What do various SE Asian ethnicities look like?

[Trouble]

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[Sora]

As I've observed:

Vietnamese are the most Mongoloid-looking.
Others look Indian-admixed, especially Indonesians & Malays look more Indian with some Mongoloid features.

[GaneshD'Souza]

There's a bit of a range in the Philippines. I'll break them up into categories.

Category 1- Predominately Australoid (Negrito) people. They can range from looking only half black to looking fully black. They're less than 1% of the population

https://i.ibb.co/MDQCVn7/15836728639-f23a94e168-b.jpg
https://i1.trekearth.com/photos/1976/ati.jpg

Category 2- Australoid/Southern Mongoloid mixed. Maybe 20-25% of the population
https://contents.pep.ph/images2/news/2016-09-07_19:35:47_Ylona-Garcia.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/RTJXpL5/20190205-elections-senator-2726.jpg
https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1494/25787161781_bf1874c743_b.jpg

Category 3- Predominately Southern Mongoloid. Maybe 60% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/2vLJncW/Manny-Pacquiao.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1RtNQzB/Marydale-Entrata.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hshnY4B/20190725-sarah.jpg

Category 4- Could pass as East Asian (especially Southern Chinese) because of Chinese admixture or by coincidence. ~15-20% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/KjS1t9P/Gretchen-Ho.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/dDrjqbH/MV5-BMDc2-NTEw-NDQt-Yzdm-ZS00-OWE2-LTli-N2-Yt-YTlm-M2-Rj-Nz-Jh-N2-Ri-L2lt-YWdl-L2lt-YWdl-Xk-Ey-Xk-Fqc-Gde-QXVy-NTI5-Nj-Iy-Mw-V1-UY1200-CR57-0-630-1200-AL.jpg

Category 5- Spanish-mixed Filipinos. They can range from looking only partially Spanish all the way to full-blown European. <1% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/tcYy4Zm/Natureand-Intent-Katrina-Razon-04.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3rSx5N6/carlos.png

Honorable mention- Indians. You can find them scattered throughout the country, but they're more of an immigrant group rather than assimilated Filipinos. Maybe in a few generations they'll be Filipinos. Here's a large crowd of Punjabis in Manila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zYQynI2tTc

As for other ASEAN countries.

Vietnam has a range typically limited to categories 3 and 4. There are some people in category 2, but only a small population.

Cambodia ranges from categories 2 to 4. They also have a stronger Indian component, which often resembles category 2's phenotype.

Thailand has a range from categories 1 to 4. But they only have 1 Negrito tribe and it's almost extinct. Their Chinese population is much bigger than the Philippines.

Indonesia also ranges from 1 to 4, but they have a lot more Australoid people, especially as you go further East. I've read that there is a large Arab component in the population, but they seem thoroughly integrated into the general population. They used to have a large European/Eurasian population, but they have almost completely fled the country.

Malaysia ranges from 1 to 4 as well, but they don't have Papuans like Indonesia. They have Negritos. Their Chinese population is large, almost a quarter of the population. And their Indian population is sizable, around 7%. They're mostly Tamils, unlike the Philippines where they're mostly Northern Indians.

East Timor is almost completely category 2, with some individuals in categories 1 and 3

[Ingenious]

There's a bit of a range in the Philippines. I'll break them up into categories.

Category 1- Predominately Australoid (Negrito) people. They can range from looking only half black to looking fully black. They're less than 1% of the population

https://i.ibb.co/MDQCVn7/15836728639-f23a94e168-b.jpg
https://i1.trekearth.com/photos/1976/ati.jpg

Category 2- Australoid/Southern Mongoloid mixed. Maybe 20-25% of the population
https://contents.pep.ph/images2/news/2016-09-07_19:35:47_Ylona-Garcia.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/RTJXpL5/20190205-elections-senator-2726.jpg
https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1494/25787161781_bf1874c743_b.jpg

Category 3- Predominately Southern Mongoloid. Maybe 60% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/2vLJncW/Manny-Pacquiao.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1RtNQzB/Marydale-Entrata.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hshnY4B/20190725-sarah.jpg

Category 4- Could pass as East Asian (especially Southern Chinese) because of Chinese admixture or by coincidence. ~15-20% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/KjS1t9P/Gretchen-Ho.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/dDrjqbH/MV5-BMDc2-NTEw-NDQt-Yzdm-ZS00-OWE2-LTli-N2-Yt-YTlm-M2-Rj-Nz-Jh-N2-Ri-L2lt-YWdl-L2lt-YWdl-Xk-Ey-Xk-Fqc-Gde-QXVy-NTI5-Nj-Iy-Mw-V1-UY1200-CR57-0-630-1200-AL.jpg

Category 5- Spanish-mixed Filipinos. They can range from looking only partially Spanish all the way to full-blown European. <1% of the population
https://i.ibb.co/tcYy4Zm/Natureand-Intent-Katrina-Razon-04.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3rSx5N6/carlos.png

Honorable mention- Indians. You can find them scattered throughout the country, but they're more of an immigrant group rather than assimilated Filipinos. Maybe in a few generations they'll be Filipinos. Here's a large crowd of Punjabis in Manila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zYQynI2tTc

As for other ASEAN countries.

Vietnam has a range typically limited to categories 3 and 4. There are some people in category 2, but only a small population.

Cambodia ranges from categories 2 to 4. They also have a stronger Indian component, which often resembles category 2's phenotype.

Thailand has a range from categories 1 to 4. But they only have 1 Negrito tribe and it's almost extinct. Their Chinese population is much bigger than the Philippines.

Indonesia also ranges from 1 to 4, but they have a lot more Australoid people, especially as you go further East. I've read that there is a large Arab component in the population, but they seem thoroughly integrated into the general population. They used to have a large European/Eurasian population, but they have almost completely fled the country.

Malaysia ranges from 1 to 4 as well, but they don't have Papuans like Indonesia. They have Negritos. Their Chinese population is large, almost a quarter of the population. And their Indian population is sizable, around 7%. They're mostly Tamils, unlike the Philippines where they're mostly Northern Indians.

