Who likesRomas the most in europe and who hates them the most?

[Mortimer]

I know they are not well seen really anywhere but maybe somewhere more or less hated then somewhere else. My bet is they are quiete well off in serbia. I guess in Kosovo and Romania/Bulgaria they are at the worst. In Kosovo they were driven out by the Nationalists together with serbs and in Bulgaria/Romania they face burnings of their homes by Football Hooligans. In Western Europe the worst is probably Italy. But like i said they are not well seen anywhere just more or less.

Any opinions

[Hadouken]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

[Shah-Jehan]

I think Balkan people hate them the most while the British Romas aren't noticeable and therefore not hated.

[Mortimer]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

in serbia they are quiete well off, everyone gets social welfare, they seek assylym somwhere else like germany then come back and collected social welfare while they were gone, they have lots of fiancial support when they want to study, basically they are better off then many serbs. people also marry them and are friends with them, well depends on the village and city etc. but in my family there are alot of cases and my neighbours in serbia were cool.

[Mortimer]

I think Balkan people hate them the most while the British Romas aren't noticeable and therefore not hated.

the british roma yes but not bulgarian roma or romanian roma in britain. but im not sure. i still think its italy in western europe where they are worst because eventhough hated they dont face violence in britain but in italy they do, italians hooligans set them on fire. and they wanted to segregate them in buses etc. that roma can only drive in certain buses and not with majority.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Swedes like them the most obviously, because they don't see anything in generalization or ethnicity, which is naivety. Hungarians probably are the most anti-Roma.

[Dylan]

in serbia they are quiete well off, everyone gets social welfare, they seek assylym somwhere else like germany then come back and collected social welfare while they were gone, they have lots of fiancial support when they want to study, basically they are better off then many serbs. people also marry them and are friends with them, well depends on the village and city etc. but in my family there are alot of cases and my neighbours in serbia were cool.

I'm surprised by a lot of this, glad to hear that Roma receive some support and aren't too overly stigmatized in Serbia :)

[Empecinado]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

They are hated by most of population, even Liberals dislike them.

I opened a thread about a village who rioted against Gypsies past year:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132396-Villagers-revolt-against-Gypsies-in-Spain

[wvwvw]

There are not hated in Greece, from my own experience at least. I've only heard people joking about them or say they are jealous of the "carefree" lifestyle of gypsies, who have many children not caring if they can support them, not caring what tomorrow will bring etc. But I've never heard anyone say hateful things..they're seen mostly as a joke. :D

[Ali Pasha]

Gypsies refuse to be part of any functional society, they only use prejudice as an excuse not to work. They force their children to beg, they all are liars, thieves and murderers. I take no pity on them. All Europeans hate them the same.

[Godrigo]

Italy is most racist country against Roma, while Spain is the least.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/PG-2014-05-12-EU-0-09.png

[Nurzat]

there are no Romas, they are Gypsy. I think they are OK everywhere, no one lynches any Gypsy in Europe and most of them get welfare and people avoid them because they consider them violent and dangerous. so no actual problems for Gypsies in Europe. they face unemployment, but it's not because of ethnicity, it's because of lack of skill. those of them who are skilled get a job. also, Westerners don't discriminate Gypsies more than they discriminate Balkanites. all Romanians and Bulgarians and even Yugos are considered Gypsy or Gypsy-like in some Western countries because of the ignorance of the Westerners so real Gypsies are not treated worse

[wvwvw]

Italy is most racist country against Roma, while Spain is the least.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/PG-2014-05-12-EU-0-09.png

I don't trust Pew Research Center at all, often it does not reflect reality at all.

[wvwvw]

Btw, Italy as well as Greece have become more towards gypsies since hordes of Bulgarian and Romanian gypsies started coming to their countries, stealing, littering and creating problems. I doubt Italy was racist towards gypsies before that. Even the Greek gypsies are hostile towards those newly arrived Bulgarian and Romanian gupsies.

[revealman]

in slovakia and czech republic people cant stand them not because of their skin colour or phenotype but because they always behave in an asocial manner. they steal, pollute and are impulsive..

a slovakian man/woman earns 400 euroes by hard work and a gypsy family with kids gets 700 from social wellfare department.. how can they be liked? any resonable explanation? do you think its discrimination to hate them under such circumstances?

hungarian talkshow exposes their "manners", fighting over a cable tv..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwjfi_9fb9Q

in slovakia we gave them a whole house block, they sold the windows, furniture, plumbing, doors and now live there in blank building, does it explain their mentality well enough?

they brought indian slum culture with them to europe as they migrated to europe from india!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4SvAvYNYI

[Empecinado]

in slovakia we gave them a whole house block, they sold the windows, furniture, plumbing, doors and now live there in blank building, does it explain their mentality well enough?


LOL they do the same here. And what about living with the donkey in the flat? xD

http://oi52.tinypic.com/op5u86.jpg

http://gestioncultura.cervantes.es/COMUNES/6051_I_V_PoligonoSur.jpg

[revealman]

dont think only europeans dislike them, in czech republic durign communism lot of vitnamese workers settled down, they are mostly very friendly with good manners and hardworking and now even the vietnamese have enough from gypsies..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXPgRDRd7aQ

[Gabi]

dont think only europeans dislike them, in czech republic durign communism lot of vitnamese workers settled down, they are mostly very friendly with good manners and hardworking and now even the vietnamese have enough from gypsies..

