Classify Svetlana Ražnatović (Ceca)

[Rouxinol]

Said to be amongst the most famous Serbian pop-folk singers of all time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Ra%C5%BEnatovi%C4%87

http://www.wallpapermoz.com/images/wallpapers/73980204/Music/Ceca/Ceca_34.jpg

http://daniiellass.blogg.se/images/2010/ceca_70963288.jpg

CKgiYaqVVOs

Another example of pop-folk from Serbia.

[mymy]

Oh man, you really don't like Serbs. Another not so pretty woman.

Med+Dinaric+Gypsy

We don't look like that in general... :rolleyes:

I'm sorry for my behaving, i really don't like that music... As I said, it should be forbidden.

[Ibericus]

Looks part negroid

[alzo zero]

Med+Gypsy, I don't see any Dinaric.

[Himera]

Dear Labrador . that is Serbia which dont belong to European mind ...

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

in the 2nd picture she looks a transexual

her lips are visibly filled with botox and on those cheekbones picked out due to the insertion of prothesis.

[Hess]

Wow. Do serbian women generally look like that?

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

Wow. Do serbian women generally look like that?

no, that portuguese is only envious of our dinaric beauties.

pure Serbian girls are prettier that this one.

[mymy]

Wow. Do serbian women generally look like that?

DO I LOOK LIKE THAT?
The answer is no, we don't look like that ;)

[Himera]

Wow. Do serbian women generally look like that?

So what was the point ?
Sarcastic or what , half - cro ?
:rolleyes2:

[Rouxinol]

I think she looks Turanid.

[Hess]

So what was the point ?
Sarcastic or what , half - cro ?
:rolleyes2:

Is there any solid evidence of her being a gypsy?

[Himera]

Is there any solid evidence of her being a gypsy?

I thought it is obvious...

[Blossom]

Besides I understand a sh*t - ...music sounds creepy.

[Hess]

I thought it is obvious...

By evidence I mean documentation, not "her face looks funny"

[Rouxinol]

Why would Zeljko Arkan marry a gypsy and then engage in ethnic cleansing in Serbia?!


In 1995 Ceca married Željko Ražnatović Arkan, leader of the paramilitary forces Arkan's Tigers and one of the most influential individuals in Belgrade in the 90s. She met Arkan in Erdut while performing for the Serb Volunteer Guard, when the Party of Serbian Unity was formed, she was asked by Arkan to perform.[5] His marriage to Ceca was broadcast on TV, made headlines in newspapers, and was portrayed by Serbian media as a "Serbian fairytale." Arkan was killed on January 15, 2000 in Belgrade, leaving Ceca an arrested widow with two children.

[mymy]

Why would Zeljko Arkan marry a gypsy and then engage in ethnic cleansing in Serbia?!

Because that man was insane??
LOL!
Do you expect logical actions from man with mental problems?
I don't.

[Panopticon]

Before plastic surgeries:
http://ringtonegg.com/wp-content/uploads/y1mbezsk-h3W8PNU2KliWyO20-eKVjvY0Y3gcsJMckhC7T-BX_zIqmxBz9ei2yLVLD6RWLk6YwB5ymlHwL0dGYIi0xb4VUq5p WNan9u38_a_M9b3zay3O3dnw10yVLy7Bhja7Y_orrMBQxoN0uF iy1WZA.jpeg

http://www.limundo.com/slika-Ceca-Velickovic-Ceca--2928982x640.jpg

Btw, she doesn't look to have Gipsy influence, being a bit exotic doesn't necessarily mean that you're a Gipsy.

[Hess]

Yeah, I'm not buying it. She may look atypical for the average Serbian woman, but to claim that she's a gypsy is unsubstantiated and pretentious in my opinion

[mymy]

Yeah, I'm not buying it. She may look atypical for the average Serbian woman, but to claim that she's a gypsy is unsubstantiated and pretentious in my opinion

I don't know, but her pigmentation is strange. I don't say she is pure Gypsy, but maybe she has a bit of influence.

Look this pic:
http://ceca.rs/wp-content/gallery/cecine-sise/ceca-raznatovic-sise.jpg

[Himera]

Because I once said :

ANYBODY who raise 3 fingers in air , is " enough" an Serb for Serbs ...

and what can creep and sneak beyond demographic sensus, only good Lord knows ...

not for judging but only givving the fact...
You see, in some way ,Serbs aren't so strong in their nationalism ...
We touched touchy one ...:thumbs up ( topic)

[Panopticon]

I don't know, but her pigmentation is strange. I don't say she is pure Gypsy, but maybe she has a bit of influence.

Without 2 hours of tanning I'd bet she'd be as pigmented as the average Serb, who aren't exactly Scandinavians either. However, I think she looks Bulgarian in her older pictures.

[Himera]

Before plastic surgeries:
http://ringtonegg.com/wp-content/uploads/y1mbezsk-h3W8PNU2KliWyO20-eKVjvY0Y3gcsJMckhC7T-BX_zIqmxBz9ei2yLVLD6RWLk6YwB5ymlHwL0dGYIi0xb4VUq5p WNan9u38_a_M9b3zay3O3dnw10yVLy7Bhja7Y_orrMBQxoN0uF iy1WZA.jpeg

http://www.limundo.com/slika-Ceca-Velickovic-Ceca--2928982x640.jpg

Btw, she doesn't look to have Gipsy influence, being a bit exotic doesn't necessarily mean that you're a Gipsy.

She looks like your Adelina Ismaili

Oh how I cry for good , pureexotic gipsies with warm temper and sensibile souls , wish they are still as they are ,,but no
this is filthy mixed who know what with who s(cum) , common among south Serbia, Macedonia, Vlashka ,Albania ...
bird -faces and dirty, hard make - up women ...
It is well known like " ni motkom pipnuti" ...and I will add "gonoreja ladies" ...

[Portukalos]

The war is declared or what ! LOL

[Ushtari]

Why would Zeljko Arkan marry a gypsy and then engage in ethnic cleansing in Serbia?!
Because gypsies are considered as "brothers" by Serbs.


Most notable is the Serbian Radical Party's overall positive treatment of Serbian minorities, especially Roma (Gipsy) minorities which they consider to be part of the Serbian nation and "Brothers of us Serbs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacionalni_stroj

[Himera]

The war is declared or what ! LOL

why and between who ?

[Hess]

She's not worthy of being a Serb because all Serbs have platinum Blonde hair, sapphire blue eyes, and paper white skin :thumb001:

[Panopticon]

She looks like your Adelina Ismaili

Oh how I cry for good , pureexotic gipsies with warm temper and sensibile souls , wish they are still as they are ,,but no
this is filthy mixed who know what with who s(cum) , common among south Serbia, Macedonia, Vlashka ,Albania ...
bird -faces and dirty, hard make - up women ...
It is well known like " ni motkom pipnuti" ...and I will add "gonoreja ladies" ...

http://krajnc73.blog.siol.net/files/2008/02/adelina-ismajli-008.jpg

They don't look very similar tbh, they're quite similar concerning behaviour though. Btw, your comment about the mixing of locals with Gypsies in Southern Serbia, Macedonia, Vlashka and Albania is quite ignorant.

