Any Albanians/Greeks who can beat my North Sea score?

[Lek]

I still have to see an Albanian get more than me on this.

From Eurogenes k15 calc


North_Sea 19.07
2 East_Med 18.16
3 West_Med 17.25
4 Atlantic 14.7
5 Baltic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.81
8 Red_Sea 2.54
9 South_Asian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Southeast_Asian 0.05


It peaks in Scandinavians/NorthWest Europe

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SGQpYUKZMdk/U8ZouyT-VSI/AAAAAAAAA9A/pyPC4ghy5Eg/w350-h198-no/North_Sea_K15_small.png

[Wrong]

Prolly not on this forum :D

[Coolguy1]

Nah I get 13, but I am from the southernmost part of mainland Greece so thats expected

[Wrong]

Nah I get 13, but I am from the southernmost part of mainland Greece so thats expectedIt tends to vary with Atlantic. I have much higher Atlantic than North Sea.

[Scholarios]

Oh wait how do we do Eurogenes k15? on k13 I was 16.40 North Atlantic.

[Wrong]

Oh wait how do we do Eurogenes k15? on k13 I was 16.40 North Atlantic.It's the V2 K15 one.


<tbody>
North_Sea
13.00


Atlantic
18.39


Baltic
9.30


Eastern_Euro
6.57


West_Med
17.05


West_Asian
12.02


East_Med
20.88


Red_Sea
2.79

</tbody>

[Lek]

Oh wait how do we do Eurogenes k15? on k13 I was 16.40 North Atlantic.

Eurogenes v2 k15. 2nd option.

[Scholarios]

i see it now. i havent done these things in a few years.

not even close.
1 East_Med 24.48
2 West_Med 18.39
3 West_Asian 16.93
4 North_Sea 12.96
5 Atlantic 9.60
6 Baltic 6.92
7 Red_Sea 4.96
8 Eastern_Euro 4.83

[Lek]

i see it now. i havent done these things in a few years.

not even close.
1 East_Med 24.48
2 West_Med 18.39
3 West_Asian 16.93
4 North_Sea 12.96
5 Atlantic 9.60
6 Baltic 6.92
7 Red_Sea 4.96
8 Eastern_Euro 4.83

You seem very southern shifted. Whats your full ancestry.

[Nilotik]

Nope I can't beat your score but I noticed my Baltic is higher than yours and Xhak Bauër's.
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 18.33
2 East_Med 17.3
3 North_Sea 14.89
4 Baltic 14.4
5 Atlantic 13.89
6 West_Asian 12.86
7 Eastern_Euro 5.61
8 Red_Sea 1.52
9 Siberian 1.1
10 Amerindian 0.06
11 Oceanian 0.05

[Scholarios]

You seem very southern shifted. Whats your full ancestry.

Half Chios /Ikaria -Aegean islands

Half Peloponessian land-locked mountaineer .

Comes out 75% Sicilian and 25% Polish.

Or 1/3 Assyrian , 1/3 North Swedish , 1/3 Sardinian

Or central Greek + Greek Thessaly

Closest non- Greek matches by distance = Abruzzi, Sicilian , Ashkenazi

[Wrong]

Half Chios /Ikaria -Aegean islands

Half Peloponessian land-locked mountaineer .

Comes out 75% Sicilian and 25% Polish.

Or 1/3 Assyrian , 1/3 North Swedish , 1/3 Sardinian

Or central Greek + Greek Thessaly

Closest non- Greek matches by distance = Abruzzi, Sicilian , AshkenaziHope that does not attract Sikeliot inside this thread xD

[Wrong]

Nope I can't beat your score but I noticed my Baltic is higher than yours and Xhak Bauër's.
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 18.33
2 East_Med 17.3
3 North_Sea 14.89
4 Baltic 14.4
5 Atlantic 13.89
6 West_Asian 12.86
7 Eastern_Euro 5.61
8 Red_Sea 1.52
9 Siberian 1.1
10 Amerindian 0.06
11 Oceanian 0.05What is up with the sudden explosion of J2b2 Albanians since 2015?

We are many and we are awesome.

