Are gym culture and male shirtlessness a sign of progress and gender equality?

[Tooting Carmen]

In the not-too-distant past, it used to be the case that fat/hairy/ugly men could nevertheless have good careers and be highly respected as individuals, in a way that admittedly has never really been the case with women. This was true of a range of groups: actors, journalists, politicians, porn stars and even sportsmen. (Look at how musclebound rugby players, for example, are nowadays compared to the past).

Nowadays, however, you only have to pick up any magazine or watch any film, reality show or soap opera to see that men's bodies are just as objectified and put out on display as are women's, if not possibly more so. Nor is this exclusively a Western phenomenon either: Bollywood, for example, is full of scantily-clad musclebound actors nowadays, in a way that was quite rare even in the 1990's.

To give you perhaps the best illustration of this societal change:

James Bond 1971
https://timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/50-bond-diamonds-are-forever-salary-21.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

James Bond 2012
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/79/fd/b8/79fdb85b1700f7ed28389f7f4550deb7.jpg

[nittionia]

It’s not a big issue in gender equality

[Tooting Carmen]

It’s not a big issue in gender equality

It is in the sense that the motto is "you can have your eye candy so we can have ours".

[nittionia]

It is in the sense that the motto is "you can have your eye candy so we can have ours".

It’s true that male bodies are objectified more, but not necessarily progress. Entertainment culture doesn’t reflect a lot of gender issues in the US accurately

[Lioncourt]

I read the topic title, opened the page and first thing I misread was "scantily-Chad", and it took me 5 minutes to make sure /r incels hasn't moved here.

[ixulescu]

This thread tells me that gay men are still men. They look at sex like men do, it's all about body parts, tits/pecs, ass, legs etc.

This is nothing like women see sex. For women sex is about relationships. Being pursued by a man well ranked in her group or by society in general is what turns women on, and not some model's body. Of course, nowadays society tries really hard to change women's sexuality but I don't see that succeeding.

[JosephK]

This thread tells me that gay men are still men. They look at sex like men do, it's all about body parts, tits/pecs, ass, legs etc.

This is nothing like women see sex. For women sex is about relationships. Being pursued by a man well ranked in her group or by society in general is what turns women on, and not some model's body. Of course, nowadays society tries really hard to change women's sexuality but I don't see that succeeding.

But that isn't to say that women aren't superficial. It's just that they attach emotion and importance to their sex drive, whereas men can distinguish between the two. Millions of teen girls want Justin Beiber to marry them, not just screw them.

[JosephK]

It’s true that male bodies are objectified more, but not necessarily progress. Entertainment culture doesn’t reflect a lot of gender issues in the US accurately

Since as long as I've been alive, though, men have been shamed for showing superficial interest in women. Playboy was considered pornography, and it was shameful to buy it (and embarrassing) even if for the rather high-end literature and satire that it primarily provided. Women, on the other hand, have been encouraged to be superficial.

[nittionia]

Since as long as I've been alive, though, men have been shamed for showing superficial interest in women. Playboy was considered pornography, and it was shameful to buy it (and embarrassing) even if for the rather high-end literature and satire that it primarily provided. Women, on the other hand, have been encouraged to be superficial.

Sexual interest is a big conversation. Women are shamed for being promiscuous, men are applauded more often. At the end of the day those are both personal choices and shouldn’t have much to do with anyone else but yourself. And, really, when has shame stopped men from indulging in these things all together?

[JosephK]

Sexual interest is a big conversation. Women are shamed for being promiscuous, men are applauded more often. At the end of the day those are both personal choices and shouldn’t have much to do with anyone else but yourself. And, really, when has shame stopped men from indulging in these things all together?

But that simply isn't true. That's a stereotype. It's like saying everyone loves and respects Jeff Bezos because he's so rich. The only guys that respect promiscuous dudes are other creepy promiscuous dudes--the 'problem' is that these bros become important, powerful people, and are promiscuous because women are choosing--or at least willing--to have sex with them.

[ixulescu]

But that isn't to say that women aren't superficial. It's just that they attach emotion and importance to their sex drive, whereas men can distinguish between the two. Millions of teen girls want Justin Beiber to marry them, not just screw them.

Both male and female sexuality can be construed as superficial. But they are what they are, instinctual, made to perpetuate the species.

