Pashto-Kurdish similarities

[Zoro]

It's kind of amazing that Kurdish and Pashto have so much similarities. Sometimes even the verbs are similar. There is still no solid explanation as to why these 2 languages have so many similarities to the exclusion of Persian. I mean they are sort of geographically seperated by Persian speakers.

I think there is no other explanation that somehow these 2 populations are very connected in the past. Here are some sentences/words. I'll be adding to this later. Feel free to comment.


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PASHTO
KURDISH
PERSIAN
ENGLISH


Mach ye krri
Mach e krr
Mach kardam
kissed him/her


Jorr karr
Che kar
Sakht
to make


Tizhe wum
Tihne bum
Teshneh budam
was thirsty


Sharam wuka
Sharam pka
Sharam kon
Do shame


Ta chish kai
Ta chi tkai
Che kar mikoni
What are you doing


Na shum
Na shem
Ne mitonam
I can’t


Speen
Spee
Sephid
White


Soor
Soor
Qirmiz
Red


Sheen
Sheen
Aabi
Blue


Zher
Zer
Zard
Yellow


Pishi
Pishik
Gorbeh
Cat


Muzhak
Mishk

Mouse


Spay
Say
Sag
Dog


Maahi
Maasi
Maahi
Fish


Megi
Meri
Moorcheh
Ant


Khar
Kar
Khar
Donkey


Daase ma ka
Hoosa na ka
intori nakon
Don’t do like this


Ilaaj na wu
Ilaaj na bu
Darmani nabood
There was no cure


Tyara
Taari
Tar/Taarik
Dark


Pshe
Pe
Pa
Foot


Zhwand
Zhian
Zendegih
Life


wum
bum
Budam
was (1st person)


wu
bu
Bud
was (3rd person)


Zargar
Zerenger
Talasaz
Goldsmith


Pa khudai drogh da
P Khudai drow a
Be Khoda droghe
I swear it’s a lie


ma ka
na ka
Na kon
Don’t do


Khoor
Khishk
Khahar
Sister


Khanda
Kehni
Khande
Laughter


Chinaar
Chinaar
Cinubar
A poplar like tree


Gooni
Gooni
Gooni
Sack


Khuram
Khom
Bokhoram
Eat (1st person)


Bawar
Bawar
Bavar
Belief


Hegai
Hek
Tokhm
Egg


Spak
Sivik
Sabak
Light (weight)

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[Zoro]

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PASHTO
KURDISH
PERSIAN
ENGLISH


Mach ye krri
Mach e krr
Mach kardam
kissed him/her


Jorr karr
Che kar
Sakht
to make


Tizhe wum
Tihne bum
Teshneh budam
was thirsty


Sharam wuka
Sharam pka
Sharam kon
Do shame


Ta chish kai
Ta chi tkai
Che kar mikoni
What are you doing


Na shum
Na shem
Ne mitonam
I can’t


Speen
Spee
Sephid
White


Soor
Soor
Qirmiz
Red


Sheen
Sheen
Aabi
Blue


Zher
Zer
Zard
Yellow


Pishi
Pishik
Gorbeh
Cat


Muzhak
Mishk

Mouse


Spay
Say
Sag
Dog


Maahi
Maasi
Maahi
Fish


Megi
Meri
Moorcheh
Ant


Khar
Kar
Khar
Donkey


Daase ma ka
Hoosa na ka
intori nakon
Don’t do like this


Ilaaj na wu
Ilaaj na bu
Darmani nabood
There was no cure


Tyara
Taari
Tar/Taarik
Dark


Pshe
Pe
Pa
Foot


Zhwand
Zhian
Zendegih
Life


wum
bum
Budam
was (1st person)


wu
bu
Bud
was (3rd person)


Zargar
Zerenger
Talasaz
Goldsmith


Pa khudai drogh da
P Khudai drow a
Be Khoda droghe
I swear it’s a lie


ma ka
na ka
Na kon
Don’t do


Khoor
Khishk
Khahar
Sister


Khanda
Kehni
Khande
Laughter


Chinaar
Chinaar
Cinubar
A poplar like tree


Gooni
Gooni
Gooni
Sack


Khuram
Khom
Bokhoram
Eat (1st person)


