpine, Irano-med , Dinaro-med some Turanoid and SSA admixed people.

Lebanese are purple btw

Tooting Carmen

02-25-2015, 05:29 PM

The thing is that Lebanese are white.

No, they are not. That's like saying that Spaniards and Greeks are Nordic.

Tiberio

02-25-2015, 05:35 PM

dawson

02-25-2015, 05:40 PM

Honestly a lot of them DO pass as Sicilian, though exotic. Some of them have the stereotype Jersey Shore look also.

But others have too much Arabid.

how can they have "too much Arabid" if most of Lebanese are Arabs?

Tooting Carmen

02-25-2015, 05:42 PM

how can they have "too much Arabid" if Lebanon is an Arab country?

He means that, in his opinion, some look too Saudi-like to be passable in Southern Italy, whereas others look more generically East Med.

Sikeliot

02-25-2015, 05:43 PM

He means that, in his opinion, some look too Saudi-like to be passable in Southern Italy, whereas others look more generically East Med.

Correct. What is your thought?

Tooting Carmen

02-25-2015, 05:46 PM

Correct. What is your thought?

Around a fifth to a quarter can pass as darker-than-average Southern Europeans, and the rest look distinctly Levantine/Near Eastern.

Kamal900

02-25-2015, 05:50 PM

Around a fifth to a quarter can pass as darker-than-average Southern Europeans, and the rest look distinctly Levantine/Near Eastern.

Agreed.

pelikarski

02-25-2015, 06:07 PM

About 15% look white

Tooting Carmen

02-25-2015, 06:08 PM

About 15% look white

Where would those ones mostly pass?

pelikarski

02-25-2015, 06:13 PM

In Southern Europe and one two in Central maybe

Highlands

02-25-2015, 06:18 PM

East Med/Arabid mixes.

Nebuchadnezzar

02-25-2015, 06:19 PM

Guys Guys...... Just because you "Speak" arabic, it doesn't make you genetically arab.

These are the true arabs, from the arabian peninsuala:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f7/89/0b/f7890b6b02da12f2b4bcc76e55770c64.jpg
http://www.apogeephoto.com/dec2013/Maarten_photos/Photo-09b-A-Yemeni-dressed-up-smart.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d1/34/0e/d1340e1243397b26899a2f1816da6b4e.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000cNn_m2EU6mI/s/900/900/Oman-37-894-33-Omani.jpg

The lebanese, although are arabic speaking, they're phonecians..... But i'm not saying that there isn't true genetically arabs who have migrated to Lebanon, 100+ years ago

Kamal900

02-25-2015, 06:27 PM

StonyArabia

02-25-2015, 06:48 PM

They're not even 100 percent Phoenician even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvlIrWk9utI

Levantines in general do have Arabian admixture:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?156094-Genome-Wide-Diversity-in-the-Levant-Reveals-Recent-Structuring-by-Culture

Don't forget the Arabian tribes who had an impact on the levant since antiquity like the Kedarites, Midanites, and later the Nabateans, and the infamous Ghassanids. This was before even Islam was formulated. Also many Arabian tribes made the region their home. The non Arab Phoenician is nothing but a colonial myth that the French created, as a divide and conquer strategy, and this was adopted by the Maronities and this what justified their atrocities against thee Muslim Lebanese and the Palestinians, they were native and these were Arab invaders, that said many Christians in Lebanon rejected this myth as it was born without good intentions. We don't know about the Phoenicians or there genetic imprints because they have long been gone before any of the Arab speakers set foot there. Most of the population was Aramaic speaking a language very close to Arabic anyways this why the switch was easy it occurred mostly during Ghassanid rule.

Kamal900

02-25-2015, 06:52 PM

Don't forget the Arabian tribes who had an impact on the levant since antiquity like the Kedarites, Midanites, and later the Nabateans, and the infamous Ghassanids. This was before even Islam was formulated. Also many Arabian tribes made the region their home. The non Arab Phoenician is nothing but a colonial myth that the French created, as a divide and conquer strategy, and this was adopted by the Maronities and this what justified their atrocities against thee Muslim Lebanese and the Palestinians, they were native and these were Arab invaders, that said many Christians in Lebanon rejected this myth as it was born without good intentions. We don't know about the Phoenicians or there genetic imprints because they have long been gone before any of the Arab speakers set foot there. Most of the population was Aramaic speaking a language very close to Arabic anyways this why the switch was easy it occurred mostly during Ghassanid rule.

I am aware of that, yes. Herodotus even mentioned that Arabians occupied much of southern Palestine/Israel and the Sinai peninsula even. We're neighbors anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise about all of that dude.

StonyArabia

02-25-2015, 07:04 PM

I am aware of that, yes. Herodotus even mentioned that Arabians occupied much of southern Palestine/Israel and the Sinai peninsula even. We're neighbors anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise about all of that dude.

