Does Matteo Salvini look non-European?

[Tooting Carmen]

In another forum someone said he does, claiming he looks more Kurdish than Italian!
https://www.dw.com/image/44756932_303.jpghttps://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/salvini-italy-rosary.jpg?w=800&h=533&quality=90https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190828202426-matteo-salvin-i-large-169.jpg

[Kivan]

ItalicRoots will like this thread. xD

[Tooting Carmen]

ItalicRoots will like this thread. xD

That was the forum I was referring to. xD

[Samnium]

ItalicRoots will like this thread. xD

People on Italic Roots are tired from seeing stupid threads on Italian phenotypes and trolling about italians (not the case here though), I'm also tired of that, it's a sane reaction.

[Tooting Carmen]

People on Italic Roots are tired from seeing stupid threads on Italian phenotypes and trolling about italians (not the case here though), I'm also tired of that, it's a sane reaction.

It was an IR member himself who claimed that Salvini looks more Kurdish than Italian (thankfully others argued against him, but even so).

[Avgvstvs]

People on Italic Roots are tired from seeing stupid threads on Italian phenotypes and trolling about italians (not the case here though), I'm also tired of that, it's a sane reaction."Sane" and Italicroots in the same sentence.....[emoji849]

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[Samnium]

"Sane" and Italicroots in the same sentence.....[emoji849]

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I know that there are people here that are very butthurted or that spread lies but they aren't wrong everytime honestly.

I said a "sane" reaction at the beginning of this forum, now it's other thing.

[Ethel]

No, but he wouldn't pass anywhere north of Trentino either, hardly as atypical Bavarian. I think he looks kinda Turkish too, could some member from Turkey confirm if this proceeds?

[Tooting Carmen]

Just to clarify: I think Salvini looks like a marginally darker-than-average Italian. However, the fact that apparently some Italians think he looks foreign, when he is pretty far from being the darkest and most exotic Italian there is, is pretty complexed and ridiculous.

[Avgvstvs]

I know that there are people here that are very butthurted or that spread lies but they aren't wrong everytime honestly.

I said a "sane" reaction at the beginning of this forum, now it's other thing.Ok,got it

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[Kamal900]

He doesn't look remotely Kurdish, rofl. Maybe an inbred, but definitely not non-European looking.

[Roy]

He looks like rather standard Italian to me. Nothing typically Kurdish about him, for sure.

[Avgvstvs]

I can't understand what's so kurdish about him......he doesn't look it at all

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[Samnium]

It was an IR member himself who claimed that Salvini looks more Kurdish than Italian (thankfully others argued against him, but even so).

Yeah I still don't see the Kurdish/Turkish in Salvini, people are mad sometimes, this is Salvini younger :

https://www.freeweed.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/un-giovane-matteo-salvini.jpg
https://le-citazioni.it/media/authors/20403_matteo-salvini.jpeg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ARc-sasjjyo/VHCGkSa7f5I/AAAAAAAAKic/awnwOvVap38/s1600/matteo%2Bsalvini%2B-%2Bil%2Bpranzo%2Be%2Bservito%2B-%2B1993.jpg
https://milano.corriere.it/methode_image/2018/10/29/Milano/Foto%20Milano%20-%20Trattate/11710495-U43500633628465wHD-U3050720546034LCD-656x492@Corriere-Web-Milano.jpg

He pass just very well where I live (French Alps) I don't see anything exotic, now he's older + strange "beard" + some weight. His hair has darkened as well. He has completely "changed" physically.