Bawar
Bawar
Bavar
Belief


Hegai
Hek
Tokhm
Egg


Spak
Sivik
Sabak
Light (weight)


Baraan
Baraan
Baraan
Rain


Merra
Merr
Shohar
Husband


Runna
Ronahi
seik
Light


Jinay
Zhin
Zhin
woman


Kochi
Kochar

Nomad


Mach
Mesh

Fly


Mashar
Maaster
Masan tar
Older


Psa
Paz
Gozfand
Sheep


Ghwaayi
Gaayi
Gaao
Cow


Jaada
Jaada

Street


killi
Killilk
Killid
key


rishtya da
raast a
drust ast
It’s true


Pa Khair
P khair

Used to welcome someone


zhazhgay
zhizhi
Khaarpasht
hedgehog


dewaal
deewaar
deewaar
wall


Utu
Uti

Iron


Or
Aagr
Aaatash
Fire


Har wraz
Har roz
Har roz
Every day


Za dzam
Az tcham
Man mirom
I go

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[Sora]

Nice! What beautiful languages :o I wish Turkey recognized Kurdish and other minority languages as officially "minority languages" and open schools in those languages in provinces where those languages are frequently spoken. So people wouldn't be assimilated there wouldn't be any minority problems in Turkey.

*NOTE: I'm not supporting seperation! I'm just supporting the freedom of using minority languages and cultures. Also I don't want those languages to die! Please don't take it as "separatism"! Thank you...

[Avicenna]

Very cool !!

[Zoro]

Nice! What beautiful languages :o I wish Turkey recognized Kurdish and other minority languages as officially "minority languages" and open schools in those languages in provinces where those languages are frequently spoken. So people wouldn't be assimilated there wouldn't be any minority problems in Turkey.

*NOTE: I'm not supporting seperation! I'm just supporting the freedom of using minority languages and cultures. Also I don't want those languages to die! Please don't take it as "separatism"! Thank you...

Indeed. Diversity in languages, cultures and even phenotypes makes for a more interesting world. Sadly it looks like diversity in all those areas will decline with time.

[Sora]

Indeed. Diversity in languages, cultures and even phenotypes makes for a more interesting world. Sadly it looks like diversity in all those areas will decline with time.


I agree. Turkish goverment must do something to stop declining of those beautiful languages and cultures. But unfortunately we have many brainless so called "Turks" here. They call speaking different languages other than Turkish as "separatism". What does that have to do with separatism? Even there was a language census at 60s' Turkey. Unfortunately the grandchildren of people with that mindset lived at 80s' pro-coup Turkey still lives here... and this pro-coup mindset says there's no such a thing as Kurdish. So cringe!

Also 75% of my close friends are Kurdish but none of them knows Kurdish or know a bit. If I was the president of Turkey, I'd open schools in minority languages in where the minority languages are spoken frequently (such as Kurdish schools in Diyarbakır or Laz schools in Rize) and also a "protecting Turkey's languages & cultures ministry", but such things are impossible...

[Arap Cumali]

Kuzi Keri, Kuzi Ciya tenim, Kuna Bave Tennim. :D :D :D
Marda Tonni Tefankardo Ixserri Hirrime :D :D :D
I have zaza&Kurdish friends in Adana

its all i know

[Kyp]

A lot of these words are the same in Persian so I don't get your point

[Zoro]

A lot of these words are the same in Persian so I don't get your point

About 20-30% of the nouns i wrote are as close to pashto in persian also, but i’m talking about the 70-80% kurdish words and verbs i wrote that are much closer pashto-kurdish than pashto-persian

[Zoro]

Kuzi Keri, Kuzi Ciya tenim, Kuna Bave Tennim. :D :D :D
Marda Tonni Tefankardo Ixserri Hirrime :D :D :D
I have zaza&Kurdish friends in Adana

its all i know

Lol only a couple of vulgar words in your 1st sentence are in our iraqi Kurmanji. The rest I don’t understand

[Arap Cumali]

Lol only a couple of vulgar words in your 1st sentence are in our iraqi Kurmanji. The rest I don’t understand

I dont know well, but There is different Kurds in turkey and Iraq. maybe these Words zaza. My friend from Elazig Palu he is zaza, but he lives in Adana. i heard these words from him

[Halgurd]

Lol only a couple of vulgar words in your 1st sentence are in our iraqi Kurmanji. The rest I don’t understand

bira what is Iraqi kurmanji please?

