German-Brazilian Surnames: State Main Phenotypes Among These Brazilians

[JMack]

The next one will be about Slavic surnames. As in the other ones, they range from 10% German to 100% German, I'm not trying to make a point about Germans but about German-Brazilians. In the case of Germans there are much more individuals who are 100% German than in the case of Italians (most people with Italian surnames in Brazil have other ancestries). People with German ancestry are probably majority in the state of Santa Catarina and important minorities in Rio Grande do Sul, Espírito Santo, São Paulo and Paraná (these people are mostly Northern German). There's also sizeable communities in Rio (mostly Swiss Germans) and Minas Gerais (mostly Austrians and Bavarians).

Even if some of them are supermodels now, they come overwhelmingly from poor rural backgrounds (with few exceptions, like R. Scheidt).


1# Robert Scheidt - Swedish, German and Danish ancestry

http://www.globalpalestras.com.br/img/galeria/PALESTRANTE_26112010_164852.jpg

https://cdn.massanews.com/uploads/noticias/lg-9c9eb64e-1369-4efd-ac23-b892ca31174b.jpg

http://s2.glbimg.com/ev7-zcqiMKbVC9oGu4dgbCsbcYpN0Y4DarRxrhXc98a4Qvf5IBs YPX7yHkOjUxC/s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/original/2012/07/16/olim_scheidt1_reu30.jpg

2# Carlos Hugo Wolff Von Graffen - fully German

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H9wEiU__yVE/Tbm9EdlWJEI/AAAAAAAABJA/d5TgX4Qr2dM/s1600/carlos+hugo.JPG

https://img.comunidades.net/obe/oberekando/TBcarlos_1.jpg

3# Raquel Zimmermann - fully German

http://ris.fashion.telegraph.co.uk/RichImageService.svc/imagecontent/1/TMG7954710/m/Raquel-Zimmermann_1701658a.jpg

https://ogimg.infoglobo.com.br/in/3065978-acb-b59/GEOMIDIA/375/Top-Rachel-Zimmermann-posa-em-Sao-PauloFoto-Marcos-AlvesAgencia-O-Globo.jpg

4# Fiorella Mattheis - German + Italian

https://static.otvfoco.com.br/2014/06/img-309663-fiorella-mattheis.jpg

https://img.estadao.com.br/thumbs/640/resources/jpg/4/2/1490715039324.jpg

5# Ana Cláudia Michels - fully German

https://fotos.caras.uol.com.br/media/images/large/2017/07/20/img-775415-ana-claudia-michels20170720201500592745.jpg

http://www.waymodel.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ana-Claudia-Michels-para-Luli-Martins-11.jpg

6# Cíntia Dicker (Cíntia Schneider Dicker) - fully German

https://i.mdel.net/i/db/2014/12/328004/328004-500w.jpg

https://static.glamurama.uol.com.br/2014/11/1-Cintia-Dicker1.jpg

7# Mariana Weickert (Mariana Müller Weickert) - fully or mostly German

http://static.bolsademulher.com/sites/default/files/styles/big-featured/public/estilo-mariana-weickert.jpg?itok=nzLGtXNo

http://www.diarioonline.com.br/img/noticias/original/destaque-447829-mari-weickert-feature.jpg

8# Ernildo Stein - fully German

https://ressentimento.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/stein.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/553/18847921548_d5ca9d831b_b.jpg

9# Ernesto Geisel - fully German

https://jornalismoibmec.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/ernesto-geisel-1962-64.jpg

http://amazonastemplarios.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ernesto.jpg

10# Astrud Gilberto (Astrud Evangelina Weinert) - half German and half Colonial

https://cfnow.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/maxresdefault-13.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/960x540/p01bqhtw.jpg

11# Fernando Prass (Fernando Büttenbender Prass) - I'm not sure about him but all surnames are German

http://radardabola.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Fernando-Prass-1-611x600.jpg

http://s2.glbimg.com/u5k5bGw0i0BjlTBNRg0lSfqrZXc=/195x0:1476x1665/300x390/s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/original/2016/05/25/hor7472.jpg

12# Alisson Becker (Alisson Ramsés Becker) - German + Colonial

https://p2.trrsf.com/image/fget/cf/460/0/images.terra.com/2018/06/19/2666060-com-apenas-1-ano-a-filha-do-goleiro-da-650x488-3.jpg

https://sm.imgix.net/18/32/alisson-becker.jpg?w=640&h=480&auto=compress,format&fit=clip

13# Alberto Hoffmann - fully German

https://portal.tcu.gov.br/data/files/0B/F6/B8/41/9EBB5510AAE6B5552A2818A8/2005_01_Alberto%20Hoffmann.jpg

http://www2.al.rs.gov.br/memorial/Portals/memorial/img/memoria/Legalidade%2050%20anos/Alberto%20Hoffmann-57.jpg

14# Ana Hickmann - fully German

https://abrilveja.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/woman-power-ana-hickmann-2018-32.jpg

http://static1.purepeople.com.br/articles/5/24/86/5/@/239093-ana-hickmann-esta-completando-10-anos-950x0-3.jpg