[Samnium]

This is Salvini, something like 15 years old, he looks Turkish ? :

https://static2.oggi.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/matteo_salvini_quiz_tv_corrado_tedeschi.jpg?v=1401 884648

[Avgvstvs]

Yeah I still don't see the Kurdish/Turkish in Salvini, people are mad sometimes, this is Salvini younger :

https://www.freeweed.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/un-giovane-matteo-salvini.jpg
https://le-citazioni.it/media/authors/20403_matteo-salvini.jpeg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ARc-sasjjyo/VHCGkSa7f5I/AAAAAAAAKic/awnwOvVap38/s1600/matteo%2Bsalvini%2B-%2Bil%2Bpranzo%2Be%2Bservito%2B-%2B1993.jpg
https://milano.corriere.it/methode_image/2018/10/29/Milano/Foto%20Milano%20-%20Trattate/11710495-U43500633628465wHD-U3050720546034LCD-656x492@Corriere-Web-Milano.jpg

He pass just very well where I live (French Alps) I don't see anything exotic, now he's older + strange "beard" + some weight. His hair has endarkened as well. He has completely "changed" physically.That member from IR isn't a bad guy but he likely thinks every dark haired/eyed european passes as kurd,that's the impression i've always had.

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[Kamal900]

Yeah I still don't see the Kurdish/Turkish in Salvini, people are mad sometimes, this is Salvini younger :

https://www.freeweed.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/un-giovane-matteo-salvini.jpg
https://le-citazioni.it/media/authors/20403_matteo-salvini.jpeg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ARc-sasjjyo/VHCGkSa7f5I/AAAAAAAAKic/awnwOvVap38/s1600/matteo%2Bsalvini%2B-%2Bil%2Bpranzo%2Be%2Bservito%2B-%2B1993.jpg
https://milano.corriere.it/methode_image/2018/10/29/Milano/Foto%20Milano%20-%20Trattate/11710495-U43500633628465wHD-U3050720546034LCD-656x492@Corriere-Web-Milano.jpg

He pass just very well where I live (French Alps) I don't see anything exotic, now he's older + strange "beard" + some weight. His hair has endarkened as well. He has completely "changed" physically.

I wouldn't say completely, but he didn't really aged well. I mean, my dad look different when he was younger:
https://i.ibb.co/JHZGLDz/scan0010.jpg

As he aged, it seems that he had gotten more Alpine or something:
https://i.ibb.co/2NTzJgF/DSCF0003.jpg

[Samnium]

I wouldn't say completely, but he didn't really aged well. I mean, my dad look different when he was younger:
https://i.ibb.co/JGLDz/sca10.jpg

As he aged, it seems that he had gotten more Alpine or something:
https://i.ibb.co/2NTgF/DSCF0.jpg

Yeah he had a different "vibe" younger and he was definitely less "woggy", but even nowadays he still doesn't look kurdish/turkish.

[Tooting Carmen]

Post in question: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italicroots/which-pass-better-in-italy-north-iran-vs-costal-al-t6379-s20.html#p97015
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italicroots/which-pass-better-in-italy-north-iran-vs-costal-al-t6379-s20.html#p97019
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italicroots/which-pass-better-in-italy-north-iran-vs-costal-al-t6379-s40.html#p97080

[Kivan]

It was an IR member himself who claimed that Salvini looks more Kurdish than Italian (thankfully others argued against him, but even so).

Answering the question, he doesn't look Kurdish at all but he could pass as Anatolian Turkish. He looks like this Turkish comedian:

https://scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/71108869_106228250718850_6223747458681775176_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=VZ86U6sfMvkAX_yvsOD&oh=047b4ddf13e32ce59acccc92ccbefbfd&oe=5E9B293F

https://scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/72368738_142268463796318_602967165863924174_n.jpg? _nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=yznUxdDVYFIAX9Bxo7J&oh=b8b5c4122d1d4eb42b2458af77b747ec&oe=5EA758F8

[Tooting Carmen]

Answering the question, he doesn't look Kurdish at all but he could pass as Anatolian Turkish. He looks like this Turkish comedian:

https://scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/71108869_106228250718850_6223747458681775176_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=VZ86U6sfMvkAX_yvsOD&oh=047b4ddf13e32ce59acccc92ccbefbfd&oe=5E9B293F

https://scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/72368738_142268463796318_602967165863924174_n.jpg? _nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=yznUxdDVYFIAX9Bxo7J&oh=b8b5c4122d1d4eb42b2458af77b747ec&oe=5EA758F8

Yeah but it is more the case that the Turk looks European than Salvini looks Middle Eastern.:)

[Samnium]

Yeah but it is more the case that the Turk looks European than Salvini looks Middle Eastern.:)

Salvini is a regular italian, nothing so exotic.