Indeed. Though people need to examine history and where these myths originate from, most often from the colonial superpowers, which never had good intentions , we have seen how this myth ripple Lebanon through a cycle of violence, and when people are ignorant of their history they became self haters and lose their rational when they are told a lie. Neighbours often intermix and interact with each other , and genetics shows Levantine are the closest population to Arabians. This European like Levantines is nothing but bs and mostly done by people who have no self respect and want to support a colonial myth.

alb0zfinest

02-25-2015, 07:09 PM

They look very very Italian, particularly Naples Campania, Calabria and Sicily.

someone looks Pakistani and from Caucaus, one looks Black African and oly few can pass as White Europeans

So in general they look very Italian according to you (they don't), but they can't pass as European? :laugh:

dawson

02-26-2015, 03:41 PM

Pulsa Dinura

03-05-2015, 11:44 AM

Don't forget the Arabian tribes who had an impact on the levant since antiquity,
Levant is a broad term...Arabian tribes had an impact in Arabia since antiquity, and started to have an impact on the Levant with the Islamic invasion.

like the Kedarites, Midanites, and later the Nabateans,
Nabateans were not Arabs.

Also many Arabian tribes made the region their home.
What was the name of their towns/cities outside the Arabian Peninsula?

The non Arab Phoenician is nothing but a colonial myth that the French created.

So…. Phoenicia is a myth created by the French?

StonyArabia

03-05-2015, 01:24 PM

Levant is a broad term...Arabian tribes had an impact in Arabia since antiquity, and started to have an impact on the Levant with the Islamic invasion.

The Levant is the Levant, no they had strong impact in the Levant starting with the Kedarites and ending with the Ghassanids.

Nabateans were not Arabs.

They certainly were, they spoke Northern Arabic but shifted to Aramaic creating their own dialect and then going back to Arabic. Most Bedouin tribes in Syria, Jordan, and western Iraq see then as their ancestors. Their Arabian origins can not be contested. The Nabatean pantheon was very similar to other North Arabians rather than to non Arabs. Jordanians for example are genetically Arabian.

What was the name of their towns/cities outside the Arabian Peninsula?

Al Hira, Hatra, and Baalbek.

So…. Phoenicia is a myth created by the French?

Modern Phoenicia and it's outcome is indeed a colonial myth created by the French, but ancient Phoenicia is not and is real but it's people have long been vanished into history just like the Sumerians. Claiming Sumerian ancestry by Iraqis will seem laughable, but they don't, not the colonist had an interest in creating a myth like the French did in Lebanon.

I know this bothers you but the Arab Bedouin input is very high in the Levant more so than any other area outside Arabia.

Nurzat

03-05-2015, 01:34 PM

generally Mediterranean with rather Eastern vibes. best fit in the Balkans, especially in summer when people get tanned (there is hardly anything else except Mediterranean and Alpine and their combinations in these pics)

spanish catalan

03-05-2015, 01:51 PM

mediterranean-arabid-armenoid-asiatic alpine mix

Pulsa Dinura

03-05-2015, 07:42 PM

They certainly were, they spoke Northern Arabic but shifted to Aramaic creating their own dialect and then going back to Arabic. Most Bedouin tribes in Syria, Jordan, and western Iraq see then as their ancestors. Their Arabian origins can not be contested.
It’s affirmed by ALL oriental geographers and historians and even by ARAB geographers and historians!.

According to AL TABARI (839-923 A.D) he talked in details about Nabateans by saying that they were Aramaic, native and NON ARAB from Syria and Iraq...He also affirms that Nabateans were Semite but from a different branch of the Arabs:
Arabs descent from Yaqtan ibn Aber, ibn saleh, ibn Arphakshad, ibn Sem, ibn nou7, while Nabateans descent from Nabith, ibn Mash, ibn Aram, Ibn Sem, ibn Nou7.

So, Nabateans are Aramaic not only by race, but also by language!
Ibn el nadim (936-995 A.D) said that Nabatean language was the language God spoke to Adam in paradise.
Ibn Assaker (1105-1176 AD) talked almost the same about Nabateans.
Al Balazori (died in 892 AD) opposes Nabateans (Anbat) and Arabs (in foutou7 al bouldan):
"Abu Ubayda (chief of the arab armies who conquered syria in 636 A.D)
made a peace treaty with the government of Al Jorjoumah...Also Nabateans took part in the peace treaty to protect their citizens".

Al Balazori also described the Mardaite expedition against Omeyyades by saying: "in the time of Abdel Malek bin Marwan, a batallion of the Byzantine cavalery reached the Amanus mountain, then reached Lebanon bringing with them Jarajimah, Nabateans and other rebels against Muslims”.