Same things happens in Romania almost every day. An example of a video with a Romanian woman who was disturbed by some Gypsies in a Transylvanian train without any reason. Totally nice from them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9CCaclbL9I

[MsSPF]

French hate them too, they are very racist against them

[abcd123]

dont think only europeans dislike them, in czech republic durign communism lot of vitnamese workers settled down, they are mostly very friendly with good manners and hardworking and now even the vietnamese have enough from gypsies..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXPgRDRd7aQ

Fucking scum of the earth.We wouldn't even kept them as cottonpicker slaves,we would've shot 'em over here.

[Stimpy]

Swedes like them the most obviously, because they don't see anything in generalization or ethnicity, which is naivety. Hungarians probably are the most anti-Roma.

Romas definitely aren't well liked in Sweden since the arrival of lots of beggars like 2 years ago. Also, you need to learn to distinguish the absurd PC-elite in Sweden from the general population.

[revealman]

gypsy family attacks slovak teenagers who were grilling in a park, beating them with sticks and stealing their meat and drinks + damaging their car


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y290hcC6Uzs

[revealman]

slovak hero who knocks out two gypsies who attacked his girlfriend in a park!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSqxPk1nPk

[Gabi]

Meanwhile in a school, a Gypsy woman working as a teacher in the village of Sânpaul, Mureș, located in a region of Transylvania, Romania, was blamed of abusing her classroom children, therefore the police was sent to investigate the situation. But amazingly one of the Romanian cops in charge with the case was abused by the acussed woman who slapped him with a backhanded stroke. The police officer was astonished and embarrased and a few seconds later he returned the "favour" with a very fast open hand slap to woman's face. Now it starts the beauty of this "rare" event. The Gypsy female pretended to cry for sympathy, condolence, mercy, whatever... but moments later she wanted to hit the cop again, instead she restrained her action due to the man's vigilence who lifted his hand again. The Gypsy teacher is known to be extremely violent and so far she terrorized the other teachers, the parents of the school children and the children themselves. On the other hand, the aggressive teacher claims that she feels discriminated because of being Gypsy but the video images show a totally different happening.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VafStnXqGc

[Cristiano viejo]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

What nonsense, in Spain EVERYBODY hate Gypsies. I had a neighboor who was ultra-lefty antiracist, he even has a Romanian domestic servant, we always discussed about politics, he hated Franco and Falangists etc... and he hated Gypsies strongly.
I called him nonsense hypocritical.

In the other hand when I was in Romania, I saw A LOT OF Gypsies working in shops, flea markets and bars, something absolutely impossible to see here in Spain.

[revealman]

What nonsense, in Spain EVERYBODY hate Gypsies. I had a neighboor who was ultra-lefty antiracist, he even has a Romanian domestic servant, we always discussed about politics, he hated Franco and Falangists etc... and he hated Gypsies strongly.
I called him nonsense hypocritical.

In the other hand when I was in Romania, I saw A LOT OF Gypsies working in shops, flea markets and bars, something absolutely impossible to see here in Spain.
in czech republic there is a famour antiracist leftist populist and newspaper collumnist who always preaches antiracism and multiculturalism and love for gypsies.. you know finally he got his lesson because suddenly a gypsy family moved in to the house where he has his apartment and started to terrorise the whole house including him, now he changed his mind suddenly.. :D

i always said the leftists love everybody(because they live in safety away from them) until they are confronted with reality(when they must deal with them on their own)...

[XenophobicPrussian]

in slovakia and czech republic people cant stand them not because of their skin colour or phenotype but because they always behave in an asocial manner. they steal, pollute and are impulsive..

a slovakian man/woman earns 400 euroes by hard work and a gypsy family with kids gets 700 from social wellfare department.. how can they be liked? any resonable explanation? do you think its discrimination to hate them under such circumstances?

hungarian talkshow exposes their "manners", fighting over a cable tv..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwjfi_9fb9Q

in slovakia we gave them a whole house block, they sold the windows, furniture, plumbing, doors and now live there in blank building, does it explain their mentality well enough?

they brought indian slum culture with them to europe as they migrated to europe from india!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4SvAvYNYI
LOL you hate Gypsies but love black people. You are a mad man.

[XenophobicPrussian]

in czech republic there is a famour antiracist leftist populist and newspaper collumnist who always preaches antiracism and muslticulturalism and love for gypsies.. you know finally he got his lesson because suddenly a gypsy family moved in to the house where he has his apartment and started to terrorise the whole house including him, now he changed his mind suddenly.. :D

i always said the leftists love everybody(because they live in safety away from them) until they are confronted with reality(when they must deal with them on their own)...
This is the only sane post you have on this forum.

[abcd123]

What nonsense, in Spain EVERYBODY hate Gypsies. I had a neighboor who was ultra-lefty antiracist, he even has a Romanian domestic servant, we always discussed about politics, he hated Franco and Falangists etc... and he hated Gypsies strongly.
I called him nonsense hypocritical.

In the other hand when I was in Romania, I saw A LOT OF Gypsies working in shops, flea markets and bars, something absolutely impossible to see here in Spain.