[Coolguy1]

What is up with the sudden explosion of J2b2 Albanians since 2015?

We are many and we are awesome.

Do you know which clade j2b2 Albanians belong to? I think j2b2 is around 5% in Greece but mostly of a different clade.

[Wrong]

Do you know which clade j2b2 Albanians belong to? I think j2b2 is around 5% in Greece but mostly of a different clade.No idea, but they are old as far as I've seen.
Tbh I am very ignorant about clades in general as I have not done ftdna myself, soon I will.

J2b2 itself peaks among Ghegs(especially the highlander Catholic tribes) and gets lower among Tosks who are higher I2a1b and R1a.

[Lek]

Do you know which clade j2b2 Albanians belong to? I think j2b2 is around 5% in Greece but mostly of a different clade.

Yeah, J-ph1751/l283 which i have and another one which i dont remember.

Its the most common hg in the Albanian bloodline project so far. 2nd is ev13.

[Lek]

Credits to deburgh II. Very accurate.

https://s1.postimg.org/ysjaemyfj/Untitled.jpg

[Coolguy1]

Credits to deburgh II

https://s1.postimg.org/ysjaemyfj/Untitled.jpg

Awesome

[Lek]

Same map full size.

https://s27.postimg.org/hiiyo1foj/K15_V44.jpg

[Queen B]

All of you have done the 23andme tests and put it to other calculators?

[Lek]

All of you have done the 23andme tests and put it to other calculators?

I have done ftdna autosomal and ydna 37.

[Lek]

Bump

[Ylla]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.71
2 West_Med 19.44
3 Atlantic 14.42
4 North_Sea 13.97
5 West_Asian 11.2
6 Baltic 9.2
7 Eastern_Euro 6.36
8 Red_Sea 1.71

[HellLander87]

nobody in the whole wide Albania scores 20% north sea.

[HellLander87]

Half Chios /Ikaria -Aegean islands

Half Peloponessian land-locked mountaineer .

Comes out 75% Sicilian and 25% Polish.

Or 1/3 Assyrian , 1/3 North Swedish , 1/3 Sardinian

Or central Greek + Greek Thessaly

Closest non- Greek matches by distance = Abruzzi, Sicilian , Ashkenazi
50% albanian. Is the name ilir still used at the peloponesian highlands?

[Laberia]

50% albanian. Is the name ilir still used at the peloponesian highlands?

It's still used the Illyrian name Maniates and Mani.

[Scholarios]

50% albanian. Is the name ilir still used at the peloponesian highlands?

Actually , I'm a little surprised how little that possibility is reflected in my results. But I'm not from Corinth. Anyways, your vag still hurt from being called Bulgar 4 years ago? Gotta let that shit go, man.

[Wrong]

Same map full size.

Ah awesome. Can you scale it up abit? Very blurry link.

[Wrong]

nobody in the whole wide Albania scores 20% north sea.Better than some "Hellander87" faggot with forged/edited/photoshopped results.

A "Hellander87" faggot who is obsessed with Albanians like Laberia is with Greeks, judging from all posting history.

[Wrong]

Credits to deburgh II. Very accurate.

https://s1.postimg.org/ysjaemyfj/Untitled.jpgOne tight cluster :D

[Pjeter Pan]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.89
2 Atlantic 17.7
3 West_Med 17.37
4 North_Sea 14.98
5 West_Asian 10.08
6 Baltic 9.56
7 Eastern_Euro. 7.63
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 South_Asian. 0.18
10 Oceanian 0.02

[Wrong]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.89
2 Atlantic 17.7
3 West_Med 17.37
4 North_Sea 14.98
5 West_Asian 10.08
6 Baltic 9.56
7 Eastern_Euro. 7.63
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 South_Asian. 0.18
10 Oceanian 0.02

That's a Dinarid to the right

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yto7qv.jpg

[Lek]

That's a Dinarid to the right

http://i64.tinypic.com/2yto7qv.jpg

Deburgh II added some more.

https://s12.postimg.org/ehoc1yn5p/Untitledddd4.jpg

[Lek]

nobody in the whole wide Albania scores 20% north sea.