[Panopticon]

She's not worthy of being a Serb because all Serbs have platinum Blonde hair, sapphire blue eyes, and paper white skin :thumb001:

Typical Serbian woman:
http://d.yimg.com/news.aunz.yimg.com/xp/cosmos/20080213/13/923892714.jpg

Typical Serbian male:
http://freespace.virgin.net/p.crowley2/Nordic_race.jpg
Ignore the German language, believe me, he's Serb.

[Portukalos]

why and between who ?
Labrador and Kosovo ze Sjrbia

[Himera]

She's not worthy of being a Serb because all Serbs have platinum Blonde hair, sapphire blue eyes, and paper white skin :thumb001:

They are not all blonds with sapphire blue eyes , butI know some of them who are ..

She is only vulgar .., about her, it is not question of being or not a Serb ...

I know who I am .... people can do what they want with their expresion of nationality , it is their right ...

Anything else ? :)

[Himera]

http://krajnc73.blog.siol.net/files/2008/02/adelina-ismajli-008.jpg

They don't look very similar tbh, they're quite similar concerning behaviour though. Btw, your comment about the mixing of locals with Gypsies in Southern Serbia, Macedonia, Vlashka and Albania is quite ignorant.

I don't know what to say , maybe cause you feel them so familiar and you r not capable anymore to recognize them ???

:confused::p

[Himera]

why and between who ?

there is no need ...

[Hess]

I know who I am .... people can do what they want with their expresion of nationality , it is their right ...

Anything else ? :)

:confused: I never said anything about you personally

and I couldn't quite understand the rest of what you said. :shrug:

[Himera]

:confused: I never said anything about you personally

and I couldn't quite understand the rest of what you said. :shrug:

You have too :p

[Ushtari]

I don't know what to say , maybe cause you feel them so familiar and you r not capable anymore to recognize them ???

:confused::p
How about this serbian warrior?

http://i56.tinypic.com/2db9rgh.jpg

[Panopticon]

I don't know what to say , maybe cause you feel them so familiar and you r not capable anymore to recognize them ???

:confused::p

I took the most flattering photo I could find of Ceca:
http://tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/large_image-1.jpg

http://krajnc73.blog.siol.net/files/2008/02/adelina-ismajli-008.jpg
They don't look similar at all.

Btw, as we're talking about Adelina Ismajli, here's a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PC7OlXTX0
I used to listen to it as a kid as I liked it. Elita 5 (the band) is a respectable group btw.

[Himera]

I took the most flattering photo I could find of Ceca:
http://tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/large_image-1.jpg

http://krajnc73.blog.siol.net/files/2008/02/adelina-ismajli-008.jpg
They don't look similar at all.

Btw, as we're talking about Adelina Ismajli, here's a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PC7OlXTX0
I used to listen to it as a kid as I liked it. Elita 5 (the band) is a respectable group btw.


Better take the real one ...
Why do you inpute some racing - look of nationalities ?
You didn't realize the point ?

[Panopticon]

Better take the real one ...
Why do you inpute some racing - look of nationalities ?
You didn't realize the point ?

They still aren't looking similar to each other, I don't see where you're seeing the similarities. I'm not making generalisations about Serbs and their looks, I along with Hess were saying that Serbs aren't that light and that Ceca isn't that dark. I at least think this was what you meant? :confused:

[hajduk]

I also don't think Ceca has gypsy admixture unlike Tanja Savic
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/radafatale/Love_Tanja_Savic/tanjasavic1.jpg

[Himera]

They still aren't looking similar to each other, I don't see where you're seeing the similarities. I'm not making generalisations about Serbs and their looks, I along with Hess were saying that Serbs aren't that light and that Ceca isn't that dark. I at least think this was what you meant? :confused:

Yes ...Serbs aren't scandinavian light generally ( as you know !) ...
and she is not so dark ....I dídn't talk about her pigmenation ....that was someone else
I was telling that Ceca and Adelina are from the same "pop culture", too me , it is quite enough for similarity ...:rolleyes:

[Panopticon]

Yes ...Serbs aren't scandinavian light generally ( as you know !) ...
and she is not so dark ....I dídn't talk about her pigmenation ....that was someone else
I was telling that Ceca and Adelina are from the same "pop culture", too me , it is quite enough for similarity ...:rolleyes:

I see. I'm sorry but it can be quite difficult to understand you, as Maxitno had said, you'd be easier to understand if you spoke Serbian :D

[Himera]

You are more closer with USA english speakers ...
What I can say? ...:p
You are better ..:wink

[Himera]

I also don't think Ceca has gypsy admixture unlike Tanja Savic
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/radafatale/Love_Tanja_Savic/tanjasavic1.jpg

They have what they have ....
:rolleyes2:

Free wish anyway

[Himera]

You are more closer with USA english speakers ...
What I can say? ...:p
You are better ..:wink

Nesto mi mrsko ...;D

[Black Sun Dimension]

Doesnt look serbian to me. Very ugly woman; she probably has non-european admixture.

But this I can see the real purpose behind this thread: pathetic cheap-shooting.

Fail.

[mymy]

She's not worthy of being a Serb because all Serbs have platinum Blonde hair, sapphire blue eyes, and paper white skin :thumb001:

No, Serbs are far from that. Nobody said Serbs are blond and blue-eyed.
However, she is uglier than Serbian average really.


http://krajnc73.blog.siol.net/files/2008/02/adelina-ismajli-008.jpg

They don't look very similar tbh, they're quite similar concerning behaviour though. Btw, your comment about the mixing of locals with Gypsies in Southern Serbia, Macedonia, Vlashka and Albania is quite ignorant.

That Albanian singer is even much prettier than Ceca. I don't know what she sings, but looking at her style, probably not much good music.


Doesnt look serbian to me. Very ugly woman; she probably has non-european admixture.

But this I can see the real purpose behind this thread: pathetic cheap-shooting.

Fail.


She is ugly. About admixture, it looks to me that she had Dinaric and Med, but on some pics looks like women from India or something.

[Panopticon]

Nesto mi mrsko ...;D

:confused:

[Mordid]

I think Mymy's talking about her facial features, not pigmentation. I agree that she does look puesdo Gypsy. I'd expect her to have Gypsy ancestry or something...

[kvarc]

there`s a rumor over here that her mother is a gypsy, or some sort of half - gypsy, don`t know if it`s true or not

[Sorab]

there`s a rumor over here that her mother is a gypsy, or some sort of half - gypsy, don`t know if it`s true or not
Could be .She resembled (before the surgeries) Funta Luga (Izvorinka Milosevic) Vlach-Romanian singer from eastern Serbia .So she could have some ancestry from there beside the fact ive seen similar women to Cecas appearance in eastern Serbia among the Vlach communities .
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3852/p175m.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/p175m.jpg/)
some of her early work
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Vlachs from Majdanpek eastern Serbia
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[Midori]

Could be .She resembled (before the surgeries) Funta Luga (Izvorinka Milosevic) Vlach-Romanian singer from eastern Serbia .So she could have some ancestry from there beside the fact ive seen similar women to Cecas appearance in eastern Serbia among the Vlach communities .


