Classify Polish King

[Cumansky]

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[cass]

Its better to use authentic portraits of him made in his lifetime then artistic vision od Matejko made 200y later.
https://i.ibb.co/jZTZJ01/john-iii-sobieski.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/zs3NTMB/s1.jpg (https://ibb.co/9nxGkD1)
https://i.ibb.co/pLNqhfS/henri-gascar-portret-rodziny-krola-jana-sobieskiego-belvedere-wieden-2017-07-28-001-530x345.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/J7Fkqpk/so.png (https://ibb.co/3NYhvFh)
https://i.ibb.co/M7jrTST/s3.png (https://ibb.co/0rWTN2N)
https://i.ibb.co/QNVDDPk/3af7f99e0e649aa2c9268b35972050a4.jpg (https://ibb.co/qs8JJNC)

[Cumansky]

How you know what is right photo?

You knew Sobieski in 1600?

[Cumansky]

First version: North Pontid Dinarid

Cass version: Baltid Dinarid

[Cumansky]

Bump

[Dna8]

Going by the painting in the OP, the King looked Dinaric.

[Cumansky]

Going by the painting in the OP, the King looked Dinaric.

I agree, and thanks for your classify

I welcome more opinions..

[The Blade]

Cumansky version: Dinaro-CM + Baltid
Cass version: Baltid + Dinarid

[Phenix]

Baltid + Dinarid.

[cass]

How you know what is right photo?

You knew Sobieski in 1600?
LOL You provided Matejko's painting dated 1890-1892
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poczet_królów_i_książąt_polskich

[Mr.G]

A Dinaro-Baltid blend.

[tipirneni]

Baltid+ Asia Alpine

[pulstar]

True aristocracy, owns all the women on these pictures.

[Cumansky]

Some more guess please

[Cumansky]

True aristocracy, owns all the women on these pictures.

Stfu Khazarov you pussy

[Cumansky]

Bump

[Vožd]

Dinaro-Pontid

[Cumansky]

Baltid+ Asia Alpine

Can you elaborate why Asia Alpine? Thanks

[tipirneni]

Can you elaborate why Asia Alpine? Thanks
There would have been some admix due to victory or as trophy wife with these Tatar & Hordes that tried several times to conquer Russia/Belarus/Ukraine/Poland
https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2016/4/26/93975c56a2994665a62ecb88b12c2bfd_18.jpg

[Dna8]

The King is Dinaric! Long live the King!

[Veslan]

Dinaric + Pontic

Lol at the "+ Baltid" classifications. :rotfl:

[Cumansky]

Dinaric + Pontic

Lol at the "+ Baltid" classifications. :rotfl:

He only look Baltid in second version, I think is a Nordic propaganda, most south Polish we don't look like that

[Hitch]

Dinaric + Pontid

[cass]

He only look Baltid in second version, I think is a Nordic propaganda, most south Polish we don't look like that

LOL The nordic propaganda in XVIIc….
The sources provide excellent descriptions
http://www.wilanow-palac.pl/dosc_wysoki_z_lekka_nadwaga.html

The nobles were also characterized by fair complexion and blond hair. The king himself was the best example of such a type.
Frenchman Jordan Claude wrote: "Poles are generally strong, of medium height, white complexion and light hair with vivid color and gloss ... There is no other nation in Europe that would be better built than Poles

According to another suorce, the king in his youth was "very beautiful, perfectly built very tall and proportionally built", only with time came "immeasurable obesity". His son Aleksander looked similarly, "a tall and well-built young man who looks truly Polish."

His older brother Jakub represented a different type, distinguished by "dark complexion and hair, slim figure and low height, which looks more like a Frenchman or a Spaniard than a Pole. Jakub resembles more his French mother.

[Cumansky]

His mother is Vlach, Zofia Sobieska (Danilowicz). If you want to see Polish Vlach nobles, go to thread Classify Cumansky Dad, he descended from same Szlachta family as Sobieski mother (Szasz Central European Noblility)

[Tauromachos]

He looks quite woggish for a Pole

[Cumansky]

Any more guess?

