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ixulescu
08-15-2019, 12:19 AM
Vote in the poll.
The pics are from Cluj (Western part of Romania), but people come to these festivals from all around Romania.
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yeah but the majority are still from the west :)
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 12:31 AM
yeah but the majority are still from the west :)
most likely :)
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:06 PM
so are Romanians Balkanite or not?
vote in the fking poll, why so timid? :D
Aren't there tons of foreigners on these kinds of festivals ?
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:33 PM
Aren't there tons of foreigners on these kinds of festivals ?
There are some, but not in these pics.
These are very typical people for the area, see this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9osGGRA0DfA
Rgvgjhvv
08-15-2019, 03:36 PM
As a group they do not look Greek. I would say Balkan nations such as Serbia, maybe Croatia, etc. I don't know anything about those countries to definitively say though lol.
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:41 PM
As a group they do not look Greek. I would say Balkan nations such as Serbia, maybe Croatia, etc. I don't know anything about those countries to definitively say though lol.
I what sense they don't look Greek? what strikes you as non-greek?
CommonSense
08-15-2019, 03:44 PM
A lot of different faces in this set, it's hard to associate them with any particular country. They don't look like Serbs, that's for sure though.
Rgvgjhvv
08-15-2019, 03:46 PM
I what sense they don't look Greek? what strikes you as non-greek?
That's a deep question. I wouldn't even know how to describe Hellenic features so briefly, haha. I'm sure I could pick out some that could pass, but there's too many foreign faces in the photos overall.
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:48 PM
A lot of different faces in this set, it's hard to associate them with any particular country.
This is what you see in Romania, see the vid above as well.
They don't look like Serbs, that's for sure though.
Are you talking about men or women? or both?
CommonSense
08-15-2019, 03:54 PM
This is what you see in Romania, see the vid above as well.
Are you talking about men or women? or both?
Both. They're not particularly familiar faces.
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:54 PM
That's a deep question. I wouldn't even know how to describe Hellenic features so briefly, haha. I'm sure I could pick out some that could pass, but there's too many foreign faces in the photos overall.
Ok :D but where would place these "foreign" faces?
Rgvgjhvv
08-15-2019, 03:55 PM
Ok :D but where would place these "foreign" faces?
I already said in my initial post mate :thumb001: But again, I can't speak for a region I don't know enough about lol
Rgvgjhvv
08-15-2019, 03:56 PM
Ok :D but where would place these "foreign" faces?
I already said in my initial post mate :thumb001: But again, I can't speak for a region I don't know enough about lol
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 03:58 PM
Both. They're not particularly familiar faces.
If you didn't know they are Romanians, where would place these groups?
ixulescu
08-15-2019, 04:05 PM
I already said in my initial post mate :thumb001: But again, I can't speak for a region I don't know enough about lol
I'm not asking you about the Balkans now, forget about your lack of familiarity with the region.
Where would you places these groups among populations you're accustomed with?
TheLigurian
08-15-2019, 06:43 PM
A lot of phenotypes there
ixulescu
08-16-2019, 01:31 PM
this thread needs more votes, people :D
WeirdLookingFellow
08-16-2019, 01:55 PM
Romanians don't look Greek on average. There are a few cases, of course, but not a lot. Romanians are much more Central-Europe or Eastern-Europe shifted. Older people that spent too much time in the park playing checkers can look Greek.
The problem is that because we're pretty much between Greece, Poland/Slovakia and Ukraine, the only people that look like us are Bulgarians and some Hungarians. Hungarians, naturally, shift more Central Europe while Bulgarians can shift more South (though, in my opinion, their women seem to retain a particular EE vibe).
Serbs/Croats/Montenegrins can look like us but I've noticed them to be more Brachy, taller, and retain a Dinarid look that is not shared by all Romanians (the South and South-West shares more with them on this page, though).
Conclusion: Romanians can fit in a lot of places but in my opinion they will look atypical.
A lot of different faces in this set, it's hard to associate them with any particular country. They don't look like Serbs, that's for sure though.
Is the former connected to the latter? I don't find it so characteristic.
Vote in the poll.
The pics are from Cluj (Western part of Romania), but people come to these festivals from all around Romania.
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that one at the top pass in Russia only
ixulescu
08-16-2019, 02:08 PM
that one at the top pass in Russia only
the angry matryoshka? xD
the angry matryoshka? xD
yes, Vladimiroid
ixulescu
08-16-2019, 04:52 PM
Simple. The crowd in Aspirin's thread consists largely of people with those recognisable brachy, dinaric-influenced, head shapes which the older generations in Serbia and other Balkan countries are quite known for. Perhaps if he posted a crowd of Moldovans of my generation there would have been a greater difference.