It depends on the person. Normans settled in western Balkans. based on my autosomal matches, I know I have some Norman/Germanic ancestry. I just never payed much attention to these matches.

[HellLander87]

It depends on the person. Normans settled in western Balkans. based on my autosomal matches, I know I have some Norman/Germanic ancestry. I just never payed much attention to these matches.
you know shit really.Anyway what kind of mongrel are you?

[Lek]

you know shit really.Anyway what kind of mongrel are you?

Most Balkanites are mongrels if you go 1000+ years back. The Roman Empire had a genetic impact (merchants, slaves, soldiers, travelers etc), Goths, Normans, Slavs etc.

[Kelmendasi]

Most Balkanites are mongrels if you go 1000+ years back. The Roman Empire had a genetic impact (merchants, slaves, soldiers, travelers etc), Goths, Normans, Slavs etc.
Don't forget Varangian Viking/Norse mercenaries that were bought by the Byzantine empire, they probably did have an impact on us and other Balkanites

[catgeorge]

Don't forget Varangian Viking/Norse mercenaries that were bought by the Byzantine empire, they probably did have an impact on us and other Balkanites

I don't see that really 90% of you in Greece are short with weak beta body constitution.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't see that really 90% of you in Greece are short with weak beta body constitution.
From what I have seen Greeks are the same but still I can't judge a whole ethnic group based from a few people I have seen. If you really want to judge Albanians come to Albania or Kosova over there you will see how tall and alpha we are ;)

[Kelmendasi]

Also Norsemen were only about 5ft7 so not that tall

[Ujku]

Also Norsemen were only about 5ft7 so not that tall

Dude... no one knows how much that is..we use CM on this part of the world

[DRUM]

such med

1 East_Med 20.77
2 West_Med 17.9
3 Atlantic 16.94
4 West_Asian 12.42
5 North_Sea 10.58
6 Baltic 9.37
7 Eastern_Euro 7.58
8 Red_Sea 3.97
9 Amerindian 0.46

[Kelmendasi]

Dude... no one knows how much that is..we use CM on this part of the world
It's about 170-173cm

[Wrong]

you know shit really.Anyway what kind of mongrel are you?Jelly faggot? It's Gothic/Norman, no other input makes as much sense.

The only modern mongrels are Greekified SkljavoTurks of Northeastern Greece.

[Voskos]

typical hellander being racist. :D he thinks cretans and cypriots are gypsy niggers as well

[Wrong]

From what I have seen Greeks are the same but still I can't judge a whole ethnic group based from a few people I have seen. If you really want to judge Albanians come to Albania or Kosova over there you will see how tall and alpha we are ;)From what I've seen, the Albanians of TA are taller and better built in general than the Greeks here.

[Kelmendasi]

From what I've seen, the Albanians of TA are taller and better built in general than the Greeks here.
Exactly, but still they won't believe a thing as they don't accept the truth being that we are taller than them

[Kelmendasi]

It's funny how they call us Dinaric but still midgets although the two aren't compatible with each other

[Wrong]

Exactly, but still they won't believe a thing as they don't accept the truth being that we are taller than them
195cm+ giants from Kelmendi seem to be quite common from what I have noticed.

[Kelmendasi]

195cm+ giants from Kelmendi seem to be quite common from what I have noticed.
Yep, although you can find giants every where in Albania/Kosova be they in the south or the north :)

[Voskos]

You seem very southern shifted. Whats your full ancestry.

wrong; scholarios is just a bit caucasus-shifted due to ancient Carian ancestry from his Icarian side.

[HellLander87]

Jelly faggot? It's Gothic/Norman, no other input makes as much sense.

The only modern mongrels are Greekified SkljavoTurks of Northeastern Greece.

The only thing that makes sense is that you are a bunch of idiots

[Percivalle]

Credits to deburgh II. Very accurate.

https://s1.postimg.org/ysjaemyfj/Untitled.jpg

Very interesting. A bunch of Tuscans.

http://i.imgur.com/eUZurv7.png

http://i.imgur.com/jqJAiO4.png

[Wrong]

The only thing that makes sense is that you are a bunch of idiotsTa qifsha nanen o debil

[Wrong]

Very interesting. A bunch of Tuscans.

http://i.imgur.com/eUZurv7.png

http://i.imgur.com/jqJAiO4.pngWoah cool, this Tuscan center must be abit higher than the blue square.

