Classify Mari girl

[SCARtem]

https://pp.userapi.com/VMRzo4And1tKltNl82gZD3vHb6xgXG64kVeDSQ/50Vbhj93W1I.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/NouQPrpAaDQ0OJc7dgQfj44oCZjClNHmxZOwYQ/F-KAjOUrNGk.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/RKVreQWYpX-OlQDLAWzuktQChAj5ZPV_bTO2GQ/sjdNDu4CjcA.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638223/v638223723/c120/F8nFXax7ZXw.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c837221/v837221723/5ecd/HLL4w2OCuaM.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/zrHfixqX5QBVR2Y8kvxsw36fNiXJOjNccSFPfQ/i3QlwFhK1I8.jpg

[chociprasa]

Neo-Danubian.

[Jaromir]

bump!

[travv]

Not Mongol not Mari. Mari are the most Mongoloid people in VUR following by West Siberians.

[Jana]

Not Mongol not Mari. Mari are the most Mongoloid people in VUR following by West Siberians.

She has clear mongolid influence in 4th picture. Just because she's unattractive to you doesn't mean she is not Mari.
You can't exclude people who don't look like your desired appearance from their ethnic group, clown.

[travv]

She has clear mongolid influence in 4th picture. Just because she's unattractive to you doesn't mean she is not Mari.
You can't exclude people who don't look like your desired appearance from their ethnic group, clown.

Yes I can. Mari means beauty. © We say Mari we mean beauty. Deal with it.

[Immanenz]

Dinaric + Turanid / Ladogan

[Jana]

Yes I can. Mari means beauty. © We say Mari we mean beauty. Deal with it.

Your taste doesn't mean beauty. I (and many others) find many of your "beauties" butt ugly or average. Deal with it.

[travv]

Your taste doesn't mean beauty. I (and many others) find many of your "beauties" butt ugly or average. Deal with it.

My point was she is not Mari because she doesn’t look Mari. If any European has non European admixture people say he/she doesn’t look European. Same here. She doesn’t look Mari because she has non Mongoloid/Siberian/VURian admixture not because she is unattractive. This said you not me. She looks Dinarid admixed that gives her non VURian look.

[Jana]

My point was she is not Mari because she doesn’t look Mari. If any European has non European admixture people say he/she doesn’t look European. Same here. She doesn’t look Mari because she has non Mongoloid/Siberian/VURian admixture not because she is unattractive. This said you not me. She looks Dinarid admixed that gives her non VURian look.

So what? Half of women you posted to represent Uralid race didn't look Uralid at all. People are diverse and not factory dolls. Exit your basement sometimes if you can.

[Oliver109]

Could almost pass as an Iberian but something about the eye area suggests significant eastern influence.

[travv]

So what? Half of women you posted to represent Uralid race didn't look Uralid at all. People are diverse and not factory dolls. Exit your basement sometimes if you can.

This is nonsense of course because probably I am the only non Euro TA user who never posted blonde or Euro looking individuals from my people. Lel

[Jana]

This is nonsense of course because probably I am the only non Euro TA user who never posted blonde or Euro looking individuals from my people. Lel

You cherrypick to the extreme, just your version of OWD is much different than that of other people with complexes like you. Exactly by saying this girl is not Mari is your OWD. Don't worry, only an imbecile doesn't recognize your agenda and fantasy ideas.

[Komintasavalta]

Mari are the most Mongoloid people in VUR following by West Siberians.

Bashkortostan is VUR.


So what? Half of women you posted to represent Uralid race didn't look Uralid at all.

The term Uralid was coined by Bunak, and he considered the sub-Uralid/Volgid type to be a subtype of Uralid (https://www.jstor.org/stable/25749116?seq=29):


Der Wolga-finnische und Wjatka-Kama-finnische Typus oder die suburalischen und sublappischen Rassen sind mit der uralischen bezw. mit der lappischen genetisch verbunden, den vorhergehenden europäischen entgegengesetzt und auf irgendeine Weise den asiatischen Rassen, wahrscheinlich in ferner Vergangenheit, durchaus aber nich den heutigen archimorphen Abarten der asiatischen Rasse verwandt.