Vlachs don't look like Gypsies :confused::picard2:

[Sorab]

Vlachs don't look like Gypsies :confused::picard2:
Where did i wrote that they do ?

[kvarc]

Ceca is by the way from an uber - dinaric part of Serbia, which is kinda interesting considering her looks

[Midori]

Where did i wrote that they do ?

When kvarc said Ceca's mother could be a Gypsy, you said it's possible because you've seen Vlachs that look like her. So you implied that Vlachs look like Gypsies.

Anyway I don't think Ceca has Gypsy ancestry, she's just plastic and overtanned.

[Sorab]

When kvarc said Ceca's mother could be a Gypsy, you said it's possible because you've seen Vlachs that look like her. So you implied that Vlachs look like Gypsies.

Anyway I don't think Ceca has Gypsy ancestry, she's just plastic and overtanned.
I said its possible but i prefer the other option of having Vlach ancestry .
Kvarc i dont know which definition of Dinarid you mean (Dinarid proper Adritatid ,Norid ,Dinaroid or dinarization as a separate process)but southeastern Serbia (Zitoradja) is not such area .Uber Dinarid areas are parts of Montenegro ,Hercegovina,Lika ,Dalmacija .

[kvarc]

I said its possible but i prefer the other option of having Vlach ancestry .
Kvarc i dont know which definition of Dinarid you mean but southeastern Serbia (Zitoradja) is not such area .Uber Dinarid areas are parts of Montenegro ,Hercegovina,Lika ,Dalmacija .

Zitoradja is in Toplica, which is famous for being Dinarid, and for some reason people on forums forget that often

[Midori]

I said its possible but i prefer the other option of having Vlach ancestry .

But Vlachs don't look exotic in general, they look like regular Balkanites.

[Sorab]

I agree to an extent but u must know that there are many sub-group of Vlachs in Balkans and they vary in looks .It depends which Roman-Latin influence they absorbed (from Roman colonization ,Legions etc) and in what proportions .Term Balkanite is too far streched in my opinion .

[kvarc]

But Vlachs don't look exotic in general, they look like regular Balkanites.

they are actually a very diverse group, as far as I have seen

[Midori]

I agree to an extent but u must know that there are many sub-group of Vlachs in Balkans and they vary in looks .It depends which Roman-Latin influence they absorbed (from Roman colonization ,Legions etc) and in what proportions .Term Balkanite is too far streched in my opinion .


they are actually a very diverse group, as far as I have seen

Their place of origin is supposedly Southern Romania (Wallachia) but no one knows for sure.

[Sorab]

Zitoradja is in Toplica, which is famous for being Dinarid, and for some reason people on forums forget that often
Maybe the Dinarid input is greater in comparison to surrounding areas due to repopulation from Montenegro (Kursumlija ,Prokuplje ) in recent times but other types are stronger there in my opinion especially among the never generations .The seniors seem to be more brachycephalic Dinarids in comparison to newer generations .

[Sorab]

Their place of origin is supposedly Southern Romania (Wallachia) but no one knows for sure.
Cincars (Aromanians)for example originate from Moskopolje .They are believed to be descendants of Roman fifth legion .

[kvarc]

Maybe the Dinarid input is great in comparison to other surrounding areas due to
repopulation from Montenegro (Kursumlija ,Prokuplje ) in recent times but other types are stronger in my opinion especially among the never generations .The seniors seem to be more brachycephalic Dinarids in comparison to newer generations .

recent times, like 150 years ago :D

people I knew from there were very dinaric, I think they are also shown as dinarics on some antropology maps, and don`t forget they were the best soldiers in WWI ( Gvozdeni puk ), you know dinaric hero stuff :D

[kvarc]

Their place of origin is supposedly Southern Romania (Wallachia) but no one knows for sure.

most of them probably came from there around 200 years ago, give or take, to repopulate parts of Serbia which were left depopulated in wars with the Turks.....but there origins can very greatly some of them are even Serbs, who got romanised in the begining of 19th century probably, and who knows maybe some of them really are domestic romanised balkans who where there since Roman times... there are 3 groups of Vlachs in Serbia as far as I remember,

[Sorab]

recent times, like 150 years ago :D

people I knew from there were very dinaric, I think they are also shown as dinarics on some antropology maps, and don`t forget they were the best soldiers in WWI ( Gvozdeni puk ), you know dinaric hero stuff :D
And more recent times dont forget .Yes older people there tend to display some Dinarid warrior features but leaning towards Norid-Nordid or Borreby in terms of pigmentation and stature.Lots of blonds around Prokuplje also contrary to the belief that north is blonder in Serbia .

[Sorab]

most of them probably came from there around 200 years ago, give or take, to repopulate parts of Serbia which were left depopulated in wars with the Turks.....but there origins can very greatly some of them are even Serbs, who got romanised in the begining of 19th century probably, and who knows maybe some of them really are domestic romanised balkans who where there since Roman times... there are 3 groups of Vlachs in Serbia as far as I remember,
There are Carani, Ungurjani, Muncani and Bufani in eastern Serbia .And yes some are basically Romanized Serbs in pockets of northeastern Serbia living along with settlers from Romania .

[kvarc]

And more recent times dont forget .Yes older people there tend to display some Dinarid warrior features but towards Norid-Nordid or Borreby in terms of pigmentation and stature.Lots of blonds around Prokuplje also contrary to the belief that north is blonder in Serbia .

they are good ( or bad ) at politics, zoran djindjic, dragoljub micunovic, slobodan vuksanovic, dragan sutanovac, vuk obradovic, ivica dacic, aleksandar tijanic all came from Toplica :D

[Sorab]

Meni licno je najbliza istini tvrdnja da Vlah u stvari potice od naziva Volos-Volosi kako su nekad nazivani Rimljani .
Man i completely forgot about Vuk Obradovic lol .