[Insuperable]

Sexual interest is a big conversation. Women are shamed for being promiscuous, men are applauded more often. At the end of the day those are both personal choices and shouldn’t have much to do with anyone else but yourself. And, really, when has shame stopped men from indulging in these things all together?

Those are personal choices indeed, what else can they can be. The reality is that promiscuous men are chads and promiscuous women are sluts. Women just have to make peace with it.

[nittionia]

Those are personal choices indeed, what else can they can be. The reality is that promiscuous men are chads and promiscuous women are sluts. Women just have to make peace with it.
Chads to other men. There’s so much more to an attractive guy than how many girls he’s slept with

[catgeorge]

Even promiscuous men are losers.

They may have screwed all these different women and in varying degrees spreading some STD but what are the chances I have fucked more - much more than these losers.

[Tooting Carmen]

Those are personal choices indeed, what else can they can be. The reality is that promiscuous men are chads and promiscuous women are sluts. Women just have to make peace with it.

But my point is that, whereas in the past even ugly and unshapely men could often score a lot, especially if they had money or power, I'm not sure this is so much the case nowadays.

[JosephK]

Chads to other men. There’s so much more to an attractive guy than how many girls he’s slept with

Let's not lose sight of the fact that "promiscuous men" refers to the small number of men that most women are having sex with.

[Insuperable]

Chads to other men. There’s so much more to an attractive guy than how many girls he’s slept with

Chads to men and women. Sure is, but almost all attractive men want to score as much as they can, all man do.

Hence why all women want chads while on the other hand men don't want sluts. Paradox with which women have to make peace.

[ixulescu]

But my point is that, whereas in the past even ugly and unshapely men could often score a lot, especially if they had money or power, I'm not sure this is so much the case nowadays.

nah, there isn't much difference in this respect. only that younger generation looks somewhat better, both men and women (unless they're fat).

[nittionia]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that "promiscuous men" refers to the small number of men that most women are having sex with.
Are the women attracted to them because the men are promiscuous or because they have other qualities that draw the women to them? And how many of these promiscuous men have successful family lives?

[JosephK]

Are the women attracted to them because the men are promiscuous or because they have other qualities that draw the women to them? And how many of these promiscuous men have successful family lives?

That's the thing... male attractiveness if fairly objective, whereas men like all sorts of women. But it's not even just "handsomeness" or a nice chest that draws women to them, but, I've noticed, a certain "Bigness"... large guys tend to do well. The only White guys I've ever known who could pick up girls like Black and Latino guys were well over 6 ft tall and fairly wide. I think it has to do with a sense of importance and confidence that comes from a lifetime of being intimidating. Being handsome helps, of course. But it works the same way with finding a good job, making friends, etc.

[Tooting Carmen]

That's the thing... male attractiveness if fairly objective, whereas men like all sorts of women. But it's not even just "handsomeness" or a nice chest that draws women to them, but, I've noticed, a certain "Bigness"... large guys tend to do well. The only White guys I've ever known who could pick up girls like Black and Latino guys were well over 6 ft tall and fairly wide. I think it has to do with a sense of importance and confidence that comes from a lifetime of being intimidating. Being handsome helps, of course. But it works the same way with finding a good job, making friends, etc.

I agree that Black men are often popular with White (and even some Asian and MENA) women, but Latino men? First of all, Latinos aren't really a race anyway, and secondly, if by 'Latino' you essentially mean Mestizos, then many of them are short and actually quite anodyne (due to the Amerindian mixture).

[nittionia]

That's the thing... male attractiveness if fairly objective, whereas men like all sorts of women. But it's not even just "handsomeness" or a nice chest that draws women to them, but, I've noticed, a certain "Bigness"... large guys tend to do well. The only White guys I've ever known who could pick up girls like Black and Latino guys were well over 6 ft tall and fairly wide. I think it has to do with a sense of importance and confidence that comes from a lifetime of being intimidating. Being handsome helps, of course. But it works the same way with finding a good job, making friends, etc.