Good thing you isolate them there.They need to be shipped back to India.

[revealman]

gypsy taxi driver cuts man on the road and then attacks this man who has a pregnant wife in his car!
the man only defended his wife and the gypsy taxi driver did not expect the man to have a sword in his car(he plays a knight in theater)
:rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBnQVHhXMo

[SKYNET]

gypsy family attacks slovak teenagers who were grilling in a park, beating them with sticks and stealing their meat and drinks + damaging their car


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y290hcC6Uzs






it makes me so angry :mad: burn these subhumans with fire

[XenophobicPrussian]

Romas definitely aren't well liked in Sweden since the arrival of lots of beggars like 2 years ago. Also, you need to learn to distinguish the absurd PC-elite in Sweden from the general population.
Regardless, Swedes have the most positive opinions about immigration in Europe via polls. If they have the most positive opinions about Arab/black immigrants, they have the most positive opinions about Roma.

[revealman]

LOL you hate Gypsies but love black people. You are a mad man.
you dont understand my point about blacks, the point is they in contrast to gypsies had a high civilisation in the past and i am not an eurocentric who denies them their history! thats my point! if blacks were so dumb how come the built egypt and how come nigerian students in america have a GPA of 5.0!?! how come dark skinned people such as mayans, olmecs, vedic indians, aztecs, ethiopians etc cetera had higher culture, arts, maths and architecture when northern europe was primitive viking? do you have an answer for this? comparing blacks to gyspies is BS, what do you expect from american blacks who were denied education and were opressed for hundreds of years, to suddenly become harvard professors? it has nothing to do with their IQ, they proved many times they can have excellent grades if allowed to study, its more about their low self esteem after generations of slavery + growing up in poverty.. yes many ghetto black behave very impulsive and primitive but i think most blacks in the us are normal citizens, they are not behaving like gypsies..

all else is your subjective false interpretation..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xOWebVYvw

[XenophobicPrussian]

you dont understand my point about blacks, the point is they in contrast to gypsies had a high civilisation in the past and i am not an eurocentric who denies them their history! thats my point

all esle is your subjective false interpretation..
Blacks have no history with civilization. Those were brown/semetic civilizations, stop looking at one source, Jesus.

[Antimage]

you dont understand my point about blacks, the point is they in contrast to gypsies had a high civilisation in the past and i am not an eurocentric who denies them their history! thats my point! if blacks were so dumb how come the built egypt and how come nigerian students in america have a GPA of 5.0!?! how come dark skinned people such as mayans, olmecs, vedic indians, aztecs, ethiopians etc cetera had higher culture, arts, maths and architecture when northern europe was primitive viking? do you have an answer for this? comparing blacks to gyspies is BS, what do you expect from american blacks who were denied education and were opressed for hundreds of years, to suddenly become harvard professors? it has nothing to do with their IQ, they proved many times they can have excellent grades if allowed to study, its more about their low self esteem after generations of slavery + growing up in poverty..

all else is your subjective false interpretation..

gypsies have indian origins so they did have great civilization.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Anyone even remotely familiar with Spaniards knows gypsies are very much disliked. Even my grandmother - who is the sweetest woman anyone could meet - doesn't like them. It has less to do with racism and much more to do with their behavior.
Same here, my grandmother on my east German side was a highschool(or Gymnasium, however the German version is called) principal, so she was obviously an intelligent woman, and one of the sweetest, most loving/caring woman I've known. I'm not sure how she votes or her political idealogy but if I had to guess it'd be left like my parents. She really had a thing against Gypsies. I would visit family in Germany during summers as a kid and she'd tell me to stay away from them. That tells me a lot.

I've seen a documentary on Roma in Germany and the housing the government gives them is left in ruin, you can see trash all over the place. They have no idea what waste disposal is.

Also, it is racism, judging people by race/ethnicity is racism. There's nothing wrong with it though. Honestly, I can understand the non-racialist people being fooled by the few good Middle-Eastern people and Hispanics, but anyone who has lived around a significant amount of Roma or black people and still believed in the all humans are equal bullshit is a mad man to me.

[revealman]

Blacks have no history with civilization. Those were brown/semetic civilizations, stop looking at one source, Jesus.
thats a lie and you know it!

by the way germanic and scandinavian northerners had no higher civilisation ever, they got alphabet, philosophy and architecture from grecoromans!! do you want to deny this historical fact?

in contrast egyptians, ethiopians and nubians were clearly blacks who built pyramids and had mathematical and spiritual know how! mayans, aztecs, vedic indians, and olmecs were clearly dark skinned not semites!

show me one pyramid or higher architecture arts, mathematics, alchemy or alphabet created by northern europeans before they adopted grecoroman knowledge!

i am waiting for it with much curiosity!

you can expect a good opponent in me, i have been right wing for years(going to concerts and demos), so i know both sides of history! i can filter out eurcentric BS and also afrocentric BS

[revealman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPRCvPlJag

[alnortedelsur]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

LOL, that's like saying that Hitler liked the Jews.

[Gabi]

Why do people use the word Roma instead of Gypsy?