East Timor is almost completely category 2, with some individuals in categories 1 and 3

The chinese guy you posted has no roots to the Philippines btw...he is a first generation immigrant to Philippines from Taiwan

[GaneshD'Souza]

The chinese guy you posted has no roots to the Philippines btw...he is a first generation immigrant to Philippines from Taiwan

Most of the wealthy Chinese don't have roots in the Philippines. Let me look at the list of the top 10 wealthiest Filipinos. Henry Sy (owner of SM) was born in China. Lucio Tan (owner of Philippine Airlines) was born in China. John Gokongwei, Andrew Tan, and George Ty were all born in China. Both of Tony Tan Caktiong's parents were born in China. 6 of the 10 wealthiest Filipinos dont even have roots in the Philippines. But we just consider them Filipinos anyway

[Ingenious]

Most of the wealthy Chinese don't have roots in the Philippines. Let me look at the list of the top 10 wealthiest Filipinos. Henry Sy (owner of SM) was born in China. Lucio Tan (owner of Philippine Airlines) was born in China. John Gokongwei, Andrew Tan, and George Ty were all born in China. Both of Tony Tan Caktiong's parents were born in China. 6 of the 10 wealthiest Filipinos dont even have roots in the Philippines. But we just consider them Filipinos anyway

Special considerations have been made for them for their contributions to the country

[Sora]

Malay/Indonesian peoples:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/yuliang11/yuliang111401/yuliang11140100033/24944265-malay-family-having-fun-in-the-park-malaysian-people.jpg

https://sarawaktourism.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/index.proxy-2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Malay_couple.jpg/1200px-Malay_couple.jpg

https://www.ourworldtowander.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Irma-with-her-friends-1024x699.jpg

https://www.aworldtotravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/130743908192-met-so-many-cool-guys-at-prambanan-temple-this-e1448917916268-1050x721.jpg

https://authentic-indonesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/family-come-first-in-indonesia-culture.jpg

Thai/Cambodian peoples:

https://g3.dcdn.lt/images/pix/880x550/p28RPdw-eKE/reflexpoint-therapists-in-vilnius-77147319.jpg

https://static.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20180408/c1_1442834_180408144458.jpg

https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/S__68108290.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BR6B9J/cambodian-people-cambodia-BR6B9J.jpg

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fc7298922-8058-11e8-af48-190d103e32a4?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700

Vietnamese people:

https://vietnamtimes.org.vn/stores/news_dataimages/vietnamfriendshipcomvn/052019/13/07/new-association-formed-to-help-vietnamese-people-come-and-stay-on-pei-14-.9976.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/eKGtJvhI6W1sCs43vzU0NKTN277bYeiMZhmjnKWjZ-CeoAukJQ-_qTwphjCl5yDTvtKGDWUEdjrpfrwNNc9soYc_klKWWMTxKyGvn vsoSRHpWcv80JNOhMDkgm5oZfqKRvg5Ry87Qotp6CfMvhY

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RYJYWD/three-vietnamese-girls-vung-tau-vietnam-RYJYWD.jpg

https://st3.depositphotos.com/1643295/18326/i/1600/depositphotos_183263090-stock-photo-happy-vietnamese-young-people-taking.jpg

Filipino people:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XFESupblyKU/TbovaWy6uAI/AAAAAAAAAEI/HFSzaUCDT98/s1600/pd2362625.jpg

https://www.vaticannews.va/content/dam/vaticannews/agenzie/images/srv/2019/12/15/2019-12-15-santa-messa-per-la-comunita--filippina/1576424670137.JPG/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.cropped.750.422.jpeg

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/filipino-group-people-holding-philippines-260nw-1399297271.jpg

https://www.gethealthysmc.org/sites/main/files/imagecache/medium/filipino_extended_family2.jpg?1559231710

From most Mongoloid-looking to Indian-looking: Vietnamese>Filipino>Cambodian/Thai>Malay/Indonesian

[GaneshD'Souza]

^ Why is Indian one end of the spectrum when it should be Australoid? Southeast Asians are more mixed with Australoid than Indian. The spectrum ranges from East Asian-passing to fully Australoid.

And I think Thais and Filipinos are equal and basically identical.

Indian ancestry in Filipinos is highly underestimated. Based on 23andme, the average Filipino is mixed with a small amount of Indian, just like Thais and Indonesians are. I haven't noticed Filipinos having less Indian than those two groups.

Here's all the Filipinos on 23andme subreddit who posted their photo with their results

1.
https://i.redd.it/4aaynnci42141.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/31jl34h1u9l41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/o1wncnr9ibn41.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/57r6ywchzcm41.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/y7rnekdyewg41.png

6.
https://i.redd.it/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

7.
https://i.redd.it/42e1tvhnlee41.png

8.
https://i.redd.it/3sfvmkk1lmh41.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

10. This one is half Thai
https://i.redd.it/gei93wyoolh41.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/6ov1xoojvva41.png

12.
https://i.redd.it/u8zpoky899641.jpg

13.
https://i.redd.it/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

14.
https://i.imgur.com/OYkYXiS.jpg

15.
https://i.redd.it/7jjgoo2l7xl41.jpg

16.
https://i.redd.it/ukw53jsxtvq21.png

17.
https://i.redd.it/jruyblbxlnd41.jpg

18.
https://i.redd.it/a21jdc18edl41.png

19.
https://i.redd.it/875n04t2qax31.jpg[/QUOTE]


And here's all the Indonesians
1.
https://i.redd.it/cjvpauh0i0o41.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/lbkaph1ex6i41.png

3.
https://i.redd.it/1mfb1z11vg441.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/el4c4xapvbi11.png


Vietnamese

1.
https://i.redd.it/r5rodam4ogh31.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/igyyay7a0za41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/0or4lxsa8lv31.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/49ts38oiqyu31.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/igdaxye5opv31.png

6.
https://i.imgur.com/jatKPS6.jpg

7.
https://i.imgur.com/4iBQUTk.jpg

8.
https://i.redd.it/jsjocfr5oz731.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/9bfm1uiit4i21.png

10.
https://i.redd.it/hfk823te58841.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/p5p7kqzylmd41.png

Cambodian

1.
https://i.redd.it/6ggpearagq041.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/o5i0pymolpt31.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/vw729qca4i931.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/i6ln0v2i44i31.jpg

5.
https://i.redd.it/io4leu59wp831.jpg

I don't notice a difference between the amount of Indian that Filipinos, Cambodians, and Indonesians get. All generally a low amount, but usually present nonetheless

[Trouble]

^ Why is Indian one end of the spectrum when it should be Australoid? Southeast Asians are more mixed with Australoid than Indian. The spectrum ranges from East Asian-passing to fully Australoid.

And I think Thais and Filipinos are equal and basically identical.

Indian ancestry in Filipinos is highly underestimated. Based on 23andme, the average Filipino is mixed with a small amount of Indian, just like Thais and Indonesians are. I haven't noticed Filipinos having less Indian than those two groups.