Moreover, in arabic language Nabateans and Arameans are synonyms.

Abu Abdullah Al-Hussain ibn Ali Al-Namari, the well-known Arab scholar said:
"Verily Allah created five colors - white, black, red, yellow, and green. He made four of these colors in the Children of Adam - white, black, red, and yellow. He gave the ARABS, the Abyssinians, the Zanj, and those who look like them in general – blackness (al-sawad)...And He gave the Persians, the Romans, the Nabateans, and those who look like them in general - whiteness, redness, and yellowness."

The Nabatean pantheon was very similar to other North Arabians
Which other North Arabians "pantheons"?

Al Hira, Hatra, and Baalbek.
Al Hira is a city 18 km to the south of Najaf, Iraq... (Is Al Hira in the Levant?)
Hatra, is an ancient city 100 kms to the south west of Mosul, Iraq...(is Hatra in the Levant?)
Baalbek was never an Arab city...until the Islamic invasion in 636 CE.

Modern Phoenicia and it's outcome is indeed a colonial myth created by the French
Modern Phoenicia is the actual Lebanon, so the French created and colonized Lebanon for 23 years (1920-1943) ...what about the 400 years of Ottoman occupation who made actual Lebanon a part of geographic Syria?

but ancient Phoenicia is not and is real but it's people have long been vanished into history just like the Sumerians.
Romans also vanished into history, today they are called Italians.
Ottomans also vanished into history, today they are called Turks.
Teutons also vanished into history, today they are called Germans.
Incas also vanished into history, today they are called Peruvians.
Persians also vanished into history, today they are called Iranians.
Phoenicians(Canaanites) also vanished into history, today they are called...;)

I know this bothers you but the Arab Bedouin input is very high in the Levant more so than any other area outside Arabia.It doesn't bother me at all since you stretched the Levant to Al Hira and Hathra :)

StonyArabia

03-05-2015, 10:05 PM

It’s affirmed by ALL oriental geographers and historians and even by ARAB geographers and historians!.

According to AL TABARI (839-923 A.D) he talked in details about Nabateans by saying that they were Aramaic, native and NON ARAB from Syria and Iraq...He also affirms that Nabateans were Semite but from a different branch of the Arabs:
Arabs descent from Yaqtan ibn Aber, ibn saleh, ibn Arphakshad, ibn Sem, ibn nou7, while Nabateans descent from Nabith, ibn Mash, ibn Aram, Ibn Sem, ibn Nou7.

So, Nabateans are Aramaic not only by race, but also by language!
Ibn el nadim (936-995 A.D) said that Nabatean language was the language God spoke to Adam in paradise.
Ibn Assaker (1105-1176 AD) talked almost the same about Nabateans.
Al Balazori (died in 892 AD) opposes Nabateans (Anbat) and Arabs (in foutou7 al bouldan):
"Abu Ubayda (chief of the arab armies who conquered syria in 636 A.D)
made a peace treaty with the government of Al Jorjoumah...Also Nabateans took part in the peace treaty to protect their citizens".

Al Balazori also described the Mardaite expedition against Omeyyades by saying: "in the time of Abdel Malek bin Marwan, a batallion of the Byzantine cavalery reached the Amanus mountain, then reached Lebanon bringing with them Jarajimah, Nabateans and other rebels against Muslims”.

Moreover, in arabic language Nabateans and Arameans are synonyms.

Abu Abdullah Al-Hussain ibn Ali Al-Namari, the well-known Arab scholar said:
"Verily Allah created five colors - white, black, red, yellow, and green. He made four of these colors in the Children of Adam - white, black, red, and yellow. He gave the ARABS, the Abyssinians, the Zanj, and those who look like them in general – blackness (al-sawad)...And He gave the Persians, the Romans, the Nabateans, and those who look like them in general - whiteness, redness, and yellowness."

Which other North Arabians "pantheons"?

Al Hira is a city 18 km to the south of Najaf, Iraq... (Is Al Hira in the Levant?)
Hatra, is an ancient city 100 kms to the south west of Mosul, Iraq...(is Hatra in the Levant?)
Baalbek was never an Arab city...until the Islamic invasion in 636 CE.

Modern Phoenicia is the actual Lebanon, so the French created and colonized Lebanon for 23 years (1920-1943) ...what about the 400 years of Ottoman occupation who made actual Lebanon a part of geographic Syria?

Romans also vanished into history, today they are called Italians.
Ottomans also vanished into history, today they are called Turks.
Teutons also vanished into history, today they are called Germans.
Incas also vanished into history, today they are called Peruvians.
Persians also vanished into history, today they are called Iranians.
Phoenicians(Canaanites) also vanished into history, today they are called...;)

It doesn't bother me at all since you stretched the Levant to Al Hira and Hathra :)

The Aramaics were group of people who originated in Syria and associating many people as well their language became the lingua franca of the Middle East. The Nabateans themselves traced their origins to north central Arabia. According to the biblical lore the Nabateans are descendant of Ishamel the forefather of the Arabian specifically the North Arabian tribes. Ishamel bore 12 sons and his eldest was called Naboth. Aramaic and Arabic are very similar languages. Arabic today is descendant of northern Arabic. The Nabateans knew of their Arab origins despite speaking Aramaic.