I've seen way way more exotic guys like "Meztizo" or "Latino" looking Southern Italians (sometimes it denotes Gypo admixture I would say)

[Kivan]

Yeah but it is more the case that the Turk looks European than Salvini looks Middle Eastern.:)

Depends on your definition of Middle-Eastern and European looking. MENA looking for me would be something like Arabid, Berberid, Syrid, etc.

[Tooting Carmen]

Depends on your definition of Middle-Eastern and European looking. MENA looking for me would be something like Arabid, Berberid, Syrid, etc.

Well yes, and neither Salvini nor the Turkish man come close.

[Marmara]

Yeah but it is more the case that the Turk looks European than Salvini looks Middle Eastern.:)

Salvini looks Middle Eastern.

[Joso]

Fat people have more difficult to proper breath, that could have affected his look somehow

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Many europeans look like Salvini

He can pass as typical from Central Italy, South Italy, Balkans to Chipre/Georgia/Armenia/Lebanon/Turkey/Syria.

He can pass as atypical even in Austria and Iran.

He also fit pretty well in Buenos Aires.

[Vermes]

https://i.ibb.co/bRqcvXK/ss.jpg (https://ibb.co/84T1x97)

https://i.ibb.co/hd2CjP5/ss2.jpg (https://ibb.co/B6TwxXD)

[brennus dux gallorum]

He doesn't look non-European, he just doesn't look what many northern Italian nationalists claim themselves to be: Germanic. Many or most of southern Europeans have the same pigmentation with him, his main non-southern Euro trait is his brachycephalism, but that's something pretty common in northern Italy

North Italians are not less southern European than their southern countrymen

As for if he could be mena, an atypical one yes he could be.

[Avgvstvs]

He doesn't look non-European, he just doesn't look what many northern Italian nationalists claim themselves to be: Germanic. Many or most of southern Europeans have the same pigmentation with him, his main non-southern Euro trait is his brachycephalism, but that's something pretty common in northern Italy

North Italians are not less southern European than their southern countrymen

As for if he could be mena, an atypical one yes he could be.Not less southern in terms of look? Well yes,southerners have different vibe and phenos but Northern ones fall in the southern european spectrum too,so yes both are southern euro looking of course. A difference is that Northern Italy has more central euro looking folks,but they're not the majority.

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[Desperado]

he looks normal but talks like a weasel

[Tooting Carmen]

He doesn't look non-European, he just doesn't look what many northern Italian nationalists claim themselves to be: Germanic. Many or most of southern Europeans have the same pigmentation with him, his main non-southern Euro trait is his brachycephalism, but that's something pretty common in northern Italy

North Italians are not less southern European than their southern countrymen

As for if he could be mena, an atypical one yes he could be.

When an Italian claims that Salvini looks 'too exotic' to be Italian, when a Greek makes outlandish claims about the percentage of people with light hair and eyes in certain regions, when a Spaniard opens a thread called "the stupidity of the Mediterranean label" etc. it is time to sit up and take notice. What explains this derangement? Inferiority complex, a bastardised version of pan-Europeanism, or both?

[Zeno]

When an Italian claims that Salvini looks 'too exotic' to be Italian, when a Greek makes outlandish claims about the percentage of people with light hair and eyes in certain regions, when a Spaniard opens a thread called "the stupidity of the Mediterranean label" etc. it is time to sit up and take notice. What explains this derangement? Inferiority complex, a bastardised version of pan-Europeanism, or both?