Here's all the Filipinos on 23andme subreddit who posted their photo with their results

1.
https://i.redd.it/4aaynnci42141.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/31jl34h1u9l41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/o1wncnr9ibn41.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/57r6ywchzcm41.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/y7rnekdyewg41.png

6.
https://i.redd.it/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

7.
https://i.redd.it/42e1tvhnlee41.png

8.
https://i.redd.it/3sfvmkk1lmh41.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

10. This one is half Thai
https://i.redd.it/gei93wyoolh41.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/6ov1xoojvva41.png

12.
https://i.redd.it/u8zpoky899641.jpg

13.
https://i.redd.it/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

14.
https://i.imgur.com/OYkYXiS.jpg

15.
https://i.redd.it/7jjgoo2l7xl41.jpg

16.
https://i.redd.it/ukw53jsxtvq21.png

17.
https://i.redd.it/jruyblbxlnd41.jpg

18.
https://i.redd.it/a21jdc18edl41.png

19.
https://i.redd.it/875n04t2qax31.jpg


And here's all the Indonesians
1.
https://i.redd.it/cjvpauh0i0o41.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/lbkaph1ex6i41.png

3.
https://i.redd.it/1mfb1z11vg441.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/el4c4xapvbi11.png


Vietnamese

1.
https://i.redd.it/r5rodam4ogh31.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/igyyay7a0za41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/0or4lxsa8lv31.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/49ts38oiqyu31.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/igdaxye5opv31.png

6.
https://i.imgur.com/jatKPS6.jpg

7.
https://i.imgur.com/4iBQUTk.jpg

8.
https://i.redd.it/jsjocfr5oz731.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/9bfm1uiit4i21.png

10.
https://i.redd.it/hfk823te58841.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/p5p7kqzylmd41.png

Cambodian

1.
https://i.redd.it/6ggpearagq041.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/o5i0pymolpt31.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/vw729qca4i931.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/i6ln0v2i44i31.jpg

5.
https://i.redd.it/io4leu59wp831.jpg

I don't notice a difference between the amount of Indian that Filipinos, Cambodians, and Indonesians get. All generally a low amount, but usually present nonetheless[/QUOTE]

23andme is not a good source for this kind of stuff

[Sora]

Because they have more Indian than Australoid

For example;

Khmer sample from Gedmatch on Harappaworld calculator:

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.21
2 S-Indian 14.15
3 NE-Asian 12.11
4 Baloch 4.65
5 Siberian 3.54
6 Papuan 2.23
7 Beringian 0.39
8 E-African 0.35
9 Mediterranean 0.26
10 Caucasian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 3.19
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 6.59
3 cambodian (hgdp) 9.74
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.93
5 dai (hgdp) 22.13
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 22.87
7 kinh (1000genomes) 24.47
8 lahu (hgdp) 27.1
9 vietnamese (xing) 27.87
10 iban (xing) 27.93
11 samoan (xing) 35.14
12 khasi (chaubey) 36.67
13 tongan (xing) 40.37
14 burmanese (chaubey) 43.55
15 garo (chaubey) 46.63
16 miao (hgdp) 53.72
17 great-andamanese (reich) 53.87
18 onge (reich) 53.96
19 bonda (chaubey) 54.4
20 juang (chaubey) 54.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% cambodian (hgdp) + 12.7% nepalese-c (xing) @ 2.19
2 90.8% thai (xing) + 9.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) @ 2.96
3 96.2% thai (xing) + 3.8% iban (xing) @ 2.99
4 89.7% thai (xing) + 10.3% cambodian (hgdp) @ 3
5 97.6% thai (xing) + 2.4% samoan (xing) @ 3.07
6 98.2% thai (xing) + 1.8% tongan (xing) @ 3.1
7 97.2% thai (xing) + 2.8% dai (hgdp) @ 3.12
8 97.8% thai (xing) + 2.2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 3.14
9 99.8% thai (xing) + 0.2% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.18
10 99.3% thai (xing) + 0.7% kinh (1000genomes) @ 3.18
11 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 3.18
12 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.19
13 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.19
14 100% thai (xing) + 0% papuan (hgdp) @ 3.19
15 99.6% thai (xing) + 0.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) @ 3.19
16 100% thai (xing) + 0% vietnamese (xing) @ 3.19
17 100% thai (xing) + 0% !kung (xing) @ 3.19
18 100% thai (xing) + 0% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.19
19 100% thai (xing) + 0% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.19
20 100% thai (xing) + 0% afar (pagani) @ 3.19

Malay:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.71
2 NE-Asian 15.31
3 S-Indian 11.82
4 Papuan 5.17
5 Siberian 3.01
6 Baloch 2.31
7 Mediterranean 0.6
8 SW-Asian 0.46
9 NE-Euro 0.24
10 American 0.14
11 Beringian 0.13
12 E-African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 5.86
2 thai (xing) 5.96
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.93
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 13.93
5 dai (hgdp) 19.88
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 20.31
7 kinh (1000genomes) 21.22
8 lahu (hgdp) 23.56
9 vietnamese (xing) 24.3
10 iban (xing) 29.91
11 samoan (xing) 32.86
12 khasi (chaubey) 35.89
13 tongan (xing) 37.65
14 burmanese (chaubey) 40.97
15 garo (chaubey) 44.02
16 miao (hgdp) 50.14
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 52.17
18 onge (reich) 53.75
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.94
20 she (hgdp) 54.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 25% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.84
2 94.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 5.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.85
3 96.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 3.8% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.98
4 76.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 23.6% garo (chaubey) @ 3.16
5 95.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 4.9% aus (reich) @ 3.21
6 83.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.24
7 88.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 11.3% tongan (xing) @ 3.39
8 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% nysha (reich) @ 3.75
9 87.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 12.1% samoan (xing) @ 3.77
10 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% tibet (simonson) @ 3.79
11 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% aonaga (reich) @ 3.94
12 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% naga (metspalu) @ 3.98
13 84.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.1% tu (hgdp) @ 4.08
14 69.5% iban (xing) + 30.5% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.11
15 84.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 4.35
16 84% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16% yi (hgdp) @ 4.46
17 87.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.2% japanese (xing) @ 4.55
18 85.9% cambodian (hgdp) + 14.1% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.57
19 86.2% thai (xing) + 13.8% vietnamese (xing) @ 4.57
20 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% melanesian (hgdp) @ 4.59

Sundanese-Indonesian

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 58.05
2 S-Indian 17.03
3 NE-Asian 14.53
4 Baloch 5.03
5 Siberian 1.31
6 American 1.3
7 SW-Asian 1.14
8 E-African 0.91
9 Papuan 0.6
10 Pygmy 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 5.94
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 7.81
3 cambodian (hgdp) 14.94
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 17.49
5 dai (hgdp) 23.89
6 kinh (1000genomes) 24.01
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 24.09
8 lahu (hgdp) 25.71
9 vietnamese (xing) 26.8
10 khasi (chaubey) 31.79
11 iban (xing) 33.26
12 burmanese (chaubey) 39.25
13 samoan (xing) 39.44
14 garo (chaubey) 42.22
15 tongan (xing) 44.08
16 great-andamanese (reich) 49.72
17 onge (reich) 49.94
18 miao (hgdp) 50.75
19 bonda (chaubey) 50.86
20 juang (chaubey) 50.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.82
2 91.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 8.9% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 2.83
3 91% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9% velama (metspalu) @ 3.01
4 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 3.03
5 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 3.04
6 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) @ 3.12
7 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% karnataka (harappa) @ 3.12
8 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 3.14
9 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.15
10 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 3.16
11 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.17
12 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% gujarati (harappa) @ 3.18
13 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 3.18
14 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.19
15 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 3.2
16 90.6% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.4% meghawal (reich) @ 3.2
17 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% dharkar (metspalu) @ 3.21
18 90.6% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.4% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 3.21
19 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% tamil (harappa) @ 3.22
20 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 3.22

