Classify these two Italians

[Lek]

https://youtu.be/CCqyVf9LGi8

[Hadouken]

:speechless-smiley-0

[Mortimer]

They look similar to that mafiosi posted who mn1 claimed is a gypsy

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

They look similar to that mafiosi posted who mn1 claimed is a gypsy

Lol, no they don't.

[Mortimer]

Lol, no they don't.

They actually do

[Lek]

They look similar to that mafiosi posted who mn1 claimed is a gypsy

That mafiosi looked more like a exotic south euro. Wonder if a mod could move this to classification section

[Mortimer]

That mafiosi looked more like a exotic south euro. Wonder if a mod could move this to classification section

Yes there is no proof he was gypsy sikeliot said he wouldnt be accepted as mafia boss if he werwe're e

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

They actually do

The guy he posted could pass as Gypsy but I haven't seen anywhere saying that he is one. Most likely he is not Gypsy, just an exotic looking guy. These two guys on the other hand wouldn't stick out in Italy.

[Mortimer]

The guy he posted could pass as Gypsy but I haven't seen anywhere saying that he is one. Most likely he is not Gypsy, just an exotic looking guy. These two guys on the other hand wouldn't stick out in Italy.

They look at least similar the gays

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

They look at least similar the gays

The other guy seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum. These two look like regular Italians to me, phenotypically wise.

[Kamal900]

The other guy seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum. These two look like regular Italians to me, phenotypically wise.

The guy on the right can easily pass in the Levant for me. The other looks very Southern European.

[Kamal900]

The other guy seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum. These two look like regular Italians to me, phenotypically wise.

The guy on the right can easily pass in the Levant for me. The other looks very Southern European.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lele-e-Angelo-3.jpg

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/lele-angelo.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UwAAu4UA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UYAIgPXf.jpg:large



The same two guys on the video.

[Mortimer]

The other guy seems to be on the extreme end of the spectrum. These two look like regular Italians to me, phenotypically wise.

The other guy was even more Exotic but to me they are in the same Boat all are wops not same but similar here These gays would be seen as turks everyone who is Not northern black or Asian is lumepd as turk or mena

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Lol, no they don't.

Lol, yeah not really. They look different to the mafioso I posted.

[Mortimer]

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lele-e-Angelo-3.jpg

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/lele-angelo.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UwAAu4UA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UYAIgPXf.jpg:large



The same two guys on the video.

Ok they look darker in video

[Aurelio]

Good looking South European Mediterraneans who enjoy their lives, have regular sex live and don't talk about races.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The guy he posted could pass as Gypsy but I haven't seen anywhere saying that he is one. Most likely he is not Gypsy, just an exotic looking guy. These two guys on the other hand wouldn't stick out in Italy.

Yes, word. Agree word for word.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Lele-e-Angelo-3.jpg

http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/lele-angelo.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UwAAu4UA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWiLY_4UYAIgPXf.jpg:large



The same two guys on the video.

They look nothing like the mafioso I posted. These look Southern European. The mafioso looked Gypsy or Pakistani or indian punjabi with some Italian ancestry admix.

[Survivor]

Under the system of White Supremacy, those two are classified as White.

[Mortimer]

They look nothing like the mafioso I posted. These look Southern European. The mafioso looked Gypsy or Pakistani or indian punjabi with some Italian ancestry admix.

The father looked white though of the mafioso

[Aurelio]

The father looked white though of the mafioso

And? Will you try to discriminate a person because he look different from the textbook Italian. Why we don't give a shit about other ethnic groups, Italians are the sexiest and most desirable people and everyone talks about them.
There are some self hating Italians who try to pass themselves off as Central European, but we look down those. Italians are proud people even if they look like Saddam Hussein. :D

[Mortimer]

And? Will you try to discriminate a person because he supposed to look different from the textbook Italian. Why we don't give a shit about other ethnic groups, Italians are the sexiest and most desirable people and everyone talks about them.

No im not im saying he migeht be Italian mn1 and crazyladybutterfly say he cant be

[Aurelio]

No im not im saying he migeht be Italian mn1 and crazyladybutterfly say he cant be

They're probadly trolls. Some people especially from Sicily can look Arab, but some look North European. We don't look the same. You even find Middle Eastern people who look Scandinavian almost.