[JMack]

15# Andressa Urach (Andressa de Faveri Urach) - German + Italian + Colonial

https://p2.trrsf.com/image/fget/cf/460/0/images.terra.com/2013/09/19/andressa-urach-lancamento-sexy-1.JPG

https://metropolitanafm.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/andressa-urach.jpg


16# Cláudio Winck (Cláudio Winck Neto) - Likely German, Italian and Colonial

https://cdn.record.pt/images/2016-11/img_920x518$2016_11_29_17_28_15_1191019.jpg

http://felipevieira.com.br/site/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Cl%C3%A1udio-Winck.jpg

17# Dunga (Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri) - German and Italian

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55dc72b7e4b0d45265266606/t/59f883bf9140b73d400b1b8f/1509458881593/dunga+3.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2DStojF2xVU/U_SXC4L9KMI/AAAAAAAAKJA/gZa-vgR4WxE/s1600/n_selecao_brasileira_ex_jogadores-8689655.jpeg

18# D. Cláudio Hummes (Cláudio Hummes) - likely only German ancestry

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Hummes2006.jpg

https://p2.trrsf.com/image/fget/cf/940/0/images.terra.com/2013/02/24/domclaudiohummescardealbrasileiroconclavepapaafp03 .jpg

19# Carolina Dieckmann (Carolina Dieckmann Worcman) - probably fully German

https://uploads.metropoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/03174524/Screenshot_232-778x577.jpg

http://static1.purepeople.com.br/articles/5/12/64/15/@/1628750-carolina-dieckmann-da-dicas-de-moda-aos-950x0-5.jpg

20# Marcelo Gleiser - likely German and Colonial or any recent Euro ancestry

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/756816278/PhotoBookLowRes_4669_400x400.jpg

https://www.estudarfora.org.br/app/uploads/2016/11/marcelo-gleiser.png

21# Gleisi Hoffmann (Gleisi Helena Hoffmann) - likely fully or mostly German

https://i1.wp.com/www.polemicaparaiba.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/image40.jpeg

http://www.deolhonews.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Design-sem-nome-4-10.png

22# Gisele Bündchen - fully German, probably the most famous German-Brazilian in the world

http://www.osul.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/gisele_bundchen_b%C3%90_%C3%91_ndchen_actors_1920x 1200_hd-wallpaper-35947.jpg

https://cdn-istoe-ssl.akamaized.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2018/07/gisele-bundchen-1.jpg

[Rouxinol]

Sub-Nordid - e.g. Dunga, Carolina Dieckmann
Pred. Faelid - e.g. Gisele Bundchen
Nordid/Faelid blend - e.g. Ana Hickmann
Alpinid - e.g. Cláudio Winck
Nordeby - e.g. Marcelo Gleiser, Robert Scheidt
Borreby - e.g. Alberto Hoffmann, Ernildo Stein

[Sebastianus Rex]

What about Oscar Schmidt (basketball player) ? German and colonial ancestry I believe.

[JMack]

What about Oscar Schmidt (basketball player) ? German and colonial ancestry I believe.

Yes. His full name is Oscar Daniel Bezerra Schmidt.

[Tooting Carmen]

Most look stereotypical German, except for number 2 (looks French or Italian), number 6 (looks Irish), number 10 (Southern-shifted Euro-mutt), number 11 (looks more Lebanese than quite a few of the Lebanese in the other thread!), number 16 (looks like a light Southern European) and number 17 (another Southern-shifted Euro-mutt).

[JMack]

Most look stereotypical German, except for number 2 (looks French or Italian), number 6 (looks Irish), number 10 (Southern-shifted Euro-mutt), number 11 (looks more Lebanese than quite a few of the Lebanese in the other thread!), number 16 (looks like a light Southern European) and number 17 (another Southern-shifted Euro-mutt).

And you know what is funny? Number 11 is likely fully German (all his surnames and also of his parents are German).

[Sebastianus Rex]

And you know what is funny? Number 11 is likely fully German (all his surnames and also of his parents are German).

That's one of the reasons I always say that Brits are globally lighter and more northern shifted than Germans, contrary to the myth on this forum.

In Germany and Austria you can still see a significant minority of mediterranean, dinaric and alpine types with olive skin. In Britain, in terms of skin pigmentation that is a rarity. Also Germans usually can tan well (even the blonde types) while Brits get sunburns asf (even the dark haired ones).

That guy reminds me Hansi Muller, former German player, who is fully German also.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/9/96/Hansi_Muller.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

That's one of the reasons I always say that Brits are globally lighter and more northern shifted than Germans, contrary to the myth on this forum.

In Germany and Austria you can still see a significant minority of mediterranean, dinaric and alpine types with olive skin. In Britain, in terms of skin pigmentation that is a rarity. Also Germans usually can tan well (even the blonde types) while Brits get sunburns asf (even the dark haired ones).