Vietnamese

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 SE-Asian 55.88
2 NE-Asian 40.04
3 S-Indian 1.52
4 Beringian 1.48
5 Papuan 0.66
6 NE-Euro 0.19
7 SW-Asian 0.15
8 Mediterranean 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 vietnamese (xing) 3.1
2 lahu (hgdp) 4.51
3 kinh (1000genomes) 7.6
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 15.44
5 dai (hgdp) 18.01
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 25.16
7 miao (hgdp) 26.76
8 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 28.72
9 thai (xing) 29.57
10 she (hgdp) 31.04
11 burmanese (chaubey) 31.11
12 chinese (xing) 31.42
13 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 32.46
14 han (hgdp) 32.89
15 cambodian (hgdp) 33.37
16 garo (chaubey) 33.76
17 chinese-american (hapmap) 36.48
18 singapore-malay (sgvp) 36.49
19 tujia (hgdp) 36.69
20 khasi (chaubey) 40.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.6%vietnamese (xing) + 3.4%japanese (1000genomes) @ 1.44
2 93%vietnamese (xing) + 7%chinese-american (hapmap) @ 1.44
3 92.2%vietnamese (xing) + 7.8%han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 1.45
4 92.3%vietnamese (xing) + 7.7%han (hgdp) @ 1.45
5 94.7%vietnamese (xing) + 5.3%chinese-beijing (hapmap) @ 1.45
6 92%vietnamese (xing) + 8%chinese (xing) @ 1.45
7 94.7%vietnamese (xing) + 5.3%chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 1.45
8 93%vietnamese (xing) + 7%tujia (hgdp) @ 1.45
9 91.3%vietnamese (xing) + 8.7%singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 1.46
10 91.9%vietnamese (xing) + 8.1%she (hgdp) @ 1.46
11 90.7%vietnamese (xing) + 9.3%miao (hgdp) @ 1.47
12 95.3%vietnamese (xing) + 4.7%han-nchina (hgdp) @ 1.49
13 96.1%vietnamese (xing) + 3.9%aonaga (reich) @ 1.49
14 94.8%vietnamese (xing) + 5.2%yi (hgdp) @ 1.5
15 96%vietnamese (xing) + 4%naga (metspalu) @ 1.5
16 94.9%vietnamese (xing) + 5.1%naxi (hgdp) @ 1.51
17 96.1%vietnamese (xing) + 3.9%nysha (reich) @ 1.52
18 91.2%kinh (1000genomes) + 8.8%japanese (1000genomes) @ 1.52
19 83%kinh (1000genomes) + 17%chinese-american (hapmap) @ 1.55
20 83.1%kinh (1000genomes) + 16.9%tujia (hgdp) @ 1.58

[Ingenious]

I think pretty much all SEA have a very low amount of South Asian....because veddoid displaced and mixed the native australoid s of South East Asia. And those veddoids,veddoid-austra hybrids and australoids where eventually displaced or mixed with southern mongoloids.....hence why all SEAsians and even Vietnamese score like 1 or 2% ASI. Which isnt really that much tbh...nothing to get excited over.

I do agree with Sora that khmer may have more ASI on average then other SEA. Also take into account Vietnamese and about 50% of filipinos are mixed with more recent Sinid

[Trouble]

I think pretty much all SEA have a very low amount of South Asian....because veddoid displaced and mixed the native australoid s of South East Asia. And those veddoids,veddoid-austra hybrids and australoids where eventually displaced or mixed with southern mongoloids.....hence why all SEAsians and even Vietnamese score like 1 or 2% ASI. Which isnt really that much tbh...nothing to get excited over.

I do agree with Sora that khmer may have more ASI on average then other SEA. Also take into account Vietnamese and about 50% of filipinos are mixed with more recent Sinid

It is usually more than that.

[Thambi]

.....

[Ingenious]

It is usually more than that.

Depends which SEA group you are talking about

[Ingenious]

Malays who look filipino to me
https://i.imgur.com/Lih2fkv.jpg

Especially the man...he has a common face for middle class filipinos

[Duffmannn]

Southeast asians conform an own race (except for vietnamese), with similarities but different from northeast asians (japanese, koreans, taiwanese, chinese, vietnamese).

[Ingenious]

Southeast asians conform an own race (except for vietnamese), with similarities but different from northeast asians (japanese, koreans, taiwanese, chinese, vietnamese).

Vietnamese are still SEAsian with just more chinese input then other SEA

[Thambi]

East/SE Asian averages from PuntDNAL K13

https://i.imgur.com/a69PgKm.png

[Ingenious]

Any SEA with a significant chinese admixture usually turn out looking vietnamese

[Duffmannn]

Vietnamese are still SEAsian with just more chinese input then other SEA

I´m not expert on asian genetics, but phenotypically, removing the sun tan of a tropical country, they seem to be mostly chinese descendants.

[Ingenious]

East/SE Asian averages from PuntDNAL K13

https://i.imgur.com/a69PgKm.png

This girl Kriesha Tiu is 3/4 Visayan and 1/4 chinese...
Could probably pass in Southern China...could definitely pass in northern vietnam
https://i.imgur.com/U65yOcj.jpg

[Ingenious]

I´m not expert on asian genetics, but phenotypically, removing the sun tan of a tropical country, they seem to be mostly chinese descendants.

All SEA originated from Southern China though. There really is no huge difference apart from Vietnamese having a larger input of neo-chinese

[Thambi]

This girl Kriesha Tiu is 3/4 Visayan and 1/4 chinese...
Could probably pass in Southern China...could definitely pass in northern vietnam


is she atypical among visayans? based on their average, they seem to be more southern shifted than malays

[Ingenious]

is she atypical among visayans? based on their average, they seem to be more southern shifted than malays

She is in the more East Asian shifted spectrum....but its more common to see chinese adnmxed Visayans in the general population especially in Western Visayas and Cebu then in any other parts of the Philippines...with maybe the exception of Northern Luzon..which seems to have a sizable amount of locals with chinese input

[Jana]

East/SE Asian averages from PuntDNAL K13

https://i.imgur.com/a69PgKm.png

Interestingly how Khmers have highest South Asian...and I've been saying my friend's half Sylheti son looks pseudo Cambodian.

[Ingenious]

Here is an example of a Visayan with no chinese ancestry that could pass as Vietnamese...
https://i.imgur.com/AzwF0We.jpg

[Thambi]

Interestingly how Khmers have highest South Asian...and I've been saying my friend's half Sylheti son looks pseudo Cambodian.