[kvarc]

Meni licno je najbliza istini tvrdnja da Vlah u stvari potice od naziva Volos-Volosi kako su nekad nazivani Rimljani .
Man i completely forgot about Vuk Obradovic lol .

hehe ma ko se njega jos seca :D

sta li je djindjic antropoloski? moracu da ga okacim na "taxonomy" :D

[Rastko]

All Orthodox Christians are considered Vlach

[Sorab]

Maybe in your book but reality is different .Term Vlach can have different meaninings and connotation .During ottomans Vlach stood for all Orthodox Christians regardless of background later adopted by some propagandists .Originally it was for Roman-Latin population in the Balkans (still present in Romania ,eastern Serbia etc).In medieval Serbia Vlach stood for shepherds and herdsman Caste .So many manipulated with this according to need.
Regarding Catholic sources heres one from Catholic encyclopedia

"Population

According to the census of 22 April 1895, Bosnia has 1,361,868 inhabitants and Herzegovina 229,168, giving a total population of 1,591,036. The number of persons to the square mile is small (about 80), less than that in any of the other Austrian crown provinces excepting Salzburg (about 70). This average does not vary much in the six districts (five in Bosnia, one in Herzegovina). The number of persons to the square mile in these districts is as follows: Doljna Tuzla, 106; Banjaluka, 96; Bihac, 91; Serajevo, 73, Mostar (Herzegovina), 65, Travnik, 62. There are 5,388 settlements, of which only 11 have more than 5,000 inhabitants, while 4,689 contain less 500 persons. Excluding some 30,000 Albanians living in the south-east, the Jews who emigrated in earlier times from Spain, a few Osmanli Turks, the merchants, officials. and Austrian troops, the rest of the population (about 98 per cent) belong to the southern Slavonic people, the Serbs. Although one in race, the people form in religious beliefs three sharply separated divisions: the Mohammedans, about 550,000 persons (35 per cent), Greek Schismatics, about 674,000 persons (43 per cent), and Catholics, about 334,000 persons (21.3 per cent). The last mentioned are chiefly peasants. The Mohammedans form the mass of the population in the region called the Krajina in the north-west, in the district of Serajevo and in the south-eastern part of the territory; the Greek Schismatics preponderate in the district of Banjaluka. The Catholics of the Latin Rite exceed the other two denominations only in the district of Travnik and in northern Herzegovina. There are in addition 8,000 Jews and 4,000 Protestants. Divided according to occupation 85 per cent of the population are farmers or wine-cultivators (1,385,291). There are 5,833 large estates, the owners of which are chiefly Mohammedans, 88,970 cultivators of land not their own (kmeten), 88,867 free peasants who own the land they till, and 22,625 peasants who own farming-land and also cultivate the land of others. The population of the towns is small."

[Minesweeper]

She looks partly Gypsy.

However, I'm not sure, it might be due to her plastic surgeries, make-up and Photoshoped pictures, etc. She does not give such a Gypsy vibe on her early pictures.

[Partizan]

I think she has more Turanid admix than Gypsy.Those cheekbones and eyes show so.

Med+Alpine+slight Turanid.

Not all tanned people are gypsies BTW :)

[blabla]

She looks very gypsy to me
http://cache.burek.com/2012/31/2232410_ceca-top-hill-vukosava.jpeg

[kvarc]

ThfgsF1FOAA

she kinda looks dinaric/pontid or med here

[Sorab]

I think she has more Turanid admix than Gypsy.Those cheekbones and eyes show so.

Med+Alpine+slight Turanid.

Not all tanned people are gypsies BTW :)
Gypsies can also show Turanid influences considering the fact that many of them were brought to Balkans by Ottomans as their servants .
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/524/cerkezifoto11.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/cerkezifoto11.jpg/)

[Archduke]

Ceca looks very Serbian to me.

[Lena]

She looks very gypsy to me
http://cache.burek.com/2012/31/2232410_ceca-top-hill-vukosava.jpeg

Here's how she looked like before all plastic surgery...

http://www.pulsonline.rs/data/images/2010-12-07/1998_07_ahf.jpg?ver=1291847318

[Onur]

Gypsies can also show Turanid influences considering the fact that many of them were brought to Balkans by Ottomans as their servants
hehe, where did you get this info?

Gypsies were probably the worst servants ever in the whole world, who tries to deal with gypsies for this? It would probably be better to let a crippled to work as servant rather than gypsies.

Also, when Ottomans came to Balkans, gypsies were already in there. The history of gypsies in Balkans is even older than Ottoman era.

[Dengizik]

Gypsies can also show Turanid influences considering the fact that many of them were brought to Balkans by Ottomans as their servants .


just LOL

here is the answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

[Sorab]

hehe, where did you get this info?

Gypsies were probably the worst servants ever in the whole world, who tries to deal with gypsies for this? It would probably be better to let a crippled to work as servant rather than gypsies.

Also, when Ottomans came to Balkans, gypsies were already in there. The history of gypsies in Balkans is even older than Ottoman era.

heres the info

Naseljavanje Roma na Balkan poklapa se sa turskim osvajanjima. Dugotrajnim zadržavanjem
Turaka na Balkanu objašnjava se dugo i brojno zadržavanje Roma na Balkanu. Kategorizacija
Roma na Balkanu izvršena je u četiri skupine, prema pravcima dolaska na ovo područje, a
iznesena u radu Tihomira Đorđevića “Ko su to Cigani, Naš narodni život”, knjiga IV, Beograd
1932. godine (str. 90 - 119). Ova knjiga je značajna ne samo zato što su je prihvatili brojni
balkanski romolozi, već i zato što pokazuje izvesne razlike u njihovom pravnom položaju.
Prvu skupinu čine Turski Romi, koji su se naselili u Srbiju polovinom XIV veka, u vreme turskih
osvajanja. Iako se izrazom Turski Romi označava grupa Roma dobijena kategorizacijom po
verskom kriterijumu, nisu svi oni koji su u ovom periodu doseljeni u Srbiju, islamske
veroispovesti. Među njima se razlikuju dve grupe: Gažikano Romi (srpski Romi), koji su
zaboravili kada su se doselili i koji su često prihvatali hrišćanstvo i Korane Romi (Kuranski
Romi), koji su uglavnom islamske veroispovesti. Oni održavaju tradiciju romskog govora u
međusobnoj komunikaciji. Turski Romi su imali bolji položaj od ostalih romskih skupina.
Pripadnici srodnih zanimanja osnivali su naselja i stalno se naseljavali u njima. Romi koji su
primili islam uživali su veća prava od hrišćanskih Roma.
Drugu romsku skupinu čine Beli Romi, koji su u Srbiju došli iz Bosne i naselili se uglavnom u
Podrinju. Beli Romi u Srbiji su uglavnom vezani za naselja, te nisu pokazivali sklonost ka
nomadskom načinu života. Pretežno su islamske veroispovesti. Za razliku od Turskih Roma, Beli
Romi su uglavnom zaboravili romski jezik i govore srpski.
Vlaški Romi su se u Srbiju doselili iz Rumunije. Prvi put se pominju u pisanim izvorima 1370.
godine. Neizvesno je, ali ima elemenata za zaključak da su njihovi potomci najbrojnija romska
skupina u Srbiji. Jedan broj Roma iz ove skupine bio je bez stalnog mesta prebivanja, baveći se
zanimanjima koja omogućavaju stalno premeštanje (putovanje), dok je manjina Roma doseljenih
iz Rumunije, dok je boravila u Rumuniji imala položaj robova koji su radili na manastirskim i
plemićkim posedima. Ropstvo Roma u Rumuniji ukinuto je tek 1856. godine. Verovatno se
ropskom položaju jednog broja Roma u Rumuniji ima pripisati činjenica da je najveći migracioni
talas Roma doseljen iz Rumunije u Srbiju oko 1690. godine. Vlaški Romi se ponekad nazivaju
iKaravlasi. Gotovo svi su pravoslavne vere, govore uglavnom srpski, a neke skupine srpski i
rumunski jezik.
Najzad, četvrta skupina Roma doselila se u Srbiju iz Austrougarske i nazivaju se Mađarski ili
Banatski Romi. Njihov dolazak u Srbiju povezan je sa trgovinom konjima. Jednom uredbom iz
1884. godine ovim Romima je bio zabranjen ulazak u Srbiju, što se objašnjavalo činjenicom da
nisu želeli da se stalno nastanjuju .

