Classify my Cape Verdean great grandfather

[Sikeliot]

The man on the far right of the picture.

One poster said he looks 30% African.. another said he barely looks African at all.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/cmarieexo/family.jpg

The woman second from the left is my grandmother.. classify her too.

[Bridie]

They don't look anything African/negro to me.

I've noticed that with just a small amount of negro admix, the features which betray this admix tend to be; wide nose, some prognathism, big mouth. All together it creates quite a distinctive look. Looks somehow primitive.

^ Neither of your grandparents display such traits.

[GeistFaust]

Both look pretty much like Aplinoid Mediterranid with Atlantid influences.

[Loki]

They don't look anything African/negro to me.


Agreed, I don't particularly see the African. He just looks advanced in age.

[Sikeliot]

He was from Brava.. the island that received the most Portuguese settlers (including recent ones) and had the fewest slaves.

[Beorn]

Which one is the grandfather?

*I joke, I joke*

[GeistFaust]

If he has any Sudanid input its minimal maybe like 5%-10% his forehead and occiput from what I can see of it look a little strange.

[Sikeliot]

Younger pic;

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/cmarieexo/greatgrandparents.jpg

[Bridie]

Good looking couple!! :)

[Sikeliot]

Thank you :)

He came from the least "black" island of the Cape Verdean islands.. this man is from the same one and has a similar look IMO

http://news.caboverdeonline.com/images/606.jpg

[Beorn]

T.. this man is from the same one and has a similar look IMO

http://news.caboverdeonline.com/images/606.jpg

He's defo of non-Euro descent.

[Sikeliot]

I was just trying to put to rest the idea that Cape Verdeans are all carbon copies of the Senegalese... some of them are heavily European even if a minority.

[Bridie]

Thank you :)

He came from the least "black" island of the Cape Verdean islands.. this man is from the same one and has a similar look IMO

http://news.caboverdeonline.com/images/606.jpg

^ I don't think his look is too similar (to your Grandfather's), to be honest... look at the differences in the noses and the mouths....

[GeistFaust]

Thank you :)

He came from the least "black" island of the Cape Verdean islands.. this man is from the same one and has a similar look IMO

http://news.caboverdeonline.com/images/606.jpg

This guy looks to be a quadroon your great grandfather might be a less extreme version as I said at worse octoroon but he does show a similar forehead which is slopping and his occiput seems to be protuberant which could be do to Sudanid influences.

[Beorn]

Rivaldo! That's who the other bloke you posted looks like.
I couldn't remember the name, but, yeah, Rivaldo.

http://futebolpaulista.com.br/arquivos/id_16657_rivaldo3.jpg

[Bridie]

but he does show a similar forehead which is slopping A sloping forehead is a male characteristic. I was watching a show on archaeological digs and in the analysis of skulls they determine which is male as opposed to female by way of noting forehead slope and protruberance of brow ridges. In females, both forehead and brow ridges are smoother and more vertical.

[GeistFaust]

A sloping forehead is a male characteristic. I was watching a show on archaeological digs and in the analysis of skulls they determine which is male as opposed to female by way of noting forehead slope and protruberance of brow ridges. In females, both forehead and brow ridges are smoother and more vertical.

Yes but I was speaking about his occiput being protuberant not his eyeridges this could be an Atlantid aspect but I still think that he is no more than 5-10% Negro.

[Sikeliot]

Here is my grandmother's brother who died young of tuberculosis.. this would have been the son of the couple in the first pic, thus half Cape Verdean.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/cmarieexo/greatuncle.jpg

My grandmother as a baby

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g405/cmarieexo/grandmotherbabypic.jpg

[Bridie]

Yes but I was speaking about his occiput being protuberant not his eyeridges this could be an Atlantid aspect but I still think that he is no more than 5-10% Negro.You were speaking also of a sloping forehead, which is what I was addressing. ;)

[GeistFaust]

You were speaking also of a sloping forehead, which is what I was addressing. ;)

Yes but his forehead was sloping rather exaggeratedly which is neither an Aplinoid or Atlantid component and can be found among Sudanid types.

[Sikeliot]

So where would you say he can fit in Europe then?

[Bridie]

Southern Italy.

[GeistFaust]

So where would you say he can fit in Europe then?

Portugal, Spain, and France.

[Sikeliot]

Interesting :)

[alzo zero]

So I suppose this isn't your black great-grandfather, right? Or is he? :confused:

[Sikeliot]

So I suppose this isn't your black great-grandfather, right? Or is he? :confused:

Yes.. not all Cape Verdeans are carbon copies of the Senegalese.. so you can shut it with calling me a quadroon every second you get when he was probably not much blacker than a quadroon himself.

[Rosenrot]

The couple are very beautifull, he looks med. I don't think he got a Afrikan look.

[Ibericus]

I can't appreciate well, but he looks predominantly european. But being from Cape-Verde, you can't be really sure, if he has african ancestry it must be less than 20%. It's only from him that you got your african ancestry ?

[Sikeliot]

I can't appreciate well, but he looks predominantly european. But being from Cape-Verde, you can't be really sure, if he has african ancestry it must be less than 20%

Well there is African ancestry (and if you look at the baby pictures on the other page you can actually see it more in them than in him) but he is obviously much closer to Portuguese than African.

[Rouxinol]

http://news.caboverdeonline.com/images/606.jpg

That is a common look among mixed-race Brazilians, at least I see many of them who are immigrated here looking VERY MUCH like him. Most Cape Verdeans I know though are much more negroid, probably because they mostly come from more negroid influenced islands. Your great-grandfather seems to be even less admixed than this guy you posted. Occiput pictures would help though.

[Hess]

He strikes me as European looking. His facial traits give off the facade of a Negro appearance, but upon closer inspection he just looks like a gracile med/alpine (though more on the "swarthy" side)

[Sikeliot]

He strikes me as European looking. His facial traits give off the facade of a Negro appearance, but upon closer inspection he just looks like a gracile med/alpine (though more on the "swarthy" side)

The extra "swarthiness" is probably due to the minor African ancestry but it's not enough for him to look significantly negroid.

[Hess]

So I suppose this isn't your black great-grandfather, right? Or is he? :confused:

What sort of insinuation is this? I've seen her pictures before and I assure you she just looks like a regular west med.

[Sikeliot]

What sort of insinuation is this? I've seen her pictures before and I assure you she just looks like a regular west med.

Not only that, but a few users said I could easily pass as Belgian.

[Hess]

The extra "swarthiness" is probably due to the minor African ancestry but it's not enough for him to look significantly negroid.

I think the African ancestry just sort of darkens him as a whole but has no real impact on his subrace/phenotype

[Rosenrot]

She looks avarage Portuguese Girl.


That is a common look among mixed-race Brazilians, at least I see many of them who are immigrated here looking VERY MUCH like him. Most Cape Verdeans I know though are much more negroid, probably because they mostly come from more negroid influenced islands. Your great-grandfather seems to be even less admixed than this guy you posted. Occiput pictures would help though.

ele parece nordestino.

[Mordid]

Didn't people from other forum said you could pass as Lebanese and Sicilian ? :P
Oh wait, that was your cousin. :D

[alzo zero]

What sort of insinuation is this? I've seen her pictures before and I assure you she just looks like a regular west med.
What "insinuation"? She has recent black African ancestors, what's the problem with you? Enough with playing the internet knight in a shining armor Hess, especially when you are the guy bullying females out of this forum... ;)