To be mistaken much easier with Romanian people by thinking it's really funny. Wait, we already are, thanks again to the worldwide mass-media... :violin:

[revealman]

XenophobicPrussian

Blacks have no history with civilization.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42766000/jpg/_42766141_charlier_ap203.jpg

French scientist Philippe Charlier admitted that Egyptians were black

In french
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcR2-Yrauo

"c'est un homme à peau noire"
"les égyptiens avaient une peau noire dans l'antiquité"

"The Egyptians had black skin in antiquity"

http://wfcycq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAmNyEDs9z2ipNkWe4fSyo49IagqPfp0T4MF7rHoiZmYkqab dDDp4AxL0b3PrvBzWWWoI8wyXe8Rrb5-yWqvxTmJyX1198JIz/onthenile.jpg?psid=1
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/1968317445_f2dffd0a7f_z.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/688123944_b7b25b0ecc.jpg
http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/350/222141773.jpg

[Ylla]

In Kosovo they are not hated the most. In fact some follow mainstream culture but they never assimilate with the locals. Most of us are indifferent towards them but their lifestyle isnt viewed in a positive light (rootless, unestablished, having children for financial aid, bringing children only to beg). We dont have that many roma here. They are concentrated in Romania, Serbia, Hungary.
In western countries they have a romanticized repuation. Guitars, musicals, caravans. But in eastern europe they are viewed differently im not sure why.

[alnortedelsur]

Italy is most racist country against Roma, while Spain is the least.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/PG-2014-05-12-EU-0-09.png

What an idiotic comment. Ethnic Spaniards and gypsies are incompatible like oil and water. Spaniards cannot stand gypsies at all. They are so disliked that when they are seen by Spaniards on the same sidewalk walking towards them , Spaniards cross the street to the other sidewalk, just in case they won't ask them for money.

And then, you have to read moronic comments about Spaniards being very friendly with them, and interacting with them like if they were the same people. :picard1:

These people that make these ignorant comments, must think that Spaniards happily hold hands with them, and are even admixed with them and everything, LOL. :lol:

[revealman]

gypsies have indian origins so they did have great civilization.
they were expelled from india cause they were of the lower castes of untouchables..

[Cristiano viejo]

Good thing you isolate them there.They need to be shipped back to India.
Here in Spain, Gypsies live in their own neighboorhoods in the city outskirts. Most of them live in Andalusia and they are zero integrated in the society. A very few of them became famous being singers of Flamenco and such


Anyone even remotely familiar with Spaniards knows gypsies are very much disliked. Even my grandmother - who is the sweetest woman anyone could meet - doesn't like them. It has less to do with racism and much more to do with their behavior.
Indeed. When I was a child Gypsies stole my moneyzz two times and I have seen them several times doing very ugly things, how expecting that the society accepts them? it is impossible.

[Insuperable]

Hungarians, Romanians, Balkan people, obviously hate them the most.

[Argentano]

in serbia they are quiete well off, everyone gets social welfare, they seek assylym somwhere else like germany then come back and collected social welfare while they were gone, they have lots of fiancial support when they want to study, basically they are better off then many serbs. people also marry them and are friends with them, well depends on the village and city etc. but in my family there are alot of cases and my neighbours in serbia were cool.

everyone? they cant work?

[Mortimer]

everyone? they cant work?

not everyone but many. i didnt said its a good thing just that they are not that much persecuted.

[wvwvw]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42766000/jpg/_42766141_charlier_ap203.jpg

French scientist Philippe Charlier admitted that Egyptians were black

In french
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcR2-Yrauo

"c'est un homme à peau noire"
"les égyptiens avaient une peau noire dans l'antiquité"

"The Egyptians had black skin in antiquity"

http://wfcycq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pAmNyEDs9z2ipNkWe4fSyo49IagqPfp0T4MF7rHoiZmYkqab dDDp4AxL0b3PrvBzWWWoI8wyXe8Rrb5-yWqvxTmJyX1198JIz/onthenile.jpg?psid=1

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/1968317445_f2dffd0a7f_z.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/688123944_b7b25b0ecc.jpg
http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/350/222141773.jpg

Says the guy who made similar claims about Ancient Greeks ;)

http://i57.tinypic.com/4j5agl.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/2gsprtg.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cacZuVcSan8/VX2cNHM4FRI/AAAAAAAADVo/Mg2txehQYJ4/s1600/ac3.jpe

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4WHd7GYHzQw/VX2cMGd0CHI/AAAAAAAADVQ/xid3r2yoj1k/s1600/ac12.jpe

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X1X8UiMRH4Q/VU9MksYT3_I/AAAAAAAAC_o/MDy26L9y_0U/s1600/athena_lemnia.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8bFupAblaak/VU9M5MbKOPI/AAAAAAAAC_4/nDMgy7TZ0j8/s1600/head-of-hygeia-greek-goddess-of-health-marble-c-350-bc-classical-greek.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lqji63Cx6I8/VU9M6pG8cjI/AAAAAAAADAA/ztLCjWRN2As/s1600/hera.jpg

[Mortimer]

Says the guy who made similar claims about Ancient Greeks ;)

http://i57.tinypic.com/4j5agl.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/2gsprtg.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cacZuVcSan8/VX2cNHM4FRI/AAAAAAAADVo/Mg2txehQYJ4/s1600/ac3.jpe

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4WHd7GYHzQw/VX2cMGd0CHI/AAAAAAAADVQ/xid3r2yoj1k/s1600/ac12.jpe

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X1X8UiMRH4Q/VU9MksYT3_I/AAAAAAAAC_o/MDy26L9y_0U/s1600/athena_lemnia.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8bFupAblaak/VU9M5MbKOPI/AAAAAAAAC_4/nDMgy7TZ0j8/s1600/head-of-hygeia-greek-goddess-of-health-marble-c-350-bc-classical-greek.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lqji63Cx6I8/VU9M6pG8cjI/AAAAAAAADAA/ztLCjWRN2As/s1600/hera.jpg

he is a slav but reads like a afrocentrist strange for a slav. whatever.