http://www.osvit.org/files/Romi-%20brosura%20.pdf

"Položaj Roma u vreme turske vladavine Srbijom
Prisustvo mnogobrojnih skupina Cigana hrišćana na Balkanu ,u prvim decenijama turske vlasti nedvosmisleno ukazuje da njihov masovni dolazak ne treba vezati za turska osvajanja. Ostaje medjutim van spora da je izvestan broj Cigana muslimana stigao na balkanske prostore upravo s Turcima. Tako na primer za Cigane muslimane u Beogradu, izričito se navodi da tu stanuju od "vremena carskog osvojenja". Medju njima je veliki broj islamizovanih i zbog toga je veoma teško preciznije utvrditi brojčani odnos ove dve grupe Cigana u Srbiji na osnovu verske pripadnosti . Daleko značajnije pitanje od broja Cigana koji je došao s Turcima Osmanlijama je svakako pitanje njhovog mesta i uloge u osmanskom feudalnom društvu. Široko oslonjeno na lako pokretljive maloazijske nomade i balkanske stočarske skupine ovo društvo je, znači, i nomade Cigane vrlo lako moglo uklopiti u svoj sistem. Utoliko lakše što je veoma oskudevalo u zanatlijama koji se bave preradom metala. Cigani su, kako muslimani tako i hrišćani, upravo zahvaljujući svojim veštiniama zauzeli relativno značajno mesto u osmanskom feudalnom društvu pa se njihov položaj zbog toga veoma razlikuje od odnosa prema njiima, u evropskim zemljama. Pored toga što ih u velikom broju uključuje u razne državne službe- uglavnom kao zanatlije i tako ih čini korisnim članovima, osmanska vlast im dozvoljava i relativne slobode. Iako država iz fiskalnih razloga nastoji da veže Cigane za jedno mesto, ipak, u odredjenim situacijama - a pošto bi namirili svoje obaveze prema državi - oni su mogli imati izvesnu slobodu kretanja, posebno se to moglo odnositi na zanatlije. Zapravo, oni se slobodno kreću unutar odredjenih kadiluk, a naseljavaju u znatnom broju i gradska naselja. Na osnovu brojnih svedočanstva iz toga vremna, konstatujemo da su Romi u vreme vladavine Turaka Srbijom, uživali brojna gradjanska prava koja im nisu bila da učestvuju u privrednim delatnostima, samostalno su uredjivali svoj,društveni, kulturni a posebno privatni život,i niko nije imao pravo da im se u to meša."

http://www.romamuseum.rs/oromima.html

[kvarc]

Ceca looks very Serbian to me.

no way hose :D

[Boiorix]

She is part gipsy, that is well known fact.

[beaver]

She is not Russian and she is a fool.

[Archduke]

no way hose :D

OK slavic bro :D

[Sultan Suleiman]

She looks like Ashina in some pics.

[Onur]

heres the info
I couldn't read the most of it since i cant read in Serbian.

I know your mentality, i wouldn't be surprise if you guys think like Turks brought mosquitoes and cockroaches to Balkans for the first time but it`s quite certain that gypsies came to Balkans no later than 11th century and this is before the Ottoman era. Gypsy people was already in Balkans when the Ottoman authorities started to write their Balkan history in late 14th century. Also there was no multiple waves of gypsy migration at all because there is not even single Ottoman era document which mentions about that but all documents mentions about gypsies as the locals of Thrace, Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Tough they might have migrated to northern Balkans and central Europe as the Ottoman empire enlarged it`s territories up to Austria. This is possible.

[Sorab]

Actually i dont see Turks in a negative light viewing some aspects of their conquest and rule.During the Ottoman rule Serbs preserved their faith ,traditions and race much better in comparison to eras afterwards .
Heres google translate
The settlement of the Balkan Roma coincides with the Turkish conquest. Long-term retention of
Turks in the Balkans is explained by the long and the numbers keep Roma in the Balkans. Categorization of
Roma in the Balkans was carried out in four groups, according to the directions of arrival to this area, and
expressed in this paper Tihomir Djordjevic, "Who are the Gypsies, Our National Life," Book IV, Belgrade
1932nd year (p. 90 - 119). This book is significant not only because it was adopted by many
romolozi Balkans, but also because it shows some differences in their legal position.
The first group consists of Turkish Roma, who settled in Serbia in mid-fourteenth century, during the Turkish
conquest. Although the Turkish term for a group of Roma is obtained by categorization in
religious criteria, not all those who at this period settled in Serbia followed the Islamic
religion. Among them there are two different groups: Gažikano Roma (Serbian Gypsies), who
forgot where they came from and who often embraced Christianity and Korana Roma (Qur'an
Roma), who are mostly Muslim religion. They keep the tradition of the Roma language among
each other. Turkish Roma have had a better position than other Roma groups.
Members of related professions have formed a permanent settlement and settled in them. Roma who
converted to Islam enjoyed more rights than Christian Roma.
The second group consists of White Roma Gypsies, who came to Serbia from Bosnia and settled mainly in
Podrinje. White Roma in Serbia are mainly related to the settlement, and showed no tendency to
nomadic way of life. Predominantly Islamic religion. Unlike the Turkish Roma, White
Roma largely forgotten Romany language and speak Serbian.
Vlach Roma were moved to Serbia from Romania. It was first mentioned in written sources 1370th
year. It is uncertain, but there are reasons to believe that their descendants, the largest Roma
groups in Serbia. A number of Roma in this group was without a permanent place of residence, in dealing with
occupations that provide a permanent move (travel), while the Roma minority immigrants
from Romania, while Romania had stayed in the position of slaves who worked on the monastery and
noble estates. Roma slavery in Romania was abolished only 1856th year. Probably the
servitude of a number of Roma in Romania is attributed to the fact that the largest migration
wave of Roma immigrants from Romania to Serbia around 1690. year. Vlach Roma that settled are sometimes called
Karavlasi. Almost all of the Orthodox faith, generally speaking Serbian, and some groups speak Serbian and
Romanian.
Finally, the fourth group of Roma moved to Serbia from Austria-Hungary and the Hungary and are called
Banat Roma. Their arrival in Serbia is linked to trade with horses.

Regarding mixing
У вези са тим, позната је пропаганда хрватске историографије, која србски народ покушава представити као "производ турско-фанариотске реторте", желећи тиме да искаже како Срби наводно у највећем делу свога расног бића, нису Словени па чак ни Индоевропљани.