Today many Bedouins like I said in Jordan, western Iraq, and southeast Syria claim descent from them. The Nabatean pantheon had important Goddesses like Al lat, Manat, and Al Uzzah which were worshipped and seen of importance to the north Arabian tribes. They were also a semi-matriarchal race compared to the genuine Aramaics and this makes them similar to southern Arabians in that regard which they had into contact with. The Bedul tribe is dark skinned and claim direct descent from the Nabateans, however it is true that Arabians were a small dark skinned race. Then the term Nabatean began to used wrongly to refer to any Aramaic speaker.

I was showing pre islamic Arabian cities. The Arab presence and history pre dates Islam.

Well the Ottoman did in fact create those regions as much the French. The only problem is those groups you mention show a continuity with their respective history but not the Lebanese. Let's look at Iraqis for example they have nothing to do with the Sumerians, other than living in the same region.

armenianbodyhair

03-05-2015, 10:07 PM

muh peepol

Shepherd

03-05-2015, 10:14 PM

they all look so tired..

pelikarski

03-05-2015, 10:38 PM

I'll leave Sicily alone this time. But I have to say this. here are some photos, same lighting and setting, in Reggio Calabria. How different do they really look once you remove the Arabid influenced ones in Lebanon?

https://www.facebook.com/nomasdisco/photos_stream

Sik, if you find the FB of this girl let me know. I am going to propose to her
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10264482_401964036647765_8372879097090823906_n.png ?oh=f65035ce85690290394ff427c2cef5a8&oe=557C5649&__gda__=1433644579_b648a3eae81aeae87d16e3347d7db21 4
https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11022585_401962483314587_7030595169612223992_n.png ?oh=c3001473f1d41eeadcb879b3d3bce0e4&oe=5574C265

dawson

03-05-2015, 10:41 PM

Sik, if you find the FB of this girl let me know. I am going to propose to her
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10264482_401964036647765_8372879097090823906_n.png ?oh=f65035ce85690290394ff427c2cef5a8&oe=557C5649&__gda__=1433644579_b648a3eae81aeae87d16e3347d7db21 4
https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11022585_401962483314587_7030595169612223992_n.png ?oh=c3001473f1d41eeadcb879b3d3bce0e4&oe=5574C265

she resembles Asia Argento a bit

pelikarski

03-05-2015, 10:42 PM

she resembles Asia Argento a bit

Fine woman, isnt she?

Kamal900

03-05-2015, 10:55 PM

It’s affirmed by ALL oriental geographers and historians and even by ARAB geographers and historians!.

According to AL TABARI (839-923 A.D) he talked in details about Nabateans by saying that they were Aramaic, native and NON ARAB from Syria and Iraq...He also affirms that Nabateans were Semite but from a different branch of the Arabs:
Arabs descent from Yaqtan ibn Aber, ibn saleh, ibn Arphakshad, ibn Sem, ibn nou7, while Nabateans descent from Nabith, ibn Mash, ibn Aram, Ibn Sem, ibn Nou7.

So, Nabateans are Aramaic not only by race, but also by language!
Ibn el nadim (936-995 A.D) said that Nabatean language was the language God spoke to Adam in paradise.
Ibn Assaker (1105-1176 AD) talked almost the same about Nabateans.
Al Balazori (died in 892 AD) opposes Nabateans (Anbat) and Arabs (in foutou7 al bouldan):
"Abu Ubayda (chief of the arab armies who conquered syria in 636 A.D)
made a peace treaty with the government of Al Jorjoumah...Also Nabateans took part in the peace treaty to protect their citizens".

Al Balazori also described the Mardaite expedition against Omeyyades by saying: "in the time of Abdel Malek bin Marwan, a batallion of the Byzantine cavalery reached the Amanus mountain, then reached Lebanon bringing with them Jarajimah, Nabateans and other rebels against Muslims”.

Moreover, in arabic language Nabateans and Arameans are synonyms.

Abu Abdullah Al-Hussain ibn Ali Al-Namari, the well-known Arab scholar said:
"Verily Allah created five colors - white, black, red, yellow, and green. He made four of these colors in the Children of Adam - white, black, red, and yellow. He gave the ARABS, the Abyssinians, the Zanj, and those who look like them in general – blackness (al-sawad)...And He gave the Persians, the Romans, the Nabateans, and those who look like them in general - whiteness, redness, and yellowness."

