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decordoba
11-21-2016, 08:14 PM
Subnordid - Dinarid,
he looks Central European - minor Balkan
Subnordid - Dinarid,
he looks Central European - minor Balkan
Subnordid - Dinarid?
Is that final or anyone else want to try?
decordoba
11-22-2016, 10:35 AM
If I dont know that he is Croat, I guess him Central European and Subnordid.
But on photo 2 he looks minor Dinarid, I mean his nose. I never had been in Croatia, so I dont know the whole spectrum of Croats. Long time ago I worked together with Yugoslavians in any company, and no one looked like him.
If I dont know that he is Croat, I guess him Central European and Subnordid.
But on photo 2 he looks minor Dinarid, I mean his nose. I never had been in Croatia, so I dont know the whole spectrum of Croats. Long time ago I worked together with Yugoslavians in any company, and no one looked like him.
Ok, thanks for your input.
Karlangas
11-22-2016, 10:46 AM
Dinarid + Balkan Borreby.
So Dinarid + Sub Nordid or Borreby? I am not so sure about Borreby
The Blade
11-22-2016, 12:28 PM
Dinaro-Borreby, imo.
Any prediction on his haplogroup based on look ?
This guess is just for fun if you guys want to try..
Hadouken
11-22-2016, 12:55 PM
Dinarid + Balkan Borreby.
thats what I thought before reading the posts . I thought Balkan Borreby with Dinarid influence . but predominantly Balkan Borreby imo
Governor
11-22-2016, 12:56 PM
He looks Albanian.
He looks Albanian.
hmm i dont think so :D maybe he turns out to be Albanian lol
R1b ht-35, 0 Rh-
i guess that would be cool Ydna to have.
Governor
11-22-2016, 04:07 PM
I'm guessing he is R1b or J2b.
He just got his results, he is E-M35 (Y-DNA), Nevgen predicted him to be E1b1b, is that E-v13? he has some relatives on GD 1 that are E-v13 hmm interesting, one of my best IRL Croat friends : D
He just got his results, he is E-M35 (Y-DNA), Nevgen predicted him to be E1b1b, is that E-v13? he has some relatives on GD 1 that are E-v13 hmm interesting, one of my best IRL Croat friends : D
yh, its ev-13
yh, its ev-13
nice, so it cant be anything else? Anyways cool :D I somehow knew it lol... I suspected r1b or Ev13
nice, so it cant be anything else? Anyways cool :D I somehow knew it lol... I suspected r1b or Ev13
If he gets EV-13 matches then I doubt it's anything else. It's the most common E in Europe/Balkans AFAIK. How many markers did he test and where again?
If he gets EV-13 matches then I doubt it's anything else. It's the most common E in Europe/Balkans AFAIK. How many markers did he test and where again?
Y12 at ftdna, Trojet said he cant be 100% sure due to only 12 markers but most likely Ev13
His matches:
http://i.imgur.com/yhxReLU.jpg
Btw he is in Albanian Bloodlines project he joined for discount : D I guess he can stay now -.-
Y12 at ftdna, Trojet said he cant be 100% sure due to only 12 markers but most likely Ev13
His matches:
http://i.imgur.com/yhxReLU.jpg
Most likely EV-13. FTDNA didn't really show me my subcade either, it just said J-M12, I found out subclade through closest matches.
Most likely EV-13. FTDNA didn't really show me my subcade either, it just said J-M12, I found out subclade through closest matches.
yea, same to me.. J-m172
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 12:58 PM
Judging by Nevgen he is E-V13 but there is a very small chance of him being E-V22 apparently but E-V13 is most probable
Judging by Nevgen he is E-V13 but there is a very small chance of him being E-V22 apparently but E-V13 is most probable
Nevgen said 100% E1b1b, im not sure its all down to E-v13, could be M35 or E-M78
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:10 PM
Nevgen said 100% E1b1b, im not sure its all down to E-v13, could be M35 or E-M78
He is E1b1b as that includes E-V13, E-V22, E-V12 etc. But if you go to longer haplogroup it gives a bit more detail although most of it says "Unsupported sub-clade" as they don't go much into detail when it comes to haplogroup E but they do show that E-V13 is most likely and that E-V22 comes after it although I bet that he is E-V13 100%
IncelSlayer
04-18-2017, 01:16 PM
I am also albanian, Dema how do we get in contact for my free dna test?