Yeah, Carmen, I released some relative data at these times. And I visited these regions I'm referring to. And it's not even an inferiority complex. Just what reality is.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah, Carmen, I released some relative data at these times. And I visited these regions I'm referring to. And it's not even an inferiority complex. Just what reality is.

Those kinds of figures you gave about light hair and eyes for Northern Greece would look outlandish even for Croatia and (most of) France.

[Smeagol]

He looks more South European than anything but can pass in Turkey/Levant/South Caucasus as atypical.

[Voskos]

No. He has a pseudomongoloid look many Europeans have.

[Zeno]

Those kinds of figures you gave about light hair and eyes for Northern Greece would look outlandish even for Croatia and (most of) France.

Yeah, no.

[Marmara]

He looks more South European than anything but can pass in Turkey/Levant/South Caucasus as atypical.

Atypical? Hahahaha.

[itilvolga]

He can pass as Turkish easily but I wouldn’t guess him as Kurd at all

[Tauromachos]

Nope he looks normal Italian

[sean]

Female Salvini looks white lel.

https://i.imgur.com/3KmCUcq.jpg

[Sora]

He can pass as Turkish, Azeri, Georgian or Armenian

[anaise]

Looks Turkish to me, but you still find some types like him in Europe.

[Ion Basescul]

I don't see what's so hard in understanding that some Europeans and Near Easterners can and will look similar. Salvini is one of those cases. Should pass anywhere from Turkey, Georgia and down to Lebanon, Israel and possibly Iran.
When you are thinking of Middle Easterners, you probably have Pakistanis and Bedouins at the back of your mind.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't see what's so hard in understanding that some Europeans and Near Easterners can and will look similar. Salvini is one of those cases.

It's not that he can pass in the Near East that is the issue. It is claiming that he looks foreign for his native Italy that is bizarre.

[Scandal]

Well, he passes in Middle East easier than in Sweden/Poland, that is for sure (and there's nothing wrong with that)
He just loooks like an Italian to me though.
I voted "No" in the poll. Types like this are native to Europe.

[MinervaItalica]

That was the forum I was referring to. xD

This is why you are always targeted by them and this anthrotard war between IR and Apricity will never end. Focus on what happend on Apricity and don't provoke IR.

[savvas]

No, his skin is too white and his hair is too straight:

https://i.imgur.com/I3e4zlo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j8C7SpT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wPuj4t0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VImC6Fn.jpg

Shaved Salvini can pass in many hapa places (Turkey included), but overall his facial structure looks infinitely more European than many blond southern ''Italians'' who still retain a pseudo-Semitic look.

https://i.imgur.com/rZDWxJO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJlmFMp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WXaAQBH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wIjb6Eb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mciYVha.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VYw5Dat.jpg

[Anaximander]

[QUOTE=savvas;6555511]No, his skin is too white and his hair is too straight:

Shaved Salvini can pass in many hapa places (Turkey included), but overall his facial structure looks infinitely more European than many blond southern ''Italians'' who still retain a pseudo-Semitic look.

And he is not the only one. More of these ''Northern Vikings'' separatists


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdLig5mFTqg&t=40s

[Samnium]

I have to add something, I think that he can pass in Turkey/Caucasus and maybe Levant, definitely, but like many Italians. Southern Euro "looks" aren't exclusive to Southern Europe even if in other countries they are often "mixed" and a tiny minority.

[Ion Basescul]

It's not that he can pass in the Near East that is the issue. It is claiming that he looks foreign for his native Italy that is bizarre.

Ah, that I don't agree with. I've seen native Italians who outright looked North African. Salvini is pretty much North European by comparison.

[Avgvstvs]

[QUOTE=savvas;6555511]No, his skin is too white and his hair is too straight:

Shaved Salvini can pass in many hapa places (Turkey included), but overall his facial structure looks infinitely more European than many blond southern ''Italians'' who still retain a pseudo-Semitic look.