Burmese and Thais overall have more cause these two groups get west asian and euro in addition which are also present in south asians. Cambodians only get south asian mostly, which is more related to ancient veddoid like south asians.

I've seen some burmese samples that are almost half south asian. They're more diverse it seems compared to cambodians.

[Trouble]

Interestingly how Khmers have highest South Asian...and I've been saying my friend's half Sylheti son looks pseudo Cambodian.

Its a mix of Onge and Chola.

Haobinhian culture was identical to Andaman islanders.

[Roy]

Its a mix of Onge and Chola.

Haobinhian culture was identical to Andaman islanders.

But there are no actual Negritos left in Cambodia, am I correct?

[Trouble]

But there are no actual Negritos left in Cambodia, am I correct?

There are Orang Asli who show substantial influence, but pure ones no.

[GaneshD'Souza]

There are Orang Asli who show substantial influence, but pure ones no.

Orang Asli are in Malaysia, not Cambodia. There are no Negrito populations in Mainland Southeast Asia except for the Mani tribe in Thailand, almost extinct, and found close to the border with Malaysia. And the Negrito tribes in Peninsular Malaysia. I think the Negritos populations in Mainland SEA were easily absorbed into the general population because it's less mountainous. The Philippines is much more mountainous in comparison, so it was easier for Negritos to survive as relatively distinct populations. There are no Negritos in Indonesia either, only Melanesians/Papuans

[Ingenious]

Doesnt thailand have pure negritos

[GaneshD'Souza]

Doesnt thailand have pure negritos

I just mentioned that. The Mani tribe (300 individuals) near the border of Malaysia. Peninsular Thailand/Malaysia is the only place on Mainland Asia (the entire continent) that has Negritos.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Vietnamese- the least diverse Southeast Asians
https://i.redd.it/6x7jexxah3p41.jpg

[Ingenious]

Vietnamese- the least diverse Southeast Asians
https://i.redd.it/6x7jexxah3p41.jpg

Both of the women in that pic could pass in Philippines....

[GaneshD'Souza]

Both of the women in that pic could pass in Philippines....

yeah easily, but compared to Filipinos' DNA results, she's not very admixed

[Ingenious]

yeah easily, but compared to Filipinos' DNA results, she's not very admixed

Depends on the individual I guess...

[KuakoVoice]

Because they have more Indian than Australoid

For example;

Khmer sample from Gedmatch on Harappaworld calculator:

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.21
2 S-Indian 14.15
3 NE-Asian 12.11
4 Baloch 4.65
5 Siberian 3.54
6 Papuan 2.23
7 Beringian 0.39
8 E-African 0.35
9 Mediterranean 0.26
10 Caucasian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 3.19
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 6.59
3 cambodian (hgdp) 9.74
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.93
5 dai (hgdp) 22.13
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 22.87
7 kinh (1000genomes) 24.47
8 lahu (hgdp) 27.1
9 vietnamese (xing) 27.87
10 iban (xing) 27.93
11 samoan (xing) 35.14
12 khasi (chaubey) 36.67
13 tongan (xing) 40.37
14 burmanese (chaubey) 43.55
15 garo (chaubey) 46.63
16 miao (hgdp) 53.72
17 great-andamanese (reich) 53.87
18 onge (reich) 53.96
19 bonda (chaubey) 54.4
20 juang (chaubey) 54.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% cambodian (hgdp) + 12.7% nepalese-c (xing) @ 2.19
2 90.8% thai (xing) + 9.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) @ 2.96
3 96.2% thai (xing) + 3.8% iban (xing) @ 2.99
4 89.7% thai (xing) + 10.3% cambodian (hgdp) @ 3
5 97.6% thai (xing) + 2.4% samoan (xing) @ 3.07
6 98.2% thai (xing) + 1.8% tongan (xing) @ 3.1
7 97.2% thai (xing) + 2.8% dai (hgdp) @ 3.12
8 97.8% thai (xing) + 2.2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 3.14
9 99.8% thai (xing) + 0.2% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.18
10 99.3% thai (xing) + 0.7% kinh (1000genomes) @ 3.18
11 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 3.18
12 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.19
13 99.9% thai (xing) + 0.1% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.19
14 100% thai (xing) + 0% papuan (hgdp) @ 3.19
15 99.6% thai (xing) + 0.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) @ 3.19
16 100% thai (xing) + 0% vietnamese (xing) @ 3.19
17 100% thai (xing) + 0% !kung (xing) @ 3.19
18 100% thai (xing) + 0% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.19
19 100% thai (xing) + 0% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.19
20 100% thai (xing) + 0% afar (pagani) @ 3.19

Malay:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.71
2 NE-Asian 15.31
3 S-Indian 11.82
4 Papuan 5.17
5 Siberian 3.01
6 Baloch 2.31
7 Mediterranean 0.6
8 SW-Asian 0.46
9 NE-Euro 0.24
10 American 0.14
11 Beringian 0.13
12 E-African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 5.86
2 thai (xing) 5.96
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.93
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 13.93
5 dai (hgdp) 19.88
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 20.31
7 kinh (1000genomes) 21.22
8 lahu (hgdp) 23.56
9 vietnamese (xing) 24.3
10 iban (xing) 29.91
11 samoan (xing) 32.86
12 khasi (chaubey) 35.89
13 tongan (xing) 37.65
14 burmanese (chaubey) 40.97
15 garo (chaubey) 44.02
16 miao (hgdp) 50.14
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 52.17
18 onge (reich) 53.75
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.94
20 she (hgdp) 54.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 25% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.84
2 94.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 5.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.85
3 96.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 3.8% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.98
4 76.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 23.6% garo (chaubey) @ 3.16
5 95.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 4.9% aus (reich) @ 3.21
6 83.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.24
7 88.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 11.3% tongan (xing) @ 3.39
8 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% nysha (reich) @ 3.75
9 87.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 12.1% samoan (xing) @ 3.77
10 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% tibet (simonson) @ 3.79
11 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% aonaga (reich) @ 3.94
12 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% naga (metspalu) @ 3.98
13 84.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.1% tu (hgdp) @ 4.08
14 69.5% iban (xing) + 30.5% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.11
15 84.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 4.35
16 84% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16% yi (hgdp) @ 4.46
17 87.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.2% japanese (xing) @ 4.55
18 85.9% cambodian (hgdp) + 14.1% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.57
19 86.2% thai (xing) + 13.8% vietnamese (xing) @ 4.57
20 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% melanesian (hgdp) @ 4.59