[Halgurd]

I dont know well, but There is different Kurds in turkey and Iraq. maybe these Words zaza. My friend from Elazig Palu he is zaza, but he lives in Adana. i heard these words from him

the first line is standard kurmanji
the second one i dont understand so i think it must be zaza

[Zoro]

bira what is Iraqi kurmanji please?

I meant to distinguish our Kurmanji from that spoken in turkey

[Zoro]

I dont know well, but There is different Kurds in turkey and Iraq. maybe these Words zaza. My friend from Elazig Palu he is zaza, but he lives in Adana. i heard these words from him



Could be. Also I don’t understand many of the words spoken by kurmanjis from turkey. It’s interesting that i can understand about 70-80% of turkey kurmanjis and also kurds from khorasan iran

[Arap Cumali]

Hey, Can Anyone Sends Iranian-Jew Dna Results?

[Halgurd]

I meant to distinguish our Kurmanji from that spoken in turkey

Behdini is spoken in areas of Hakkari, Van, Sirnex and Wirme.

Also I wonder where did you learn Pashto?

[Zoro]

I agree. Turkish goverment must do something to stop declining of those beautiful languages and cultures. But unfortunately we have many brainless so called "Turks" here. They call speaking different languages other than Turkish as "separatism". What does that have to do with separatism? Even there was a language census at 60s' Turkey. Unfortunately the grandchildren of people with that mindset lived at 80s' pro-coup Turkey still lives here... and this pro-coup mindset says there's no such a thing as Kurdish. So cringe!

Also 75% of my close friends are Kurdish but none of them knows Kurdish or know a bit. If I was the president of Turkey, I'd open schools in minority languages in where the minority languages are spoken frequently (such as Kurdish schools in Diyarbakır or Laz schools in Rize) and also a "protecting Turkey's languages & cultures ministry", but such things are impossible...

Would have been nice if more turks think like you. Seperatism idea is probably why they call kurds mountain turks in turkey. No matter what happens to kurdish in turkey its not going anywhere in iraq or iran in the near future

[Halgurd]

Would have been nice if more turks think like you. Seperatism idea is probably why they call kurds mountain turks in turkey. No matter what happens to kurdish in turkey its not going anywhere in iraq or iran in the near future

Iraqi PM just announced the removal of Kurdish language from official documents. It's another attack on our language.

[Zoro]

Behdini is spoken in areas of Hakkari, Van, Sirnex and Wirme.

Also I wonder where did you learn Pashto?

Ok i’ll try to listen to behdini from those areas and see if i can understand more than 80%.

It’s a long story bira

[Zoro]

Iraqi PM just announced the removal of Kurdish language from official documents. It's another attack on our language.

What an idiot. No Baghdad government official can get rid Kurdish no matter what they do

[Halgurd]

What an idiot. No Baghdad government official can get rid Kurdish no matter what they do
They're proving time and time again that the only solution for us is a separate state. That way we can fully protect our language and our culture.

But honestly it looks like Iraq, Iran and Turkey are planning to destroy the autonomy that we currently have. All the recent attacks which show Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian cooperation comes after unity talks between Kurdish parties. They want us to stay divided.

[Dr_Maul]

Weird how those phrases are almost mutually intelligible in Persian but the language itself isn't, it has to be a grammar thing I guess

[Zoro]

They're proving time and time again that the only solution for us is a separate state. That way we can fully protect our language and our culture.

But honestly it looks like Iraq, Iran and Turkey are planning to destroy the autonomy that we currently have. All the recent attacks which show Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian cooperation comes after unity talks between Kurdish parties. They want us to stay divided.