Die uralische Rasse bildet gemeinsam mit einigen anderen sibirischen einen von echten mongolischen Asiaten deutlich verschiedenen Schlag, den ich mit dem Namen einer "Protoasiatischen Großen Rasse" bezeichnen werde. Die uralische ist eine der Rassen dieser großen Rasse, der Wogulische und Wolga-finnische Typ sind Subrassen, die östliche oder Obj-Subrasse und westliche oder Wolga-Subrasse.

Translation:


The Volga-Finnic and Vyatka-Kama-Finnic type, or the sub-Uralid and sub-Lappid races, are genetically related to the Uralic or Lappic, opposed to the earlier European ones and somehow related to the Asian races, probably in the distant past, but not at all related to today's archetypical varieties of the Asian race.

The Uralic race, together with some other Siberian races, forms a blow that is distinctly different from that of real Mongolian Asians, which I will call the "Proto-Asian Great Race". The Uralic is one of the races of this great race, the Vogul and Volga-Finnish types are sub-races, the eastern or Obj sub-race and the western or Volga-sub-race.

[travv]

Bashkortostan is VUR.

True. But I don’t know how Mongoloid admixed they are. But Mari more Mongoloid admixed than Chuvash and even Tatars as strange as it may seem.

[travv]

You cherrypick to the extreme, just your version of OWD is much different than that of other people with complexes like you. Exactly by saying this girl is not Mari is your OWD. Don't worry, only an imbecile doesn't recognize your agenda and fantasy ideas.

She’s heavily Dinarid admixed that’s why you say she’s unattractive if she was pure VURian you wouldn’t say that.

[Altaylı]

I am not sure but probably mari people score between 20-30% mongoloid admixture so some of them can look european this is normal phenotype doesn't matter genetics are more important
Probably bashkirs are more mongoloid than mari (bashkirs have 30-40% mongoloid admixture)

[Jana]

She’s heavily Dinarid admixed that’s why you say she’s unattractive if she was pure VURian you wouldn’t say that.

I don't know, Croats are partly dinarid and much better looking than VUR people. You are very ugly. That being said this one isn't type of look I like but neither are down syndrome subhumans you often post.

[Altaylı]

I don't know, Croats are partly dinarid and much better looking than VUR people. You are very ugly. That being said this one isn't type of look I like but neither are down syndrome subhumans you often post.

Bashkorts and tatars are very good looking people but i don't know other VUR(udmurts mari etc.),people

[travv]

Bashkorts and tatars are very good looking people but i don't know other VUR(udmurts mari etc.),people

Chuvash girls are good looking too. These girls are more typical here than OP.



https://i.imgur.com/fZqPXNO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uNWmnes.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IdglIVb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NNV9BY0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k81dB9q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c34K350.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/N7Y5J3k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bOEY0LX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ayTxcMS.jpg

[Altaylı]

Chuvash girls are good looking too. These girls are more typical here than OP.



https://i.imgur.com/fZqPXNO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uNWmnes.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IdglIVb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NNV9BY0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k81dB9q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c34K350.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/N7Y5J3k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bOEY0LX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ayTxcMS.jpg


Yeah chuvashes are good looking too
I think eurasians are good looking people in general

[Oliver109]

Yeah chuvashes are good looking too
I think eurasians are good looking people in general

I think Eurasians look better when they are mixed with north rather than east Asians more, Chuvash are a good looking people.

[Altaylı]

I think Eurasians look better when they are mixed with north rather than east Asians more, Chuvash are a good looking people.

Like siberian + european? If you mean this i agree siberians are the best looking people among mongoloid people

[Oliver109]

Like siberian + european? If you mean this i agree siberians are the best looking people among mongoloid people

Yeah, just not Korean or Japanese etc, i wonder what half Mongolians look like?