He is E1b1b as that includes E-V13, E-V22, E-V12 etc. But if you go to longer haplogroup it gives a bit more detail although most of it says "Unsupported sub-clade" as they don't go much into detail when it comes to haplogroup E but they do show that E-V13 is most likely and that E-V22 comes after it although I bet that he is E-V13 100%
Thats what i said.. E1b1b does not mean all down to E-v13. I would say 99% E-v13 based on his matches and location.
See actally entire M215 is E1b1b
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/E1b1b-tree.png
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:19 PM
Thats what i said.. E1b1b does not mean all down to E-v13. I would say 99% E-v13 based on his matches and location.
See actally entire M215 is E1b1b
[MG]http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/E1b1b-tree.png[/IMG]
I bet that he is E-V13 as well
I am also albanian, Dema how do we get in contact for my free dna test?
He paid his test : ) Btw you are not tested ?
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:23 PM
Your friend has pretty weird markers tbh, they aren't all that similar to the rest but I would say that he is E-V13>CTS9320
IncelSlayer
04-18-2017, 01:25 PM
He paid his test : ) Btw you are not tested ?
No, I'm to afraid I'll get E or J.Some things are better left burried.
Your friend has pretty weird markers tbh, they aren't all that similar to the rest but I would say that he is E-V13>CTS9320
Not really, he at least got some matches and few of them tested down to E-v13, while for example Illyrian Warrior didnt get any matches meaning has even stranger markers.
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:31 PM
Not really, he at least got some matches and few of them tested down to E-v13, while for example Illyrian Warrior didnt get any matches meaning has even stranger markers.
I mean in our project
I mean in our project
Still... my answer still applies: he at least got some matches and few of them tested down to E-v13, while for example Illyrian Warrior didnt get any matches meaning has even stranger markers but still E-v13.
Try to understand : )
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:40 PM
Still... my answer still applies: he at least got some matches and few of them tested down to E-v13, while for example Illyrian Warrior didnt get any matches meaning has even stranger markers but still E-v13.
Try to understand : )
I do ma Nigga :D. Yh Illyrian warrior has some weird markers apparently he may be part of the Y3183 cluster of E-V13 that is a really rare cluster that is mainly found in the Balkans and some other European regions. Are you friends matches Albanians?
I do ma Nigga :D. Yh Illyrian warrior has some weird markers apparently he may be part of the Y3183 cluster of E-V13 that is a really rare cluster that is mainly found in the Balkans and some other European regions. Are you friends matches Albanians?
No, i didn't see Albanian. I seen like two or three South Slavs, 1 Scottish guy, one Dutch... something like that.
Seeing South Slavs in there makes me even more believe its E-v13.
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 01:49 PM
No, i didn't see Albanian. I seen like two or three South Slavs, 1 Scottish guy, one Dutch... something like that.
Seeing South Slavs in there makes me even more believe its E-v13.
Hmmm interesting. He is definitely E-V13 in my opinion
Hmmm interesting. He is definitely E-V13 in my opinion
IDK.... feels like he needs an upgrade just to confirm what we already know :))
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 02:05 PM
IDK.... feels like he needs an upgrade just to confirm what we already know :))
True, E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988 seems to be most common in Croatia especially the Northern part judging by the E-M35 project
True, E-V13>CTS9320>Z16988 seems to be most common in Croatia especially the Northern part judging by the E-M35 project
Not from North, i believe he is from very South paternally. Maybe Illyrian in disguise : )
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 02:37 PM
Not from North, i believe he is from very South paternally. Maybe Illyrian in disguise : )
Yh his Ydna shows this lol :)
Kelmendasi
04-18-2017, 02:42 PM
The south seems to be CTS9320 as well but not Z16988 but some other cluster called Z17107
I do ma Nigga :D. Yh Illyrian warrior has some weird markers apparently he may be part of the Y3183 cluster of E-V13 that is a really rare cluster that is mainly found in the Balkans and some other European regions. Are you friends matches Albanians?