Social status and money have more to do with it from a woman's view. Women seek stability and put looks on the lower end of priorities when/if it comes down to that (for long-term, monogamous relations). And reasons for promiscuity differ between men and women. Anyways, to get back to the OP, strictly viewing the objectification of men's bodies as progression wouldn't really relate to heterosexual women in the western world as much as other issues would. Ideally both genders wouldn't be so sexually fueled in pop culture, which doesn't help the general population have healthy mindsets regarding relationships.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

This thread tells me that gay men are still men. They look at sex like men do, it's all about body parts, tits/pecs, ass, legs etc.

This is nothing like women see sex. For women sex is about relationships. Being pursued by a man well ranked in her group or by society in general is what turns women on, and not some model's body. Of course, nowadays society tries really hard to change women's sexuality but I don't see that succeeding.

Some gay men do have corny romantic fantasies in a feminine way, like finding prince charming
https://previews.123rf.com/images/stockbroker/stockbroker1909/stockbroker190900585/130494781-loving-male-gay-couple-holding-hands-coming-out-of-florists-holding-bunch-of-flowers.jpg

But the majority would have fetishs of the male body in a similar way heterosexual males go after the playmate body type.

For example VIgorexiA fetish
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/B3kX1s22RjAlLVcVRiXCxHPxqr0NAJ6uk4KTf-fRqTXYpEbIa36NboxnjwDP-XvPCokyUYXjeZAi3_b7EfbRWrWlRZNwgl2L745jaZoX5oNrBy-uAADl8c8MqJ5UXFvb4QtkH_UPy1PWWZIExpZ4uaJ_KqbVuUwg

Hair fetish
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/918selxKwdL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

ephebophilia fetish
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c8c140be5f7d12e21c51e0e/1555002988972-2GWDE63DYB64OMFWGBGE/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kA47qaxzGU3oa60Mv3IrElh7gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0hGaawTDWlunVGEFKwsEdnE _ZbuhWuTjDl9Hn0Vaidb23CyzgPgNZ_l0zINYXrCLdg/Soccer+Boys+3.jpg?format=2500w

Most women woud find sex with those men gross.

[Creoda]

It's a sign of faggot creep in the culture.

It seems to me that gays are far more into shirtless men than women are.

[nittionia]

It's a sign of faggot creep in culture.

It seems to me that gays are far more into shirtless men than women are.

Men's brains react stronger to visual (sexual) stimuli than women. It's allegedly evolutionary in order to have a faster decision time and max. opportunity of mating.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's a sign of faggot creep in the culture.

It seems to me that gays are far more into shirtless men than women are.

That's debatable. Check out these telethons from Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcd2tcOkrng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Sc7HZ7m0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAQdRqh21z0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmjpE4pyWM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u_KkBNmbSM

[JamesBond007]

In the not-too-distant past, it used to be the case that fat/hairy/ugly men could nevertheless have good careers and be highly respected as individuals, in a way that admittedly has never really been the case with women. This was true of a range of groups: actors, journalists, politicians, porn stars and even sportsmen. (Look at how musclebound rugby players, for example, are nowadays compared to the past).

Nowadays, however, you only have to pick up any magazine or watch any film, reality show or soap opera to see that men's bodies are just as objectified and put out on display as are women's, if not possibly more so. Nor is this exclusively a Western phenomenon either: Bollywood, for example, is full of scantily-clad musclebound actors nowadays, in a way that was quite rare even in the 1990's.

To give you perhaps the best illustration of this societal change:



The Gym is overrated :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPUS5hYGc4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4GkLC6HPb8


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Drill_instructor_at_the_Officer_Candidate_School.j pg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9354e41343ed1c242b8d0f175f85079

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2230a3480d4d18cc72ea3799fd69b6be

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Chads to men and women. Sure is, but almost all attractive men want to score as much as they can, all man do.

Hence why all women want chads while on the other hand men don't want sluts. Paradox with which women have to make peace.

Women want what other women want, if other women are talking shit about a guy, his price goes down.

[Celestia]

Sexual interest is a big conversation. Women are shamed for being promiscuous, men are applauded more often. At the end of the day those are both personal choices and shouldn’t have much to do with anyone else but yourself. And, really, when has shame stopped men from indulging in these things all together?

Preach it girl

[Celestia]

Women want what other women want, if other women are talking shit about a guy, his price goes down.