Which other North Arabians "pantheons"?

Al Hira is a city 18 km to the south of Najaf, Iraq... (Is Al Hira in the Levant?)
Hatra, is an ancient city 100 kms to the south west of Mosul, Iraq...(is Hatra in the Levant?)
Baalbek was never an Arab city...until the Islamic invasion in 636 CE.

Modern Phoenicia is the actual Lebanon, so the French created and colonized Lebanon for 23 years (1920-1943) ...what about the 400 years of Ottoman occupation who made actual Lebanon a part of geographic Syria?

Romans also vanished into history, today they are called Italians.
Ottomans also vanished into history, today they are called Turks.
Teutons also vanished into history, today they are called Germans.
Incas also vanished into history, today they are called Peruvians.
Persians also vanished into history, today they are called Iranians.
Phoenicians(Canaanites) also vanished into history, today they are called...;)

It doesn't bother me at all since you stretched the Levant to Al Hira and Hathra :)

The Phoenicians were pretty much died out, and the genetic contribution in both Christians and Muslims is 23 to 30 percent at most while the rest is genetic cocktail. Btw, the maronites don't have more Phoenician blood than their muslim counterparts, and the genetic outliers between these two commuities is based on foreign admixture.

Using this technique, Zalloua's team discovered that the Phoenician signature is still carried by 6% of males in populations around the Mediterranean and remains in 30% of males in the area where the Phoenician civilization existed.

He says that the results show that the bulk of genetic differentiation in Lebanon appears to have occurred before the rise of the religions that now mark the divisions within the country.

"The way I see it," Zalloua says, "Lebanon already had well-differentiated communities with their own genetic peculiarities, but not significant differences, and religions came as layers of paint on top."

"There is no distinct pattern that shows that one community carries significantly more Phoenician than another."
http://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddleeast/article/10.1038/nmiddleeast.2013.46

As for the Nabateans, they are an Arabian tribe originated in Northern Arabia which adopted the Aramaic laguage from the Aramaid speaking peoples since the language was the imperial and prestige language at that time. You can find Arabic lines written alongside with Aramaic which linguists and archeologists today believe that they are indeed an Arab Semitic tribe. There are plenty of pre-Islamic Arabian cities like Gerrha, Tayma, Qaryat Al-Faw, Dedan, Dumat Al-Jandal(Adummatu ) in North and Central Arabia. The Arameans originally came from what is now Iraq in the 13th century BC, and from that period they began migrating to the Levant assimilating the Semitic and non-Semitc peoples of Syria and elsewhere. Oh, and btw, Lebanese people are not white. So please stop being an OWDer.

dawson

03-05-2015, 11:03 PM

Fine woman, isnt she?

I dont see the swan tattoe

Tommy199

03-06-2015, 12:02 AM

East Med

Ctwentysevenj

03-06-2015, 01:32 AM

They are mainly look east Med/Arabid. Why is it when there are Arabs to be classified, always Italians are compared. Italians are Europeans. Most of those Lebanese don't look Italian.

Smeagol

03-06-2015, 04:00 AM

No, they are not. That's like saying that Spaniards and Greeks are Nordic.

Yes they are.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 11:13 AM

They are mainly look east Med/Arabid. Why is it when they are Arabs are classified, always Italians are compared. Italians are Europeans. Most of those Lebanese don't look Italian.

I think because Italians are mostly used by many OWDers in order to be accepted as whites, and unfortunately, Italians are one of the most trolled people in this forum. Italians are whites while Levantines aren't even remotely white or European. I missed Peyrol :(

Pulsa Dinura

03-06-2015, 02:31 PM

The Aramaics were group of people who originated in Syria and associating many people as well their language became the lingua franca of the Middle East. The Nabateans themselves traced their origins to north central Arabia. According to the biblical lore the Nabateans are descendant of Ishamel the forefather of the Arabian specifically the North Arabian tribes. Ishamel bore 12 sons and his eldest was called Naboth. Aramaic and Arabic are very similar languages. Arabic today is descendant of northern Arabic. The Nabateans knew of their Arab origins despite speaking Aramaic.

So you are refuting what ARAB and MUSLIM geographers and historians said about Nabateans ...

I was showing pre islamic Arabian cities. The Arab presence and history pre dates Islam.
Baalbeck did not have Arab presence before Islam.

Aleida

03-06-2015, 02:34 PM

East Med/Arabid.

They don't register as white to me !

Nebuchadnezzar

03-06-2015, 02:50 PM

What's the requirments of being labelled or considered "White" ?

Sikeliot

03-06-2015, 02:53 PM

Why is a Lebanese not white? Is it their culture? Because in the US at least in the northeast they look white..

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 02:53 PM

What's the requirments of being labelled or considered "White" ?

