Western Mediterranean vs Eastern

[Gone West]

This is something I have in mind since I went to holiday in Spain,

Are Western Mediterranean (Gracile and Atlanto) and Eastern Mediterranean (Pontid) similar in term of phenotype and/or genetics ? Because they looks related whatsoever, like most Southern Europeans.

Which one of this guy looks more Spanish for example, because, imo they are both equally looking.

1:
https://image.ibb.co/ntQ0Ow/IMG_0795.jpg

2:
https://image.ibb.co/dOO9GG/IMG_0796.jpg

[MercifulServant]

East Med is a fake non existent type the real name of Eastern branch of the med race is Pontid

[Gone West]

Well Pontid and Gracile Med look very similar. I can't tell the differences between some Croatians or Bulgarians and Spanish (like pure Gracile Med with no SSA admixture).

In short, I feel like all Southern Europeans are somehow related. West and East.

[Pigling]

East Med is a fake non existent type the real name of Eastern branch of the med race is Pontid

Pontid is eastern variant of sort of robust Atlanto-Mediterranid.

[Maintenance]

Atlanto med = taller
Pontid (East med) = shorter

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[Impaler]

Atlanto med = taller
Pontid (East med) = shorter

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No, aprox the same height. Atlanto-Med are more robust and sharp-featured.

[Grab the Gauge]

There's no such thing as an "east med" or a "pontid", a med is just a med and there's no discernible difference between them. Coon even said the made-up "Pontic Mediteranean" race had no real archaeological or metrical substance. People should just drop the terms altogether and never post them again, but they won't, because they are genetically incapable of rising above.

[Gone West]

There's no such thing as an "east med" or a "pontid", a med is just a med and there's no discernible difference between them. Coon even said the made-up "Pontic Mediteranean" race had no real archaeological or metrical substance. People should just drop the terms altogether and never post them again, but they won't, because they are genetically incapable of rising above.

I tend to agree with you but I think Spanishs and Bulgarians or Croats or even Serbs don't want to be classified as the same subrace. That's why they invented such terms. But for me they look exactly the same.

[Gone West]

Sincerely, these people could be exchanged, they look the same. One is Pontid, the other one Gracile.

1:
https://image.ibb.co/ntQ0Ow/IMG_0795.jpg

2:
https://image.ibb.co/dOO9GG/IMG_0796.jpg

[Gone West]

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[Hudayar]

Wait East Med is actually same as Pontid?

Well, explains my long face then.

[Gangrel]

Only difference I can see is that East-Meds are bit more gracile

[Gone West]

Pontid and Atlanto-Med are the same.

Like East-Med and Gracile-Med are also the same.

Look, these people could all be Spaniards, or Croats. Even Italians maybe.

East-Med:
http://i.imgur.com/GUb5mc6.png

Gracile-Med:
https://archive.is/JSmul/0761c23ed11a5ff56be3fdea631390866e13566b.jpg

Pontid:
http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p523286/PontidM.jpg

Atlanto-Med:
http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p471863/atlantomedm.jpg

You can see some slight eastern features, like more closely-set eyes. But that's all.

[JMack]

Gracile-Med and Atlanto-Med are almost the same, the big difference is height and head lenght. Pontid is basically SE European Atlanto-Med and East-Med doesn't exist.

[Gone West]

Gracile-Med and Atlanto-Med are almost the same, the big difference is height and head lenght. Pontid is basically SE European Atlanto-Med and East-Med doesn't exist.

So Croats and Spaniards Med are the same for example ?

[Hamlet]

In the West (and this is true for Atlanto-Meds vs Pontids and Hallstatt vs E. Nordid), the vault is generally lower, and the CI lower too.

[Hamlet]

Gracile-Med and Atlanto-Med are almost the same, the big difference is height and head lenght. Pontid is basically SE European Atlanto-Med and East-Med doesn't exist.

Why do people claim East Med. doesnt exist?

[Gone West]

In the West (and this is true for Atlanto-Meds vs Pontids and Hallstatt vs E. Nordid), the vault is generally lower, and the CI lower too.

What does that means, vault and CI. Sorry I am not a native english person.

[Hamlet]

What does that means, vault and CI. Sorry I am not a native english person.

Low vault just means not a high forehead/horse face. CI means cephalic index - it basically means how relatively long your head is from an above view (from the back to the front, not top to bottom).

[JMack]

So Croats and Spaniards Med are the same for example ?

If they only have Med influence, yes. But Balkan types are generally mixed with other phenotypes.

[JMack]

Why do people claim East Med. doesnt exist?

Because it's a fake type, with no metrical base. Most people classified as East-Meds are Atlanto-Meds or Gracile-Meds.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I tend to agree with you but I think Spanishs and Bulgarians or Croats or even Serbs don't want to be classified as the same subrace. That's why they invented such terms. But for me they look exactly the same.

Don't pay attention to Grab the Gauge, he's just fucking around with you. Coon recognized the existance of the Pontic Mediterranean, and there's some distinguishable differences with the Atlanto-Med.

You can check the Races of Europe photographic supplement:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troephotos.htm

[MercifulServant]

Atlanto med = taller
Pontid (East med) = shorter

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No actually pontids are tall

[Sikeliot]

East Med is not its own type.

The predominant Med types are Atlanto-Med in Iberia, Gracile Med in Italy, and Pontid in Greece.

Levantines have their own type of Mediterranean look which is likely a spinoff of Arabid, Iranid, and Gracile Med types mixed together that developed their own adaptation.

[Rafael Passoni]

It means that Med Italians are in the middle (Gracile Med).

[lei.talk]

https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6zTrMSe.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#)https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.png


EAST-MEDITERRANID (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#EAST%20MEDITERRANID)
Refers to the Mediterranid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) varieties, including Pontid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#PONTID), which are indigenous to the eastern Mediterranean areas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mediterranean). The term has also been applied to a larger selection of eastern European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe#Definitions) and Central Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia#Definitions)n brunet dolichocephalic (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#DOLICHOCEPHALIC) types, including Orientalids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#ORIENTALID).


https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/qbBCYb7.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-main.htm)https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.png


WEST-MEDITERRANID (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?73486-quot-it-is-so-easy-that-a-six-year-old-girl-can-do-it-quot&p=6372266&viewfull=1#post6372266) Lundman (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?73486-quot-it-is-so-easy-that-a-six-year-old-girl-can-do-it-quot&p=6372266&viewfull=1#post6372266)

[mllpos]

craniometrically they can be similar, but the features are quite different.
western med (gracile) more common in spain, sardinia, southern italy (often hybridized with dinarid dinaro-med) and a bit in southern france. They are short and ectomorph (in general) the nose is not so long, very gracile features
Pontid are present in the balkans and eastern italy, taller, ectomorph (in general), a difference can be the forehead not wide, smooth on the side
Atlanto med are taller mesomorph nose is narrow but strong and long are present in portugal, spain, sothern france and mainly northern Italy (often hybridized with dinarid=padanid).