This isn’t always the case. Some women like a challenge.
“If she can’t handle him then I can”
Also if a woman is talking that badly about a guy it usually means there’s still some kind of feelings involved on her side. That goes for both men and women though. If you still like someone you’re not gonna hand them out like a piece of pie ;D

[pajkosbalna]

But that isn't to say that women aren't superficial. It's just that they attach emotion and importance to their sex drive, whereas men can distinguish between the two. Millions of teen girls want Justin Beiber to marry them, not just screw them.

But immature teen girls can not be indicative for the whole society of women. As a teen we also wanted the objectively handsome looking guys, but for grown ups that is just a plus and not the priority obviously.

[pajkosbalna]

Women want what other women want, if other women are talking shit about a guy, his price goes down.

Sad but true. Most of the women are just competing with each other for socially accepted or praised men.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

This isn’t always the case. Some women like a challenge.
“If she can’t handle him then I can”
Also if a woman is talking that badly about a guy it usually means there’s still some kind of feelings involved on her side. That goes for both men and women though. If you still like someone you’re not gonna hand them out like a piece of pie ;D

Yes, but most of the time is more like "I know he is a womanizer, lazy and love to party, but I can change him, he would settle down for me".
The lesson is, no he dont.

If you have to enjoy a "touch and go" go for the jobless surfer
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/5d/22/075d2272b921c6b26fc74f46115d64fc.jpg

If you want a serious relationship go for the boring brain surgeon
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/portrait-young-male-doctor-stethoscope-260nw-737470705.jpg

[kalach]

It's a progress. Aesthetics is smth non-degenerated human mind value. Those old-minded fat, muh traditionally masculine types are cursed at this age. This or go home:
https://data.whicdn.com/images/69465775/original.jpg

[Celestia]

Yes, but most of the time is more like "I know he is a womanizer, lazy and love to party, but I can change him, he would settle down for me".
The lesson is, no he dont.

If you have to enjoy a "touch and go" go for the jobless surfer
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/5d/22/075d2272b921c6b26fc74f46115d64fc.jpg

If you want a serious relationship go for the boring brain surgeon
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/portrait-young-male-doctor-stethoscope-260nw-737470705.jpg

Yeah you’re right. The guy usually ends up being a dick hahah
Personally I’d prefer the surgeon over the shirtless dude.
Intelligence is extremely attractive.

[pajkosbalna]

It's a progress. Aesthetics is smth non-degenerated human mind value. Those old-minded fat, muh traditionally masculine types are cursed at this age. This or go home:
https://data.whicdn.com/images/69465775/original.jpg

I dont agree. Traditionally masculine type never goes out of 'fashion'...And masculine means so much more than a body like that imo. And for example for me its not more, its other. Im not alone with this thinking thats for sure.

[Celestia]

I dont agree. Traditionally masculine type never goes out of 'fashion'...And masculine means so much more than a body like that imo. And for example for me its not more, its other. Im not alone with this thinking thats for sure.

Agreed. Masculinity is how a man carries himself. Not necessarily his body type.
I know a lot of feminine dudes with bodies like the picture above.

[PaleoEuropean]

But immature teen girls can not be indicative for the whole society of women. As a teen we also wanted the objectively handsome looking guys, but for grown ups that is just a plus and not the priority obviously.

The same goes for males, we all used to have posters of "perfect" women but when you get older you learn to like average just as much or even more.

[kalach]

I dont agree. Traditionally masculine type never goes out of 'fashion'...And masculine means so much more than a body like that imo. And for example for me its not more, its other. Im not alone with this thinking thats for sure.

Cope, -12% BF or death. Fat cheeky men have higher estrogen. Women get wet when they see low BF Chads.

[kalach]

Agreed. Masculinity is how a man carries himself. Not necessarily his body type.
I know a lot of feminine dudes with bodies like the picture above.

Their mindset is feminine. But, a low bf new kind of masculine Chad slays JB pussy right and left.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Yeah you’re right. The guy usually ends up being a dick hahah
Personally I’d prefer the surgeon over the shirtless dude.
Intelligence is extremely attractive.


Dont forget the most important thing: 0:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZiZwQaV5BQ

[Lioncourt]

Yes, but most of the time is more like "I know he is a womanizer, lazy and love to party, but I can change him, he would settle down for me".
The lesson is, no he dont.