We were talking more yesterday, he also seen this thread, anyways he is understanding things pretty fast and already comparing his markers with others. Also he let me know what i obviously missed, that his last match on list is Albanian.
A. M., looks like that guy has taken Y12 and then E-v13 snap pack which confirmed him as E-v13, is that correct?
Also he is from South Albania, Gjirokastra region. I wonder how many of these matches will remain after Y37 upgrade
No, i didn't see Albanian. I seen like two or three South Slavs, 1 Scottish guy, one Dutch... something like that.
Seeing South Slavs in there makes me even more believe its E-v13.
Serbs, Demovich.
Skerdilaid
04-20-2017, 03:46 PM
Does he have the lips, Dema? ;)
Btw, matches on Y12 are irrelevant. He should upgrade to 37.
Shah-Jehan
04-20-2017, 03:50 PM
He looks very very pale white to me.
Kelmendasi
04-20-2017, 03:56 PM
We were talking more yesterday, he also seen this thread, anyways he is understanding things pretty fast and already comparing his markers with others. Also he let me know what i obviously missed, that his last match on list is Albanian.
A. M., looks like that guy has taken Y12 and then E-v13 snap pack which confirmed him as E-v13, is that correct?
Also he is from South Albania, Gjirokastra region. I wonder how many of these matches will remain after Y37 upgrade
Yh SNP pack will confirm if he is E-V13
Serbs, Demovich.
Actually its only 2 South Slavs there, and one of them is for sure Serb. I am not sure about the other one.
Regarding my paternal line surname its Dema and it was always like that. Also we have I. Dema from Albania also tested J2b1.
Dema is somewhat spread name among Albanians and you can see under people there is actually one Albo guy Dema:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dema
ić suffix is added by Slavs. And its none existent in my case. Also keep the trolling off this thread.
Does he have the lips, Dema? ;)
Btw, matches on Y12 are irrelevant. He should upgrade to 37.
We know that... Still we have some material for playing around, i mean we are trying to find out as much as we can with this info... When taking all in consideration its like 99% E-v13, but he will most likely upgrade..
Yes if you ask me, he kinda has the lips and eyes.
Yh SNP pack will confirm if he is E-V13
ITs not what i asked, but nvm i actually didnt ask anything, i was just talking to myself and confirming some stuff.
No, we will not take snap pack but most likely Y37 upgrade. I am considering to upgrade my Ydna to Y67 also, and i will do it soon to be honest.
Regarding him we were thinking about Yseq it actually costs less for entire new testing 37 markers then only upgrade at FTDNA. But i think just pressing upgrade is boss mode and FTDNA is currently among strongest labs. Its good to be in their database and projects. Also he agrees.
Kelmendasi
04-20-2017, 04:44 PM
ITs not what i asked, but nvm i actually didnt ask anything, i was just talking to myself and confirming some stuff.
No, we will not take snap pack but most likely Y37 upgrade. I am considering to upgrade my Ydna to Y67 also, and i will do it soon to be honest.
Regarding him we were thinking about Yseq it actually costs less for entire new testing 37 markers then only upgrade at FTDNA. But i think just pressing upgrade is boss mode and FTDNA is currently among strongest labs. Its good to be in their database and projects. Also he agrees.
