Classify Ante Gotovina

[Mortimer]

https://media.diepresse.com/images/uploads/1/f/b/369147/gotovina_ap_Ed_Oudenaarden20080311184051.jpg

https://gdb.voanews.com/A770BA22-4F56-4320-9244-96D92075EEC4_w1023_r1_s.jpg

[Mortimer]

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[Terminator98]

Dinarid+CM.

[PaleoEuropean]

Dinarcized western-alpine. Dude has a pretty weak chin for a real dinarid.

[pulstar]

Dinarcized western-alpine. Dude has a pretty weak chin for a real dinarid.

I'm curious what the real dinarid would look like? Charles II of Spain?

[TheMaestro]

Legend, it's funny because I see him passing among Slovaks and Albanians.

[Jana]

Dinarcized western-alpine. Dude has a pretty weak chin for a real dinarid.

Strong chin is a CM, not dinaric trait. Pure dinarids have narrow jaw and small receding chin (not as much as armenoids though) thus giving impression of triangular face.

[Serbian Eagle]

Dinarid+CM.

He has a Armenoid influence. Fleshy nose with clear Armenoid characteristics.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02400/Gotovina_2400907b.jpg

Example of Dinarid Croat from Herzegovina, this is real Dinarid nose.

http://cdn-static.rtl-hrvatska.hr/image/2bc2afb2c5bcdca9b288ce690e66ab33_view_article.jpg? v=19


This nose have nothing to do with Dinarid.

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/ec/7c/376b54efd70b5eb9ba73.png

[Jana]

He is Gorid with minor dinaro-borreby. Very typical.

[Jana]

He has a Armenoid influence. Fleshy nose with clear Armenoid characteristics.

Absolutely not. This is an armenoid nose and it doesn't exist in Europeans without recent Jewish or MENA input. Don't spread nonsense here thanks.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n6FSj29_rdc/maxresdefault.jpg

[Serbian Eagle]

Absolutely not. This as armenoid nose and it doesn't exist in Europeans without recent Jewish or MENA input. Don't spread nonsense here thanks.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n6FSj29_rdc/maxresdefault.jpg


No, you posted textbook Armenoid nose and i didn't say nowhere that Gotovina is textbook Armenoid. Im not interested in his personality, nor in his deeds. I look at him from anthropological perspective.

Michael Imperioli -> Med+Armenoid with Dinarization, does his nose reminds you on textbook Armenoid nose? To me no, so If we are going to determine taxonomy lets be precise.

https://allthingsthriller.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/christopher-1-e1556417380753.jpg?w=1040

[Serbian Eagle]

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[Varda]

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Another Croatian of Serbian origin.

[Jana]

Another Croatian of Serbian origin.

Your obsession deserves a clinical study. He has absolutely no relations with Serbs in any shape in form except crushing Krajina terrorists like dogs.

[Jana]

No, you posted textbook Armenoid nose and i didn't say nowhere that Gotovina is textbook Armenoid. Im not interested in his personality, nor in his deeds. I look at him from anthropological perspective.

Gotovina is 0% Armenoid, you wish he was because he humiliated Servs as losers you are.

[Varda]

Your obsession deserves a clinical study. He has absolutely no relations with Serbs in any shape in form except crushing Krajina terrorists like dogs.

Ante Gotovina can't hide his recent Serbian origin https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/gotovina/#comment-124053
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/358-50631c089a.png

[Jana]

He is Dalmatian not Herzegovian and Gotovina is pure Croatian surname. He looks 0% Serb as well.
Only Serbs who can carry such surname are Orthodox converts in former Catholic Lands.


In Croatia, Gotovina families are almost entirely Croats (from the Island of Pasman ), very rarely Serbs.

One subhuman convert into Orthodoxy doesn't make family Serbs. You behave like identity-less Gypsoid.

[Serbian Eagle]

Gotovina is 0% Armenoid, you wish he was because he humiliated Servs as losers you are.