[Percivalle]

And? Will you try to discriminate a person because he look different from the textbook Italian. Why we don't give a shit about other ethnic groups, Italians are the sexiest and most desirable people and everyone talks about them.
There are some self hating Italians who try to pass themselves off as Central European, but we look down those. Italians are proud people even if they look like Saddam Hussein. :D

We look down only those who are not Italian like yourself and speak for Italians.

[Aurelio]

We look down only those who are not Italian like yourself and speak for Italians.

I'm not full Italian, nor even said before. I know what my Italian side of my family looks and I know the diversity. I sincerely feel ashamed to see how some Italian and other members coming from different nations still hold these racialist views and claim anyone who look darker than average as foreign.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

We look down only those who are not Italian like yourself and speak for Italians.

Secondo te chi è sto troll? C'è l'ha contro di tutti, poi dice d'essere americano ma non sa nemmeno scrivere in inglese...chissà di quale manicomio è scappato!

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

We look down only those who are not Italian like yourself and speak for Italians.

I would not be surprise if he not really Italian. In the anthro groups there some strange "Italians" who claimed the Mafioso looks like a normal "Italian"...

But anybody honest with eyes can see he don't look Italian. But off or very exotic.

[Percivalle]

I'm not full Italian, nor even said before. I know what my Italian side of my family looks and I know the diversity. I sincerely feel ashamed to see how some Italian and other members coming from different nations still hold these racialist views and claim anyone who look darker than average as foreign.

Non me ne può fregare un emerito cazzo di quello che pensi.

Now, just show me how you're good with your Italian side.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I'm not full Italian, nor even said before. I know what my Italian side of my family looks and I know the diversity. I sincerely feel ashamed to see how some Italian and other members coming from different nations still hold these racialist views and claim anyone who look darker than average as foreign.

Nor are you American and yet you claim to be so why should we take you seriously?

[Aurelio]

Nor are you American and yet you claim to be so why should we take you seriously?

I feel close to my Italian side and that's how i view myself. I said these people don't strike me as foreign, it's my individual opinion some people will say the opposite, everybody have the right to express thoughts.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Non me ne può fregare un emerito cazzo di quello che pensi.

Now, just show me how you're good with your Italian side.

Hai visto che non ha capito un cazzo??

[Percivalle]

The guy he posted could pass as Gypsy but I haven't seen anywhere saying that he is one. Most likely he is not Gypsy, just an exotic looking guy. These two guys on the other hand wouldn't stick out in Italy.

The guy posted by Mn is the son of a boss, who is very unlikely of Gypsy origin, but there is no information about his mother.

There are Mafiosi with Gypsy ancestry (and when I say Mafiosi I mean in a broad sense, Camorra, 'ndrangheta, who are even more dangerous now than Sicilian Mafia) but I don't know if it's really the case of that guy.


Secondo te chi è sto troll? C'è l'ha contro di tutti, poi dice d'essere americano ma non sa nemmeno scrivere in inglese...chissà di quale manicomio è scappato!

Boh, può essere di tutto. Credo che comunque gli utenti che ci trollano non siano più di 5 o 6, che a turno cambiano account e finiscono per sembrare molti di più di quanti siano in realtà.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

The guy posted by Mn is the son of a boss, who is very unlikely of Gypsy origin, but there is no information about his mother.

There are Mafiosi with Gypsy ancestry (and when I say Mafiosi I mean in a broad sense, Camorra, 'ndrangheta, who are even more dangerous now than Sicilian Mafia) but I don't know if it's really the case of that guy.



Boh, può essere di tutto, anche un mezzo italiano coglione che si spaccia per americano. Credo che comunque gli utenti che ci trollano non siano più di 5 o 6, che a turno cambiano account e finiscono per sembrare molti di più di quanti siano in realtà.

C'è una persona che secondo me ha almeno 10 sock per trollarci ma non lo posso nominare.

[Percivalle]

C'è una persona che secondo me ha almeno 10 sock per trollarci ma non lo posso nominare.

Mandami un messaggio in privato.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The guy posted by Mn is the son of a boss, who is very unlikely of Gypsy origin, but there is no information about his mother.

There are Mafiosi with Gypsy ancestry (and when I say Mafiosi I mean in a broad sense, Camorra, 'ndrangheta, who are even more dangerous now than Sicilian Mafia) but I don't know if it's really the case of that guy.