Sundanese-Indonesian

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 58.05
2 S-Indian 17.03
3 NE-Asian 14.53
4 Baloch 5.03
5 Siberian 1.31
6 American 1.3
7 SW-Asian 1.14
8 E-African 0.91
9 Papuan 0.6
10 Pygmy 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 5.94
2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 7.81
3 cambodian (hgdp) 14.94
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 17.49
5 dai (hgdp) 23.89
6 kinh (1000genomes) 24.01
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 24.09
8 lahu (hgdp) 25.71
9 vietnamese (xing) 26.8
10 khasi (chaubey) 31.79
11 iban (xing) 33.26
12 burmanese (chaubey) 39.25
13 samoan (xing) 39.44
14 garo (chaubey) 42.22
15 tongan (xing) 44.08
16 great-andamanese (reich) 49.72
17 onge (reich) 49.94
18 miao (hgdp) 50.75
19 bonda (chaubey) 50.86
20 juang (chaubey) 50.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.82
2 91.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 8.9% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 2.83
3 91% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9% velama (metspalu) @ 3.01
4 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 3.03
5 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 3.04
6 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) @ 3.12
7 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% karnataka (harappa) @ 3.12
8 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 3.14
9 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.15
10 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 3.16
11 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.17
12 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% gujarati (harappa) @ 3.18
13 90.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.1% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 3.18
14 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.19
15 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 3.2
16 90.6% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.4% meghawal (reich) @ 3.2
17 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% dharkar (metspalu) @ 3.21
18 90.6% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.4% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 3.21
19 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% tamil (harappa) @ 3.22
20 90.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.3% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 3.22

Vietnamese

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 SE-Asian 55.88
2 NE-Asian 40.04
3 S-Indian 1.52
4 Beringian 1.48
5 Papuan 0.66
6 NE-Euro 0.19
7 SW-Asian 0.15
8 Mediterranean 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 vietnamese (xing) 3.1
2 lahu (hgdp) 4.51
3 kinh (1000genomes) 7.6
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 15.44
5 dai (hgdp) 18.01
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 25.16
7 miao (hgdp) 26.76
8 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 28.72
9 thai (xing) 29.57
10 she (hgdp) 31.04
11 burmanese (chaubey) 31.11
12 chinese (xing) 31.42
13 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 32.46
14 han (hgdp) 32.89
15 cambodian (hgdp) 33.37
16 garo (chaubey) 33.76
17 chinese-american (hapmap) 36.48
18 singapore-malay (sgvp) 36.49
19 tujia (hgdp) 36.69
20 khasi (chaubey) 40.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.6%vietnamese (xing) + 3.4%japanese (1000genomes) @ 1.44
2 93%vietnamese (xing) + 7%chinese-american (hapmap) @ 1.44
3 92.2%vietnamese (xing) + 7.8%han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 1.45
4 92.3%vietnamese (xing) + 7.7%han (hgdp) @ 1.45
5 94.7%vietnamese (xing) + 5.3%chinese-beijing (hapmap) @ 1.45
6 92%vietnamese (xing) + 8%chinese (xing) @ 1.45
7 94.7%vietnamese (xing) + 5.3%chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 1.45
8 93%vietnamese (xing) + 7%tujia (hgdp) @ 1.45
9 91.3%vietnamese (xing) + 8.7%singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 1.46
10 91.9%vietnamese (xing) + 8.1%she (hgdp) @ 1.46
11 90.7%vietnamese (xing) + 9.3%miao (hgdp) @ 1.47
12 95.3%vietnamese (xing) + 4.7%han-nchina (hgdp) @ 1.49
13 96.1%vietnamese (xing) + 3.9%aonaga (reich) @ 1.49
14 94.8%vietnamese (xing) + 5.2%yi (hgdp) @ 1.5
15 96%vietnamese (xing) + 4%naga (metspalu) @ 1.5
16 94.9%vietnamese (xing) + 5.1%naxi (hgdp) @ 1.51
17 96.1%vietnamese (xing) + 3.9%nysha (reich) @ 1.52
18 91.2%kinh (1000genomes) + 8.8%japanese (1000genomes) @ 1.52
19 83%kinh (1000genomes) + 17%chinese-american (hapmap) @ 1.55
20 83.1%kinh (1000genomes) + 16.9%tujia (hgdp) @ 1.58

Not true for Eastern Indonesia (Maluku,Papua,East Nusa Tengarra) or Timor Leste.

Moluccan DNA test results

https://ibb.co/R6kyYwM
https://ibb.co/0jHhKyD

Here is the DNA result of a East Timorese too

https://ibb.co/qpcsKrT

And some generic graphs of ALL of Indonesia,not just Western Indonesia which is all of you have posted in pictures and DNA results to represent the entire nation.

https://ibb.co/VMmqY6q
https://ibb.co/jkcHF2K

That ignore all of the Melanesian influence in the East,most people of Maluku,Nusa Tengarra,West Papua,and Timor Leste. All of Indonesias true diversity in linguistics and Phenotype are most present in Eastern Indonesia because of this.

[Sora]

Not true for Eastern Indonesia (Maluku,Papua,East Nusa Tengarra) or Timor Leste.

Moluccan DNA test results

https://ibb.co/R6kyYwM
https://ibb.co/0jHhKyD

Here is the DNA result of a East Timorese too

https://ibb.co/qpcsKrT

And some generic graphs of ALL of Indonesia,not just Western Indonesia which is all of you have posted in pictures and DNA results to represent the entire nation.

https://ibb.co/VMmqY6q
https://ibb.co/jkcHF2K

That ignore all of the Melanesian influence in the East,most people of Maluku,Nusa Tengarra,West Papua,and Timor Leste. All of Indonesias true diversity in linguistics and Phenotype are most present in Eastern Indonesia because of this.

Thank you for this information :o

It seems Oceanian ancestry increases as we go further East in Indonesia, whereas Western Indonesian peoples(like Javanese, Sundanese, Achehnese etc.) have no difference than other native SEA people.

[Sora]

This girl Kriesha Tiu is 3/4 Visayan and 1/4 chinese...
Could probably pass in Southern China...could definitely pass in northern vietnam

https://i.imgur.com/U65yOcj.jpg

Interesting! If I didn't know her background, I'd think she's 100% Korean :shocked:

[KuakoVoice]

Thank you for this information :o

It seems Oceanian ancestry increases as we go further East in Indonesia, whereas Western Indonesian peoples(like Javanese, Sundanese, Achehnese etc.) have no difference than other native SEA people.

Indeed.There is even a Zoological term called The Wallace Line which is a Natural phenomena that you see as you go east in Indonesia at a certain point (east of Sulawesi) the Fauna and Flora start to become more Australian than anything else.

https://ibb.co/nBXjvzq

Courtesy of the European Scientist Alfred Wallace,he nick named the BioGeographic region of Eastern Indonesia between the Western Islands and Papua "Wallacea" for its unique and endemic intermix of Asian and Australian species such as the Komodo Dragon."Wallacea"would be East Nusa Tengarra and the Maluku Islands.Another thing many people do not know is that the the Eastern Islands also have species of Marsupials (even flying Kangaroo species) found in the Moluccan Islands as well as Birds of Paradise.Marsupials and Birds of Paradise and other Australasian species are endemic to Maluku,Timor,and West Papua.In fact there is really no large mammals East of the Wallace line but Marsupials.