[Hadouken]

They are hated by most of population, even Liberals dislike them.

I opened a thread about a village who rioted against Gypsies past year:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?132396-Villagers-revolt-against-Gypsies-in-Spain

oh ok sorry I was probably thinking about Flamenco gitanos etc. lol :D

ok I take it back :)

[revealman]

even the european haplogroup R originates in africa, all haplogroups and phenotypes originate in africa, africa has the richest diversity of phenotypes on earth! oldest human remains are found there..

dont get fooled by his lips because melanin makes lips fuller and the hair kinky while lack of melanin makes lips thin and hair straight..

http://s15.postimg.org/hvkms4taj/r1b_africa2.jpg

[wvwvw]

Gypsies, immigrants, refugees...they're all ok, the problem is when their number is increasing rapidly and the native population is dwidling.

[revealman]

Says the guy who made similar claims about Ancient Greeks ;)


says a renown french scientist!

and the wall paintings, busts, statues and tombs and dna tests!

how about some real greek statues/artifacts? not the fake ones..

http://solvinglight.com/features/37NoahsPartI.htm

ps. i never said greeks were subsaharan blacks, i said they were brown skinned, not white! they most probably looked like ethiopians

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Chryselephantine_2.jpg

just as indians are browns skinned and not white! only whites in the world are anglosaxons, celts and slavs!

Additionally, previous data suggest that the S/Bantu haplotype (from Southern Africa) is heterogeneous at the molecular level. Recent studies also report a similar heterogenity for the Benin Haplogroup. A study demonstrated the presence of the A -499 TA variation in sickle cell anemia chromosomes of Sicilian and North African origin bearing the S/Benin haplotype (from Nigeria). Being absent from North American S/Benin chromosomes, which were studied previously, this variation is indicative for the molecular heterogeneity of the S/Benin haplotype. Am. J. Hematol. 80:79-80, 2005.

A study was done in Albania (which borders Greece) relating to sickle cell anemia, sickle cell beta-thalassemia, and thalassemia major in Albania. The focus of the study was the characterization of sickle cell mutations. As one would expect, it was shown that the HbS mutation in the Albanian sample is the Benin (Nigeria)-originating haplotype #19. See, Boletini E, Svobodova M, Divoky V, Baysal E, Dimovski AJ, Liang R, Adekile AD, Huisman TH.; Sickle cell anemia, sickle cell beta-thalassemia, and thalassemia major in Albania: characterization of mutations. : Hum Genet. 1994 Feb;93(2):182-7.

Y Haplogroup E-M78 a derivative of E3B is a signature African gene as confirmed in research studies over the last few years. The high frequency of this haplogroup in Greece suggests the presence of a substantive African population in that region during prehistoric and historical time periods.

A recent paper has detected clades of haplogroups J and E3b that were likely not part of pre-historic migrations into Europe, but rather spread by later historical movements. Greeks ….. [then there is] the marker J-M267, which may reflect more recent Middle Eastern admixture.�

(Semino et al., Am J Hum Genet, 2004) E3b originates from East Africa while there is a high frequency of J-M267 in the East Coast of Africa as well as the Red sea coast of Arabia.

A recent sampling of the Greek population comprised 36 Peloponnesian samples, 5 of which were J-M172(xM12) and 17 of which were E-M78 (R.K., unpublished data).

In spite of the small Peloponnesian sample size, the high E-M78 frequency (47%) observed here is consistent with that (44%) independently found in the same region (Di Giacomo et al. 2003) for the YAP chromosomes harboring microsatellite haplotypes A. (Novelletto, personal communication) (Cruciani et al. 2004).

The study by by Di Giacomo et al. found the following African haplogroups in Greeks: Haplogroup A which is highly specific to West Africa, R1a, DE, and J2*x(DYS413= 18)J*(xJ2). R1* which probably gave rise to R1a is found in Northern Cameroon. DE is found principally among Nigerians and it is suspected that it originated from Nigeria. J is very prominent in East, and North Africa.

[Graham]

Why do people use the word Roma instead of Gypsy?

In Britain & Ireland we already have indigenous Gypsies. So Roma is a word promoted more often in the anglosphere.

[alnortedelsur]

oh ok sorry I was probably thinking about Flamenco gitanos etc. lol :D

ok I take it back :)

Flamenco is NOT representative of the real Spanish culture. It is more linked to the gypsies, and many Spaniards are sick of being associated with gypsies and flamenco music.