And he is not the only one. More of these ''Northern Vikings'' separatists


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdLig5mFTqg&t=40sThat video is bullshit

Arab music and the people don't look arab....but most importantly some of those people are not north italians



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[Samnium]

Ah, that I don't agree with. I've seen native Italians who outright looked North African. Salvini is pretty much North European by comparison.

Honestly, North-African Italians looking are very rare.

In my opinion, exotic Italians look more like Levantine/Caucasus/Turks/Jews, North-Africans have very peculiar look + important SSA influence.

[Avgvstvs]

Honestly, North-African Italians looking are very rare.

In my opinion, exotic Italians look more like Levantine/Caucasus/Turks/Jews, North-Africans have very peculiar look + important SSA influence.You're right

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[Samnium]

You're right

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I think that North-African types can happen in Iberia or in Sicily where the "NA" admixture is quite strong, but it's rare. In other italian regions where the "NA" component is really tiny you won't see that.

I've never seen a North-African looking Umbrian or Molisan.

[Gondor]

With all that is going around the world right now, that's your concern at the moment? LoL at people that take the bait of this type of thread.

[Avgvstvs]

I think that North-African types can happen in Iberia or in Sicily where the "NA" admixture is quite strong, but it's rare. In other italian regions where the "NA" component is really tiny you won't see that.

I've never seen a North-African looking Umbrian or Molisan.I agree

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[CommonSense]

I can see him passing easily as a Turk, but not Levantine or North African.

[Joso]

Well, he passes in Middle East easier than in Sweden/Poland, that is for sure (and there's nothing wrong with that)
He just loooks like an Italian to me though.
I voted "No" in the poll. Types like this are native to Europe.

I misread the question of the poll :picard1:

[Joso]

Thinking better, his hair pigmentation does look very dark and he seens to have some Middle Eastern/Caucasus-like traits, he looks a bit like a Jew imo and in his young photos, i can see some resemblance to Steve Jobs, who was half Armenian and half German, if i am not mistaken..

[Avgvstvs]

Thinking better, his hair pigmentation does look very dark and seens to have some Middle Eastern/Caucasus-like traits, he looks a bit like a Jew imo and i can see some resemblance to Steve Jobs, who was half Armenian and half German, if i am not mistaken..Half syrian half German i think

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[Joso]

Half syrian half German i think

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Yeah, right

[Alenka]

Looks Dinarid. He would pass way better here than as Kurdish.

[The Blade]

No. Atlanto-Med.

[alnortedelsur]

He looks very southern European, but not non-European at all.

[MinervaItalica]

With all that is going around the world right now, that's your concern at the moment? LoL at people that take the bait of this type of thread.

THIS

[caviezel]

If Salvini looks Turkish, then I wonder if German tennis player Karsten Braasch looks Kurdish.

https://www.kelocks-autogramme.de/out/pictures/generated/product/1/540_340_75/002861.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Some Southern Europeans, some Balkanites included produce individuals whose phenotypes wouldn't look out of place in nearby non-European countries. What's the surprise here? Are we really shocked by this?

[Renekton]

He looks European

[Tooting Carmen]

If Salvini looks Turkish, then I wonder if German tennis player Karsten Braasch looks Kurdish.

https://www.kelocks-autogramme.de/out/pictures/generated/product/1/540_340_75/002861.jpg

I am not saying I think Salvini looks non-Euro, I am saying an Italian forum user did.

[Joso]

No. Atlanto-Med.

He looks more like a Greek than like an Iberian, don't you think so?