To be white, you need to be racially, genetically and culturally European. Any compromise to either of these things is considered to be a mongrel. Lebanese are not whites, and will never be accepted as white by Europeans. This OWDness from them is degrading and disgusting.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 02:54 PM

Why is a Lebanese not white? Is it their culture? Because in the US at least in the northeast they look white..

They're not white, and many Europeans here agree with that statement. Don't encourage OWD on them.

Pausanias

03-06-2015, 02:55 PM

I really like the lebanese people :)

Sikeliot

03-06-2015, 02:55 PM

They're not white, and many Europeans here agree with that statement. Don't encourage OWD on them.

So if you came across a Southern European who happened to be able to pass as Levantine, are they not white either? What about a Lebanese who can pass as a Western European (yes, they exist).

Nebuchadnezzar

03-06-2015, 02:58 PM

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 03:00 PM

So if you came across a Southern European who happened to be able to pass as Levantine, are they not white either? What about a Lebanese who can pass as a Western European (yes, they exist).

Have you ever been to Lebanon? How many southern Europeans do you know that looked 100 percent Levantine? Southern Europeans cluster far closer to any Europeans rather than to west Asians. These so called "western European" Lebanese are obviously admixed with the western Europeans. Culturally speaking, they have nothing to do with Italy, Spain and other med European nations.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 03:02 PM

What about the White Jesus from Nazareth, could he pass as "White civilized European/Freedom Loving American" ?

Jesus never existed, lol. But if he did indeed have existed then he would have looked no different from any Mizhari or Sephardic jew.

Sikeliot

03-06-2015, 03:03 PM

Have you ever been to Lebanon? How many southern Europeans do you know that looked 100 percent Levantine? Southern Europeans cluster far closer to any Europeans rather than to west Asians. These so called "western European" Lebanese are obviously admixed with the western Europeans. Culturally speaking, they have nothing to do with Italy, Spain and other med European nations.

None, but there are Levantines who look well within the Southern European spectrum are there not? You've completely changed your mindset because you definitely did once consider Levantines to be white.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 03:06 PM

None, but there are Levantines who look well within the Southern European spectrum are there not? You've completely changed your mindset because you definitely did once consider Levantines to be white.

Can you please show me the post that i have made in the past claiming that Levantines to be white? I hate being accused of OWD, and no, i'm not white whether its racially, culturally and genetically. And you know what? I'm proud to be non-White Arab Levantine, so please stop putting me in the same shoes as samysamy or Alucard.

Pulsa Dinura

03-06-2015, 03:11 PM

The Phoenicians were pretty much died out,
True, just like Romans, Ottomans, Persians, Vikings ....

and the genetic contribution in both Christians and Muslims is 23 to 30 percent at most while the rest is genetic cocktail.

Btw, the maronites don't have more Phoenician blood than their muslim counterparts, and the genetic outliers between these two commuities is based on foreign admixture.
Who is contesting? The Muslims who carry the Phoenician gene were Christians who converted to Islam during the Islamic expansion.

As for the Nabateans, they are an Arabian tribe originated in Northern Arabia which adopted the Aramaic laguage from the Aramaid speaking peoples since the language was the imperial and prestige language at that time. You can find Arabic lines written alongside with AramaicYou are also refuting what ARAB and MUSLIM geographers and historians said about Nabateans.

which linguists and archeologists today believe that they are indeed an Arab Semitic tribe.It is not plausible to suggest that arab bedouins suddenly became, in a very short period of time, great architects , dwellers, engineers and stonemasons.

There are plenty of pre-Islamic Arabian cities like Gerrha, Tayma, Qaryat Al-Faw, Dedan, Dumat Al-Jandal(Adummatu ) in North and Central Arabia.Nobody is contesting their presence in Arabia.

Oh, and btw, Lebanese people are not white. So please stop being an OWDer.
Uh? who is claiming to be white...or black?

...and btw, Lebanese people are not ONE people.

lord j1

03-06-2015, 03:14 PM

Lebanese are only 5% (WHG) they will never be white

Tooting Carmen

03-06-2015, 03:21 PM

To be white, you need to be racially, genetically and culturally European. Any compromise to either of these things is considered to be a mongrel. Lebanese are not whites, and will never be accepted as white by Europeans. This OWDness from them is degrading and disgusting.

But as Cypriots in particular prove, physiologically at least the differences between Europeans and Middle Easterners are not always so rigid and absolute. After all, Cypriots are a roughly equal composite of both stereotypical 'European' looks and stereotypical 'Middle Eastern' looks.

Tooting Carmen

03-06-2015, 03:26 PM

So if you came across a Southern European who happened to be able to pass as Levantine, are they not white either?