Real Spanish music, folk dances and traditional clothes are more European than some people think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mqr8ZIWv8s

Different traditional outfits from different Spanish regions:

http://lagaceta.educarex.es/cont/imagenes/2013-02/ACTUALIDAD-2_Dia_de_Extremadura.JPG

http://www.trajetipico.com/uploads/trajes/51-trajes-tipicos-espana.jpg

http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04//g_vigoenfotos_7076d.jpg

http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2013-02/356046/3928800_640px.jpg?1361755021

http://www.trajetipico.com/uploads/trajes/253-trajes-tipicos-pais-vasco.jpg

https://marycarmenluna.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/traje-canario.jpg?w=950

http://t2.uccdn.com/images/5/4/5/img_como_es_el_traje_regional_de_las_islas_baleare s_6545_orig.jpg

http://www.visitemallorca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ball-de-bot.jpg

http://cloud1.todocoleccion.net/fot/2006/12/06/3928547.jpg

https://aprenderespanolenmadrid.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/madrilenos.jpg

Fuck with the gypsy/flamenco stereotype about Spain.

[wvwvw]

says a renown french scientist!

and the wall paintings, busts, statues and tombs and dna tests!

how about some real greek statues/artifacts? not the fake ones..

http://solvinglight.com/features/37NoahsPartI.htm

ps. i never said greeks were subsaharan blacks, i said they were brown skinned, not white! they most probably looked like ethiopians

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Chryselephantine_2.jpg

just as indians are browns skinned and not white! only whites in the world are anglosaxons, celts and slavs!

Additionally, previous data suggest that the S/Bantu haplotype (from Southern Africa) is heterogeneous at the molecular level. Recent studies also report a similar heterogenity for the Benin Haplogroup. A study demonstrated the presence of the A -499 TA variation in sickle cell anemia chromosomes of Sicilian and North African origin bearing the S/Benin haplotype (from Nigeria). Being absent from North American S/Benin chromosomes, which were studied previously, this variation is indicative for the molecular heterogeneity of the S/Benin haplotype. Am. J. Hematol. 80:79-80, 2005.

A study was done in Albania (which borders Greece) relating to sickle cell anemia, sickle cell beta-thalassemia, and thalassemia major in Albania. The focus of the study was the characterization of sickle cell mutations. As one would expect, it was shown that the HbS mutation in the Albanian sample is the Benin (Nigeria)-originating haplotype #19. See, Boletini E, Svobodova M, Divoky V, Baysal E, Dimovski AJ, Liang R, Adekile AD, Huisman TH.; Sickle cell anemia, sickle cell beta-thalassemia, and thalassemia major in Albania: characterization of mutations. : Hum Genet. 1994 Feb;93(2):182-7.

Y Haplogroup E-M78 a derivative of E3B is a signature African gene as confirmed in research studies over the last few years. The high frequency of this haplogroup in Greece suggests the presence of a substantive African population in that region during prehistoric and historical time periods.

A recent paper has detected clades of haplogroups J and E3b that were likely not part of pre-historic migrations into Europe, but rather spread by later historical movements. Greeks ….. [then there is] the marker J-M267, which may reflect more recent Middle Eastern admixture.�

(Semino et al., Am J Hum Genet, 2004) E3b originates from East Africa while there is a high frequency of J-M267 in the East Coast of Africa as well as the Red sea coast of Arabia.

A recent sampling of the Greek population comprised 36 Peloponnesian samples, 5 of which were J-M172(xM12) and 17 of which were E-M78 (R.K., unpublished data).

In spite of the small Peloponnesian sample size, the high E-M78 frequency (47%) observed here is consistent with that (44%) independently found in the same region (Di Giacomo et al. 2003) for the YAP chromosomes harboring microsatellite haplotypes A. (Novelletto, personal communication) (Cruciani et al. 2004).

The study by by Di Giacomo et al. found the following African haplogroups in Greeks: Haplogroup A which is highly specific to West Africa, R1a, DE, and J2*x(DYS413= 18)J*(xJ2). R1* which probably gave rise to R1a is found in Northern Cameroon. DE is found principally among Nigerians and it is suspected that it originated from Nigeria. J is very prominent in East, and North Africa.

So? R1b can reach 50% in many African tribes, that doesn't make Western Europe African.

The E-M78 clade was mutated some 18,000 years ago. E-V13 was mutated some 8/10,000 later in Balkans.

"E-V13 is approx 1% in North Africa. Apart from what is a real obvious fact that Greek settlements in Egypt are very well document from the classical era, so those meagre 1% cannot even be considered to be innate to the region and seems more like an import from the balkans rather then the other way round."

[Deneb]

Flamenco is NOT representative of the real Spanish culture. It is more linked to the gypsies, and many Spaniards are sick of being associated with gypsies and flamenco music.

Real Spanish music, folk dances and traditional clothes are more European than some people think.


Fuck with the gypsy/flamenco stereotype about Spain.

You're wrong. Most people, especially in Southern Spain, love gypsy music (songs and dances) and costumes. It's the most popular style, vastly more popular among Spaniards than another else regional music, in fact even some northern spanish singers, as Melendi, imitate that kind of music. I don't like it, but i'm not going to lie because of it. Altering facts doesn't work.

[Empecinado]

Flamenco is NOT representative of the real Spanish culture. It is more linked to the gypsies, and many Spaniards are sick of being associated with gypsies and flamenco music.