To me he is just an exotic looking fellow at the end of the spectrum. Exotic types as such can be found all across South Europe but they are the exception, not the rule. We can only speculate but we will never be sure anyway and it's not like it really matters. Only someone delusional would think that it is a common type in Italy.

These two guys on the other hand are just regular Italians. Would pass in here to a certain degree (the guy with the tattoo passes better imo).

[Aurelio]

To me he is just an exotic looking fellow at the end of the spectrum. Exotic types as such can be found all across South Europe but they are the exception, not the rule. We can only speculate but we will never be sure anyway and it's not like it really matters. Only someone delusional would think that it is a common type in Italy.

These two guys on the other hand are just regular Italians. Would pass in here to a certain degree (the guy with the tattoo passes better imo).

These are the people who would be the ones to claim a Portuguese of Brazilian descent as native. I'm not trying to start a fight with any of these guys but it's just pathetic IMO

[Percivalle]

To me he is just an exotic looking fellow at the end of the spectrum. Exotic types as such can be found all across South Europe but they are the exception, not the rule. We can only speculate but we will never be sure anyway and it's not like it really matters. Only someone delusional would think that it is a common type in Italy.

These two guys on the other hand are just regular Italians. Would pass in here to a certain degree (the guy with the tattoo passes better imo).

I totally agree with you.

[MinervaItalica]

Holy shit here we go again...
This should be in Taxonomy.
The op wanted to troll, obvious is obvious.

[Lek]

Holy shit here we go again...
This should be in Taxonomy.
The op wanted to troll, obvious is obvious.

Im not trolling. I posted it in wrong section.

[MinervaItalica]

Im not trolling. I posted it in wrong section.

Sorry but a person who starts a thread like this is basically a troll. Clearly cherrypicked. That video isn't good for classifications...

Ask a mod to move it. This is the wrong section.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Im not trolling. I posted it in wrong section.

Right out of all videos this is the one you chose one that is guaranteed to stir up some kind of reaction from some of the more conservative people here. Nothing astonishing or interesting about their phenotype they just look like normal Southern Europeans so what is the point?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Right out of all videos this is the one you chose one that is guaranteed to stir up some kind of reaction from some of the more conservative people here. Nothing astonishing or interesting about their phenotype they just look like normal Southern Europeans so what is the point?

I don't understand why people expect to get reactions by posting homossexual people. It is scientifically backed that there is a certain percentage of homossexual people everywhere else (from one to three per cent). Percentage wise there's about the same amount of gays in Albania as there is anywhere else in the world, they just happen to be not as visible because they live in a Muslim society. It is not because they don't have gays...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdNh6p8RKo

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

To me he is just an exotic looking fellow at the end of the spectrum. Exotic types as such can be found all across South Europe but they are the exception, not the rule. We can only speculate but we will never be sure anyway and it's not like it really matters. Only someone delusional would think that it is a common type in Italy.

These two guys on the other hand are just regular Italians. Would pass in here to a certain degree (the guy with the tattoo passes better imo).

There is a guy in anthro groups on fb who likes to post Iberians mainly and now talians that look like the mafioso.

He is a exotic guy who in my opinion looks Gypsy too or something or even psuedo Pardo looking. Ese tipo dice ser de Azores. Quien esta en grupo con Norte Africanos que hacen lo mismo. Quieren asociarce con Southern Euros.

[Lek]

Right out of all videos this is the one you chose one that is guaranteed to stir up some kind of reaction from some of the more conservative people here. Nothing astonishing or interesting about their phenotype they just look like normal Southern Europeans so what is the point?

I can show you more exotic Albanians if thats what you want. Ill make a thread of all the diverse phenotypes from my village. Albanians here can just stfu considering they get ashkenazi, sardinian and north european but they are first to shout 'gypsyyyy gypsyyyu'''.

There was no point just like others who post blondes in classifications when its obvious what they are.. whats the point?

Just spreading some gay love <3

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I don't understand why people expect to get reactions by posting homossexual people. It is scientifically backed that there is a certain percentage of homossexual people everywhere else (from one to three per cent). Percentage wise there's about the same amount of gays in Albania as there is anywhere else in the world, they just happen to be not as visible because they live in a Muslim society. It is not because they don't have gays...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdNh6p8RKo

I agree the main key to not being an extremist and not being "triggered " by these sorts of things is being mature, and informed enough about the world.

