Classify Irish Blogger Grace Mongey

[Grace O'Malley]

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[The Blade]

Brunn.

[Grace O'Malley]

Brunn.

Thank you but why is this Brunn and the woman above? They don't look the same to me.

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[The Blade]

Thank you but why is this Brunn and the woman above? They don't look the same to me.

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For two reasons they don't look exactly the same:
1) each phenotype has some variation
2) sexual dimorphism
Nevertheless, both have large bizygomatic breadth, robust chin (rather deep jaw in the woman) and nose shapes within Brunn range.
The man has a stronger browridge but that's normal when comparing the two sexes.

[Grace O'Malley]

For two reasons they don't look exactly the same:
1) each phenotype has some variation
2) sexual dimorphism
Nevertheless, both have large bizygomatic breadth, robust chin (rather deep jaw in the woman) and nose shapes within Brunn range.
The man has a stronger browridge but that's normal when comparing the two sexes.

Thanks.

The woman to me has a pseudo-Asian appearance which some Irish have. She has more rounded features and her eye shape as well. Just wondered if anyone else thought so?

[Laag]

Thank you but why is this Brunn and the woman above? They don't look the same to me.

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Yes, she's Brunn, but she's closer to North-East Upper Paleolithic and original Cro-Magnon look.

According to Coon there are only two unreduced Upper Paleolithic types. The first one unreduced is Brunn(North-West Upper Paleolithic type) and second one is North-East Upper Paleolithic type.


Coon about NW UP type.

Ireland was first settled in the post-glacial Mesolithic by people of Upper Palaeolithic type coming overland from Scotland. The Mesolithic cultural period was long and full in Ireland, and the subsequent invaders of this westernmost fringe of Europe have been unable to effect a genetic displacement of the strain introduced by the earliest human occupants. This strain has undergone an evolution of its own in Ireland, as the presence side by side of individuals showing various stages and types of change will make clear.


Also Coon said.

During the Late Pleistocene age, the post-glacial Mesolithic cultural period, descendants of Upper Palaeolithic hunters lived in North Africa, in most of Europe, and in western Siberia, where some of them merged into the ancestors of the mongoloid group of humanity. Even during the Upper Palaeolithic cultural period in western Europe, some of the hunting peoples showed incipiently mongoloid racial tendencies. Among the living descendants of these hunters, these tendencies are more common in the eastern groups than among those living in the west.


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FIG.5 (1 view). A Finn from Vasa (S. Ostrobothnia), who is anthropometrically and morphologically very close to the Irishman from Leitrim. The same curly hair, and the same conformation of the forehead, lips, and nose have produced a striking similarity. This and other evidence indicate that features which in Finns are often popularly supposed to be mongoloid are actually of European Upper Palaeolithic inspiration.

North-West unreduced Upper Paleolithic type
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He is close to North-East unreduced Upper Paleolithic type
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[The Blade]

Thanks.

The woman to me has a pseudo-Asian appearance which some Irish have. She has more rounded features and her eye shape as well. Just wondered if anyone else thought so?
Cheekbones are more rounded but I don't find her even pseudo-Asiatic.

[21993]

Brünn

[Laag]

Thanks.

The woman to me has a pseudo-Asian appearance which some Irish have. She has more rounded features and her eye shape as well. Just wondered if anyone else thought so?

That's because Brunn is the only one unreduced North-West Upper Paleolithic type. She's surviror of original Cro-Magnon.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks for all the contributions. So she just another Brunn. From this forum I think almost every Irish person I've posted has been classified as some sort of Brunn.

[Mr.G]

I agree with Brunn. But I also agree with the pseudo asiatic vibe. I think the vibe is Brunn inspired, in her case.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, she's Brunn, but she's closer to North-East Upper Paleolithic and original Cro-Magnon look.

According to Coon there are only two unreduced Upper Paleolithic types. The first one unreduced is Brunn(North-West Upper Paleolithic type) and second one is North-East Upper Paleolithic type.

https://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe095.jpg
FIG.5 (1 view). A Finn from Vasa (S. Ostrobothnia), who is anthropometrically and morphologically very close to the Irishman from Leitrim. The same curly hair, and the same conformation of the forehead, lips, and nose have produced a striking similarity. This and other evidence indicate that features which in Finns are often popularly supposed to be mongoloid are actually of European Upper Palaeolithic inspiration.



I think there is some truth to that although I'm not that well versed with Finnish genetics but I know they are mostly ydna N1c but Irish are hugely R1b-L21.

[Laag]

I think there is some truth to that although I'm not that well versed with Finnish genetics but I know they are mostly ydna N1c but Irish are hugely R1b-L21.

Well, probably I'm not very good at genetics. R1b-L21 - possible time of origin 4,500 years, N1c - possible time of origin 8 600 — 10 700 years. Cro-Magnons about 30 000-40 000 years. N1c older than R1b-L21 and Cro-Magnons older than N1c and R1b-L21.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, probably I'm not very good at genetics. R1b-L21 - possible time of origin 4,500 years, N1c - possible time of origin 8 600 — 10 700 years. Cro-Magnons about 30 000-40 000 years. N1c older than R1b-L21 and Cro-Magnons older than N1c and R1b-L21.

No worries. I'm very much into genetics but I don't know much about Finnish genetics. R1b-L21 is just a subclade though and came from R1b-M269 which is oldest in the Steppes. R1b was brought to Ireland by Bell Beakers in the Bronze Age. The majority of Irish are descended from these Bell Beakers and not ancient Irish. I think Finns have more HG ancestry. I'm sure Bell Beakers would have had some HG ancestry but they would have brought it in from other areas of Europe.