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Token
05-08-2019, 12:21 AM
http://machado.mec.gov.br/templates/machado/img/machado.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Machado_de_Assis_1907_aos_67_anos_Est%C3%BAdio_Lui z_Musso_%26_Cia.jpg/220px-Machado_de_Assis_1907_aos_67_anos_Est%C3%BAdio_Lui z_Musso_%26_Cia.jpg

https://imgcdn.portalt5.com.br/O86gi7InjUWWq5J7NeVa3nL_fAc=/400x550/smart/filters:strip_icc()/s3.portalt5.com.br/imagens/Machado-de-Assis.png

Joso
05-08-2019, 12:30 AM
He was mixed, med+some black type

Adamastor
06-07-2019, 02:04 AM
His father was mulatto and his mother Portuguese born in Portugal. Likely mostly Mediterranean with some black influence.

Curious how black activists, history books and even government agencies are labelling him as ''black''.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 09:02 PM
Med + Negroid.

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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-07-2019, 09:15 PM
Clearly more Caucasoid than your average mulato. His traits are more familiar to me than the so called African Caucasoids such as Ethiopians or Somalis.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 09:17 PM
Yeah, to me, the Portuguese is strong in his phenotype, some people used say to he grew a beard in order to mask his black features.

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Drusilla
06-07-2019, 09:23 PM
The Black Activist Movement is currently saying that Machado de Assis has been whitewashed for decades (source (https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/brazils-greatest-writer-black-manwhitewashed-image-decades/)). He was the grandson of freed slaves on his father's side.

I don't know if he's been whitewashed or not, because I always see him being referred to as mulatto.

However, we can agree that Machado de Assis is one of the greatest Portuguese language writers.

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-2.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-1.jpg

Latinus
06-07-2019, 09:27 PM
The Black Activist Movement is currently saying that Machado de Assis has been whitewashed for decades. He was the grandson of freed slaves on his father's side.

I don't know if he's been whitewashed or not, because I always see him being referred to as mulatto.

However, we can agree that Machado de Assis is one of the greatest Portuguese language writers.

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-2.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-1.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/brazils-greatest-writer-black-manwhitewashed-image-decades/Dad was mulatto, mom was white, which makes him whiter/more Euro than the average pardo Brazilian, whose parents are already pardos from many generations.
Summing up: he wasn't white and neither "negão", but was more Euro than SSA. Cry me a river.

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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-07-2019, 09:34 PM
Yeah, to me, the Portuguese is strong in his phenotype, some people used say to he grew a beard in order to mask his black features.

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Nonsense, carrying facial hair was the norm throughout the nineteenth century and the begining of the twentieth century. Shaving your facial hair only became the norm with the introduction of Gillette's U.S. service razor set during WWI. Name any writter from that period and you will see that the majority carried some type of facial hair.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 09:35 PM
Nonsense, carrying facial hair was the norm throughout the nineteenth century and the begining of the twentieth century. Shaving your facial hair only became the norm with the introduction of Gillette's U.S. service razor set during WWI. Name any writter from that period and you will see that the majority carried some type of facial hair.Yeah, that's why that comment bugged me.

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Token
06-07-2019, 10:58 PM
Yeah, to me, the Portuguese is strong in his phenotype, some people used say to he grew a beard in order to mask his black features.

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Machado de Assis European side is strongly Nordid or Nordid-influenced, which might be from where all his geniosity came from.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 10:59 PM
Machado de Assis European side is strongly Nordid or Nordid-influenced, which might be where all his geniosity came from.LOL.

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Token
06-07-2019, 11:02 PM
LOL.

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What is so LOL about what i said? Look at his facial structure dude, few Portuguese (only the Nordic ones) have such orthognathic, finely sculpted face.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 11:03 PM
What is so LOL about what i said? Look at his facial structure dude, few Portuguese (only the Nordic ones) have such orthognathic, finely sculpted face.OK.