[Lek]

I don't understand why people expect to get reactions by posting homossexual people. It is scientifically backed that there is a certain percentage of homossexual people everywhere else (from one to three per cent). Percentage wise there's about the same amount of gays in Albania as there is anywhere else in the world, they just happen to be not as visible because they live in a Muslim society. It is not because they don't have gays...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdNh6p8RKo

Nothing to do with Muslim society any more than Catholic society, to tell you the truth. Most blood feuds in Albania are between Catholics and funny enough ive seen people associate it with Islam. A large part of our backward culture and mentality is rather pre-ottoman. Some Muslims still carry this mentality. Same with clan society in the north is rather pre ottoman. So is the kanun. Which is why South Albanians have always been more civilised.

[Lek]

There is a guy in anthro groups on fb who likes to post Iberians mainly and now talians that look like the mafioso.

He is a exotic guy who in my opinion looks Gypsy too or something or even psuedo Pardo looking. Ese tipo dice ser de Azores. Quien esta en grupo con Norte Africanos que hacen lo mismo. Quieren asociarce con Southern Euros.

Exotic south europeans are more indigenous than lighter ones imo and far from being gypsies.

We have dozzens of Albanian genetic studies and pretty much none ive seen show much south asian admix unless its very ancient but they still shout ''gypsy gypsy gypsy'' ''there are albanised gypsies hurr durr'' ... we have asimilated way more slavs, jews and germanics which is obvious by autosomal studies.

Ashkalis, even though Albanised, still have their own identity and marriages with Albanians is rare.

And I know some here and they dont overlap much with exotic Albanians.

[Cristiano viejo]

Exotic south europeans are more indigenous than lighter ones imo and far from being gypsies.

We have dozzens of Albanian genetic studies and pretty much none ive seen show much south asian admix unless its very ancient but they still shout ''gypsy gypsy gypsy'' ''there are albanised gypsies hurr durr'' ... we have asimilated way more slavs, jews and germanics which is obvious by autosomal studies.

Ashkalis, even though Albanised, still have their own identity and marriages with Albanians is rare.

And I know some here and they dont overlap much with exotic Albanians.

Have you seen this? H1 being the Gypsy ancestry
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/S6ZYexugWoI/AAAAAAAACVA/1I9HXeBDFQY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/albanians.png

[Lek]

Have you seen this? H1 being the Gypsy ancestry
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/S6ZYexugWoI/AAAAAAAACVA/1I9HXeBDFQY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/albanians.png

Yeah 0.68 ..basically non existant in Ghegs , slavic / germanic ancestry is way more common. AlsoI gypsy ancestry is more common in greeks and serbs from asimilation. And 2% in Tosks. This is almost nothing compared to other balkan countries. Ive seen Romanians etc get south asian on 23andme.


Most autosomal tests ive seen have been on ghegs and never seen any south asian admixture from dna land, ftdna or 23andme. So how do you know these haplogroups came from gypsies? If gypsies got asimilated paternally then it must of also happened maternally and surely there should be some obvious admixture on 23andme etc.

There was a Gheg here who tested L and it supposedly came from india but from what i know he didnt showsuch admix on 23andme etc. Gypsies came to the balkan like 500 years ago. A test like dnaland or 23andme wouldbe enough to spot such admixture

The peope they accused of being gypsies are Ghegs btw who barely even have such admix. Seems like Tosks are more diverse. But other populationslike greeks.italians, romanians etc are even more genetically diverse than the difference between tosks and ghegs.

I dont see how it makes you less Albanian than slavic or germanic , jewish ancestry or turkish. They are all foreign elements. Why dont complain when they get north europeabn which is way more common then ? xD cos they are hardcore OWD obviously but shout gypsy at others. They are not any more Albanian than one who has some south asian admixture.

And slavic/germanic is by far more common in Albanians as you even proved yourself. Several of those hg's can be linked to them.

[Sikeliot]

They're probadly trolls. Some people especially from Sicily can look Arab, but some look North European. We don't look the same. You even find Middle Eastern people who look Scandinavian almost.


I get Lebanese customers here at work who look no different than far south Italians and even knowing there's overlap i still get surprised to hear they're middle eastern.

These guys have a Levantine vibe.