[HellLander87]

Ta qifsha nanen o debil

dirty gypsy Mehmet stfu.

[Wrong]

dirty gypsy Mehmet stfu.Go back to sucking more turkish donkeymilk.

[Percivalle]

Woah cool, this Tuscan center must be abit higher than the blue square.

Yes, indeed. The Tuscan blue dot is based on a southern Tuscan sample, there is even a slight cline in Tuscany, with North Tuscans getting closer to the North Italian dot (that is based on Northwestern Italians).

[Lek]

Yes, indeed. The Tuscan blue dot is based on a southern Tuscan sample, there is even a slight cline in Tuscany, with North Tuscans getting closer to the North Italian dot (that is based on Northwestern Italians).

Yeah I can imagine that

[Sikeliot]

Comes out 75% Sicilian and 25% Polish.

And you're half islander. Weird. Most mainlanders score this, and islanders are more or less like Sicilians so it's like you're 75% Greek islander, 25% Polish.

Your Peloponnesian or islander side must be more northern shifted than average.

[Sikeliot]

wrong; scholarios is just a bit caucasus-shifted due to ancient Carian ancestry from his Icarian side.

This is someone who is fully from Ikaria:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.78
2 West_Asian 19.32
3 West_Med 18.8
4 Atlantic 13.17
5 Baltic 6.81
6 Red_Sea 6.17
7 North_Sea 2.95
8 Eastern_Euro 2.83
9 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6.28
2 Central_Greek 7.41
3 East_Sicilian 7.9
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.83
5 Italian_Jewish 9.93
6 Ashkenazi 10.03
7 Italian_Abruzzo 10.24
8 Algerian_Jewish 10.32
9 West_Sicilian 11.08
10 Cyprian 11.26
11 Greek 11.5
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.28
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.06
14 Lebanese_Muslim 15.34
15 Turkish 15.64
16 Libyan_Jewish 15.78
17 Tuscan 15.86
18 Syrian 16.75
19 Samaritan 18.98
20 Bulgarian 19.57

[DarknessWin]

Exactly, but still they won't believe a thing as they don't accept the truth being that we are taller than them

Taller?? Greece is number 8th in the world with the taller population

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-tallest-countries.html

https://s27.postimg.org/9fkgrtpvn/Euro_stature.png

https://s16.postimg.org/axvovqtth/european_height.png

[Kelmendasi]

Taller?? Greece is number 8th in the world with the taller population

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-tallest-countries.html

https://s27.postimg.org/9fkgrtpvn/Euro_stature.png

https://s16.postimg.org/axvovqtth/european_height.png
The data used in that map is outdated

[Scholarios]

And you're half islander. Weird. Most mainlanders score this, and islanders are more or less like Sicilians so it's like you're 75% Greek islander, 25% Polish.

Your Peloponnesian or islander side must be more northern shifted than average.

But I dont plot with mainlanders or even half-way between mainlanders and islanders but down with Sicilians. The calculators just round the numbers to fit into the 2 or 3 ethnicity approximations, it's not very "scientific".

[Sikeliot]

But I dont plot with mainlanders or even half-way between mainlanders and islanders but down with Sicilians. The calculators just round the numbers to fit into the 2 or 3 ethnicity approximations, it's not very "scientific".

Then this means your Peloponnesian side might be more southern than average. Anyway you're still slightly north of Sicilians according to how someone plotted you.

[Wrong]

I think my Atlantic admixture is quite high here compared to other Albanians and Greeks.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/EdDlEIS5RfvbEkQOZClPiq4-cjinfXEjscsH5p0oeVz3bey89MteeRkBKVGz8yaZXY-yQ2HKFuOawbc=w1920-h974-rw

[Lek]

I think my Atlantic admixture is quite high here compared to other Albanians and Greeks.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/EdDlEIS5RfvbEkQOZClPiq4-cjinfXEjscsH5p0oeVz3bey89MteeRkBKVGz8yaZXY-yQ2HKFuOawbc=w1920-h974-rw

Can't see pic but this is fustans k15

North_Sea 13.67
Atlantic 19.89
Baltic 15.22
Eastern_Euro 6.63
West_Med 14.56
West_Asian 6.10
East_Med 21.47
Red_Sea 1.27
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.06
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.12
Northeast_African -


High Atlantic, Baltic and North Sea indicates some foreign ancestry from the north. No doubt.