Im have to disappoint you, but i didnt come here to argue with your useless trolling, but to do what i know best and what this thread is for and that is Anthropology. Follow the rules, write nicely or get lost from this thread.

And about Gotovina. Here you can clearly see the Armenoid influence, mild but visible ..

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/ec/7c/376b54efd70b5eb9ba73.png

[Jana]

Im have to disappoint you, but i didnt come here to argue with your useless trolling, but to do what i know best and what this thread is for and that is Anthropology. Follow the rules, write nicely or get lost from this thread.

Get lost from Croatian treads retard. His nose is completely straight big dinaric nose and his armenoid influence is zero. Now bugger off Serv.

https://mok.hr/media/k2/galleries/11516/ante_gotovina_f__.jpg
https://mok.hr/media/k2/galleries/11516/ante_gotovina_a__2.jpg
https://static.jutarnji.hr/images/live-multimedia/binary/2016/5/20/14/gotovina-desk-130499.jpg

[Varda]

He is Dalmatian not Herzegovian and Gotovina is pure Croatian surname. He looks 0% Serb as well.
Only Serbs who can carry such surname are Orthodox converts in former Catholic Lands.



One subhuman convert into Orthodoxy doesn't make family Serbs. You behave like identity-less Gypsoid.

I heard his Serbian grandfather (from Opličići, Čapljina) married Catholic woman converted on Catholicism and moved on Pašman with wife.

My former colleague look like twin brother of Ante Gotovina. He is full Serb from Bribir in hinterland of Šibenik/Skradin.

[Serbian Eagle]

Strong chin is a CM, not dinaric trait. Pure dinarids have narrow jaw and small receding chin (not as much as armenoids though) thus giving impression of triangular face.

No, you are wrong again. Dinarid has a "factory-installed" CM component and Bata Živojinović is one of the better examples. These supposedly Gracile "Dinarids" like Ljubiša Samardžić (who has a clear Pontid influence) are actually Dinaro-Pontids and Dinaro-Mediterraneans. Herzegovina, above all Trebinje, is the source of the Dinaric race, and you will rarely see them there without a clear CM component. That theory about "Gracile Dinarids" comes from the South of Serbia and is totally wrong.

In Gotovina's case, he has a weak chin because of Armenoid influence.

[Jana]

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[Jana]

No, you are wrong again. Dinarid has a "factory-installed" CM component and Bata Živojinović is one of the better examples. These supposedly Gracile "Dinarids" like Ljubiša Samardžić (who has a clear Pontid influence) are actually Dinaro-Pontids and Dinaro-Mediterraneans. Herzegovina, above all Trebinje, is the source of the Dinaric race, and you will rarely see them there without a clear CM component. That theory about "Gracile Dinarids" comes from the South of Serbia and is totally wrong.

In Gotovina's case, he has a weak chin because of Armenoid influence.

He doesn't have weak chin imbecile (it's not receding at all, lmao), he just has short chin because of alpinid influence. Ljubiša Samardžić looks like a mixed with Gypo according to my father, non white guy.
Next time find somebody white to present as dinaric.

[Serbian Eagle]

Get lost from Croatian treads retard. His nose is completely straight big dinaric nose and his armenoid influence is zero. Now bugger off Serv.


He doesn't have weak chin imbecile (it's not receding at all, lmao), he just has short chin because he's mainly Gorid. Ljubiša Samardžić looks like a Gypo according to my father, non white guy.
Next time find somebody white to present as dinaric.

First of all, this is not a "Croatian thread" but a Taxonomy thread, and i have not read anywhere that it is forbidden to express my opinion here, although i have heard that fooling and insulting is forbidden, and that is exactly what you are doing. I really dont care what you think about Serbia, as long as i dont have to listen to it. So either behave nicely, or fly out of here. Ljubiša Samardžić is Dinaro-Pontid, typical Serbian look https://imgur.com/a/7MuTbbJ

I really wonder at the moment why are you on this thread at all? You provoke, insult and you actually have no idea about Anthropology. According to your words, Gotovina is a pure Dinaro/Gorid, but Ljubisa is Gypsy..