[Lek]

Btw, there are a lot of gypsies who have a lot of EV-13, especially studies on gypsies in Macedonia. Does that make it gypsy hg? They most likely picked it up but autosomal is waymore important thanto just assume where these hg came from.

[Lek]

I get Lebanese customers here at work who look no different than far south Italians and even knowing there's overlap i still get surprised to hear they're middle eastern.

These guys have a Levantine vibe.

Many Albanians have a levantine vibe too.

[Sikeliot]

Many Albanians have a levantine vibe too.


We are all related!

[Lek]

Btw you proved yourself the gypsy admixture in ghegs is non existant... 0.68 thats like nothing.. ghegs have the least of this admixture in the whole balkans. its also obvious by autosomal admixture that its non existant.. but according to them half of ghegs are gypsies xD

If we asimilated so many gypsies than the admixture should be way higher.

To me an Albanian who gets 5% South Asian isnt any less Albanian than someone who gets Jewish or North European. Yet they talk on behalf of Albaniansand claim others look ''turkogypsy'' Lulz . They cant even tell the difference between anatolians and gypsies.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Btw you proved yourself the gypsy admixture in ghegs is non existant... 0.68 thats like nothing.. ghegs have the least of this admixture in the whole balkans. its also obvious by autosomal admixture that its non existant.. but according to them half of ghegs are gypsies xD

If we asimilated so many gypsies than the admixture should be way higher.

To me an Albanian who gets 5% South Asian isnt any less Albanian than someone who gets Jewish or North European. Yet they talk on behalf of Albaniansand claim others look ''turkogypsy'' Lulz . They cant even tell the difference between anatolians and gypsies.

I have yet to see an Albo who score 5% or less South Asian in gedmatch or in any conventional testing companies.....Cristiano is one of those guys who think E-V13 is zoomali but forget that his people have their own share of E-V13 and even H in significant numbers.

[Lek]

I have yet to see an Albo who score 5% or less South Asian in gedmatch or in any conventional testing companies.....Cristiano is one of those guys who think E-V13 is zoomali but forget that his people have their own share of E-V13 and even H in significant numbers.

You mean 5% or more. xD ive seen on gedmatch like 1% but every european gets that and itsmore ancient but ive never seen south asian in dna land, 23andme etc but most of these were Ghegs. Id like to see some Tosks who I think are more genetically diverse than Ghegs and more Slavic and South Asian ancestry overall from the looks of it. Also phenotypically speaking. But I have seen south asian on 23andme in Romanians. And some other MENA in Greeks too.

H peaks in Romanians and South Iberians going by this map.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Haplogrupo_H_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG

Some H in Europe is very ancient but it still came from India.

It was like only 0.68 in Ghegs and 0.9 in Serbs. Its found more in Tosks, Greeks and Romanians.

Neither do I understand why he quoted me as it proves my point that there barely has been any intermarriage with these people considering the fact that they have been living around us for hundreds of years these numbers are very low actually, really low in Ghegs.

Many of the ancient people still came outside of Europe and if I recall indo europeans were the last ones yet funny enough are presented as indigenous europeans more than anyone else. Its basically just a repetitive cycle.

[Cristiano viejo]

I have yet to see an Albo who score 5% or less South Asian in gedmatch or in any conventional testing companies.....Cristiano is one of those guys who think E-V13 is zoomali but forget that his people have their own share of E-V13 and even H in significant numbers.

Well, you have to be coherent when you call me Moor, due the presence of E in Spain. E is African, not my fault that peaks in Albania.
H exists in Andalusia according that non-very reliable map. I am not Andalusian and live very far from there.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Well, you have to be coherent when you call me Moor, due the presence of E in Spain. E is African, not my fault that peaks in Albania.
H exists in Andalusia according that non-very reliable map. I am not Andalusian and live very far from there.

Haplogroup means shit what autosomal tells you about racial make up (implying E-V13 is african and ignoring the part where it has less 1% effect in you), you score MENA and SSA ffs a recent nigger and sandnigger component, so moor suits you about right.

[Cristiano viejo]

Haplogroup means shit what autosomal tells you about racial make up (implying E-V13 is african and ignoring the part where it has less 1% effect in you), you score MENA and SSA ffs a recent nigger and sandnigger component, so moor suits you about right.

There is nothing to imply, E is clearly African and Albanians score near 40% E, so Moor suits you about right.
(And Gypsy, as that study affirms).