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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-07-2019, 11:08 PM
Machado de Assis European side is strongly Nordid or Nordid-influenced, which might be from where all his geniosity came from.

Hopefully you're just being sarcastic.

Token
06-07-2019, 11:14 PM
Hopefully you're just being sarcastic.

OK.
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Let's see if this makes things clearer for you guys...

https://i.imgur.com/fX3ktPb.jpg

Xacal
06-07-2019, 11:24 PM
quadroon

Black Panther
06-07-2019, 11:26 PM
Dad was mulatto, mom was white, which makes him whiter/more Euro than the average pardo Brazilian, whose parents are already pardos from many generations.
Summing up: he wasn't white and neither "negão", but was more Euro than SSA. Cry me a river.

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He was FAR more SSA than the average Pardo who is only 18-20% SSA.

Latinus
06-07-2019, 11:31 PM
Let's see if this makes things clearer for you guys...

https://i.imgur.com/fX3ktPb.jpgHis Euro phenotype is clearly Tuga.

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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
06-07-2019, 11:37 PM
Let's see if this makes things clearer for you guys...

https://i.imgur.com/fX3ktPb.jpg

I would expect that type of anthrotard rethoric from a few other members but not from you to be honest. Your argument is based on assumptions and speculation unless you can actually prove what their parents did look like. What we do know is that his European heritage was Portuguese.

Also, since when having a nordic phenotype is the source of someone's geniosity? Nordic looking Portugueses are not "nordic" genetically, they don't differ from other Portugueses genome-wise.

The nordic man you posted doesn't have any feature that stands out among Portugueses with the exception of being lighter than the average, so saying that those traits only occur among Portugueses with nordid phenotypes is falacious.

For the sake of comparison, I don't have a nordic phenotype by any means yet this is more or less what I would look like if I were blonde and blue eyed. Do you think I couldn't pass convincingly among Germanics in terms of traits?

https://i.imgur.com/1UwpZL4.png

Erronkari
06-07-2019, 11:37 PM
It's more difficult to find the subraces in this kind of mixes, but I think he would be Gracile Mediterranean / Alpinid + Bantuid. Probably in the middle between Quadroon and Mulatto spectrum.

Joso
06-07-2019, 11:48 PM
The Black Activist Movement is currently saying that Machado de Assis has been whitewashed for decades (source (https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/brazils-greatest-writer-black-manwhitewashed-image-decades/)). He was the grandson of freed slaves on his father's side.

I don't know if he's been whitewashed or not, because I always see him being referred to as mulatto.

However, we can agree that Machado de Assis is one of the greatest Portuguese language writers.

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-2.jpg

https://www.africanglobe.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Machado-De-Aassis-1.jpg

You here!
Nice to see you again

Joso
06-07-2019, 11:57 PM
Let's see if this makes things clearer for you guys...

https://i.imgur.com/fX3ktPb.jpg

Cool
Btw, his profile( not a perfect caught profile but still help)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Machado_de_Assis_1904.jpg/250px-Machado_de_Assis_1904.jpg

Adamastor
06-08-2019, 12:29 AM
Cool
Btw, his profile( not a perfect caught profile but still help)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Machado_de_Assis_1904.jpg/250px-Machado_de_Assis_1904.jpg

Looks Cro-Magnon with some SSA influence in the profile.

Smeagol
06-08-2019, 01:37 AM
He was FAR more SSA than the average Pardo who is only 18-20% SSA.

25% is FAR more than 20% to you?

Joso
06-15-2019, 08:01 PM
Looks Cro-Magnon with some SSA influence in the profile.

Don't see it bro

bandeirante
03-02-2020, 07:46 PM
quadroon!

Jingle Bell
02-20-2024, 11:31 PM
Gracile Med + minor SSA, Quadroon.
My favorite brazilian writer of all times

Xacal
02-20-2024, 11:42 PM
Quadroon. Atlanto-Med + SSA