[Immanenz]

Dinaro- Gorid, looks Croatian

[Varda]

He is Dalmatian not Herzegovian and Gotovina is pure Croatian surname. He looks 0% Serb as well.
Only Serbs who can carry such surname are Orthodox converts in former Catholic Lands.



One subhuman convert into Orthodoxy doesn't make family Serbs. You behave like identity-less Gypsoid.

Even some Croatian nationalists and historians admit presence of Orthodoxes in Čapljina area before Ottomans.

Orthodox Gotovine from Opličići (Čapljina) arrived from Slivlja (Nevesinje) in further past, and their older surname was Hunković. They are probably related with Orthodox Hunkovići from Veličani in western part of Popovo Polje.
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/380-94df190d8d.png


In Čapljina area exist Serbian Orthodox families with continuity since middle age. For example one of them are Dragićevići/Dragičevići from Prebilovci and Klepci who are recorded in that area in 1430s.
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/313-5aaa5517ce.png

[Loki]

Absolutely not. This is an armenoid nose and it doesn't exist in Europeans without recent Jewish or MENA input. Don't spread nonsense here thanks.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n6FSj29_rdc/maxresdefault.jpg

What?! There are many non-Jewish French people who look like that, for example. It's widespread in Europe I am sure. You can even see many historical portraits from Europeans with such a nose. More in the upper and ruling classes, less in peasants I guess - where snub noses are more common.

[Jana]

What?! There are many non-Jewish French people who look like that, for example. It's widespread in Europe I am sure.

Such nose shape is totally non European.

[Loki]

Such nose shape is totally non European.

If that's so, then you are saying many European leaders in history, and many Europeans today are non-European. That is not true. Maybe that nose is not common in Croatia, but it is definitely not uncommon in France, Italy and many other countries.

[Loki]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquiline_nose#/media/File%3AHeydrichmarke.jpg

[Loki]

In racialist discourse, especially that of post-Enlightenment Western scientists and writers, a Roman nose (in an individual or a people) has been characterized as a marker of beauty and nobility,[5] but the notion itself is found early on in Plutarch, in his description of Mark Antony.[6] Among Nazi racialists the "hooked", Jewish nose was a characteristic of Jews. However, Maurice Fishberg in Jews, Race and Environment (1911) cites widely different statistics to deny that the aquiline nose (or "hook nose")[7] is characteristic of Jews, but rather to show that this type of nose occurs in all peoples of the world.[8] The supposed science of physiognomy, popular during the Victorian era, made the "prominent" nose a marker of Aryanness: "the shape of the nose and the cheeks indicated, like the forehead's angle, the subject's social status and level of intelligence. A Roman nose was superior to a snub nose in its suggestion of firmness and power, and heavy jaws revealed a latent sensuality and coarseness".

[Jana]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquiline_nose#/media/File%3AHeydrichmarke.jpg

Doesn't that nazi guy looks Jewish admixed to you? He was probably 1/4 Jewish.

[Jana]

Big nose is common in dinaric alps Slavs no doubt, but not with a bump like that. Roman nose is straight as far as I know, just long. Greek type of nose doesn't have such bump either.

[rothaer]

Gotovina is 0% Armenoid (...).

Fully agreed. His nose is textbook dinarid.

[rothaer]

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[rothaer]

Doesn't that nazi guy looks Jewish admixed to you? He was probably 1/4 Jewish.

Heydrich: No and no.

Interesting anthropology however: Reinhard Heydrich and Karl Hermann Frank:

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[Loki]

Doesn't that nazi guy looks Jewish admixed to you? He was probably 1/4 Jewish.

No he was 100% German. Half Protestant half Catholic.