[KuakoVoice]

Orang Asli are in Malaysia, not Cambodia. There are no Negrito populations in Mainland Southeast Asia except for the Mani tribe in Thailand, almost extinct, and found close to the border with Malaysia. And the Negrito tribes in Peninsular Malaysia. I think the Negritos populations in Mainland SEA were easily absorbed into the general population because it's less mountainous. The Philippines is much more mountainous in comparison, so it was easier for Negritos to survive as relatively distinct populations. There are no Negritos in Indonesia either, only Melanesians/Papuans

Actually there was Homo Floriensis in Flores and other Pygmy like peoples in the region as well like the Tapiro in West Papua.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Filipinos from 23andme's subreddit. I'm assuming their socio-economic level based on phenotype and genotype, but I don't really know what their level is. Unlike in other countries, Filipinos' phenotypes mostly vary by socio-economics, not by North-South or East-West like in Indonesia. And the differences are a lot more subtle- especially if you remove the small minority extremes (like black native Filipinos and white Spanish Filipinos)

These phenotype you find mostly in the poorer / working classes.

1.
https://i.ibb.co/0KbGT5t/57r6ywchzcm41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/g3b3sPr/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/420C7TP/l1im2ogrrjb51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/nCk1QyQ/sfsdg.png

5.
https://i.ibb.co/vLVxLMf/hdkkrj2sgir41.jpg


Middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/Wp42qm7/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

2.
https://i.ibb.co/nbsSG0p/875n04t2qax31.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/vk4273B/4aaynnci42141.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/pj7DVcW/y7rnekdyewg41.png


Upper-middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/ts76b1b/42e1tvhnlee41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/Vm6yKtZ/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/0Fh5R8M/o27kaqpdc9e51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/86w0GD7/06v5gtkgu2f51.png


Upper class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/MSMrYFR/6ov1xoojvva41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/qxS0GJk/k3fb15vrq4t41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/h121XJ6/59qwo4aod0t41.png

4.
https://i.ibb.co/BzknnfK/ql11id0chpu41.jpg

[KuakoVoice]

Filipinos from 23andme's subreddit. I'm assuming their socio-economic level based on phenotype and genotype, but I don't really know what their level is. Unlike in other countries, Filipinos' phenotypes mostly vary by socio-economics, not by North-South or East-West like in Indonesia. And the differences are a lot more subtle- especially if you remove the small minority extremes (like black native Filipinos and white Spanish Filipinos)

These phenotype you find mostly in the poorer / working classes.

1.
https://i.ibb.co/0KbGT5t/57r6ywchzcm41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/g3b3sPr/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/420C7TP/l1im2ogrrjb51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/nCk1QyQ/sfsdg.png

5.
https://i.ibb.co/vLVxLMf/hdkkrj2sgir41.jpg


Middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/Wp42qm7/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

2.
https://i.ibb.co/nbsSG0p/875n04t2qax31.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/vk4273B/4aaynnci42141.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/pj7DVcW/y7rnekdyewg41.png


Upper-middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/ts76b1b/42e1tvhnlee41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/Vm6yKtZ/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/0Fh5R8M/o27kaqpdc9e51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/86w0GD7/06v5gtkgu2f51.png


Upper class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/MSMrYFR/6ov1xoojvva41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/qxS0GJk/k3fb15vrq4t41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/h121XJ6/59qwo4aod0t41.png

4.
https://i.ibb.co/BzknnfK/ql11id0chpu41.jpg

There is a pretty obvious and simple reason why the difference-The Phillipines is much smaller in both span and area than Indonesia.Remember in real life from West to East Indonesia spans over around 5,000 miles.Its wider than both the USA and Canada in sheer span.One big island in Indonesia such as Borneo or New Guinea is probably at least the size of a quarter of the entire land area of the Phillipines.

A real life example to show just how big the largest Indonesian islands are,Sumatra is the size and even a similar shape as California.Borneo is around the size of Texas,and New Guinea at least the size of Alaska.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JbdGVtj4whA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4OblL_vzE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4OblL_vzE&t=1s

[GaneshD'Souza]

Here's another one to add. For some reason, he looks mixed, but his results are just regular Filipino
https://i.ibb.co/TKtJSY1/vkix362blng51.jpg
All over the Philippines you'll see random people like this who look mixed, but they probably have only distant foreign ancestry, because most Filipinos aren't very mixed with non-Asian. Maybe throwback genes are coming through.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

https://i.ibb.co/Vm6yKtZ/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

80% filipina?? i would say not, but so hard to tell with heavy makeup.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

vietnamese to me seem like a very interesting starting point in SE asian phenotypes. in southern vietnam you can see a lot of obvious mixes involving malaysian round/short head shapes, fleshy features and some people with the obvious cambodian square, bony head (hope that description is clear??) as well as the majority having vietnamese features (slightly more restrained southern chinese look)


https://i3.wp.com/vietnaminsider.vn/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/vu-khac-ngoc-1570529700.jpg
basic vietnamese look with slight malaysian fleshiness

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

https://vietcetera.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/The-Bachelor-Vietnam-6.jpg

vietnamese look influenced by chinese ancestry perhaps

[GaneshD'Souza]

vietnamese to me seem like a very interesting starting point in SE asian phenotypes. in southern vietnam you can see a lot of obvious mixes involving malaysian round/short head shapes, fleshy features and some people with the obvious cambodian square, bony head (hope that description is clear??) as well as the majority having vietnamese features (slightly more restrained southern chinese look)


https://i3.wp.com/vietnaminsider.vn/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/vu-khac-ngoc-1570529700.jpg
basic vietnamese look with slight malaysian fleshiness

Vietnamese have the least interesting and diverse phenotypes in Southeast Asia. They basically range from Southern Chinese-looking to half Cambodian-looking. That’s not much of a range


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[Maguzanci]

Vietnamese have the least interesting and diverse phenotypes in Southeast Asia. They basically range from Southern Chinese-looking to half Cambodian-looking. That’s not much of a range


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True. But many can also look fully Indonesian or Pino especially the tanner ones from the South or those mixed with minority blood.

[Maguzanci]

https://i.ibb.co/Vm6yKtZ/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

80% filipina?? i would say not, but so hard to tell with heavy makeup.

A lot of full Pinos can have light skin and look "East Asian"...

[GaneshD'Souza]

True. But many can also look fully Indonesian or Pino especially the tanner ones from the South or those mixed with minority blood.

They can only look like pure Southern Mongoloid Filipinos and Indonesians. They can’t look those with a lot of Australoid admixture.