Trying to remove kurdish from official documents is one thing but if they’re smart which i think they are they’ll never do actual war with kurds because they know based on our history it’s not a war they can win or is in their best interest . Even saddam with all him money and military and cruel tactics couldn’t get rid of kurds or kurdish so you really think these guys can?

[Zoro]

Weird how those phrases are almost mutually intelligible in Persian but the language itself isn't, it has to be a grammar thing I guess

Well only about 30% of the kurdish words i wrote are same in farsi, some may be similar but they’re not the same. Of course there’s a ton of other words which I didn’t write which are same farsi-kurdish that’s why it’s easy for kurds to pick up farsi. Even alot of kurds in iraq can speak farsi. I think the pronunciation is different alot of times. Dari and kurdish generally is spoken faster than farsi. Do you actually speak farsi?

Even without being in iran i can understand 50% farsi based on knowing kurdish

[Dr_Maul]

Well only about 30% of the kurdish words i wrote are same in farsi, some may be similar but they’re not the same. Of course there’s a ton of other words which I didn’t write which are same farsi-kurdish that’s why it’s easy for kurds to pick up farsi. Even alot of kurds in iraq can speak farsi. I think the pronunciation is different alot of times. Dari and kurdish generally is spoken faster than farsi. Do you actually speak farsi?

Even without being in iran i can understand 50% farsi based on knowing kurdish

Yes, I am relatively fluent. And while like you said many of them are not the same, many are very similar, up to about one letter or syllable at the end/beginning

[Zoro]

Yes, I am relatively fluent. And while like you said many of them are not the same, many are very similar, up to about one letter or syllable at the end/beginning
If you’re up to it it’s probably a good idea if you can copy the words and sentences i wrote into a table and add a column for farsi

[Dr_Maul]

If you’re up to it it’s probably a good idea if you can copy the words and sentences i wrote into a table and add a column for farsi

Sure, ill PM you

[Zoro]

I added a column with persian words to my opening post courtesy Dr Maul

[Zoro]

I added more and combined into 1 table. Maybe someone can fill in the blanks for the missing persian ones.


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PASHTO
KURDISH
PERSIAN
ENGLISH


Mach ye krri
Mach e krr
Mach kardam
kissed him/her


Jorr karr
Che kar
Sakht
to make


Tizhe wum
Tihne bum
Teshneh budam
was thirsty


Sharam wuka
Sharam pka
Sharam kon
Do shame


Ta chish kai
Ta chi tkai
Che kar mikoni
What are you doing


Na shum
Na shem
Ne mitonam
I can’t


Speen
Spee
Sephid
White


Soor
Soor
Qirmiz
Red


Sheen
Sheen
Aabi
Blue


Zher
Zer
Zard
Yellow


Pishi
Pishik
Gorbeh
Cat


Muzhak
Mishk

Mouse


Spay
Say
Sag
Dog


Maahi
Maasi
Maahi
Fish


Megi
Meri
Moorcheh
Ant


Khar
Kar
Khar
Donkey


Daase ma ka
Hoosa na ka
intori nakon
Don’t do like this


Ilaaj na wu
Ilaaj na bu
Darmani nabood
There was no cure


Tyara
Taari
Tar/Taarik
Dark


Pshe
Pe
Pa
Foot


Zhwand
Zhian
Zendegih
Life


wum
bum
Budam
was (1st person)


wu
bu
Bud
was (3rd person)


Zargar
Zerenger
Talasaz
Goldsmith


Pa khudai drogh da
P Khudai drow a
Be Khoda droghe
I swear it’s a lie


ma ka
na ka
Na kon
Don’t do


Khoor
Khishk
Khahar
Sister


Khanda
Kehni
Khande
Laughter


Chinaar
Chinaar
Cinubar
A poplar like tree


Gooni
Gooni
Gooni
Sack


Khuram
Khom
Bokhoram
Eat (1st person)


Bawar
Bawar
Bavar
Belief


Hegai
Hek
Tokhm
Egg


Spak
Sivik
Sabak
Light (weight)