If you have to enjoy a "touch and go" go for the jobless surfer

If you want a serious relationship go for the boring brain surgeon

Usually it is banging with the surfer while the cuck surgeon provides for you.

[Celestia]

Their mindset is feminine. But, a low bf new kind of masculine Chad slays JB pussy right and left.

Idk maybe that’s a new generation thing but I want my man to be masculine. I’d prefer a guy who gets his hands dirty with a little gut over some guy with a 6 pack that stares At himself in the mirror all day.
But I’m getting old ;)

[Lioncourt]

Agreed. Masculinity is how a man carries himself. Not necessarily his body type.
I know a lot of feminine dudes with bodies like the picture above.

What is a "feminine dude"?

[pajkosbalna]

Cope, -12% BF or death. Fat cheeky men have higher estrogen. Women get wet when they see low BF Chads.

Haha, you are obviously kidding, I get it now. :picard1:

[Celestia]

What is a "feminine dude"?

Overly sensitive, doesn’t get their hands dirty, etc.

[kalach]

Idk maybe that’s a new generation thing but I want my man to be masculine. I’d prefer a guy who gets his hands dirty with a little gut over some guy with a 6 pack that stares At himself in the mirror all day.
But I’m getting old ;)

Lol, I guess you like bear alike guys. Genetically gifted ecto-mesomorphic guys eat like shit, do just some calisthenics daily 5-10 mins and have a body like on the photo I posted. Having a wide upper body, slim lower body is one of the most masculine physical things.

[Celestia]

Lol, I guess you like bear alike guys. Genetically gifted ecto-mesomorphic guys eat like shit, do just some calisthenics daily 5-10 mins and have a body like on the photo I posted. Having a wide upper body, slim lower body is one of the most masculine physical things.

My sons father ate like shit but he worked out and had a pretty good body for his age.
It’s all about finding a balance.
But yeah I prefer men with a wider and more broad body. “Bear like” as you say.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Usually it is banging with the surfer while the cuck surgeon provides for you.

Nowadays they call it "being An empowered woman "

[KirillMazur]

It's a progress. Aesthetics is smth non-degenerated human mind value. Those old-minded fat, muh traditionally masculine types are cursed at this age. This or go home:
https://data.whicdn.com/images/69465775/original.jpg
This statement is tantamount to the statement that women without a flat stomach, silicone breast and botox lips, shorter than 165 cm are not entitled to life. But this is nonsense.
Do not turn your body into a marketable product - in every country there are still enough people who do not accept this ideology. There is still enough for your generation.

[kalach]

Haha, you are obviously kidding, I get it now. :picard1:

Nope, look at tell common thing about body on these three old school jailbait slayers:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnyX4uOXcAA1Ruv.jpg
They all have low body fat, descent muscle mass giving hollow cheeks. Your average bloated Joe can't reach this level of looks with their +15% body fat.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

What is a "feminine dude"?


https://image.freepik.com/free-photo/loving-gay-couple-having-anniversary_23-2147744599.jpg

[kalach]

This statement is tantamount to the statement that women without a flat stomach, silicone breast and botox lips, taller than 165 cm are not entitled to life. But this is nonsense.
Do not turn your body into a marketable product - in every country there are still enough people who do not accept this ideology. There is still enough for your generation.

Female aesthetics are about youthful and fertile looks in a natural way. Things you told are degenerate western things. Real beauty is natural and doesn't need even make up.

[pajkosbalna]

Nope, look at tell common thing about body on these three old school jailbait slayers:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnyX4uOXcAA1Ruv.jpg
They all have low body fat, descent muscle mass giving hollow cheeks. Your average bloated Joe can't reach this level of looks with their +15% body fat.

So now we are comparing movie stars with common men.
Funny just now i realise how ridiculous i can be when trying to convince men how an attractive woman looks imo. In advance, yes, I find them attractive, but thats not the point.

[Lioncourt]

Overly sensitive, doesn’t get their hands dirty, etc.

Where I live "getting hands dirty" means beating someone.

Do you mean this? You like men who fight and drink good old Eastern European style?

I'm single btw, not into fighting and drinking, but can start for you. Also I never advertise myself on internet forums, which is another plus.