[Serbian Eagle]

In racialist discourse, especially that of post-Enlightenment Western scientists and writers, a Roman nose (in an individual or a people) has been characterized as a marker of beauty and nobility,[5] but the notion itself is found early on in Plutarch, in his description of Mark Antony.[6] Among Nazi racialists the "hooked", Jewish nose was a characteristic of Jews. However, Maurice Fishberg in Jews, Race and Environment (1911) cites widely different statistics to deny that the aquiline nose (or "hook nose")[7] is characteristic of Jews, but rather to show that this type of nose occurs in all peoples of the world.[8] The supposed science of physiognomy, popular during the Victorian era, made the "prominent" nose a marker of Aryanness: "the shape of the nose and the cheeks indicated, like the forehead's angle, the subject's social status and level of intelligence. A Roman nose was superior to a snub nose in its suggestion of firmness and power, and heavy jaws revealed a latent sensuality and coarseness".

Look at Heydrich's nose as it is sharp forward, it is a Dinaric Eagle nose. The Armeno noses are not sharp forward, and are rather fleshy. Heydrich is on first place Nordid + Faelid + Keltic/Dinaric

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Heydrichmarke.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1969-054-16%2C_Reinhard_Heydrich.jpg

While Gotovina's nose is fleshy, it came from Armenoid influence. He has Dinarization and other White type influences, that's why it additionally hides Armenoid tendency and it's hard for the lay-eye to notice it, i've always been told to be precise when it comes to Classifications, because of such a things.

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/ec/7c/376b54efd70b5eb9ba73.png

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02400/Gotovina_2400907b.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EgWAsF0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TpGi6Ae.jpeg

This is Dinarid Croat, not to turn out to be that i'am subjective.

Dragan Covic ( that Eagle Dinaric nos, forward sharpness)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Dragan_%C4%8Covi%C4%87%2C_portrait_2.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/-dRj6TLNWHtCa8j36JZXTkHvITRi7B5OLHy9NKPSSLf1Qx3P0pR tIuSnk6TS7a01hTj0XbrW-Mpt6uSIKic2eoxOV1oehXnPPksgCro_nxFlfKFLqiAWhn4T2gI UihA


I dont know for what reason, but i studied Armenoid the most, as phenotype. That's why i have that "Armeno-radar". When they mix with the Dinarids, it is harder for the lay-eye to recognize them, but of course you always have to be 100% precise in that. I am not interested in his personality nor in his deeds, i look at him purely from an Anthropological perspective. If the situation is different as this Croatian user say, then i would also write that Ante Pavelic had an Armenoid influence, but he is clear, so there is no logic about that stupid accusation. I just want that when we classify someone, to be max precise and of course separate political and personal things from that.

Take a look at this case, Italian-American actor Federico Casteluccio, this one obviously has an Armenoid influence but is Dinarized, and that is why some members here classified him as Dinaro-Med, instead of Armenoid-Med with Dinarization. That's what I'm trying to prove and write about here. You can also see that his nose is fleshy, not quite like Gotovina's but he is fleshy. I learn from Agrippa about those hided Armenoids, it's a shame he's not here anymore, otherwise i'd love to see how he would classify Gotovina.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWI5YmM5Y2QtNDU2Mi00MjgxLTgzZTEtY2JlMTQyNWE0MT E4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4ODc2MjE@._V1_.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nzLmBQJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GJ3uELn.jpg


If that's so, then you are saying many European leaders in history, and many Europeans today are non-European. That is not true. Maybe that nose is not common in Croatia, but it is definitely not uncommon in France, Italy and many other countries.

This question is also interested to me. No Loki you are wrong. That nose that she posted is textbook Armenoid, and its have nothing to do with French and Roman noses. This is that French nose that you talk about.

Vincent Caseel, my favorite French actor. (His nose is also sharp forward, which comes from Dinarid.)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/a9/30/b8a930cb68c2cc871b35829f8cb9e02a.jpg

https://the-talks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Vincent-Cassel-01.jpg

And also this

Emmanuel Macron ( look at that sharp forward, that is Dinaric eagle nose, Gotovina doesn't have that sharpness, his nose is flashy due to Armenoid influence)

https://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/caesarea/Skull/23039MacronProfile.jpg