On the other hand those concert goers are mainly in the Alpine-Med range and would pass no worse in Italy than here. Nothing about them reminds me of our people, no signature features in common.
Yeah, they're mostly Alpine Meds or Alpine Pontids. I agree that many pass in Italy.
And they're definitely not foreigners, look at these people singing in Romanian, they have exactly the same faces:
https://youtu.be/fEeQ8ZfWNgo?t=2444
ixulescu
08-16-2019, 10:08 PM
We have signifcantly more light eyed and haired percentage of population. Also difference between Hungary and Romania is not slight.
You are genetically significantly more south than we and in every anthro study darker eyed/haired.
Dalmatia is lighter eyed and more northern European (Slavic) influenced than Romania. If we are dark, you are even darker.
you're fooling yourself, there no significant difference in pigmentation between Croatians and Romanians:
here's Croatians from Zagreb:
https://youtu.be/K6q2H1ZN1HA?t=262
and Romanians (mostly from Cluj, but many from Bucharest):
https://youtu.be/fEeQ8ZfWNgo?t=2444
both groups are average in regards to pigmentation for their respective countries.
you're fooling yourself, there no significant difference in pigmentation between Croatians and Romanians:
here's Croatians from Zagreb:
https://youtu.be/K6q2H1ZN1HA?t=262
and Romanians (mostly from Cluj, but many from Bucharest):
https://youtu.be/fEeQ8ZfWNgo?t=2444
both groups are average in regards to pigmentation for their respective countries.
I think they are comparable but Croats are slightly but already perceivably lighter. Studies seem to further this notion.
you're fooling yourself, there no significant difference in pigmentation between Croatians and Romanians:
here's Croatians from Zagreb:
https://youtu.be/K6q2H1ZN1HA?t=262
and Romanians (mostly from Cluj, but many from Bucharest):
https://youtu.be/fEeQ8ZfWNgo?t=2444
both groups are average in regards to pigmentation for their respective countries.
Bullshit. You are OWD.
It is always Serbs and Romanians try to show they are equally light like us.
No you aren't, you are visibly darker. Get over it. And you cant be same as us with your much more wog autosomal genetics.
I never see Croats saying they are same pigmentation to Slovenians and Hungarians, and we are much closer to them than to you.
I think they are comparable but Croats are slightly but already perceivably lighter. Studies seem to further this notion.
We are not comparable neither are we slightly lighter. We are much lighter than Romanians. Even Serbs are lighter than Romanians
He is always lightwashing Romanians and claiming they are similar to Hungarians but in reality difference between them is massive considering they have common border. And genetics shows that. Romanians are Balkan as fuck but people are confused because their country is relatively northernly located.
Well their genetics isn't. And neither is pigmentation.
We are not comparable neither are we slightly lighter. We are much lighter than Romanians. Even Serbs are lighter than Romanians
He is always lightwashing Romanians and claiming they are similar to Hungarians but in reality difference between them is massive considering they have common border. And genetics shows that. Romanians are Balkan as fuck but people are confused because their country is relatively northernly located.
Well their genetics isn't. And neither is pigmentation.
Ok, I trust you on that ... as you are from Croatia, after all :). Croats according to various data have 8-10% more light eyes and have lighter hair too upon some checking. I am not that super familiar with Romanians myself.
Ok, I trust you on that ... as you are from Croatia, after all :). Croats according to various data have 8-10% more light eyes and have lighter hair too upon some checking. I am not that super familiar with Romanians myself.
Light eyes are over 40% in Croatia, everything below that figure is darkwashing. My family is almost 100% light eyed and we have friends visiting us in Dalmatia these days to have lunch togheder, usually from 9 people at table 8 have light eyes. Yes this is small sample but just to showcase brown eyes are minor here. Hazel which are mixed colour is dominant.
What sets us apart from southern Europeans is our MUCH higher light eyes percentage. Hair not really, most people have dark hair but in childhood almost all kids are blond.
These friend of family with so much light eyes who visit us are mostly dark haired, some very. And ofc tanned.
I visited Transylvania and people were dark in both hair and eyes. Visibly darker than us.
No wonder when southern Croats plot more northern than northern Romanians do. And northern Croats are completely different league.