Такве, ничим аргументоване бесмислице, које потичу од искомплексираних србомрзачких "научника" који услед ништавности сопствене "националне" идеје, покушавају кривотворити србску, убедљиво је разобличавао један од највећих србских интелектуалаца протеклог века, Лазо М. Костић, у свом изванредном делу "Образовање и одржање српске нације" позивајући се на мноштво релевантних докумената, односно записа познатих европских историчара и других научника који су се бавили историјом ових балканских подручја. Па тако, о наводном крвном мешању Срба са турским окупатором, Костић пише следеће:
"Срби су се најчишће расно и ментално одржали под Турцима... сви страни писци од угледа истичу колико је баш српско ропство под Турцима њему послужило и помогло да одржи своју етничку чистоту. Срби су тада били просторно изолирани, а та изолираност се показала као оклоп који није пуштао стране утицаје на српски народ." [16]

Тим поводом, Костић цитира мноштво немачких, француских и других углавном западних аутора, чији су списи међусобно сагласни у ставу да су Срби махом били сасвим изоловани од турског окупатора.
Па тако, немачки историчар Јохан Лангер, у једној расправи издатој од стране Бечке академије наука, пише следеће: "Оно што је у Енглеској, Француској и другде било могуће, да се ранији становници стопе са усељеним завојевачима у једну нацију, то је било неизводљиво у Турској... Њихово порекло (турско), њихов низак културни ступањ, њихова дивљаштина, а надасве вера, довели су их у неизгладиву противност ка хришћанским становницима њихова царства.." [17]

Пруски гардијски официр Ото Пирх, који је 1829. године посетио Србију, овако је писао о последицама србског робовања под Турцима: "Уништење је било заиста политичко, али не морално, не физичко. Царство српско је било пропало, али не народ. Како се, пак, може један народ вековима одржати без политичке егзистенције? Овде су наишле надасве повољне околности.
Физичко одржање нације, било је могуће начином како су Турци држали земљу... То није била државина (посед) турског народа, турских сталних становника у маси, већ увек само турске војне власти." [18]

Француски историчар Ернст Дени, писао је такође на ову тему:
"Доминација муслимана, дивља и крвава, била је мање продорна и мање наједајућа (нагрзајућа) него подмукла предусетљивост осталих непријатеља, који, нападајући народну душу неумољивом инфилтрацијом, угрожаваху расу апсорбовањем и уништењем... Срећом, тврдоћа народа је добра, и на овом опором металу страна киселина не нагриза тако лако." [19]

Швајцарски пуковник и познати војни писац В. Ристов, такође је писао о животу балканских народа у турском ропству: "Сама околност да су се Турци концентрисали у градовима била је за цивилизацију утолико пробитачна што су хришћанска племена на балканском полуострву сачувала своју народност прилично чисто и увек су се могла сматрати потпуно одвојена од њихових господара и угњетача." [2

Па тако, немачки историчар Јохан Лангер, у једној расправи издатој од стране Бечке академије наука, пише следеће: "Оно што је у Енглеској, Француској и другде било могуће, да се ранији становници стопе са усељеним завојевачима у једну нацију, то је било неизводљиво у Турској... Њихово порекло (турско), њихов низак културни ступањ, њихова дивљаштина, а надасве вера, довели су их у неизгладиву противност ка хришћанским становницима њихова царства.." [17]

Пруски гардијски официр Ото Пирх, који је 1829. године посетио Србију, овако је писао о последицама србског робовања под Турцима: "Уништење је било заиста политичко, али не морално, не физичко. Царство српско је било пропало, али не народ. Како се, пак, може један народ вековима одржати без политичке егзистенције? Овде су наишле надасве повољне околности.
Физичко одржање нације, било је могуће начином како су Турци држали земљу... То није била државина (посед) турског народа, турских сталних становника у маси, већ увек само турске војне власти." [18]

Француски историчар Ернст Дени, писао је такође на ову тему:
"Доминација муслимана, дивља и крвава, била је мање продорна и мање наједајућа (нагрзајућа) него подмукла предусетљивост осталих непријатеља, који, нападајући народну душу неумољивом инфилтрацијом, угрожаваху расу апсорбовањем и уништењем... Срећом, тврдоћа народа је добра, и на овом опором металу страна киселина не нагриза тако лако." [19]

Швајцарски пуковник и познати војни писац В. Ристов, такође је писао о животу балканских народа у турском ропству: "Сама околност да су се Турци концентрисали у градовима била је за цивилизацију утолико пробитачна што су хришћанска племена на балканском полуострву сачувала своју народност прилично чисто и увек су се могла сматрати потпуно одвојена од њихових господара и угњетача." [20]

Једним од кључних елемената за очување расног идентитета србског народа, како под Турцима тако и под Бечом и Пештом, Костић сматра православну хришћанску веру србског народа, и тим поводом, цитира знаменитог руског византолога Георгија Острогорског:
"У вековима турске владавине беше православна вера Грка, Бугара и Срба израз њихове духовне и народносне посебности, она је сачувала балканске народе од распада у турској бујици." [21]

Поводом улоге православне вере као бране мешању крви србског народа са другим народима у Аустро-Угарској, Лазо Костић, позивајући се на једну студију из 1875. године која је објављена у ондашњем водећем немачком географском часопису, пише:

"И наш народ у Хабзбуршкој монархији, иако антропогеографски испремешан са иноверјем, био је њој духовно стран и са веома мало мешања. Вера га је штитила од мискуитета. Било је нешто претакања Грка и Цинцара односно Влаха у Србе, али процентуално незнатно. Било је и напуштања своје вере и народности. Али они који су остајали у својој вери одржавали су националну, верску и расну чистоту до крајњих граница. Тешко да је иједан народ у монархији тако бдио над овим као Срби" [22]

Што се тиче крвног мешања Срба са другим балканским народима који су живели међу Србима, Костић пише: "У Србији је било мешавине са Грцима и Цинцарима, али само у варошима, и то у много мањим бројним размерама него што се мисли. Али су села остала нетакнута. Ту никакве мешавине са инороднима није било. Нити је било друге вере (ње није било практично ни у варошма), нити је било друге православне народности са којима би се крв измешала. Сва новонасељена лица, била су најчишћи Срби из Рашке, Херцеговине, Босне, Црне Горе, Јужне Србије, Војводине. Мало је где у свету било тако чистог елемента у биолошком погледу...

Француски дипломат и књижевник Рене Мије писао је... поводом пута у Србију између осталог и ово: «Можда нема у Европи расе чистије од сваке мешавине, нити противније свакој смеси... Срби примају радо странце за неко време; али они одстрањују онога ко покушава да се угњезди код њих». [23]

Још један Француз, Ами Буе, као познати етнограф и балканолог, поредећи расни субстрат код Грка и Срба, писао је: "Грчка популација је хетерогена смеса Грка, Арнаута, Словена, Влаха итд... Напротив, Срби из Србије формирају... једну једину компактну масу Словена грчког обреда." [24]
Дакле, старосрбска односно словенска крв, чини главнину расног субстрата србског народа кроз векове до данас. Такву чињеницу признао је и знаменити хрватски слависта Ватрослав Јагић који је у својим "Споменима" писао:
"Мени би било жао да тип српски сасвим пропадне, јер је он чишћи, више славенски него ли наш хрватски."