[cass]

His mother is Vlach, Zofia Sobieska (Danilowicz). If you want to see Polish Vlach nobles, go to thread Classify Cumansky Dad, he descended from same Szlachta family as Sobieski mother (Szasz Central European Noblility)


It seem you are mixing everything dude. The Danilowicz are Ruthenian (Ukrainian) nobles noted since 14c. Probably the name came from Toponym Danilowicze (Belarus) or the first name Danilo.
As high nobles per se they couldn’t be Vlachs (nomadic pastors). Usually genealogist were trying to find the meaning of coat of arms of nobles and present noble family as ancient as possible, the best when they could trace from Roman Emperor. Danilowiczes have the SAS coat of arm- very popular in Ruthenia. There is whole discussion about the meaning of this coat and the legends about its ancestry. You can read it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms
The most popular meaning say that the origin of SAS arms is derived from Transylvanian Saxons.
The Sibenburg is indeed close to Valachia Princiality that’s why you could mix it.
Please note that Danilowicz is just a sure name. Not all of them are nobles.
They could even be Jewish.

[Dna8]

@ OP,

Would you say that the Vlach input into the Polish ethnos is understated?

[cass]

@ OP,

Would you say that the Vlach input into the Polish ethnos is understated?
Vlachs were present in Poland but as a nomadic -pastoralist among peasant carpathian mountainers.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wołosi_w_Polsce

[Regnera]

Dinarized Baltid

[Cumansky]

@ OP,

Would you say that the Vlach input into the Polish ethnos is understated?

Not understate, our genetic hidden entirely by business genetic DNA company from California USA control algorithm

Hungarian 90-100% Eastern Europe and Russia, they assimilated all variety Slavic Balkans cultures..living in Romania..middle age..Central Region..

[Cumansky]

Vlachs were present in Poland but as a nomadic -pastoralist among peasant carpathian mountainers.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wołosi_w_Polsce

Don't talk about my family, who this German Prussian piggy, no facts, what you even talk about just make up stories

[cass]

Don't talk about my family, who this German Prussian piggy, no facts, what you even talk about just make up stories

Can you read in Polish, English?

[Cumansky]

Can you read in Polish, English?

You can read my family name in Szasz noble house, you German rat, you know my great uncle was Prime Minister in 30s..

[cass]

You can read my family name in Szasz noble house, you German rat, you know my great uncle was Prime Minister in 30s..

That's hardly an answer. Its always better to work with the source in its original language.

[Cumansky]

That's hardly an answer. Its always better to work with the source in its original language.

Czy mowicz dobrze po niemecku, wiem wszystko..

[Cumansky]

That's hardly an answer. Its always better to work with the source in its original language.

I tell you what, we can be sure King Sobieski was not a Tronder

[cass]

Czy mowicz dobrze po niemecku, wiem wszystko..

Ok. Its far from fluent, on the border of illiteracy so ahead of you there is a long way to knowledge of your ancestry.

[Cumansky]

That's hardly an answer. Its always better to work with the source in its original language.

Keyboard złamana przepraszam jestem polskim arystokratką mój ojczysty język polski. By the way jestes wiezniakem, send your raw data I make genetic calculators on nMonte Global 25. I can happy inform you more regarding your German ancestors.

[cass]

Keyboard złamana przepraszam jestem polskim arystokratką mój ojczysty język polski. By the way jestes wiezniakem, send your raw data I make genetic calculators on nMonte Global 25. I can happy inform you more regarding your German ancestors.

You should evidently stop using polish publicly. You make a fool of yourself trying to prove someting.

[Satem]

Keyboard złamana przepraszam jestem polskim arystokratką mój ojczysty język polski. By the way jestes wiezniakem, send your raw data I make genetic calculators on nMonte Global 25. I can happy inform you more regarding your German ancestors.

LOL

[Cumansky]

You should evidently stop using polish publicly. You make a fool of yourself trying to prove someting.

Wiezniak

[cass]

Wiezniak

People with an inferiority complex unconsciously react by activating a compensation mechanism. it's obvious to me. You can't offend me, really.

[Cumansky]

People with an inferiority complex unconsciously react by activating a compensation mechanism. it's obvious to me. You can't offend me, really.

Lol Wiezniak Krabat