Baltic = Slavic/balts

North sea / Atlantic = Vikings / normans / goths

[Wrong]

Can't see pic but this is fustans k15

North_Sea 13.67
Atlantic 19.89
Baltic 15.22
Eastern_Euro 6.63
West_Med 14.56
West_Asian 6.10
East_Med 21.47
Red_Sea 1.27
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.06
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.12
Northeast_African -


High Atlantic, Baltic and North Sea indicates some foreign ancestry from the north. No doubt.He is clearly unique in this regard.

[Lek]

He is clearly unique in this regard.

Yeah that's why he plots where he plots. Baltic indicates Slavic ancestry and makes you shift north east while Atlantic indicates western ancestry and makes you shift west. He plots where he plots due to a combo of those things.

As for me, nothing is abnormally high for alb standards except for the north sea which makes me shift north.

As you said though this north sea varies with Atlantic which is why me and him share north western matches but other albs get lower levels of both.

Also we share a I1 match from the Balkans who's tribe was of Norman origin together with a Albanian tribe and who matches I1 albos in our bloodline project

[Wrong]

Yeah that's why he plots where he plots. Baltic indicates Slavic ancestry and makes you shift north east while Atlantic indicates western ancestry and makes you shift west. He plots where he plots due to a combo of those things.

As for me, nothing is abnormally high for alb standards except for the north sea which makes me shift north.Goths most likely in your case, Normans would have slightly more towards Atlantic than Goths, but still with high North Sea too.

This is of course if we take these gedmatch admixtures seriously :)

[Lek]

Goths most likely in your case, Normans would have slightly more towards Atlantic than Goths, but still with high North Sea too. This is if we take these admixtures seriously :)

I updated my post above.

But as I said, I get Scandinavian matches, fustan shares these matches with me. They are closer than many Balkan matches I get like Mortimer who is ev 13.

[Voskos]

All of you have done the 23andme tests and put it to other calculators?

yea. you take ftdna/23andme/ancestrydna and then upload your data on gedmatch.com

[DarknessWin]

The data used in that map is outdated

Nope its up to date i sent you another 2 data and not only the map , the modern Greeks are taller than Germans.
i see teenagers today are average at 190 cm maybe from the good diet

[The.Mask]

....

You are more than delussional if you belive greece is the 8th place in the world for height.

Germans, Austrians, Norwegians, Croats, Bosnians, Kosovar Albanians, Scots, Danes, Lithuanians, Montenegrins etc are taller than neo greeks.

It is not a coinsidence that albanian members in average are the tallest in this forum , while the Ghegs are actually Giants.

The guy you quoted and the OP are both 197 cm for example.

Lots of maps on the net, from height and pigmentation, to PISA, suicide and homicide need to be updated as soon as possible.

[Geni]

I still have to see an Albanian get more than me on this.

From Eurogenes k15 calc


North_Sea 19.07
2 East_Med 18.16
3 West_Med 17.25
4 Atlantic 14.7
5 Baltic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.81
8 Red_Sea 2.54
9 South_Asian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Southeast_Asian 0.05


It peaks in Scandinavians/NorthWest Europe

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SGQpYUKZMdk/U8ZouyT-VSI/AAAAAAAAA9A/pyPC4ghy5Eg/w350-h198-no/North_Sea_K15_small.png
East_Med 23.65
North_Sea 18.17
Atlantic 14.32
Baltic 8.35
West_Med 16.89
West_Asian 12.12
Baltic 8.35
Eastern_Euro 3.25
Red_Sea 2.4

Your nordic score is less 1 punkt big that my score ...and i am south albanian ...so please dont feel viking now

[Geni]

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