Baraan
Baraan
Baraan
Rain


Merra
Merr
Shohar
Husband


Runna
Ronahi
seik
Light


Jinay
Zhin
Zhin
woman


Kochi
Kochar

Nomad


Mach
Mesh

Fly


Mashar
Maaster
Masan tar
Older


Psa
Paz
Gozfand
Sheep


Ghwaayi
Gaayi
Gaao
Cow


Jaada
Jaada

Street


killi
Killilk
Killid
key


rishtya da
raast a
drust ast
It’s true


Pa Khair
P khair

Used to welcome someone


zhazhgay
zhizhi
Khaarpasht
hedgehog


dewaal
deewaar
deewaar
wall


Utu
Uti

Iron


Or
Aagr
Aaatash
Fire


Har wraz
Har roz
Har roz
Every day


Za dzam
Az tcham
Man mirom
I go

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[Zoro]

Dr Maul advised that mouse is moosh in persian

[Zoro]

Table updated with missing persian words courtesy Dr Maul


<colgroup width="194"></colgroup> <colgroup width="141"></colgroup> <colgroup width="134"></colgroup> <colgroup width="187"></colgroup> <tbody>
PASHTO
KURDISH
PERSIAN
ENGLISH


Mach ye krri
Mach e krr
Mach kardam
kissed him/her


Jorr karr
Che kar
Sakht
to make


Tizhe wum
Tihne bum
Teshneh budam
was thirsty


Sharam wuka
Sharam pka
Sharam kon
Do shame


Ta chish kai
Ta chi tkai
Che kar mikoni
What are you doing


Na shum
Na shem
Ne mitonam
I can’t


Speen
Spee
Sephid
White


Soor
Soor
Qirmiz
Red


Sheen
Sheen
Aabi
Blue


Zher
Zer
Zard
Yellow


Pishi
Pishik
Gorbeh
Cat


Muzhak
Mishk
Moosh
Mouse


Spay
Say
Sag
Dog


Maahi
Maasi
Maahi
Fish


Megi
Meri
Moorcheh
Ant


Khar
Kar
Khar
Donkey


Daase ma ka
Hoosa na ka
intori nakon
Don’t do like this


Ilaaj na wu
Ilaaj na bu
Darmani nabood
There was no cure


Tyara
Taari
Tar/Taarik
Dark


Pshe
Pe
Pa
Foot


Zhwand
Zhian
Zendegih
Life


wum
bum
Budam
was (1st person)


wu
bu
Bud
was (3rd person)


Zargar
Zerenger
Talasaz
Goldsmith


Pa khudai drwagh da
P Khudai draw a
Be Khoda droghe
I swear it’s a lie


ma ka
na ka
Na kon
Don’t do


Khoor
Khishk
Khahar
Sister


Khanda
Kehni
Khande
Laughter


Chinaar
Chinaar
Cinubar
A poplar like tree


Gooni
Gooni
Gooni
Sack


Khuram
Khom
Bokhoram
Eat (1st person)


Bawar
Bawar
Bavar
Belief


Hegai
Hek
Tokhm
Egg


Spak
Sivik
Sabak
Light (weight)


Baraan
Baraan
Baraan
Rain


Merra
Merr
Shohar
Husband


Runna
Ronahi
seik
Light


Jinay
Zhin
Zhin
woman


Kochi
Kochar

Nomad


Mach
Mesh
Magas
Fly


Mashar
Maaster
Masan tar
Older


Psa
Paz
Gozfand
Sheep


Ghwaayi
Gaayi
Gaao
Cow


Jaada
Jaada

Road


killi
Killilk
Killid
key


rishtya da
raast a
drust ast
It’s true


Pa Khair
P khair

Used to welcome someone


zhazhgay
zhizhi
Khaarpasht
hedgehog


dewaal
deewaar
deewaar
wall


Ospina
Aasin
Aahan
Iron (metal)


Utu
Uti

Iron for clothes


Or
Aagr
Aaatash
Fire


Har wraz
Har roz
Har roz
Every day


Za dzam
Az tcham
Man mirom
I go

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