[kalach]

So now we are comparing movie stars with common men.
Funny just now i realise how ridiculous i can be when trying to convince men how an attractive woman looks imo. In advance, yes, I find them attractive, but thats not the point.

Add them +20 kg and they become normies.

[Celestia]

Where I live "getting hands dirty" means beating someone.

Do you mean this? You like men who fight and drink good old Eastern European style?

Lmao no no.
Hands dirty as in being a handy man, fixing things. Doing mans work on their own. Like fixing their car instead of having someone else do it, etc.

[KirillMazur]

Female aesthetics are about youthful and fertile looks in a natural way. Things you told are degenerate western things. Real beauty is natural and doesn't need even make up.
You did not understand the irony. Everything is exactly the opposite.
I equated women with botox lips and embossed muscles and guys who for half a day do not crawl out of the gym.
THIS IS Western degenerative garbage.
Beauty is naturalness for both sexes without extremes, such as chemical muscles on the one hand, and body positive on the other.

[kalach]

Lmao no no.
Hands dirty as in being a handy man, fixing things. Doing mans work on their own. Like fixing their car instead of having someone else do it, etc.

Yep, low bf men can't do it lol. You are coping.

[Celestia]

Yep, low bf men can't do it lol. You are coping.

How so?

[Lioncourt]

Lmao no no.
Hands dirty as in being a handy man, fixing things. Doing mans work on their own. Like fixing their car instead of having someone else do it, etc.

This is a sign of poor man. Big bosses pay others do the dirty job.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Female aesthetics are about youthful and fertile looks in a natural way. Things you told are degenerate western things. Real beauty is natural and doesn't need even make up.

I dont agree on this, In an erlier post I point out how, unlike women, gay men would have a fetish for Ephebophilia.
Women over 25 arent into 19 year old kids, thats just the way nature works.
Ask any women over 30 if she would sleep with these "men", she will tell you I ain't no pedo.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/ce/0e/a0ce0e403b57f553fba292cf15308abf.jpg

[Celestia]

I'm single btw, not into fighting and drinking, but can start for you. Also I never advertise myself on internet forums, which is another plus.

LOL
No men that fight and drink all the time are actually a turn off that’s not what I meant.

And I am already talking to someone but I’m flattered

[Celestia]

I dont agree on this, In an erlier post I point out how, unlike women, gay men would have a fetish for Ephebophilia.
Women over 25 arent into 19 year old kids, thats just the way nature works.
Ask any women over 30 if she would sleep with these "men", she will tell you I ain't no pedo.


You are 100% correct. I’m 26 and I’m more attracted to men in their mid 30’s.
Anyone younger than me is almost like a baby

[kalach]

I dont agree on this, In an erlier post I point out how, unlike women, gay men would have a fetish for Ephebophilia.
Women over 25 arent into 19 year old kids, thats just the way nature works.
Ask any women over 30 if she would sleep with these "men", she will tell you I ain't no pedo.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/ce/0e/a0ce0e403b57f553fba292cf15308abf.jpg

18-23 y.o pretty boys turn into sharp masculine Chads by +25. It's all about good genetics. Look at Pitt. He was a pretty boy as a young guy. He was +30 on Fight Club, this explains everything. Many women voted his Fight Club body as ideal male body in a research years ago.

[Mr.G]

We all have strengths and weaknesses. Nobody is perfect. You are attracted to who you are attracted to.

Be kind to the one you love.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[kalach]

You are 100% correct. I’m 26 and I’m more attracted to men in their mid 30’s.
Anyone younger than me is almost like a baby


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUWK-fixiA
I would like to be that milk[f]man than over a bald fat +30 accountant lol.

[Celestia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUWK-fixiA

Lol once I hit 30 then I can be considered a milf

Well yeah fat is never attractive but you don’t have to be tiny with abs to be attractive.
Men look good with big bulky arms.

[Celestia]

This is a sign of poor man. Big bosses pay others do the dirty job.

Or you can save money and do it yourself and look sexy in the process

[pajkosbalna]

Add them +20 kg and they become normies.

Not so much. Apart from Brad Pitt they didnt have later the body you are talking about, especially Dicaprio. Despite they have all become legends...

[Lioncourt]

Or you can save money and do it yourself and look sexy in the process

A car crash after my fixing makes everything looking bloody sexy.