Certainly they'd be very borderline. In fact, I'd even say that there are more Europeans who look Middle Eastern rather than the other way round. And not just the much trolled Southern Europeans either - Britain and France also have a small number of natives who look Middle Eastern, e.g. Christine Bleakley and Thomas Hollande.

Tooting Carmen

03-06-2015, 03:32 PM

How many southern Europeans do you know that looked 100 percent Levantine?

Look up Wanda Ferro, Teresa Mannino, Beppe Fiorello, Corrado Fortuna, Angelo Capodicasa, Enrico Lo Verso (and those are just Sicilians, never mind the potential number of Levantine types from other Southern European groups).

Southern Europeans cluster far closer to any Europeans rather than to west Asians.

It depends which groups you are talking about. Greeks and South Italians are roughly equidistant genetically between French and Lebanese people, and closer to the Lebanese than to other Northern Euros except the French. However, you are totally correct regarding Iberians and Northern Italians.

These so called "western European" Lebanese are obviously admixed with the western Europeans. Culturally speaking, they have nothing to do with Italy, Spain and other med European nations.

Maybe.

EDIT: Wanda Ferro is from Calabria rather than Sicily, not that it matters much though.

Sikeliot

03-06-2015, 03:36 PM

It depends which groups you are talking about. Greeks and South Italians are roughly equidistant genetically between French and Lebanese people, and closer to the Lebanese than to other Northern Euros except the French. However, you are totally correct regarding Iberians and Northern Italians..

Sicilians are halfway between Spanish/north Italians and Lebanese actually. Same might be true for Crete. Other Greeks I am unsure. Mainlanders sometimes come up half German half Cypriot, or 2/3 Sicilian and 1/3 Polish.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 04:15 PM

True, just like Romans, Ottomans, Persians, Vikings ....

Who is contesting? The Muslims who carry the Phoenician gene were Christians who converted to Islam during the Islamic expansion.

You are also refuting what ARAB and MUSLIM geographers and historians said about Nabateans.

It is not plausible to suggest that arab bedouins suddenly became, in a very short period of time, great architects , dwellers, engineers and stonemasons.

Nobody is contesting their presence in Arabia.

Uh? who is claiming to be white...or black?

...and btw, Lebanese people are not ONE people.

I already have stressed many times that, while many northern Arabians were nomadic during ancient times, but at the same time, they did live in cities that Assyrian and Greek records mention them as being inhabited by Arabs. The first mention of Arabs was from the Assyrian accounts from the 9th century BC when Gindibu, king of the Arabs or Aribi, forged an alliance with the Aramaean king of Damascus against the Assyrians. The northern Arab tribal confederation were known as the Qedarites, which their main city is in what is now Dumat Al-Jandal(Adummatu ). Its not impossible for people to abandon their lifestyle and live in cities in short period of time. Its like how the people of Oman before 1970's used to be nomadic but began living in cities after Sultan Qaboos rose to power. You can read these sources if you want:
https://books.google.ae/books?id=SBWmAwOJI2UC&pg=PA204&dq=qedarite+people&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FMv5VK2zI8HyUMX9g5gK&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=qedarite%20people&f=false
https://books.google.ae/books?id=bpWGAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA49&dq=qedarite+people&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FMv5VK2zI8HyUMX9g5gK&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=qedarite%20people&f=false
https://books.google.ae/books?id=l4DZAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=arabs+in+antiquity+nabateans&source=bl&ots=6j6gyQyKCW&sig=bCU3JtCMiSaVc481hpAM-1tOUb0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dcX5VJGzDIStU_C0hFA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=arabs%20in%20antiquity%20nabateans&f=false

Here's a video about them:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bdb27_ancient-megastructures-petra-discovery-history-science-documentary_tv

Now, as for the language. The Assyrians and the Jews have abandoned their languages in favor of Aramaic in ancient past, but that doesn't mean both peoples are ethnically Arameaen. Assyrians today speak Aramaic, but that doesn't mean they are ethnically Arameaen(Their original language was Assyrian which is an Akkadian language). The same can be said about Arabic speaking Jews ad Maltese(their language, Maltese, is Arabic, but that doesn't mean they are ethnically Arabs). The English language is used in America, Canada and Australia and many countries around the globe as official language of the government and people but that doesn't mean that they are ethnically Anglo-Saxon. Language =/= ethnicity. Many scholars and archeologists would agree that the Nabateans were either Aramaic speaking Arabians or that they were a mixture between Aramaeans and Arabs. The Arabic language was also written in Nabatean script alongside with Aramaicin Petra. The genealogies from early Islamic period is late and not very accurate when it comes to historical ethnicity and etc(even the sources i have provided say the same thing). Jews considered the Canaanites in the old testament as the people of Ham(they did not considered them to be Semites even), and consider them to be ethnically different from the Israelites. However, modern scholars and archeologists state that the Israelites did not came from outside the Levant, and they are also ethnically Canaanite as well. Arabs lived in what is now transjordan, southern Palestine, South and East of Syria and were an ethnic element in Babylonia and etc. I agree with you on the Baalbek city which weren't inhabited by Arabs.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 04:41 PM

Look up Wanda Ferro, Teresa Mannino, Beppe Fiorello, Corrado Fortuna, Angelo Capodicasa, Enrico Lo Verso (and those are just Sicilians, never mind the potential number of Levantine types from other Southern European groups).