[Hektor12]

That being said this one isn't type of look I like but neither are down syndrome subhumans you often post.

I wouldnt say bad words about any people only because one guy promotes them frequently.

[Altaylı]

Yeah, just not Korean or Japanese etc, i wonder what half Mongolians look like?

I think it will be change by region in mongolia some mongols look more east asian probably they mixed with chinese some of them look more northern even some mongols have some europid influence in their pheno because of they mixed with Turkics

[Petalpusher]

Im always impressed how East Asians they look despite being largely Eurasian. Except the penultimate pic and even if it's nitpicked, i could easily believe they are all Chinese or Japanese at first sight.

[Komintasavalta]

I am not sure but probably mari people score between 20-30% mongoloid admixture so some of them can look european this is normal phenotype doesn't matter genetics are more important
Probably bashkirs are more mongoloid than mari (bashkirs have 30-40% mongoloid admixture)

Maris might be over 30% too. I did a K=2 ADMIXTURE run of samples in the 1240K+HO dataset. Bashkirs had on average 36% of the pink Mongoloid component and Maris had 32%. However I think the pink component include a lot of ANE, because Nganasans and Kets have such a high proportion of the pink component. Also there was only one Mari sample, and maybe it was not representative, because the difference between Maris and Udmurts seems too small.

At K=4, the combined proportion of the two predominantly Mongoloid components was 33% in Maris and 38% in Bashkirs. But the Nganasan component is partially Caucasoid.

https://i.ibb.co/pyvzd2b/bashkir-vs-mari-admixture.png


I don't know, Croats are partly dinarid and much better looking than VUR people.

Your hometown is SCARtem's heaven based on the church video you posted.

[Petalpusher]

Aren't they scoring mega ANE too?

I see Karelia_HG being 12% pink but they were highly ANE, with some WHG like stuff.

[Komintasavalta]

Aren't they scoring mega ANE too?

I see Karelia_HG being 12% pink but they were highly ANE, with some WHG like stuff.

Actually at K=2, the yellow component might include some Mongoloid ancestry from EHG, because even Estonia_N_CombCeramic is 98% yellow. When I tried doing a new K=2 run with more WHG samples, the proportion of the pink Mongoloid component increased from 12% to 15% in Russia_HG_Karelia, from 32% to 36% in Mari, and from 36% to 41% in Bashkir.

[Komintasavalta]

I tried calculating f4 ratio statistics to rank populations based on East Asian -like ancestry: https://bodkan.net/admixr/articles/tutorial.html#f4-ratio-statistic-1. (The link is for admixr even though I used ADMIXTOOLS 2, because the `qpf4ratio` function is not documented in the tutorial for ADMIXTOOLS 2.)


a="Han"
b="China_Upper_YR_LN"
c="Italy_North_Villabruna_HG"
o="Chimp.REF"
p=c("Altaian","Bashkir","Bashkir.SG","Besermyan","Chuvash","Estonian.DG","Finland_Levanluhta","Finnish","Finnish.DG","Hungarian.DG","Karelian","Kazakh.SG","Ket","Mansi","Mari.SG","Mordovian","Nganasan","Russia_Chalmny_Varre","Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG","Saami.DG","Selkup","Tatar_Irtysh_Barabinsk.SG","Tatar_Kazan","Tatar_Mishar","Tatar_Siberian","Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye","Tatar_Tomsk.SG","Tatar_Volga.SG","Turkish","Turkish_Balikesir","Udmurt")

unlink("f2",recursive=T)
extract_f2(pref="path/to/v44.3_HO_public",pops=c(a,b,c,o,p),outdir="f2")
f2=f2_from_precomp("f2",afprod=T)
r=sapply(p,function(x){qpf4ratio(f2,c(a,o,x,c,b))[,c("pop3","alpha")]})
r2=sort(unlist(r[2,]))
cat(paste(sprintf("%.3f",r2),names(r2)),sep="\n")

I probably did something wrong, but the result was that Mari.SG ranked above one Bashkir population but below another. Mari.SG might not be representative however, because it only consists of a single sample.