[Alenka]

Gypsies can also show Turanid influences considering the fact that many of them were brought to Balkans by Ottomans as their servants .
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/524/cerkezifoto11.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/cerkezifoto11.jpg/)Ottomans were Caucasoid people, its possible Gypsies have Turanid influences since India already. Many peoples in North India are Mongoloid influenced.

[Midori]

I've also noticed that many Gypsies display Turanid traits.

[Arbërori]

Oh Ceca, lol.:D

I don't think she has gipsy ancestry, it's just that plastic surgery
& over tanning can literally make you look ''exotic'' + that trashy
turbo-folk style just adds up to the ''gipsy'' stereotype.

[Boiorix]

Gipsy 30% minimum. End of story.

[Smaug]

East-Med + Pontid + Dinarid

[Celine]

Yeah.. Gipsy. :picard1:

http://i47.tinypic.com/205xfyq.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/jqrqlz.jpg

[kvarc]

her father

http://imageshack.us/a/img713/7260/slobodanvelickoviccecin.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img835/3813/30427432.jpg

he doesn`t look gypse, me thinks

[King Claus]

gypsie med with dinaric influences

[Guapo]

I've also noticed that many Gypsies display Turanid traits.

That's because many of ex-Yugo gypsies actually came from Hungary with admixture from there.

[dralos]

perfectly serbian
turanid/dinarid/alpine

[Kalitas]

Looks pred Turanid with slight Pontid influences

[Sisak]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1z4wokk.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2eq3za1.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/10qh45f.jpg

[Behemot]

There was a thread if I remember well
and it requires a pre op. photos :D

[Sisak]

She is part gipsy, that is well known fact.

da li je ona ikad priznala da je Ciganskog porijekla?

[Sisak]

i think she is mix of dinaric and turanid

[kvarc]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26902

[Ira di Dio]

Love her, she's a great specimen for trolling purpose. :thumb001: In the same category as Toto Cutugno and Sergio Busquets.

[Sisak]

new pictures. she is very pretty.
http://i50.tinypic.com/fn5mrd.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/10rl6qd.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/50jic9.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2hgbrcn.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/fo2jko.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/j8of0j.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2rhusew.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/ajw909.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ib2udy.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/34te9sn.jpg

[rashka]

Maybe she saw herself on these anthropology sites and tried to decollagenize her lips. She was much better looking when younger but that doesn't mean she isn't a Vlach.

This is a popular song.
rSuqKiAx1t4

[Sisak]

this is a music video and producers bleached skin of her.

[rashka]

this is a music video and producers bleached skin of her.

I didn't put it to show the color of her skin :rolleyes: but to enjoy her music.

[kvarc]

she really looks half gypsy in some pics :D

[Twistedmind]

Is there any anthroforum without thread about this pyle of sylicon?

[Petersburg]

Her single chest is bigger than my head

[Žołnir]

Her single chest is bigger than my head

LuLz! Btw those who follow her carieer are her chest getting bigger over time? :)

[Twistedmind]

http://www.ceca-site.net/gallery3/var/resizes/Ceca-Mladost-/ceca-mlada-11.jpg?m=1345022394

[dralos]

dinarized indid

[King Claus]

Dinaro-atlantid with gypsie

[Sikeliot]

Used to be beautiful, with all the work done now she looks like a drag queen.

[safinator]

East Med, somewhat dinaricized maybe

[Sisak]

She looks similar to Zita Gorog, Hungarian actress

[Hess]

Dinarid and something else that i can't identify.

trying to classify those who had as much plastic surgery as her is a waste of time.

[Methusalem]

Mediterranid+Cromagno-Alpinoid and dinarid influence. MILF.

[Ushtari]

great milf material



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrFzzz37yE

[Sisak]

great milf material



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrFzzz37yE
She was much prettier in her twenties than when she was younger than 20. Women are the most beautiful in their twenties.

[Moonbird]

The plastic surgeries in her face makes her difficult to classify. But I'd say pred East Med with Alpinoid/Dinaroid influences.

[Ianus]

Dinarid+Pontid

[Smeagol]

Pontid + Alpine + Dinaric.

[Stefan_Dusan]

She looks like Serbian woman, more robust (masculine) than usual. That could be due to plastic surgery.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o20g5Sac7U4

[Arianiti]

She reminds me a bit in this Arabic singer, the female one :p, only that she, arabic one is not fake, but naturally beautiful.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aBxNH6ODc8

[Trun]

She is Cincar, didn't you know :coffee: No true S3rb can look like this.

[Sisak]

Oh man, you really don't like Serbs. Another not so pretty woman.

Med+Dinaric+Gypsy

We don't look like that in general... :rolleyes:

I'm sorry for my behaving, i really don't like that music... As I said, it should be forbidden.

Veoma iznenadjena sam s ovime sto si rekao. Zato sto sam citala drugdje da vi Cecine i Karleusine pjesme zelite "uvesti u citanke u skole" kao najbolju poeziju sto je Srbija ikad imala.

[kvarc]

Veoma iznenadjena sam s ovime sto si rekao. Zato sto sam citala drugdje da vi Cecine i Karleusine pjesme zelite "uvesti u citanke u skole" kao najbolju poeziju sto je Srbija ikad imala.

ti to malo nas zajebavas? :)

[Sisak]

She is turanid + gipsy.

[Sisak]

She looks like Serbian woman, more robust (masculine) than usual. That could be due to plastic surgery.



Masculine face is pretty.

[Szegedist]

Masculine face is pretty.

Feminine faces are preferable on women...

[kvarc]

Ceca at her early teens:

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2705/39k2.jpg

she doesn`t look as the same person as today

[JeanBaMac]

Med+Gypsy, I don't see any Dinaric.

med+dinaric, i don't see any "gipsy" (indid, australoid etc.) ^^
She can easy fit in Northern Italy or Southern Russia, but not in India.

[JeanBaMac]

She reminds me a bit in this Arabic singer, the female one :p, only that she, arabic one is not fake, but naturally beautiful.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aBxNH6ODc8

Not really. Samira Said looks Western Med + Berberid, since Ceca looks more Dinarid.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Dinaro-Pontid+Alpine mix

[Sisak]

good pictures of her when she was young, from the movie Nečista krv:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2nv8ax0.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zpnm8m.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2555545.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/dom5oi.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2nc2yvp.jpg

[Kalimtari]

young Ceca:

http://tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ceca-prvi-nastup.jpg

http://static.kupindoslike.com/CECA-CVETAK-ZANOVETAK_slika_O_966595.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_kLS1j_zo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frvhRjESQ9Y

doesn't look Romani to me

[Kalimtari]

btw, Ceca looks very similar to this Serbian singer (Mira Škorić):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKrdQWN8eUM

http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2012/02/07n/spek-mira-skoric.jpg

http://ceca.rs/wp-content/themes/ceca/images/ceca-i-mira-skoric.jpg
here they're together

[Twistedmind]

Verry similar?
There is Dinarid Nose, and there are breast implants. But not to much of similarity above that.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/uvXZed4EuV4/maxresdefault.jpg

http://s.tf.rs/2012/11/07/CST_3760.jpg

[dralos]

either she is hunnic like many serbs or some serb or serbian girl couldnt resist to fuck with some gypsy this trend is also common in kosova among serbs
example gigolo

[Twistedmind]

either she is hunnic like many serbs or some serb or serbian girl couldnt resist to fuck with some gypsy this trend is also common in kosova among serbs
example gigolo
I think she is similar to you.