Tbh I think that Yseq is better as it is far cheaper but since he has already tested at Ftdna he might as well upgrade since he won't have to wait for a sample kit to come unlike Yseq, Yseq I think is about as good as Ftdna when it comes to Ydna testing but Ftdna does have a bigger Database I think
his matches on Y12 GD 0-1 so far,
Interesting.. In Balkan only one Albanian and one Montenegrin.
https://s17.postimg.org/6j7jf3un3/matches_EY12.jpg
his matches on Y12 GD 0-1 so far,
Interesting.. In Balkan only one Albanian and one Montenegrin.
https://s17.postimg.org/6j7jf3un3/matches_EY12.jpg
That is not a lot at all for 12 markers. If he did 25 or 37 markers then probably only 2-3 would show up.
That is not a lot at all for 12 markers. If he did 25 or 37 markers then probably only 2-3 would show up.
Yes, i think this is little matches for 12 markers. I agree maybe one or two from these will stay on 37 markers and they will be further away.
But perhaps new matches will shop up from FTDNA database, as far as i understood these are matches from projects he joined since he took only Y12 via project. Not sure tho.
his matches on Y12 GD 0-1 so far,
Interesting.. In Balkan only one Albanian and one Montenegrin.
https://s17.postimg.org/6j7jf3un3/matches_EY12.jpg
Those Balkan matches are probably his closest matches which is funny because you guys were saying theres no genetic connection between Albanians and Dalmatians /Herzegovinians and that no Albanians/ilyrians migrated from there. So my theory seems to be right as long as we get more samples.
When there is with vlachs there is with albs
Those non balkan matches are just distant bronze age matches most likely.
Your friend is no doubt a Slavicized Ilyrian paternally.
Albs have always been nomads so they might of migrated all the way south
Those Balkan matches are probably his closest matches which is funny because you guys were saying theres no genetic connection between Albanians and Dalmatians /Herzegovinians and that no Albanians/ilyrians migrated from there. So my theory seems to be right as long as we get more samples.
When there is with vlachs there is with albs
Those non balkan matches are just distant bronze age matches most likely.
Your friend is no doubt a Slavicized Ilyrian paternally.
Albs have always been nomads so they might of migrated all the way south
Omg are you really continuing that conversation here. We pointed out obvious difference of Bosnian Hercegovina and Dalmatia population when comparing with Albanian one.
Also we were talking about 15 century tribes, its said that tribes didnt come from Dalmatia nor Bosnia but they were regular population that lived under Balshas and Dukagjins until Ottoman broke them.
Illyrians for sure retreated from territory of Bosnia and Dalmatia towards the South where today is Albania. That is how historical documents recorded them. Also i have already written more about this where we touched that subject in Foleja.
Sadly genetics proven that it is not like we all assumed before regarding that.
I dont agree that Albos were Nomads, its almost genetically proven that Illyrians have conquered this territory and Albos since then have been proven to be worthy in combat and involved in many empires up to he highest positions.
There is some indigenous haplogroups in Dalmatia and Hercegovina but they are in vast minority.
For example Hercegovina is 70% I2a-din + 12% R1a, rest can go to J2, G, E, R1b, N, I1... Lack of G in Albanians could also give a hunch that Illyrians ethnically cleansed this territory after conquering it. Nomads you say?
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:01 AM
Omg are you really continuing that conversation here. We pointed out obvious difference of Bosnian Hercegovina and Dalmatia population when comparing with Albanian one.
Also we were talking about 15 century tribes, its said that tribes didnt come from Dalmatia nor Bosnia but they were regular population that lived under Balshas and Dukagjins until Ottoman broke them.
Illyrians for sure retreated from territory of Bosnia and Dalmatia towards the South where today is Albania. That is how historical documents recorded them. Also i have already written more about this where we touched that subject in Foleja.
Sadly genetics proven that it is not like we all assumed before regarding that.
I dont agree that Albos were Nomads, its almost genetically proven that Illyrians have conquered this territory and Albos since then have been proven to be worthy in combat and involved in many empires up to he highest positions.
There is some indigenous haplogroups in Dalmatia and Hercegovina but they are in vast minority.
For example Hercegovina is 70% I2a-din + 12% R1a, rest can go to J2, G, E, R1b, N, I1... Lack of G in Albanians could also give a hunch that Illyrians ethnically cleansed this territory after conquering it. Nomads you say?
highlighted parts are retarded
highlighted parts are retarded
Mind to explain?
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:11 AM
Mind to explain?
man, why would illyrians retreat from bosnia? they most likely stayed there and fought for their lands, though eventually they must have gotten slavicised
man, why would illyrians retreat from bosnia? they most likely stayed there and fought for their lands, though eventually they must have gotten slavicised
You mean Romanized :lol: Illyrians were long gone by the time Slavs showed up.
Omg are you really continuing that conversation here. We pointed out obvious difference of Bosnian Hercegovina and Dalmatia population when comparing with Albanian one.
Also we were talking about 15 century tribes, its said that tribes didnt come from Dalmatia nor Bosnia but they were regular population that lived under Balshas and Dukagjins until Ottoman broke them.
Illyrians for sure retreated from territory of Bosnia and Dalmatia towards the South where today is Albania. That is how historical documents recorded them. Also i have already written more about this where we touched that subject in Foleja.
Sadly genetics proven that it is not like we all assumed before regarding that.
I dont agree that Albos were Nomads, its almost genetically proven that Illyrians have conquered this territory and Albos since then have been proven to be worthy in combat and involved in many empires up to he highest positions.
There is some indigenous haplogroups in Dalmatia and Hercegovina but they are in vast minority.
For example Hercegovina is 70% I2a-din + 12% R1a, rest can go to J2, G, E, R1b, N, I1... Lack of G in Albanians could also give a hunch that Illyrians ethnically cleansed this territory after conquering it. Nomads you say?
You didnt really point out anything . Youre just repeating the same things im saying.
Yes, hercegovinians and dalmatians are mostly i2a and r1a but that doesnt mean there are no other hg's connected to Albanians lol. Its just not enough samples. Your friend is obv related to an Albanian.
None said those tribes came from northern regions but that their founders did. They for sure did not always live in malsia, prior to slavis migrating and collapse of roman empire who the fk knows where they came from. To assume everyone always lived in malsi? Many historians and anthropologists rather mention malsi as a refugee place, meaning many thracians/ilyrians retreated into malsi when slavs and avars pillaged the balkans.
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:26 AM
You mean Romanized :lol: Illyrians were long gone by the time Slavs showed up.
judging by haplogroups roman incels got cucked by slavs and illyrians
judging by haplogroups roman incels got cucked by slavs and illyrians
and what are the roman haplogroup's?
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:31 AM
and what are the roman haplogroup's?
R1b U152 , R1b U106, J2a, G
man, why would illyrians retreat from bosnia? they most likely stayed there and fought for their lands, though eventually they must have gotten slavicised
Man, its based on history. I got several bolks that mention this. The balkans was invaded by slavs and avars, they pillaged it. They took children and women as slaves. Many areas were depopulated. Some would of fought and some would of retreated south or into local mountains to maybe get children and women safe, this a fking no brainer dude. Also ilyrians/thracians most likely did not even have their own army due to roman occupation.
Dont deny history. Slavic occupation in the balkans wasnt thatpleasent as you believe. Youre just to biased in many of your opinions, Albs migrated from Romania as dacians but none could of come from more north ilyrian areas xD
As for Romanized, many tribes were bilingual they spoke albanian and latin.
I2a is slavic which is why some albs get such autosomal matches but less distributed within the albanian population . There was simply a contact with slavs later on.
Autosomally, Croats and Bosniaks are way too north to even be paleo balkan. Even Romanians are more south plotting, dude.