[Nurzat]

Salvini looks very Tuscan and Etruscan - a local (Italic) blend of robust Alpine

[Avgvstvs]

Salvini looks very Tuscan and Etruscan - a local (Italic) blend of robust AlpineHe doesn't look particularly Tuscan nor etruscan and he's not even Alpine



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[Nurzat]

He doesn't look particularly Tuscan nor etruscan and he's not even Alpine

with an Eastern eye I would never guess him other than Italian, French, Swiss etc, therefore the Alpine region. would never think he's Greek or Levantine, he just doesn't have any Oriental vibe to his look.

[Avgvstvs]

with an Eastern eye I would never guess him other than Italian, French, Swiss etc, therefore the Alpine region. would never think he's Greek or Levantine, he just doesn't have any Oriental vibe to his look.Yes but he doesn't look very Tuscan, he would of course pass but doesn't look like that at first.

I agree about the lack of oriental vibe.

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[Samnium]

He doesn't look particularly Tuscan nor etruscan and he's not even Alpine



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He looks "Alpine" because he has gained weight and the beard that's all.

But if you see the younger pictures, he looks very Alpine Italian IMO

[Joso]

With all that is going around the world right now, that's your concern at the moment? LoL at people that take the bait of this type of thread.

Agree, doesn't matter his phenotype, what matters is his if he does job right

[Nomansman]

He can pass as Turkish easily but I wouldn’t guess him as Kurd at all

You sure about that? I think i seen a couple of kurds in denmark that look similiar to him

[Gondor]

this thread..... :picard2::picard2::picard2::picard2::picard2:

[The Blade]

He looks more like a Greek than like an Iberian, don't you think so?
He fits fine as both, in my opinion.

[Crnagoraurus]

When he was young he looked like a typical south italian,nowadays he resembles turks more.He doesn't look remotely greek or iberian.


If Salvini looks Turkish, then I wonder if German tennis player Karsten Braasch looks Kurdish.

https://www.kelocks-autogramme.de/out/pictures/generated/product/1/540_340_75/002861.jpg

Stereotypical ashkenazi look.

[trebil]

In another forum someone said he does, claiming he looks more Kurdish than Italian!

Coronavirus is coming also to you!

[Gondor]

So Salvini looks Kurd , so I typed "kurds" on google image, just to verify , and holy shit these people look Pakistani, are these pictures representative? (In Italy I would think that they are gypsies)

https://www.google.com/search?q=kurds&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk00sZUhK9adyXfhYXLqRRn-flIgamA:1584290101585&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlmufF9JzoAhWylosKHf2lBeoQ_AUoAXoECBkQA w

[Gondor]

Anyway literally 50% of Italians look more MENA than Salvini

[Corded]

looks dinarid + some med. looks albanian in some pics

[Mrc_]

No. If Salvini is "exotic" , so half north italy is "exotic" lol. Please no bullshit of complexed wannabe nordic.

[caviezel]

He doesn't look West Asian to me. he's not swarthy by my standards. probably he would be swarthy to Benjamin Franklin but Franklin also considered Swedish and Russians to be people of color so go figure.

https://thevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MIL02F4_6861314F1_21794.jpg

[Roy]

I don't think he looks Kurdish, to me he looks European.

[yamagi]

He's Pan West Eurasian, can fit anywhere from France to Iran.

[Tooting Carmen]

He doesn't look West Asian to me. he's not swarthy by my standards. probably he would be swarthy to Benjamin Franklin but Franklin also considered Swedish and Russians to be people of color so go figure.

https://thevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MIL02F4_6861314F1_21794.jpg

Who is the guy standing to Salvini's left with the glasses?

[PaleoEuropean]

looks like a fairly normal Italian, doesn't look Kurd to me.

[catgeorge]

Italicroots are idiots that need their voiceboxes ripped out from their bellybuttons.

[Joso]

I think he looks European but at the ending side of the spectrum

[Padanian]

Not at all. Alpine-Med + Dinarid, looks very Italian

[crunchy]

dinarid+alpine
he looks more like a mafia boss who could shoot anyone in the foot at any moment. Badass :)

[Roy]

No, he does not look non-European.