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KOZAK
02-14-2019, 06:29 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/East_Slavic_tribes_peoples_8th_9th_century.jpg/483px-East_Slavic_tribes_peoples_8th_9th_century.jpg

1 000 B.C
S) Scythians
B) Bosporan kingdom
J) Iazyges
R) Roxolani
Sr) Siraces
M) Maeotians
T) Tauri
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Crimea_2nd_century_BC_map.png

KOZAK
02-14-2019, 06:32 PM
They were also Pontid-mediterranid

Fried
07-23-2022, 10:46 AM
The East-European tribe of the Tiverians of the IX century is rather connected with the Karelian tribe of the Tiverians speaking their own dialect of the Karelian language.

Roy
07-23-2022, 10:51 AM
The East-European tribe of the Tiverians of the IX century is rather connected with the Karelian tribe of the Tiverians speaking their own dialect of the Karelian language.

Despite being so much in the south? I've never read about any Karelians in South Ukraine.

Fried
07-23-2022, 11:45 AM
Despite being so much in the south? I've never read about any Karelians in South Ukraine.

Of course, there are no Karels in modern Ukraine. But in the IX century on this territories there could be some Karelian ethnic groups migrated from the North East Europe in search for better life. For instance, they could migrate from the north to the south together with the Goths or with the early Slavs and later merge with the proto-Ukrainian people in the times of the Kievan Rus.

Russki
07-23-2022, 01:21 PM
Despite being so much in the south? I've never read about any Karelians in South Ukraine.


Migration of Karelians into Ukraine never happened and this guy is too much into pseudo-history.

Fried
07-27-2022, 07:50 PM
Migration of Karelians into Ukraine never happened and this guy is too much into pseudo-history.

There is only way to check it - genetic sequencing of the ancient Tiverians (for example, the Echimăuți site in Moldova).
Among the modern Ukrainians there are about 6% of the haplogroup N associated with the Finno-Ugric/Baltic populations; for comparison, the Hungarians have only 1% , the Romanians and the Slovenians have 0% of N.

Here is a work (in Ukrainian) by Konstantin Tyshchenko
(Kyiv, Ukraine)
"Ukrainian language contacts: Three layers of Finnisms" about Finnisms in the Ukrainian language.
http://ethnic.history.univ.kiev.ua/data/2018/55/articles/4.pdf