R1b U106
These guys keep claiming they're of a Germanic ydna though, more like celtic imo.
man, why would illyrians retreat from bosnia? they most likely stayed there and fought for their lands, though eventually they must have gotten slavicised
We have Byzantine documents from 6th century saying that Barbarians killed and exiled Illyrians. Even tho before we believed that Bosnian and Dalmatian Illyrians mostly assimilated into Slavs. Today Genetics denied that and confirmed Byzantine documents about genocide towards them.
Whatever haplogroup Illyrians or whoever lived for example in Hercegovina had, it was replaced by 82% R1a + I2a-din that was brought in Early Middle Ages over the Carpathian mountains.
You mean Romanized :lol: Illyrians were long gone by the time Slavs showed up.
Actually, Albanian is most likely a partially Romanized Ilyrian language which is why the language is connected to other Romanized people in the balkans.
Plenty of tribes that were bilingual spoke romanized or albanian. I got plenty of examples for you, the macura and related tribes are a good example of Albanian/Vlach relations xD even though they were germanic in origin, they came before slavs and were absorbed into a albanian/latin speaking population and then later slavs, again they moved around and ended up in bosnia which is why many balkanites have always been nomads
@Dema Albanians have been nomads, so have Vlachs and even south slavs. Meaning they didnt always live in one place but moved around and this is true.
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:43 AM
These guys keep claiming they're of a Germanic ydna though, more like celtic imo.
could be either. imo romans mixed with germanic tribes
could be either. imo romans mixed with germanic tribes
cool.
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:45 AM
cool.
we good then
I guess ilyrians stayed in bosnia etc but dacians/thracians decided to move into albania xD lol the biasedness of some people
Im not saying that every ilyrian moved from Dalmatia/Hercegovina/Dardania into montenegro/albania but im saying that some did. Some were romanized while others Albanian or Bilingual. Just like some Greeks migrated to america and some didnt.
Also the Albanian language was mentioned in dalmatia and romanized people were especially recorded in these areas, now lets be honest here Romanized people/Vlachs are obviously related to Albanians and im sure plenty of albanians were bilingual or spoke latin and plenty of these latin speakers fused into some Albanian speaking population/bilingual as they retreated
Voskos
04-21-2017, 02:49 AM
I guess ilyrians stayed in bosnia etc but dacians/thracians decided to move into albania xD lol the biasedness of some people
who said anything about dacians moving to albania?also illyrians were already in albania, they didnt have to move there from bosnia
Insuperable
04-21-2017, 12:19 PM
I guess ilyrians stayed in bosnia etc but dacians/thracians decided to move into albania xD lol the biasedness of some people
Im not saying that every ilyrian moved from Dalmatia/Hercegovina/Dardania into montenegro/albania but im saying that some did. Some were romanized while others Albanian or Bilingual. Just like some Greeks migrated to america and some didnt.
Also the Albanian language was mentioned in dalmatia and romanized people were especially recorded in these areas, now lets be honest here Romanized people/Vlachs are obviously related to Albanians and im sure plenty of albanians were bilingual or spoke latin and plenty of these latin speakers fused into some Albanian speaking population/bilingual as they retreated
Illyrian was an umbrella term invented by Greeks to describe various tribes north of them, only loosely connected. Romans who adopted it had a different view of territory they inhabited which they named Illyricum. Albanians are related to Illyrian tribe named Albanoi which was situated more or less on the area where Albanians/Kosovars are situated.
IncelSlayer
04-21-2017, 12:23 PM
Only for albanians, Illyrians/Dacians were swarthy people :))
Illyrian was an umbrella term invented by Greeks to describe various tribes north of them, only loosely connected. Romans who adopted it had a different view of territory they inhabited which they named Illyricum. Albanian are related to Illyrian tribe named Albanoi which was situated more or less on the area where Albanians/Kosovars are situated.
wrong,no proof of that,clearly stated on wikipedia also,albanians are first mentioned in 11th century which coincides with a migration from the Caucasus Albanians,pro-tip:their old lexicons have same amount of letters and share many letters .
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