I made thread with Moldovan Croats youth NT comparisons and we were bit lighter haired. Moldovans are already lighter than Romanians are. I consider them comparable even if we are little lighter, Romanians are comparable with Serbs (and in my opinion slightly darker)
A lot of different faces in this set, it's hard to associate them with any particular country. They don't look like Serbs, that's for sure though.
serbs are not hot. lal
Light eyes are over 40% in Croatia, everything below that figure is darkwashing. My family is almost 100% light eyed and we have friends visiting us in Dalmatia these days to have lunch togheder, usually from 9 people at table 8 have light eyes. Yes this is small sample but just to showcase brown eyes are minor here. Hazel which are mixed colour is dominant.
What sets us apart from southern Europeans is our MUCH higher light eyes percentage. Hair not really, most people have dark hair but in childhood almost all kids are blond.
These friend of family with so much light eyes who visit us are mostly dark haired, some very. And ofc tanned.
I visited Transylvania and people were dark in both hair and eyes. Visibly darker than us.
No wonder when southern Croats plot more northern than northern Romanians do. And northern Croats are completely different league.
I made thread with Moldovan Croats youth NT comparisons and we were bit lighter haired. Moldovans are already lighter than Romanians are. I consider them comparable even if we are little lighter, Romanians are comparable with Serbs (and in my opinion slightly darker)
In Romania 30% have light eyes if not less, and the vast majority of people is brunette (and often flat out black haired) so yeah you have a point.
In Romania 30% have light eyes if not less, and the vast majority of people is brunette so yeah you have a point.
Lets say Croats have 10%-12% more of light hair and eyes, not drastic but not slight either. It's enough to be visible on first glance. And that is resonable considering difference in autosomal north european input.
pelikarski
08-19-2019, 06:17 PM
In Romania 30% have light eyes if not less, and the vast majority of people is brunette (and often flat out black haired) so yeah you have a point.
I don't think natives have black hair, unless you count in Gypsies.
I don't think natives have black hair, unless you count in Gypsies.
There are Poles that have black hair, so why wouldn't there be Romanians? :confused:
To me Seya's hair looks black and she's Romanian.
pelikarski
08-19-2019, 06:22 PM
There are Poles that have black hair, so why wouldn't there be Romanians? :confused:
To me Seya's hair looks black and she's Romanian.
Perhaps we have different perception of what black is. Mine is dark brown and is darker then the average Bulgarian
Would be considered black in Poland?
https://i.imgur.com/YlsWsPw.jpg
Perhaps we have different perception of what black is. Mine is dark brown and is darker then the average Bulgarian
Would be considered black in Poland?
https://i.imgur.com/YlsWsPw.jpg
Your hair is light brown, not dark brown - basically the same colour as mine. I don't believe it is darker than the average Bulgarian if it would be considered average in Poland that is much lighter than Bulgaria in pigmentation.
Here you have a volleyball player from Bulgaria with black or black-ish hair. Is he a Gypsy? I don't think so.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Todor_Skrimov_FIVB.jpg
And below Polish volleyball player with black-ish hair.
http://dl.siatkarskaliga.pl/38525/inline/xy=1200x1200/9e2853/szymanskigrzegorz.jpg
CommonSense
08-19-2019, 06:28 PM
There are Poles that have black hair, so why wouldn't there be Romanians? :confused:
To me Seya's hair looks black and she's Romanian.
Dna8 has jet black hair and he's certainly not a Gypsy.
Dna8 has jet black hair and he's certainly not a Gypsy.
IIRC, you're correct.
pelikarski is in fact is likely lighter than Bulgarian average, because at least his hair colour would be considered average in Poland.
pelikarski
08-19-2019, 06:38 PM
Your hair is light brown, not dark brown - basically the same colour as mine. I don't believe it is darker than the average Bulgarian if it would be considered average in Poland that is much lighter than Bulgaria in pigmentation.
Here you have a volleyball player from Bulgaria with black or black-ish hair. Is he a Gypsy? I don't think so.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Todor_Skrimov_FIVB.jpg
And below Polish volleyball player with black-ish hair.
http://dl.siatkarskaliga.pl/38525/inline/xy=1200x1200/9e2853/szymanskigrzegorz.jpg
It looks so because it's exposed on direct sunlight. Believe ne when I say it is darker than the average. It appears dark brown blackish especially taken with flash
https://i.postimg.cc/D78vK6qW/Screenshot-20190819-203419.jpg
Cumansky
08-19-2019, 06:38 PM
Dna8 has jet black hair and he's certainly not a Gypsy.
He send me photo PM, that guy definitely not pure European but he talk like a British
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