The Flamenco stereotype is fault of Franco's regime. They promoted it outside to make Spain look more exotic and then attract tourists from Northern Europe.

[Longbowman]

I think Balkan people hate them the most while the British Romas aren't noticeable and therefore not hated.

In the cities: no one even knows what a Gypsy is. They're referred to as Bulgarian/Romanian, depending on their country of origin.
In the country: significant levels of prejudice.

[Shah-Jehan]

In the cities: no one even knows what a Gypsy is. They're referred to as Bulgarian/Romanian, depending on their country of origin.
In the country: significant levels of prejudice.

True, but I really doubt gypsies originally from Britain like the Romanichals get discriminated.

[Longbowman]

In Britain & Ireland we already have indigenous Gypsies. So Roma is a word promoted more often in the anglosphere.

Those are travellers, mate. Gypsy comes from Egyptian and dates 500 years back, when the first Gypsies came over here and we called them Egyptian on account of how dark they were. See also: Balkan Egyptians. Roma is just seen as less pejorative, Gypsy is still only accurate when used with the Romani peoples.

The indigenous travelling community of the British Isles is not unique to us; they also exist in Germany and Scandinavia and probably elsewhere, too: these people are neither gypsies nor Romanis.

[Longbowman]

True, but I really doubt gypsies originally from Britain like the Romanichals get discriminated.

You'd be wrong; my mother is currently dealing with a discrimination case of a Gypsy family being denied service at a pub for being [noticeably] Gypsy. The Romanichal are well mixed with native Britons but do not originate here, in the cultural sense; rather they do descend, partially, from the same folk Stanley Reginald does. However, the discrimination is probably much less significant than anywhere else.

The Romanichal are the only ones in the countryside; recent immigrants sleep rough on the streets of London.

[Graham]

Those are travellers, mate. Gypsy comes from Egyptian and dates 500 years back, when the first Gypsies came over here and we called them Egyptian on account of how dark they were. See also: Balkan Egyptians. Roma is just seen as less pejorative, Gypsy is still only accurate when used with the Romani peoples.

The indigenous travelling community of the British Isles is not unique to us; they also exist in Germany and Scandinavia and probably elsewhere, too: these people are neither gypsies nor Romanis.

I know you're correct, but lazily people or even if you look at the census still call them all Gypsies, wrong or not. You have the Romichals separate from the tinkers or the fair people.

[Peter Nirsch]

Gypsies are tolerated only wherever they didn't arrived.

[Mortimer]

You'd be wrong; my mother is currently dealing with a discrimination case of a Gypsy family being denied service at a pub for being [noticeably] Gypsy. The Romanichal are well mixed with native Britons but do not originate here, in the cultural sense; rather they do descend, partially, from the same folk Stanley Reginald does. However, the discrimination is probably much less significant than anywhere else.

The Romanichal are the only ones in the countryside; recent immigrants sleep rough on the streets of London.

my sister got treated well in england in london she said its very diverse and lots of different races and lifestyles and that no one bothers you. but she didnt communicated her gypsy ancestry to others. and i guess london is more tolerant then the countryside. its also only 40% white

[Alessio]

This is pretty heavy stuff !

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/25/killed-police-wounded-french-gypsy-camp-shootout

[Longbowman]

my sister got treated well in england in london she said its very diverse and lots of different races and lifestyles and that no one bothers you. but she didnt communicated her gypsy ancestry to others. and i guess london is more tolerant then the countryside. its also only 40% white

London is 45% white British and 25% other white, it's far whiter than some (Leicester, Birmingham) British cities. The fact it is less white does not make it more tolerant.

It is unlikely people in London would be able to tell a Gypsy anyway.

[Mortimer]

London is 45% white British and 25% other white, it's far whiter than some (Leicester, Birmingham) British cities. The fact it is less white does not make it more tolerant.

It is unlikely people in London would be able to tell a Gypsy anyway.

so if they know im roma they will denie me service in a pub or restaurant?

[Anthropologique]

only a guess from my side maybe they would be least hated / most liked in spain

Believe me, Spaniards generally do not like gypsies.

[Mortimer]

London is 45% white British and 25% other white, it's far whiter than some (Leicester, Birmingham) British cities. The fact it is less white does not make it more tolerant.

It is unlikely people in London would be able to tell a Gypsy anyway.

if its more diverse its more tolerant because the 45% non-white are themselfes from diverse backgrounds not all the same, im sure

[kantez]

Spain and Rumania. Gypsy influence in rumanian and Spanish cultures is striking.

[Deneb]

Believe me, Spaniards generally do not like gypsies.

Even so, there are a lot of gypsies hugely popular and successful in Spain. Things are not ever white or black.

[Anthropologique]

Gypsies are considered the equivalent of a disease in certain countries.

[Longbowman]

if its more diverse its more tolerant because the 45% non-white are themselfes from diverse backgrounds not all the same, im sure

It's only about 40% non-white, and that's the city proper. If you include the metropolitan zone, which is mainly day workers in London, it's about 75% white. Most of the rest are South Asian or black.

[Mortimer]

It's only about 40% non-white, and that's the city proper. If you include the metropolitan zone, which is mainly day workers in London, it's about 75% white. Most of the rest are South Asian or black.

ok, but there are still people from all over the world there whites and non-whites i mean other whites like spanish or french and chinese and jews etc. im sure it has lots of jewish culture there too you live there too and diverse people

[Ivan Kramskoï]

other whites like chinese and jews
No all jews are white and no chinese is white.