That guy reminds me Hansi Muller, former German player, who is fully German also.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/9/96/Hansi_Muller.jpg

Don't forget Matts Hummels, Ulf Kirsten, Kevin Volland, Joachim Low, Joschka Fischer, Jonas Kaufmann and Heiko Maas. ;)

[JMack]

That's one of the reasons I always say that Brits are globally lighter and more northern shifted than Germans, contrary to the myth on this forum.

In Germany and Austria you can still see a significant minority of mediterranean, dinaric and alpine types with olive skin. In Britain, in terms of skin pigmentation that is a rarity. Also Germans usually can tan well (even the blonde types) while Brits get sunburns asf (even the dark haired ones).

That guy reminds me Hansi Muller, former German player, who is fully German also.


Agreed. This whole TA shit ''Mats Hummels is exotic and doesn't look German'' is ridiculous. I think Brits are lighter-skinned than Germans but they are way less blonder. Light eyes ratio is probably the same. I know a German guy who is olive skinned but extremely blond and with blue eyes.

I remember when I visited Switzerland German parts I saw a lot of Roger Federer types, the same in Austria. I was regularly mistaken for local there myself.

[Marco94]

Agreed. This whole TA shit ''Mats Hummels is exotic and doesn't look German'' is ridiculous. I think Brits are lighter-skinned than Germans but they are way less blonder. Light eyes ratio is probably the same. I know a German guy who is olive skinned but extremely blond and with blue eyes.

I remember when I visited Switzerland German parts I saw a lot of Roger Federer types, the same in Austria. I was regularly mistaken for local there myself.

Lol that’s true.

My Swiss-German side was darker than my Northern Italian side. They were brown-auburn to dark haired with brown/greenish eyes. They were from the German part of Valais, near the town of Sepp Blatter.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Agreed. This whole TA shit ''Mats Hummels is exotic and doesn't look German'' is ridiculous. I think Brits are lighter-skinned than Germans but they are way less blonder. Light eyes ratio is probably the same. I know a German guy who is olive skinned but extremely blond and with blue eyes.

I remember when I visited Switzerland German parts I saw a lot of Roger Federer types, the same in Austria. I was regularly mistaken for local there myself.

Way less blonder I think it's an exaggeration, I don't think the difference is substantial (if any), Brits are blonder than people here make them. I have some experience with Brits and Germans as well as other european nationalities because I live in a extremely touristic area and see thousands everyday of several origins, there's also large communities of expats here. I have the clear impression that Brits are lighter than Germans overall.

For example, a British School here in Algarve, some are kids ok, but nonetheless see the % of blondes (and many ash blonds) in that group.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipOw01qHwCDdqDeporkTG9zOdWwQVJbxMKvPw5Rk=w1024-k

[JMack]

Way less blonder I think it's an exaggeration, I don't think the difference is substantial (if any), Brits are blonder than people here make them. I have some experience with Brits and Germans as well as other european nationalities because I live in a extremely touristic area and see thousands everyday of several origins, there's also large communities of expats here. I have the clear impression that Brits are lighter than Germans overall.

For example, a British School here in Algarve, some are kids ok, but nonetheless see the % of blondes (and many ash blonds) in that group.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipOw01qHwCDdqDeporkTG9zOdWwQVJbxMKvPw5Rk=w1024-k

I think it depends on which Germans one is talking about. Germans from Austria, Bavaria and Switzerland are likely on par with Brits in hair pigmentation. But West Germans and Northern Germans are certainly much lighter haired.

[JMack]

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[archangel]

Nordid/Faelid with some native mixed types

[JMack]

Nordid/Faelid with some native mixed types

lol

[archangel]

lol

Few of them show native influence to me

[JMack]

Few of them show native influence to me

The regions in which they settled barely had natives for the most part... If anything they would carry black admixture instead of native lol.
It's funny how someone magically start to show native when that person is Brazilian. I think Europeans and others should educate themselves a bit more about Brazil before commenting tbh.

I can see ''native'' influence in Alisson Becker, but maybe it's just Faelid/CM influence anyway.

[lisarb]

The regions in which they settled barely had natives for the most part... If anything they would carry black admixture instead of native lol.
It's funny how someone magically start to show native when that person is Brazilian. I think Europeans and others should educate themselves a bit more about Brazil before commenting tbh.

I can see ''native'' influence in Alisson Becker, but maybe it's just Faelid/CM influence anyway.

alisson colonial?

[Smaug]

Nordid/Faelid with some native mixed types

:rolleyes:

[Kivan]

01. Trønder
02. Alpine + Norid.
03. Corded-Nordid.
04. Trønder.
05. Corded-Nordid.
06. Hallstatt-Nordid.
07. Atlantid.
08. Alpine + Borreby.
09. Alpine + Faelid.
10. Alpine + Atlantid.
11. Dinarid.
12. Atlantid + Brünn.
13. Borreby.
14. Trønder.
15. Atlanto-Med + CM.
16. Alpine.
17. Borreby.
18. Alpine.
19. Atlantid of Nordic predominance + slight Alpinization.
20. Trønder.
21. Borreby + some Faelid.
22. Norid.