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[Thambi]

Here's another one to add. For some reason, he looks mixed, but his results are just regular Filipino
https://i.ibb.co/TKtJSY1/vkix362blng51.jpg
All over the Philippines you'll see random people like this who look mixed, but they probably have only distant foreign ancestry, because most Filipinos aren't very mixed with non-Asian. Maybe throwback genes are coming through.

this dude does look western shifted. quite interesting.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Full Filipino who looks Blasian


https://youtu.be/sRmKaO4XZEM

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

A lot of full Pinos can have light skin and look "East Asian"...

i am not an expert on philipino phenotyping and so on, but this exemplifies the problem i have with these DNA test things. chinese have been there for a LONG time, and philipinos have likely traveled to live in china, so when they try to separate these "pure" groups and say "this person has 79.,1% filipino ancestry" well.. yeah... ok. i find it slightly hard to buy. im sure she has some but who knows what precentage. seriously look at that facial structure. that is completely continental asian from southern china UP.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

Full Filipino who looks Blasian


https://youtu.be/sRmKaO4XZEM

makeup, purposeful styling can obscure what he would look like naturally. how does he look "blasian" to you? i see that austronesian look of taiwanese/philipines natives covered by heavy tan (perhaps intentional to make himself look black?) styling but i can even hear his asian voicebox. i mean watch the video and pause it at frames and really look. you are saying he is "blasian" because he has heavily tanned himself, maybe even applied makeup. you are looking at colour, not bone structure , facial structure.

[GaneshD'Souza]

makeup, purposeful styling can obscure what he would look like naturally. how does he look "blasian" to you? i see that austronesian look of taiwanese/philipines natives covered by heavy tan (perhaps intentional to make himself look black?) styling but i can even hear his asian voicebox. i mean watch the video and pause it at frames and really look. you are saying he is "blasian" because he has heavily tanned himself, maybe even applied makeup. you are looking at colour, not bone structure , facial structure.

Plenty of people in the comments are saying he looks Blasian and looks like Pharrell Williams or Tyga (both Blasians). He looks like if you mixed an East Asian and black. He doesnt look like Southeast Asian Blasian though


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[guyinsf]

Malay/Indonesian peoples:

https://previews.123rf.com/images/yuliang11/yuliang111401/yuliang11140100033/24944265-malay-family-having-fun-in-the-park-malaysian-people.jpg

https://sarawaktourism.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/index.proxy-2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Malay_couple.jpg/1200px-Malay_couple.jpg

https://www.ourworldtowander.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Irma-with-her-friends-1024x699.jpg

https://www.aworldtotravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/130743908192-met-so-many-cool-guys-at-prambanan-temple-this-e1448917916268-1050x721.jpg

https://authentic-indonesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/family-come-first-in-indonesia-culture.jpg

Thai/Cambodian peoples:

https://g3.dcdn.lt/images/pix/880x550/p28RPdw-eKE/reflexpoint-therapists-in-vilnius-77147319.jpg

https://static.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20180408/c1_1442834_180408144458.jpg

https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/S__68108290.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BR6B9J/cambodian-people-cambodia-BR6B9J.jpg

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fc7298922-8058-11e8-af48-190d103e32a4?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700

Vietnamese people:

https://vietnamtimes.org.vn/stores/news_dataimages/vietnamfriendshipcomvn/052019/13/07/new-association-formed-to-help-vietnamese-people-come-and-stay-on-pei-14-.9976.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/eKGtJvhI6W1sCs43vzU0NKTN277bYeiMZhmjnKWjZ-CeoAukJQ-_qTwphjCl5yDTvtKGDWUEdjrpfrwNNc9soYc_klKWWMTxKyGvn vsoSRHpWcv80JNOhMDkgm5oZfqKRvg5Ry87Qotp6CfMvhY

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/RYJYWD/three-vietnamese-girls-vung-tau-vietnam-RYJYWD.jpg

https://st3.depositphotos.com/1643295/18326/i/1600/depositphotos_183263090-stock-photo-happy-vietnamese-young-people-taking.jpg

Filipino people:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XFESupblyKU/TbovaWy6uAI/AAAAAAAAAEI/HFSzaUCDT98/s1600/pd2362625.jpg

https://www.vaticannews.va/content/dam/vaticannews/agenzie/images/srv/2019/12/15/2019-12-15-santa-messa-per-la-comunita--filippina/1576424670137.JPG/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.cropped.750.422.jpeg

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/filipino-group-people-holding-philippines-260nw-1399297271.jpg

https://www.gethealthysmc.org/sites/main/files/imagecache/medium/filipino_extended_family2.jpg?1559231710

From most Mongoloid-looking to Indian-looking: Vietnamese>Filipino>Cambodian/Thai>Malay/Indonesian


Thai and Laos people look more mongloid than filipinos IMO.

[Ingenious]

Filipinos from 23andme's subreddit. I'm assuming their socio-economic level based on phenotype and genotype, but I don't really know what their level is. Unlike in other countries, Filipinos' phenotypes mostly vary by socio-economics, not by North-South or East-West like in Indonesia. And the differences are a lot more subtle- especially if you remove the small minority extremes (like black native Filipinos and white Spanish Filipinos)

These phenotype you find mostly in the poorer / working classes.

1.
https://i.ibb.co/0KbGT5t/57r6ywchzcm41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/g3b3sPr/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/420C7TP/l1im2ogrrjb51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/nCk1QyQ/sfsdg.png

5.
https://i.ibb.co/vLVxLMf/hdkkrj2sgir41.jpg


Middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/Wp42qm7/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

2.
https://i.ibb.co/nbsSG0p/875n04t2qax31.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/vk4273B/4aaynnci42141.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/pj7DVcW/y7rnekdyewg41.png


Upper-middle class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/ts76b1b/42e1tvhnlee41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/Vm6yKtZ/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/0Fh5R8M/o27kaqpdc9e51.jpg

4.
https://i.ibb.co/86w0GD7/06v5gtkgu2f51.png


Upper class phenotypes

1.
https://i.ibb.co/MSMrYFR/6ov1xoojvva41.png

2.
https://i.ibb.co/qxS0GJk/k3fb15vrq4t41.jpg

3.
https://i.ibb.co/h121XJ6/59qwo4aod0t41.png

4.
https://i.ibb.co/BzknnfK/ql11id0chpu41.jpg

the only western visayan in that group is the only one who could pass as pan Seasian

[KuakoVoice]

All Moluccans from far Eastern Indonesia

https://ibb.co/mbHGhVn
https://ibb.co/9WBScPQ
https://ibb.co/RbTv7WF
https://ibb.co/vzzc8Y1
https://ibb.co/NrqbSx3
https://ibb.co/bHCxWMN
https://ibb.co/ykdDvnP
https://ibb.co/TBvnHJN
https://ibb.co/7WzkGBL