[Mortimer]

No all jews are white and no chinese is white.

wrong written other whites and others. chinese are not white and ashkenazis are white but not ethiopian jews for example.

[Longbowman]

ok, but there are still people from all over the world there whites and non-whites i mean other whites like spanish or french and chinese and jews etc. im sure it has lots of jewish culture there too you live there too and diverse people

I don't currently live in London though I intend to move back there in October. Currently I still live in Venice though I am on a long holiday in northern England. I will go back to Venice during September and thereafter finish my residence there.

[Mortimer]

I don't currently live in London though I intend to move back there in October. Currently I still live in Venice though I am on a long holiday in northern England. I will go back to Venice during September and thereafter finish my residence there.

Do you hate Roma people Longbowman be honest, we would be still friends if you do

[Longbowman]

Do you hate Roma people Longbowman be honest, we would be still friends if you do

No of course not. I don't hate anything, hatred is weak, but even if I were to hate a group, why would I hate the Roma? I've never even met one.

[Mortimer]

No of course not. I don't hate anything, hatred is weak, but even if I were to hate a group, why would I hate the Roma? I've never even met one.

you lived in london and italy how did you never met a roma? maybe you didnt know it was a roma but its easy to spot them really, i was in Linz and on the train station i immediately spoted some romas, i guess in London at the train station you would for sure see some

[Longbowman]

you lived in london and italy how did you never met a roma? maybe you didnt know it was a roma but its easy to spot them really, i was in Linz and on the train station i immediately spoted some romas, i guess in London at the train station you would for sure see some

How many Roma do you think live in the UK? It's apparently only around 150,000. I never saw any in Venice to my knowledge. Also, seeing one doesn't count as meeting one.

[Mortimer]

How many Roma do you think live in the UK? It's apparently only around 150,000. I never saw any in Venice to my knowledge. Also, seeing one doesn't count as meeting one.

true seeing one doesnt count as meeting one, you are right but im sure you saw some. its impossible that you didnt. in the whole UK the percentage is probably small but in London you can see them if i see them in my town of 4000 inabitants and in Linz (200.000 inhabitants) you would for sure see them in London

[Graham]

Have seen a few in Glasgow being homeless. One came up and put a cup under my face whilst I was drinking in a beer garden, a couple of months back. Blatantly asking for money.

Apparently they are pissing off the local homeless lot.

First time anything like this experience.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I know they are not well seen really anywhere but maybe somewhere more or less hated then somewhere else. My bet is they are quiete well off in serbia. I guess in Kosovo and Romania/Bulgaria they are at the worst. In Kosovo they were driven out by the Nationalists together with serbs and in Bulgaria/Romania they face burnings of their homes by Football Hooligans. In Western Europe the worst is probably Italy. But like i said they are not well seen anywhere just more or less.

Any opinions

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/AS_Roma_logo_%282013%29.svg

[Mortimer]

Have seen a few in Glasgow being homeless. One came up and put a cup under my face whilst I was drinking in a beer garden, a couple of months back. Blatantly asking for money.

Apparently they are pissing off the local homeless lot.

First time anything like this experience.

here i see them sitting or kneeing on the street and asking for money. they are not aggressive though, they greet me friendly they say "good morning" and put out their hat if you give them something or not.

[Mortimer]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/AS_Roma_logo_%282013%29.svg

why do you post that?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

why do you post that?

I think romas should not run a discriminatory in Roma, Italy.

[Mortimer]

I think romas should not run a discriminatory in Roma, Italy.

dont understand that you mean because of the name? i think its clear what is meant, i think people who say "they are not roma they are gypsies" want to use that centuries of hate loaded word with negative associations to describe romany, im going to use still the word roma or romany

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

dont understand that you mean because of the name? i think its clear what is meant, i think people who say "they are not roma they are gypsies" want to use that centuries of hate loaded word with negative associations to describe romany, im going to use still the word roma or romany

Yeah, something like that.

And as people, I think would assimilated into Roma, as one Roma people. Roma or Romany and Roma Italianos.

[Mortimer]

Yeah, something like that.

And as people, I think would assimilated into Roma, as one Roma people. Roma or Romany and Roma Italianos.

lol, whatever maybe i was wrong about italy but someone posted this statistic and it said that in italy they are the most hated. but i guess they are hated everywhere

[Longbowman]

Yeah, something like that.

And as people, I think would assimilated into Roma, as one Roma people. Roma or Romany and Roma Italianos.

Why would you think that, because of the similarity of the words? :laugh: no, the Italians do not consider Gypsies to be part of the Italian people.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

lol, whatever maybe i was wrong about italy but someone posted this statistic and it said that in italy they are the most hated. but i guess they are hated everywhere

Lol, maybe or this hates there comes mainly from the pseudo nazis.

[Teja]

Stanley Reginald is a example of a decent Roma and I don't hate them in general. I do hate gypsies because of obvious reasons. And except for some liberal retards the rest of Germany thinks the same way imo.

[Petroskoijari]

Everyone hates gypsies here. They truly live up to their stereotype.