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mutabor
12-23-2019, 09:48 PM
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Not a Cop
12-23-2019, 10:02 PM
No.

itilvolga
12-23-2019, 10:25 PM
No, pure Mongoloid. Tungid makes much more sense.

mutabor
12-23-2019, 10:29 PM
No.

There are common features as protruding cheek bones.

Rico33
12-23-2019, 10:38 PM
I think Baltid types have some mongoloid influence. Rather than vice versa.

mutabor
12-23-2019, 10:39 PM
What about Russian Ladogan types ( East Baltids)?

http://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/acde76739dc80d194216a57298f9f70b.jpghttp://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/062eaf1468dbed4f6f557a516a4eb332.jpg

Synapsid
12-23-2019, 10:39 PM
There are common features as protruding cheek bones.

What do Kazakhs think of North americans Natives? Similar or very different people?

Synapsid
12-23-2019, 10:41 PM
What about Russian Ladogan types ( East Baltids)?

http://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/acde76739dc80d194216a57298f9f70b.jpghttp://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/062eaf1468dbed4f6f557a516a4eb332.jpg

Don't have as high of a cheekbone as tungid Kazakhs. But much higher than other European sub types

mutabor
12-23-2019, 10:43 PM
I think Baltid types have some mongoloid influence. Rather than vice versa.

What about common cold adapted features like expanding cheek bones?

mutabor
12-23-2019, 10:47 PM
Don't have as high of a cheekbone as tungid Kazakhs. But much higher than other European sub types

What about cheek bones of this Vepsian ( Finnic) woman?

https://i.imgur.com/vzPCkxU.jpg


https://youtu.be/EC3zqsLgxKc

Synapsid
12-23-2019, 10:51 PM
What about cheek bones of this Vepsian ( Finnic) woman?

https://i.imgur.com/vzPCkxU.jpg


https://youtu.be/EC3zqsLgxKc

Still not close. PS she looks so cute, very supermodel look, way out my league lol

mutabor
12-23-2019, 11:04 PM
Still not close.

Absolutely close. Similar expansion of cheek bones.

By the way there are plenty of Kazakhs with narrow faces or just average faces.

http://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/7fc29a2a6e06e7466fbe77e7f0738860.jpghttp://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/2daf391c7fc3e6f2699898695e1fa073.jpghttp://rasfokus.ru/images/photos/medium/ca58443a1ed55fe941573fda805993a1.jpg

FinalFlash
12-23-2019, 11:38 PM
Predominantly mongoloid faces whereas E. Baltid types can sometimes give off a pseuso Mongoloid vibe.

Ymyyakhtakh
12-24-2019, 08:40 AM
Kazakhs have a more feminine face shape that looks more elliptical, when one of the characteristics of East Baltids is a rectangular face shape. Kazakhs have a more tapered forehead, so that even if they have a wide middle face, their upper face is often narrow relative to their middle face, and their hairline is more curved. Their foreheads are also shorter relative to their face length. Therefore they often have a small area of the forehead relative to the rest of their face.

For example, the photo below is of Kazakhstan's women's short track speed skating team. The white girl on the left looks pretty East Baltid. Compared to the native members, she has a longer forehead but a shorter middle and lower face. She also has the most vertical forehead.

https://i.imgur.com/8DR5YtW.jpg

Below are women from photos which were classified as being of Kazakhs from Kunstkamera (http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/entity/OBJECT?ethnos=3507391). Some might not actually be Kazakh though. You can see that Kazakhs actually have fairly long faces and noses.

https://i.imgur.com/cvwervE.jpg

Among Baltic Finnic people, even women often have a rectangular vertical forehead with a straight hairline, like these Karelians and Finns:

https://i.imgur.com/hTnCNKy.jpg

Among both Central Asians and Finnics, I think most people are too leptomorphic, so that their face looks too elliptical and their nose is too long. However in this photo of Kazakhs, the girl who is the second from the right in the back row is really cute. She looks sort of Khanty-ish, because she doesn't have an oval face shape, and she has a clearly concave nose. On the other hand, the girl on the left has a too small face that is oval or egg-shaped, and the other two girls have a too high bridge of the nose.

http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/api/spf/P3jjNFapKkK6a3WhXoU9Kc6n9EBkzAcQAcMOsJPU-BFgHyYfaoRdWJXr4QJ6djMn.jpg?w=1500&h=830
Komsomol members - Kazakh - 1939
http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/entity/OBJECT/333943

chociprasa
12-24-2019, 09:43 AM
No.

Ymyyakhtakh
12-24-2019, 09:51 AM
Here's morphs of the national soccer teams of Finland and Kazakhstan in UEFA Euro 2020 qualifiers (https://www.uefa.com/european-qualifiers/teams/). I excluded players who I estimated to have a foreign background.

The Kazakh morph has a shorter forehead, a longer middle face, and a shorter chin. The Kazakh morph also has a longer distance between the eyebrows and the eyes, which is a Mongoloid characteristic. It has a longer nose and a higher bridge of the nose. The Kazakh morph also appears to have a lower bigonial width.

There is a very large difference in the height of the part of the face between the eyebrows and the mouth.

https://i.imgur.com/N5212Cq.gif

Below are morphs of women in old photos published by Kunstkamera. I did not cherry pick the images I used in the morphs, but I selected the images based on image quality and based on how directly the person in the image faced the camera.

The Kazakh morph has a longer and narrower nose than the Karelian morph. Its face looks wide and robust, but its face is simultaneously fairly long and oval-shaped. The Kazakh morph has a longer distance between the eyebrows and the eyes. The Karelian morph has more sad-looking eyes, which is probably partially the effect of a lower canthal tilt.

https://i.imgur.com/yJeScKB.jpg

Rico33
12-24-2019, 09:56 AM
Predominantly mongoloid faces whereas E. Baltid types can sometimes give off a pseuso Mongoloid vibe.

How is it's pseudo when the source of the traits are basically neighbors?

lukita10806
07-10-2021, 11:39 PM
No they have orientalid noses

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Voskos
07-10-2021, 11:47 PM
Interesting question.

lukita10806
07-12-2021, 06:07 PM
Kazakhs have longer noses than east baltids.

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Sora
07-12-2021, 06:09 PM
No, only mixed Russian or Tatar ones could

kevinmac
07-12-2021, 06:56 PM
Some do.

znenammi
10-18-2021, 09:30 AM
A few of them.

Tsuin
10-18-2021, 10:06 AM
No

Rob Athum
11-06-2021, 07:26 PM
No, it's the other way around, east baltid - the only decent european phenotype, have tungid influences.