[dralos]

I think she is similar to you.
she wished like many servs do as i'm a god for these pathetic creatures

[Twistedmind]

Nah seriously, post your picture and hers, and you will see.

[Kalimtari]

Verry similar?
There is Dinarid Nose, and there are breast implants. But not to much of similarity above that.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/uvXZed4EuV4/maxresdefault.jpg

http://s.tf.rs/2012/11/07/CST_3760.jpg

eye shape (almond shape/Pontic) and skull proportions are indeed very similar. Mira Škorić is hotter though

[dralos]

she looks like a mix of native indian,gypsy and some slav while i look celto-illyrian uber albanian god

[Twistedmind]

she looks like a mix of native indian,gypsy
So do you. No offense.

[dralos]

So do you. No offense.
you're the first to say that due to your butthurtness while you know i'm more uber than your big fat ass

[Twistedmind]

you're the first to say that due to your butthurtness while you know i'm more uber than your big fat ass

Common, dralos, if I am fat, what are you then? :laugh:

[dralos]

Common, dralos, if I am fat, what are you then? :laugh:
thinner than you its simple

[Twistedmind]

thinner than you its simple

If you say so, nope. :rolleyes: In any case, she looks like your sister.

[dralos]

If you say so, nope. :rolleyes: In any case, she looks like your sister.
yeah probably LOL my sister is borreby with norid influences LOL

[Twistedmind]

yeah probably LOL my sister is borreby with norid influences LOL
And yet you look like Ceca.

[dralos]

And yet you look like Ceca.
its your opinion,you creepy old i cant say man since you aint one so i say sissy :D

[Kalimtari]

dayum, you just love insulting each other. And you don't seem to get tired of it.

[Twistedmind]

its your opinion
Lets start topic, does Dralos resemble Ceca. :) I would start it my self, but I am not allowed to post your pics. :)


dayum, you just love insulting each other. And you don't seem to get tired of it.
Why saying someone you resemble some famous person is insult?

[dralos]

Lets start topic, does Dralos resemble Ceca. :) I would start it my self, but I am not allowed to post your pics. :)


Why saying someone you resemble some famous person is insult?
haahahaha you big swarthy child anyway you may open that thread most people know how i look

[Twistedmind]

anyway you may open that thread most people know how i look

And they will say you resemble Ceca. :)

[dralos]

And they will say you resemble Ceca. :)
yes in your dreams

[Roy]

Dinarid + possible Gypsy element responsible for some of her features.

[Kalimtari]

Lets start topic, does Dralos resemble Ceca. :) I would start it my self, but I am not allowed to post your pics. :)


Why saying someone you resemble some famous person is insult?


y u twisting my words?

[CommonSense]

Anyone telling you Serbian women look like Ceca is a moron. Her phenotype shows clear Gypsy influence.

[Moje ime]

Her face now is very changed with botox and make up.

This is how she looked like with 15 years old.

I suspect Gipsy admix as well.

https://ceca.rs/wp-content/themes/ceca/images/ceca-cvetak-zanovetak-1988-omot.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRj_-a4Ny5A2mTJKp6NDXCM8Qteft0aTj7dtii-_ZwV3RlHeA

[Niko23]

Gypsy admixture. She could pass in Kardzhali(Bulgaria) as fully native.

[Moje ime]

Her origin is from southern Serbia.

[Niko23]

Her origin is from southern Serbia.

Yup. She looks more like Bulgarian than Serb to me.

[Tschaikisten]

It's well known that her maternal grandmother is Gypsy.

[Streuner]

Anyone telling you Serbian women look like Ceca is a moron. Her phenotype shows clear Gypsy influence.

LOOOL When an exotic Serbian is posted, they always have to be gypsy. Just admit it there are many exotic Serbians too.
Also, there's no reference to Gypsy ancestry in this woman.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/c1/8b/6dc18b2b82cf183fd089ae206e07af86.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/97ccad7cbbe2d83d578f6e86ea4d638a/tenor.gif?itemid=8140646

http://www.ebritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/189181_10150102410084317_24305674316_6431104_12528 8_n-300x199.jpg

[Dna8]

Ceca looks like my Auntie (but Ceca is more northern shifted).

Going by aesthetics, if Ceca is a Roma, my auntie is from Sri Lanka.

[Dna8]

Oh, and Ceca is a MILF.

[CommonSense]

LOOOL When an exotic Serbian is posted, they always have to be gypsy. Just admit it there are many exotic Serbians too.
Also, there's no reference to Gypsy ancestry in this woman.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/c1/8b/6dc18b2b82cf183fd089ae206e07af86.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/97ccad7cbbe2d83d578f6e86ea4d638a/tenor.gif?itemid=8140646

http://www.ebritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/189181_10150102410084317_24305674316_6431104_12528 8_n-300x199.jpg

The fuck you talking about, someone who earned the title 'Sebian mother' during the degenerate 90s and slobism isn't just going to reveal their true ancestry, because she'll be publically roasted for putting us all to shame! It isn't even something difficult to spot, she looks noticeably more Gypsy and non-European than Aleksandra Prijović who is 1/4 Gypsy:

http://inforsportal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ceca.png

The whole turbo-folk scene is full of people with Gypsy ancestry, since they have always been known as entertainers and musicians and that style of music was originally their own (in Romania it's still regarded as such) until it was incorporated into the Serbian mainstream when societal values collapsed. But you don't know any of that, because you're another revolting sockpuppet talking about something you have zero clue about and trying to darkwash Southern Europe. I'm not sure if you're Krivich, some previously banned Albanian troll, or a random butthurt thrid-worlder, but one thing is for sure - you've overexposed yourself on this one and the more you keep this up, the shorter your stay here will be.

[Pribislav]

LOOOL When an exotic Serbian is posted, they always have to be gypsy. Just admit it there are many exotic Serbians too.
Also, there's no reference to Gypsy ancestry in this woman.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/c1/8b/6dc18b2b82cf183fd089ae206e07af86.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/97ccad7cbbe2d83d578f6e86ea4d638a/tenor.gif?itemid=8140646

http://www.ebritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/189181_10150102410084317_24305674316_6431104_12528 8_n-300x199.jpg

You are sockpuppet of some banned troll. Fuck of from Serbs monkey!

[Mortimer]

I didnt know CeCa is a Gypsy.

[Cumansky]

Dinaro Med Iranid

10/10

[Streuner]

I didnt know CeCa is a Gypsy.

Simply because she isn’t

[HungryLion]

Nice guy whit her on photo ...:thumb001: