Pass people from Slobozia Mare, Cahul district, the most southern village in Moldova.

[Aspirin]

This village is locate very close to Danube Delta.

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[Viridian1]

These faces are very familiar, near half of them would easily pass in Poland. They are just more dark haired than Poles. And the word Slobozia sounds very polish :D Gorids, Carpathids are most frequent among them.

[Aileron]

They look a mixture of Poles and regular Balkanians to me

[Aspirin]

These faces are very familiar, near half of them would easily pass in Poland. They are just more dark haired than Poles. And the word Slobozia sounds very polish :D Gorids, Carpathids are most frequent among them.

Yes, Slobozia is of Slavic origin, meaning free town, village or city. Here are many villages with this name.

[Viridian1]

And at first I thought they were rather Moldovian than south Romanian.

[Satem]

These faces are very familiar, near half of them would easily pass in Poland. They are just more dark haired than Poles. And the word Slobozia sounds very polish :D Gorids, Carpathids are most frequent among them.

I totally agree

[Aspirin]

And at first I thought they were rather Moldovian than south Romanian.

Exist some overlap with South Romanians, inclusive South Romanian Moldavians.

This village is located here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F+% D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5/@45.5943066,28.1133269,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40b6e2dff2a957df:0xa55e4253adec0 452!8m2!3d45.5776924!4d28.1724636

[Viridian1]

Exist some overlap with South Romanians, inclusive South Romanian Moldavians.

This village is located here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F+% D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5/@45.5943066,28.1133269,12z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40b6e2dff2a957df:0xa55e4253adec0 452!8m2!3d45.5776924!4d28.1724636

It is all alright, I looked wrongly on the map and I found town Slobozia in Jałomica region southern Romania. Me stupid.:picard2:

[Aspirin]

It is all alright, I looked wrongly on the map and I found town Slobozia in Jałomica region southern Romania. Me stupid.:picard2:

In that city Romanians are visible more Southern, very few in common with people what I posted here.

[Pribislav]

Yes, Slobozia is of Slavic origin, meaning free town, village or city. Here are many villages with this name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan

[Aspirin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan

What do you want to say with this?

[Viridian1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan

Yeah and word sloboda is swoboda in Polish.

[Pribislav]

What do you want to say with this?

Nothing, I am inspired by Slobozia.

[Aspirin]

Yeah and word sloboda is swoboda in Polish.

Slobod is archaic word, meaning free, and is clearly of South Slavic origin. Today is still used time by time by people. From this word derived the word Slobozia.

[Pribislav]

Slobod is archaic word, meaning free, and is clearly of South Slavic origin. Today is still used time by time by people. From this word derived the word Slobozia.

In former Yugoslavia Sloboda is common name for sports clubs (mostly for football clubs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Sloboda_Užice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Sloboda_Tuzla

[Pribislav]

They look between Ukrainians and Balkanites. Some can pass in central Europe.

[Jana]

Yes, between east Balkans and eastern Slavs in my opinion too.

[Aspirin]

In former Yugoslavia Sloboda is common name for sports clubs (mostly for football clubs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Sloboda_Užice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Sloboda_Tuzla

Here exist only Slobozia, Sloboda not. But word slobod exist.

[Aspirin]

Some videos with local high-school graduates.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MivyhwbYjU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ctpBfOI-E

[Aspirin]

Yes, between east Balkans and eastern Slavs in my opinion too.

This village is located very close to Galați, where live a person who "love" you very much. If you know who I mean. :rolleyes:

[Ion Basescul]

I would love to see regional DNA profiles from pretty much all villages if possible.
Take for example Slobozia Mare for which this discussion is about.
They kind of look average Romanian/Moldovan to my eyes, and 99% of them identified as such in 2004. Obviously the percentage would have increased for Romanian by now due to cultural rebirth, but that's beyond the point that I want to raise.

What I want you to notice is that this village switched names from the Romanian Fintina Mare (Big Well) to Slobozia in the 19th century. It is written in historic logs that colonists from South of Danube reached Fintina Mare and formed the colony of Slobozia, which had a population of 52 souls. "La începutul secolului XIX, coloniștii veniți de la sud de Dunăre se împrăștie prin sudul Basarabiei ajungând și la Fîntîna Mare, unde formează colonia Slobozia cu 52 de suflete, conform unor documente din epocă."

So a lot of these people should perhaps have Bulgarian-like ancestry if by Danube historians meant the main section in Romania, or Lipovan Russian if by Danube they meant the Danube Delta section that is immediately South of R. Moldova? Given that Slobozia is a Slavic name, I'd guess so. In the Romanian dictionary, Slobozia means a village, which was formed by colonists.
"SLOBOZÍE, slobozii, s. f. (Înv.) Sat de coloniști (băștinași sau străini) care aveau pe o perioadă oarecare scutire de bir sau de prestații. – Slobod + suf. -ie."

I am also curious to find when their language switched from Slavic to Romance. It should have happend quite quickly, considering that they only lived there for 200 years. Perhaps a lot of mixed marriages with Moldovan Romanians from neighbouring villages took place, which facilitated their cultural assimilation. In fact, given that the village is now called neither Fintina Mare nor Slobozia, as they've been recorded historically, but Slobozia Mare, which pays tribute to "Mare" from "Fintina Mare", leads me to believe that this is exactly what happened.

Going by surnames, even today a lot of them have surnames of obvious foreign influence. I've highlighted the ones that don't come from a Romanian/Moldovan root. I commented the ones that might point to a migration from Bulgaria, while the rest of the highlighted ones are mainly Ukrainian or Lipovan Russian. I don't know the origin for Acciu and Sin (or Sîn?), but they are likely foreign as they don't mean anything in Romanian. Perhaps my Moldovan-speaking friend Aspirin could shed a light on them.

Nr. Ord. Nume de familie Numarul total de familii
1 Girnet 56
2 Bratu 54
3 Balanel 53
4 Covaci 38
5 Acciu 35
6 Placinta 33
7 Culeva 31 Bulgarian
8 Capatina 26
9 Bularu 25
10 Chiciuc 25
11 Pasat 23
12 Bulala 23
13 Brinza 22
14 Sin 22
15 Creciun 20
16 Paladi 20
17 Golea 19
18 Carastan 19 Cara, obvious Turkic origin or Ottoman cultural influence; from Bulgaria?
19 Culea 19 Bulgarian
20 Jantic 17 -îc endings have a Turkic/Gagauz influence and/or origin; another variation of this surname is Jandîc
21 Chiper 17
22 Jurca 16
23 Caragherghi 15 Cara, obvious Turkic origin or Ottoman cultural influence, combined with Romanian Gherghi from Gheorghe; from Bulgaria?
24 Grecu 14 Romanian origin, but it means Greek
25 Chiriac 14
26 Saghin 14
27 Dunaf 13 Danube from Dunai?
28 Petrenco 13
29 Tulum 12
30 Bejenaru 12
31 Mitablinda 12
32 Lungu 11
33 Orzea 11
34 Dragan 11
35 Popa 10
36 Musat 9
37 Neagu 9
38 Ivascu 9
39 Arbuz 9
40 Pana 9
41 Zaporojan 9
42 Munteanu 8
43 Sas 8
44 Craiu 8
45 Cojocaru 8
46 Moldoveanu 8
47 Danilenco 8
48 Movradin 8
49 Dedin 7
50 Covaljiu 7


https://i.imgur.com/u3S3LwM.png.

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobozia_Mare,_Cahul

[Aspirin]

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Yes, they technically need to be more southern genetically, because for sure between them assimilated some migrants from the South, is seen even in the look of some of them. But the real name of the village was Bubuiegi, not Fîntîna Albă, and after the merger with neighbour village Sărăieni was formed today village. The colonists just came in an already populated locality, this is the reason why majority of surnames are Moldavian and people never spoken Bulgarian or other language here. Surnames like Gîrneț, Bratu, Zaporojan, Ivașcu, Golea, Culea are local, about Acciu I don't know.

All colonies with migrants from south of Danube are located deep in Budjak territory, near the Prut river, territory populated mostly by Moldavians, they are inexistent, some full villages with Bulgarians/Gagauz don't exist here, this is seen even by the names of the villages in this area. But on an individual level, some mixation with colonists of course took place, in seen in the surnames ant features of people from that region.

The only case of assimilation of colonists what I know, is the village Bașcalia from Basarabeasca district. Is enough just to look at the top 50 most popular surnames, vast majority are Bulgarian/Gagauz in origin. How this was possible, I don't know

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=1211

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, they technically need to be more southern genetically, because for sure between them assimilated some migrants from the South, is seen even in the look of some of them. But the real name of the village was Bubuiegi, not Fîntîna Albă, and after the merger with neighbour village Sărăieni was formed today village. The colonists just came in an already populated locality, this is the reason why majority of surnames are Moldavian and people never spoken Bulgarian or other language here. Surnames like Gîrneț, Bratu, Zaporojan, Ivașcu, Golea, Culea are local, about Acciu I don't know.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=1211

It's safe to say that most of them are local, considering that they've been living here for a long time. But those don't have a Moldovan or Romanian or call it however else you want origin. For them to be so, they need to mean something.
The only ones that I misquoted and are actually Romanian are Bratu and Girnet. Bratu caught me by surprise, because I've never heard of it and I assumed that it's connected to the word "brat", Russian for brother. However, it appears to be a popular surname in Romania.
Girnet appears in the Romanian dictionary as a regional synonym for a young oak tree. It's probably weird to be named after a tree, but it probably points to people who worked with this kind of wood or who lived among a heavily forested region.

I'm not sure about Golea and Culea, because there are variants such as Golev in Russia/Ukraine and Culev in Bulgaria/Macedonia. Zaporojan is an obvious romanisation that points to Zaporojie in Ukraine. That's where the first Zaporojans probably came from and they could have been either Ukrainians, Cossacks or Tatars, according to the dictionary.

https://dexonline.ro/definitie/zaporojean

[Aspirin]

It's safe to say that most of them are local, considering that they've been living here for a long time. But those don't have a Moldovan or Romanian or call it however else you want origin. For them to be so, they need to mean something.
The only ones that I misquoted and are actually Romanian are Bratu and Girnet. Bratu caught me by surprise, because I've never heard of it and I assumed that it's connected to the word "brat", Russian for brother. However, it appears to be a popular surname in Romania.
Girnet appears in the Romanian dictionary as a regional synonym for a young oak tree. It's probably weird to be named after a tree, but it probably points to people who worked with this kind of wood or who lived among a heavily forested region.

I'm not sure about Golea and Culea, because there are variants such as Golev in Russia/Ukraine and Culev in Bulgaria/Macedonia. Zaporojan is an obvious romanisation that points to Zaporojie in Ukraine. That's where the first Zaporojans probably came from and they could have been either Ukrainians, Cossacks or Tatars, according to the dictionary.

https://dexonline.ro/definitie/zaporojean

Zaporojan is common here, is from the same category as Cazacu, Rusu, Sîrbu, Rusnak, Tataru. Is not properly indication of some recent foreign origin. In Ukraine is popular, especially in Western Ukraine, the surname Voloshin, but to count such people as persons of recent Romanian/Vlach/Moldavian ancestry is impossible, and dumb.

Even in Russian is written what this surname, especially with such termination, can be of Moldavian origin.



Фамилия Запорожан ведет свое начало от прозвища Запорожан. Фамилия Запорожан, вероятно, ведет свое начало от аналогичного прозвища. Прозвище Запорожан мог получить выходец из города Запорожье либо из Запорожского края, расположенного за Днепром. Кроме того, не исключено, что предок обладателя данной фамилии был казаком Запорожской Сечи (общественно-политической и военной организации украинского казачества за Днепровскими порогами в XVI—XVIII веках).Следует отметить, что фамилия Запорожан широко распространена не только в Украине, но и в Молдавии. Поэтому не исключено, что данная фамилия является вариантом молдавской фамилии Запорожану. Она также происходит от топонима Запорожье и образована с помощью фамильного суффикса –eanu (с помощью этого суффикса образуются в основном фамилии, восходящие к топонимическим названиям).


Just look where this surname is concentrated in Ukraine.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D 0%BD

[Ion Basescul]

Zaporojan is common here, is from the same category as Cazacu, Rusu, Sîrbu, Rusnak, Tataru. Is not properly indication of some recent foreign origin. In Ukraine is popular, especially in Western Ukraine, the surname Voloshin, but to count such people as persons of recent Romanian/Vlach/Moldavian ancestry is impossible, and dumb.

Even in Russian is written what this surname, especially with such termination, can be of Moldavian origin.



Just look where this surname is concentrated in Ukraine.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D 0%BD

No, you don't understand. Apart from Bulgarians, Gagauz and some Russians and Ukrainians who were relocated here in Soviet times, most people have been living here for a long time. However, surnames can point at a distant origin at least on the paternal side. Think of them as the primitive version of Y-DNA.

You wouldn't expect a Moldovan/Romanian to suddenly start calling himself Tataru for shits and giggles. I'm assuming that it started off with a Tatar ancestor and over time that ancestry probably got dilluted completely. The same goes for the rest of them.

[Ion Basescul]

Just look where this surname is concentrated in Ukraine.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D 0%BD

That's why I said that it's romanised. However, the root stems from Zaporozhye, the region and city in Southcentral Ukraine.
The original was probably closer to Zaporozhets, which is the more widespread version in Ukraine, but the version in Moldova got adapted to local realities over time. That's why we see the Romanian ending in territories where Romanians used/use to live.

ЗАПОРОЖАН
(трансл. Zaporozhan, рос. Запорожан)
Налічує 848 носіїв.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D 1%86%D1%8C
ЗАПОРОЖЕЦЬ
(трансл. Zaporozhets', рос. Запорожец)
Налічує 7564 носіїв.
Найчастіше - на Придніпров'ї


ЗАПОРОЖЧЕНКО
(трансл. Zaporozhchenko, рос. Запорожченко)
Налічує 1882 носіїв.

[Aspirin]

Old Soviet video from 1977 about local culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngKP7xbCL4c

[aherne]

I can only state the obvious: they look in between other Romanians and Russians. Slavic element is very strong...

[WeirdLookingFellow]

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Had a high school colleague named Bratu but Galați has quite a few diverse people, Rusu and Tătaru are not uncommon family names.