[Celestia]

A car crash after my fixing makes everything looking bloody sexy.

Lmaoo
Okay you got me.
Safety is sexier

[kalach]

Not so much. Apart from Brad Pitt they didnt have later the body you are talking about, especially Dicaprio. Despite they have all become legends...

That's why Pitt looks much better than 2 of them. He was +40 on Furry.

[pajkosbalna]

That's why Pitt looks much better than 2 of them. He was +40 on Furry.

And he wasnt even furry :bored0:

Besides i still think you are kidding, but was funny how much i got engaged to the debate tho.

[sean]

In the not-too-distant past, it used to be the case that fat/hairy/ugly men could nevertheless have good careers and be highly respected as individuals, in a way that admittedly has never really been the case with women. This was true of a range of groups: actors, journalists, politicians, porn stars and even sportsmen.

Dude, you're the first one who brought up the subject of objectification. You are wrong and don't have experience to back your claims, just assumptions.

Like almost everything modern feminists and liberals are desperate to complain about, sexual objectification is a completely gender neutral issue. Ads and magazines portray both men and women in a sexual manner, and likewise, games have revealing clothing for both genders, for every busty female celebrity, you have a muscular male celebrity.

This percieved objectification is a consequence and result of their own ideologies. Sexual objectification is a product of cultural marxism in modern society. In today's society, sluts, coalburners, and mental disorders like homosexuality are even being glorified and praised.

However, liberals generally prefer white males in reality to be weak, flabby, and out of breath.

Their ideal male physique: Harvey Weinstein (fat) or Jared Kushner (bean stalk).


Nowadays, however, you only have to pick up any magazine or watch any film, reality show or soap opera to see that men's bodies are just as objectified and put out on display as are women's, if not possibly more so. Nor is this exclusively a Western phenomenon either: Bollywood, for example, is full of scantily-clad musclebound actors nowadays, in a way that was quite rare even in the 1990's.

Dude, I know you are fat and can't even do twenty-push ups without vomiting. Do you seriously believe real women liked fat, racially insecure autists who spend their free time posting 90s pop celebrities (supposedly Kylie Minogue is an anal freak according to her ex Nick Cave, her love of showing her arse in her music videos makes it plausible), classification threads, and topless negro models/celebrities for a decade on an anthro forum? They don't.

https://i.imgur.com/Efk1DSN.jpg

^ The authors of the study said that this demonstrated "white male privilege" (for these men to be desired by straight women and gay men). The capacity for human whining and cope is almost endless unfortunately.

[kratz]

Honestly, I grew up in the 90's consuming mostly American media and ever since the 10's, I've seen a radical cultural change where everything has been subvert. Male heterosexual culture is at an all time low. Anything that caters to men is seem as misogynist and sexist.

[JosephK]

Honestly, I grew up in the 90's consuming mostly American media and ever since the 10's, I've seen a radical cultural change where everything has been subvert. Male heterosexual culture is at an all time low. Anything that caters to men is seem as misogynist and sexist.

I'm tellin' you, man, it's been that way as long as I've been alive, having grown up in the 1970s. But it has become more extreme in recent years, for sure. The days when women were overtly objectified in such a way (as opposed to men) was short-lived (if it ever happened-- I think mostly it's a stereotype with little evidence to support it), but had a short resurgence in the later-mid 1990s (with FHM and similar mags), and that seemed like a reactionary response to the oppressive feminism of the 1980s.

Playboy magazine was always considered pornography and hidden while Cosmopolitan has always been available at checkout counters.

[kratz]

I'm tellin' you, man, it's been that way as long as I've been alive, having grown up in the 1970s. But it has become more extreme in recent years, for sure. The days when women were overtly objectified in such a way (as opposed to men) was short-lived (if it ever happened-- I think mostly it's a stereotype with little evidence to support it), but had a short resurgence in the later-mid 1990s (with FHM and similar mags), and that seemed like a reactionary response to the oppressive feminism of the 1980s.

Playboy magazine was always considered pornography and hidden while Cosmopolitan has always been available at checkout counters.

Hey man, check my latest thread I write about this topic going into much more depth. I agree with you in the radicalization, I've never seen it as bad as today.

[RenaRyuguu]

wut gender equality? lmao