It depends which groups you are talking about. Greeks and South Italians are roughly equidistant genetically between French and Lebanese people, and closer to the Lebanese than to other Northern Euros except the French. However, you are totally correct regarding Iberians and Northern Italians.

Maybe.

EDIT: Wanda Ferro is from Calabria rather than Sicily, not that it matters much though.

I know, but at the same time, Levantines have far greater overlap with other MENA group than to Europeans generally. Now, i know that there is great difference between north and south europeans, and im not a fan when it comes to pan-europeanism. But what im saying is that southern europeans greatly overlap together than to MENA groups and etc, and europeans generally are genetically more closer together than to outsiders.

Tooting Carmen

03-06-2015, 04:44 PM

I know, but at the same time, Levantines have far greater overlap with other MENA group than to Europeans generally. Now, i know that there is great difference between north and south europeans, and im not a fan when it comes to pan-europeanism. But what im saying is that southern europeans greatly overlap together than to MENA groups and etc, and europeans generally are genetically more closer together than to outsiders.

To a large extent you are right, but do Europeans and Middle Easterners ALWAYS look so different? After all, do Turks look closer to Yemenis than to their Greek neighbours just for being Middle Eastern? Similarly, do Greeks look closer to Finns than to their Turkish neighbours just for being Europeans?

Sikeliot

03-06-2015, 04:49 PM

To a large extent you are right, but do Europeans and Middle Easterners ALWAYS look so different? After all, do Turks look closer to Yemenis than to their Greek neighbours just for being Middle Eastern? Similarly, do Greeks look closer to Finns than to their Turkish neighbours just for being Europeans?

Turks are not really the best example of Middle Eastern given all of their Balkan ancestry.

Anyway I generally agree that Southern Europeans overlap more with one another than to MENAs except I would say that there are examples where they are equidistant. I think Sicilians/Calabrese look as much like some West Asians as they would look Portuguese, and I think that the same is true of the Maltese. Also, I think Greeks look more like Turks than French, or equidistant.

However yes, as a rule you'd place Southern Europeans together, and MENAs together. But placing Armenians with Saudis also makes no sense either.

Kamal900

03-06-2015, 04:50 PM

To a large extent you are right, but do Europeans and Middle Easterners ALWAYS look so different? After all, do Turks look closer to Yemenis than to their Greek neighbours just for being Middle Eastern? Similarly, do Greeks look closer to Finns than to their Turkish neighbours just for being Europeans?

I'm not saying that there isnt any 100 percent overlap, but at the same time, there is a difference between the two continent when it comes to culture, genetics and etc. Like i said, i never claimed that all MENA or European groups look extremely similar to one another simply because they belong to same region. I mean, Bulgarians and Russians, despite both peoples are ethnically Slavic and europeans, look very different from one another when it comes to phenotype and culture. The same can be said about the Lebanese and Omanis. But at the same time, one shouldn't see peoples like the Lebanese and Italians as similar people simply because there are SOME overlap between them which many OWDers would use that to be accepted as Europeans.

StonyArabia

03-06-2015, 05:19 PM

So you are refuting what ARAB and MUSLIM geographers and historians said about Nabateans ...

Al Tabari was not an Arab but a Persian and many things he says are questionable and this why he was discarded. The Nabateans themselves traced to north central Arabia and had worshipped the same Gods and Goddesses . Though some Arab historians have often taken out of contest or mistranslated on purpose. Nabatean like I said began as a general description of Aramaic speakers, however the Nabateans were north Arabians and this what they saw themselves as and adopted the Aramaic language at the time, but they spoke Arabic and would later return to it. If you look at the Nabatean temples Arabic presence and names were often used. They also had complete different religion from the Aramaics as they were pagans and never really converted to Christianity. The Nabateans converted to Islam and today are the forefathers of Jordanians, Southeast Syrians, and western Iraqis who call themselves Bedouins and have intermingled with south Arabian tribes like the Mineans this where the name of the city Ma'an came from. As a person with maternal roots form Northern Arabia, Jordan, as well western Iraq the Nabateans are of my ancestors, but there is also South Arabian blood due to my mom's tribe originating in what is now Yemen before they migrated to the area they called Jebal Shammar.

Baalbek did not have Arab presence before Islam.

It did mostly due to interaction with Petra and Hatra some even say they formed a chain.