0.069 Hungarian.DG
0.119 Turkish
0.124 Estonian.DG
0.173 Finnish
0.175 Mordovian
0.177 Finnish.DG
0.189 Karelian
0.191 Turkish_Balikesir
0.243 Tatar_Mishar
0.249 Finland_Levanluhta
0.261 Tatar_Volga.SG
0.281 Russia_Chalmny_Varre
0.284 Tatar_Kazan
0.289 Chuvash
0.290 Besermyan
0.310 Udmurt
0.323 Saami.DG
0.342 Bashkir.SG
0.346 Mari.SG
0.378 Bashkir
0.432 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG
0.484 Tatar_Siberian
0.496 Tatar_Tomsk.SG
0.509 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.516 Mansi
0.583 Tatar_Irtysh_Barabinsk.SG
0.607 Selkup
0.617 Ket
0.618 Kazakh.SG
0.726 Altaian
0.854 Nganasan

[Komintasavalta]

This isn't the right way to calculate the percentage of Mongoloid ancestry either, but I also tried applying min-max scaling to a set of outgroup f3 statistics:


p1="Ju_hoan_North.DG"
p2="Han.DG"
p3=c("Sardinian.DG","Evenk_FarEast","Altaian","Bashkir","Bashkir.SG","Besermyan","Chuvash","Estonian.DG","Finland_Levanluhta","Finnish","Selkup","Tatar_Irtysh_Barabinsk.SG","Tatar_Kazan","Tatar_Mishar","Tatar_Siberian","Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye","Tatar_Tomsk.SG","Tatar_Volga.SG","Turkish","Turkish_Balikesir","Udmurt","Mari.SG","Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic.SG","Russia_HG_Karelia","Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya","Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic.SG","Nganasan","Yakut.DG","Yakut.SDG","Yakut")

unlink("f2",recursive=T)
extract_f2(pref="path/to/v44.3_HO_public",pops=c(p1,p2,p3),outdir="f2")
f2=f2_from_precomp("f2",afprod=T)
r=f3(f2,p1,p2,p3)%>%arrange(est)
s=(r$est-min(r$est))
s=s/max(s)
cat(paste(sprintf("%.0f",100*s),r$pop3),sep="\n")

Now Maris ranked below both Bashkir populations:

0 Sardinian.DG
9 Turkish
10 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
11 Estonian.DG
15 Finnish
17 Turkish_Balikesir
21 Russia_HG_Karelia
25 Tatar_Mishar
26 Tatar_Volga.SG
29 Tatar_Kazan
30 Besermyan
31 Chuvash
34 Udmurt
35 Finland_Levanluhta
37 Mari.SG
37 Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic.SG
38 Bashkir.SG
41 Bashkir
55 Tatar_Siberian
56 Tatar_Tomsk.SG
57 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
66 Tatar_Irtysh_Barabinsk.SG
71 Selkup
84 Altaian
95 Evenk_FarEast
97 Yakut
98 Yakut.SDG
99 Yakut.DG
99 Nganasan
100 Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic.SG

[travv]

I wouldnt say bad words about any people only because one guy promotes them frequently.

Too much OWD people here. According to them all non Euros should post blonde and Euro looking representatives like this do Turks or some borderline Europeans. According to them I should post such looking Chuvash girls and ask where in Europe they can pass. Lel


https://i.imgur.com/Vt9rx80.jpg

[rero]

Too much OWD people here. According to them all non Euros should post blonde and Euro looking representatives like this do Turks or some borderline Europeans. According to them I should post such looking Chuvash girls and ask where in Europe they can pass. Lel


Komintasavalta is building a wall around VUR so in future there will be no wog-hybrids.